Chevron closed its $53 billion deal to buy Hess more than 20 months after the takeover was announced, after winning its arbitration battle with Exxon Mobil. Chevron CEO Mike Wirth discusses the deal and says the resolution is good for the oil industry.
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0:00How do you feel now that the deal is done and what it could mean for shareholders moving forward?
1:28How is that relationship going to be moving forward after this case?
2:44When was the last time you talked to Darren Woods and what can you tell us about the relationship that both of you are building in the results of this JV?
3:56Is this a much easier regulatory environment for you to be operating in right now?
4:48How do you think that this will change the competitive positioning of the industry through the remainder of the year into next year, as many of your rivals, your partners, reconsider what their footprint should look like?
5:56Are there other areas that you're still looking to add on to?
6:50How does that change the calculus for how you want to address the industry?
You must be so relieved. This has been a long path to getting here. Your stock has really felt that time pressure as well. How do you feel now that the deal is done and what it could mean for shareholders moving forward?
Well, we're pleased with the decision that came out of the arbitration panel this morning. We're also pleased with the decision that came out of the FTC yesterday regarding John Hess's eligibility to serve on Chevron's board. And this really helps create a premier international oil and gas company. We are one of the largest producers in the world. We have the highest cash margin in our upstream business of anybody. We're the largest producer of oil and gas in the United States, largest leaseholder in the deepwater Gulf of America, and have industry-leading free cash flow over not just the next couple of years, but out into the next decade now as we combine with Hess. So it's good for us. It's also good for our industry because this was a transaction that kind of, as you say, impacted our investors — the uncertainty hung over the industry a bit because the question about what would it mean for potential future transactions is one that people were paying close attention to. And so I think having that resolved and affirming the industry practice that asset-level rights of first refusal don't apply in a corporate-level M&A transaction is one that's going to be very important for our industry.
One of the other reasons this industry couldn't keep its eyes off this case is because you had two giants, you and Exxon, really battling this out. But it doesn't end there. Chanel and I have been discussing it this morning. Now you have to work with Exxon. You have a JV in Guyana after this. How is that relationship going to be moving forward after this case?
Well, we work with people all around the world. Our industry is built on partnership because the scale of our investments usually requires partners to help share risk. We also pool technical resources in order to develop some of these challenging opportunities. And so partnering is very familiar to us. It's a core value. We take great pride in our ability to be a good partner around the world. We work with Exxon in other places around the world and have for many years, in Guyana in particular. Most of the people that will be involved in this are going to be legacy Hess employees who've got years and years of history working together with Exxon on this project. There are good working relationships at that level, and all three companies have worked together to create the incredible value that is seen in Guyana and the prospects for the future. So I expect that those relationships will continue to be good.
But up to this point, there was a little bit of acrimony here in the pursuit of Hess when it comes to Guyana. When was the last time you talked to Darren Woods and what can you tell us about the relationship that both of you are building in the results of this JV?
Well, you know, we see each other at industry functions and the like. And so we speak from time to time. But there's been a sharp difference of opinion. We believe that the plain reading of this contract, which is a confidential document, was very clearly, as I described earlier, that a right of first refusal would exist if there were a transaction at the asset level, but not at the corporate level. The arbitration panel has affirmed that interpretation. And so we'll move forward from here. But look, it didn't have to take this long. I wish it would have gone differently. We tried early on to find a way to resolve this and thought we were working together in good faith. And then abruptly we're notified that the other parties had decided they want to resolve this through arbitration. At that point, we believed we had the right side of this argument. We had to stand up for that, and that's taken some time.
Well, you mentioned earlier — very recently it was the FTC allowing John Hess onto the board. Is this a much easier regulatory environment for you to be operating in right now?
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