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Patrick Lammers
Chief Operating Officer Commercial, Member of the Management Board, E.ON SE

Hybrid-Pressekonferenz: E.ON SE und Fortescue Future Industries / Unterzeichnung eines MoU

🎥 Mar 29, 2022 📺 B2events GmbH ⏱ 63m
aus dem Tagungszentrum im Haus der Bundespressekonferenz 29. März 2022, Beginn: 14.00 Uhr.
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Transcript (21 segments)
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Lars Rosumek16:04
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Hello, can you hear me? Good day, ladies and gentlemen. A quick note from us: we are running about ten minutes late for our colleagues who have already joined virtually. Thank you for your patience. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our press conference at the Federal Press Conference in Berlin. I am pleased to welcome you both in person and virtually. We currently have about 60 journalists joining us online. I am Lars Rosumek, responsible for policy and communications at E.ON. With me on the podium are: Ambassador Philip Green, Australian Ambassador to Germany; Parliamentary State Secretary Michael Kellner from the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Climate Action; Dr. Andrew Forrest, Chairman and Founder of Fortescue Future Industries; Katharina Reiche, Chair of the National Hydrogen Council; and from our side, Patrick Lammers, Member of the Board of E.ON. First, Patrick Lammers and Dr. Forrest will present what the two companies intend to agree on. Afterwards, State Secretary Kellner and Ambassador Green will speak about the joint project. Katharina Reiche will conclude from the standpoint of the National Hydrogen Council. Afterwards, I will open the question-and-answer session. For English-speaking guests, we have simultaneous interpretation available. Headsets are at the front. Please select channel 2 for English. The press conference is also streamed online; journalists online can follow and we will open for questions. With that, I hand over to Patrick Lammers.
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Patrick Lammers31:21
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are here today, and this is truly exciting. We are opening a new horizon. At this very moment, just a short walk from here in Berlin's Oranienburg district, the Federal Minister for Economic Affairs and Climate Protection and the Federal Foreign Minister are opening something very important. The goal is clear: key decision-makers from politics, business, and all walks of life are coming together to work on solutions under the motto 'energy transition from vision to action'. Fortescue Future Industries and E.ON are providing an answer today. We have launched the largest hydrogen economy project ever seen worldwide. Within a few years, we will produce green, renewable hydrogen in Australia in previously unseen volumes and bring it to Europe. We will make it available on a large scale to 1,000 municipal utilities. We want to start in 2024 with up to 200,000 tons and then step by step ramp up to a massive five million tons per year by 2030. The alliance of FFI and E.ON, which we are sealing today with the signing of our Memorandum of Understanding, has everything needed for this unique project: two strong partners for the common goal of decarbonization. This is the core of our strategy. FFI and E.ON share the same values, which is why we have already joined forces for the green transformation of the economy. We complement each other with our capabilities; it is a perfect match. We are building hydrogen bridges from Australia to Europe, and that is something entirely new. Our Australian partner uses the sun on the fifth continent to generate energy for producing green hydrogen. They will build the infrastructure there and organize shipping to Europe. We at E.ON have the distribution networks to bring the green hydrogen everywhere it is needed—not only in Germany but also in other European countries, especially the Netherlands. And we have customers who will take the green hydrogen, initially mainly in Germany and the Netherlands, and later in other European markets. Together, we will supply thousands of municipal utilities, thousands of hidden champions with 100,000 jobs. Together, we will supply 1,000 municipalities with millions of people. This closes a real gap because, unlike large corporations, these customers cannot secure green hydrogen through individual contracts. Today stands for a common beginning. We are losing no time. Our joint task force has already begun clarifying issues regarding infrastructure and technology. We have agreed to jointly conduct studies. We proceed step by step based on study results, which will determine when and how much can be delivered and distributed. We welcome the support of the Austrian and German governments. Ambassador Green, State Secretary Kellner, we are very grateful for your presence. Political backing for such large projects is crucial. Without it, it won't work. Economy and federal government, Australia, hand in hand. To ensure it works, Germany and Australia concluded their hydrogen agreement in 2021. We build on that today. We look forward to further close cooperation on both our hydrogen bridges. I am personally very enthusiastic, and I am sure Dr. Forrest will be too when he speaks. I hope our enthusiasm is infectious. Ladies and gentlemen, the world is in upheaval more than ever—geopolitically, economically, energy-politically, climate-politically. Only together can we shape a new structure. Only together can we make a difference. Only together can we bring the old world into the new. Australia, Germany, the Netherlands, Europe—shared values for shared energy. Thank you very much.
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Philip Green46:52
The weight watchers of very strong branches think back to the past. The prospects for Germany.
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Lars Rosumek47:22
Thank you very much, Ambassador Green. With that, we move on to our next speaker. A wonderful afternoon. I want to make clear at the beginning, for the Ministry of Economic Affairs: this agreement between E.ON and FFI is an important step, an enormously important step. It puts Germany in pole position to supply not only large industries but also small and medium-sized enterprises with green hydrogen. I want to expressly say this shows the great value of the German-Australian energy partnership. This partnership is truly a ray of light in these difficult times, and this agreement is also a ray of light. The new federal government is committed to accelerating the energy transition—out of fossil fuels, into renewables. The social-ecological modernization of our economy is our common goal. We are now taking the necessary steps with the Easter package and the summer package. We are enormously accelerating the expansion of renewables and at the same time facing the new challenges from Russia's war of aggression. We must get away from Russian fossil energies even faster to become energy independent. We focus on efficiency and diversification of supply sources. That is why I am so pleased about the close cooperation with Australia. We must achieve the switch to hydrogen, to green hydrogen, even faster, as the last weeks and months have shown. That is why I am so pleased that you are presenting this agreement on green hydrogen today. There was a long discussion about hydrogen being the champagne of the energy transition. With this agreement, it is no longer champagne but perhaps a Swiss Army knife of the energy transition—flexible and high quality. Thank you.
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Michael Kellner47:28
A wonderful afternoon. The sun is shining. And I want to say at the beginning, clearly for the Ministry of Economic Affairs: this agreement between E.ON and FFI is an important step, an enormously important step. It puts us in pole position for the German industry—and not just the big ones but also the small and medium enterprises—to be supplied with green hydrogen. I want to expressly say this shows the great value of the German-Australian energy partnership. And this partnership is truly a ray of light in these difficult times. And this agreement is also a ray of light. The new federal government is committed to accelerating the energy transition. Out of fossil fuels, into renewables. The social-ecological modernization of our economy is our common goal. We are now taking the necessary steps with the Easter package and the summer package. We are accelerating the expansion of renewables enormously and at the same time facing the new challenges from Russia's war of aggression. We must get away from Russian fossil energies faster so that we become energy independent. We focus on efficiency and diversification of supply sources. That's why I'm so happy about the close cooperation with Australia. We must achieve the switch to hydrogen, to green hydrogen, faster, as the last weeks and months have shown. That's why I'm so pleased that you are presenting this agreement on green hydrogen today. There was a long discussion about hydrogen being the champagne of the energy transition. With this agreement, it's no longer champagne but perhaps a Swiss Army knife of the energy transition—flexible and high quality. Thank you.
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Katharina Reiche49:49
Dear State Secretary, dear Ambassador, dear Andrew Forrest, dear Patrick Lammers, ladies and gentlemen, I am very grateful to be here today. Indeed, at the quantities we are talking about, it is not champagne; perhaps rather the water in front of us. At the latest since Putin's invasion of Ukraine, it is clear that energy security can only be achieved if we combine decarbonization and diversification. Decarbonization and diversification are two sides of the same coin. With the signing of the memorandum today between Fortescue Future Industries and E.ON, we are taking a truly big step for Germany, the Netherlands, and for Europe. And this step is more urgent than ever. The agreement concluded in 2021 between Australia and Germany was a very important step. Industrially produced, broadly distributed green renewable hydrogen takes on a key role. That is a very special claim. You spoke about freedom energies; in this sense, hydrogen is also a kind of freedom fuel in many ways. Industrially produced, broadly distributed green renewable hydrogen makes us free from emissions, free from dependencies on fossil fuels, and thus free from geopolitical dependencies, especially in these times when we painfully feel these dependencies. The upcoming hydrogen bridge between Australia, Germany, the Netherlands, and Europe carries this freedom alliance with it. We not only decarbonize and diversify the energy supply, but we also create energy security. With the hydrogen bridge, we strengthen economic and political cooperation between the continents. We share the same values: democracy, rule of law, social market economy. Ambassador Green mentioned it; in this sense, hydrogen is a freedom fuel. We will make our societies significantly more sustainable and competitive—economically and politically. This added value cannot be overestimated. We are very grateful that we, as the National Hydrogen Council, can support the federal government in its new plans. I am grateful to be here today to accompany this special agreement. Thank you for your attention.
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Lars Rosumek52:42
Thank you, Katharina Reiche. With that, I now open the question round. I ask colleagues in the room to raise their hands and when I call on you, please name your medium. We also have some online questions that we have already received and will call on accordingly. Please, the first question in the room.
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Reporter53:15
It is an agreement between E.ON and FFI. We should support the German-Australian energy partnership. We as the Ministry of Economic Affairs are happy to support it, also through close and long exchange. It is good that the idea of green hydrogen is winning through a market economy approach and that is a great strength because it brings the necessary prerequisite for the industrialization of German industry, European industry, and also the Netherlands to achieve decarbonization.
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Lars Rosumek54:04
We have further questions in the room. We also have online questions. A question from the Wall Street Journal for Dr. Forrest: How much green hydrogen can be shipped? Will it be shipped as ammonia? How will the green hydrogen be transported—as ammonia?
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Andrew Forrest54:18
Ammonia. The Wall Street Journal asks: we produce green hydrogen and transport it as ammonia.
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Lars Rosumek57:19
Then we have a question here in the room. Please, your question.
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Reporter57:40
To whom do you address the question? To Mr. Patrick.
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Patrick Lammers57:50
Thank you for the question. We will now jointly conduct studies to determine exactly. We aim for 2024; that is our ambitious goal. As for the networks, they already exist. There is not much to do except decide how the hydrogen will land, how we land it and distribute it, and how quickly. We also need to activate customers. But it will all come quickly. We are glad to be here, but the real work begins now.
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Lars Rosumek58:40
Thank you. Another question online for Patrick Lammers from Benedikt Müller, Süddeutsche Zeitung: Will the green hydrogen be blended into the existing natural gas networks, or are you planning hydrogen pipelines to industrial customers?
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Patrick Lammers58:58
The answer to the question is: we start with blending into the natural gas network, that is already legally possible. Naturally, there will come a point where we say that is not enough; then we will convert everything to green hydrogen. But we have to build up the business together because there will not suddenly be a separate network for gas and a separate one for hydrogen. Customers cannot switch overnight. It must be done step by step as we said.
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Lars Rosumek59:31
Yes, thank you. Then another question for Patrick Lammers from Christoph Steitz, Reuters: Can you say something about the investment volume needed for the project announced today?
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Patrick Lammers59:45
For the network, we need a lot to invest, that is very clear. For the other part, that will come out of the studies we conduct together with FFI. We will communicate about that then. We cannot say much now because there are many unknown factors and variables; we first need to work it out.
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Lars Rosumek1:00:07
Thank you. Then another question from the hall about the Wall Street Journal question: How much is 5 million tons of green hydrogen compared with today's natural gas imports from Russia?
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Andrew Forrest1:00:33
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Katharina Reiche1:01:04
I would like to add a clarification. 2024 was asked; Patrick Lammers said we begin in 2024, but not with 5 million tons. That order of magnitude step by step is targeted for 2030. Before that, we work our way up. So 2024 is the period when the quantity becomes available and then is distributed. Just so you correctly place the timeline.
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Lars Rosumek1:01:40
Thank you for the clarification. That is about one percent. Are there further questions in the room? I currently have no further questions in the chat. If not, I would like to invite photojournalists that we will now move to the next step: the signing of the agreement in the atrium. I would be pleased if some of you stay with us afterwards. Thank you very much for your participation. With that, I close the press conference.