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Mohan Goenka
Vice Chairman & Wholetime Director, Emami Limited

Understanding Emami's Biz On Weekender, CNBC-TV18

🎥 Jun 24, 2017 📺 CNBC-TV18 ⏱ 6m
Manglam Maloo, CNBC-TV18 caught up with Emami's Mohan Goenka, Priti A Sureka & Harsha V Agarwal in City Of Joy Kolkata ...
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Transcript (15 segments)
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Interviewer0:13
Weekender, hello and welcome to a very special episode of the Weekend. We're in the household, the beautiful household in Kolkata of Emami. We have the whole family with us: Mr. Mohan Goenka, Mr. Harsha Agarwal, and Priti Sureka. Thanks a lot for joining in. You know, I've grown up with a lot of the Emami brands, but the one thing that I always wanted to know: what exactly does Emami mean?
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Mohan Goenka0:34
You know, Emami, the word actually has its origin in Italian, all right? So, to speak, and if you see the word 'mami', somewhere it's there's a close philology out there. So the meaning basically resides with love, beautiful, the so-called feminine aspects of life, beautiful there. All right, so let's come back to India after the international conversation that we had.
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Interviewer1:01
A few months ago we had the demonetization, the 'demon' as you would like to call it, or as all the FMCG companies would like to call it. Your third quarter was resilient. People believe that a lot of the effects could be seen in the fourth quarter. Was demonetization just a blip or has the effect come by in the fourth quarter as well?
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Mohan Goenka1:21
I think the impact of demonetization has reduced gradually over months, but if you ask me whether it has totally gone, I would say no. Still, we see some impact of it, particularly in the wholesale trade, where there's still some impact. That accounts for 55% of your business any which way, right? Yeah, and I would say, you know, yes, we are seeing still, you know, the movement in the wholesale trade is still not back to normal. Not back to normal. How long before it goes back to normal? It's very difficult to predict that, you know, but we hope, you know, it should be in the next one or two months. We hope so.
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Interviewer2:07
So, 'Bombs' was a bit of a contention in the previous quarter? In the southern part, K King was a bit of a contention. So have those resumed their growth trajectory? Can we expect positive growth coming in there?
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Mohan Goenka2:17
We've seen a very healthy growth with K King earlier, and right now, okay, we are feeling the pinch out there, but it's just a matter of time and we'll be on a high growth. Yeah, there has been a minor blip, you know, due to the demonetization, but again as I said, you know, we are seeing it going back to normal.
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Interviewer2:36
So in terms of outlook for K King, now you have the coconut oil coming in and the 3-rupee sachets and all of that. What would the target be? 500 crore per year revenue from K King by when?
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Mohan Goenka2:45
500 crores in a matter of 3 years, I would say. Now, in a matter of 3 years, anytime before that not happening. Anytime before that, market conditions, we will be happy if it happens before that.
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Interviewer2:56
So how long before the debt completely wanes off from EGL? We would be retiring this debt by this year end. Be debt free. Yes. Okay. So let's talk about another brand that you amortised last quarter, which was 'She'? In the con call you said that you all are in two minds about it: whether to sell or not, or what the plans are. What exactly is happening there?
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Mohan Goenka3:20
Since then, we had decided now as a company, we still believe, you know, there's a lot of potential in the family and hygiene category, but we have other priorities and we have decided to focus on the other priorities in the existing brands. And right now we have decided to defocus the 'She' brand. So that is where it stands. So we will not be doing investment on that brand, and right now no plan to sell it. No, right now we have taken it off the market, so yes, going forward we will see, you know, what we do with the brand.
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Interviewer3:51
So if you look at Emami, you know, the core business, which is that of your cold oils, you have Zandu, you have now K King coming in along with Boroplus and stuff, over the last 9 months the core business seems to have slowed down. Any particular reason for that in terms of growth rate and all of that?
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Mohan Goenka4:07
No, if you see, we've got very healthy growths with Boroplus. The core businesses, so to speak, of Boroplus has seen a very healthy growth. But Navratna and Fair and Handsome have, I think, Nava is picking up. Nava has done quite well early. It is the impact of demonetization which has been there. And if you see, you know, our market share in all our brands has increased, which is a very important parameter to measure the health of the brands. So be it Navaratna oil, be it Fair and Handsome, be it Zandu Balm, be it Boroplus, everywhere our market share has increased. So basically, see, overall, you know, the whole category of FMCG, the growth rate has come down a bit. So that is what we are seeing across categories, across companies, across brands. But yes, we are quite satisfied with the performance of all our power brands. So, going on a sustainable basis, 15% or 12 to 15% growth for the power brands, is that factored in? Yeah, we are very confident. I think also this year we are going very aggressive in our total advertising and the mix also, so I think we are very, I think 12-15% is a reasonable target. And the new core would be 20% plus, 25% at least, your push as well as the other new brands that you have come out with. Panaris in fact has been over CAGR, it has been giving us a growth rate of 30-35%. Exactly, so yes, going forward also we expect healthy growth rate from Punar and the other healthcare products. There's no doubt about that because we see huge potential in the health products, the overall Zandu brand. Absolutely, in fact, you will be seeing a lot of activities around Zandu this year. We are going ahead with revamping the whole brand with the repositioning of the mother brand of Zandu. So those will happen in the second part of the financial year.
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Interviewer6:09
So, you spoke about going big in advertising this year. 18% is 18% of sales is what is factored in, or you are going to increase that as well?
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Mohan Goenka6:18
So most likely it would be that bad, so, but, yeah, if we need, see, we are very need-based. If we see that yes, the momentum is coming in, then we would up our advertising. So roughly we have estimated almost 19-20% this year.
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Interviewer6:32
We'll take a short break, come back and we'll talk Fair, we'll talk Handsome, only with the family of Emami. CNBC TV18 Weekender.