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Ulrike Decoene
Group Chief Communications, Brand and Sustainability Officer, AXA SA

Human progress, women empowerment and AI | WFA #BetterMarketingPod with Ulrike Decoene, AXA

🎥 Aug 30, 2024 📺 WFA ⏱ 29m
In episode 34 of the Better Marketing Pod, David Wheldon speaks to AXA Group Head of Communication, Brand and ...
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David0:39
Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of Better Marketing. Today we're focusing on AXA and I've got the absolute privilege of talking to the group chief officer of communications, brand and sustainability. Quite the mouthful. I'm sure I won't be able to resist talking about why it's not the chief marketing officer, but Ora, welcome. What a privilege to get you to join us, especially given how busy you must be knowing your results are upcoming. Thank you very much.
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Ulrike Decoene1:13
David, thanks a lot. It's a pleasure. I really appreciate it. I know for a chief communications officer these days can be a nightmare, so you're looking remarkably relaxed. I'm trying. So I thought we could start with you sharing a little about AXA and its purpose. Yes, we are one of the largest financial companies in the world, among the big CAC 40 companies in France. We are 40 years old, a rather young project with strong roots in insurance. Purpose-driven is close to our DNA. The founders in the 80s gathered many companies to build an international company with a clear purpose. A couple of years ago, we revived that sense of purpose. Protection was clearly at the center. It's about protecting customers' wealth, families, assets, businesses, and also the idea of mutualization and sharing risks. We connected protection to progress, a concept that not many companies use. We built our purpose around that, which has been alive for close to five years, infusing everything we do in culture and business.
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David5:26
I love companies that focus on the reality of what they do and attach it to proper purposeful action. I particularly like your focus on progress, and the word 'human' in human progress. Because I'm a big fan of brands being built from the inside out, can you talk about how you've engaged your 150,000 people? What does the purpose mean for them, and how do they see it working?
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Ulrike Decoene5:57
We have close to 150,000 employees and agents worldwide. The way we bring them along is extremely important. Since inception, we've been a progressive company: anonymous CVs in the 90s, proactive union dialogue. We've applied those European policies globally: parental leave, inclusion, well-being, mental health, protecting women from domestic violence. We combine care with empowerment. We don't pretend to be a startup, but we create a culture where entrepreneurship can happen. We have a program called AXA Hearts in Action where 30% of employees volunteer on company time, and we aim for 50% by the end of our strategic plan. This brings the sense of purpose to employees.
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David9:43
Very good. To link risk management with brand building, I know you've been a champion of women's causes. I was intrigued by your campaign 'being a woman shouldn't be a risk'. Can you tell us how it worked and what the metrics were? It's a passion for you to align risk with diversity and inclusion.
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Ulrike Decoene10:11
It's very interesting that the risk topic is now in the spotlight. We have a Future Risk Report surveying 25,000 people. We decided to take this head on with our brand promise. Rather than focus on one concrete business topic, we highlighted the overexposure of women to risks. In France, we are piloting a home insurance product that offers relocation guarantees for domestic violence, similar to fire or flood. This year we focused on self-employed people and freelancers, inventing new products. So the concept is 'why should the future be a risk', and we started with women.
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David13:01
Speaking of future risks, climate change is one we're all living and worrying about. I see you've set rigorous targets. Are you measured against those? Is there an incentive for the management committee and others to deliver?
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Ulrike Decoene13:27
Since 2015 we announced we would stop investing in coal and have been phasing out. We have a net zero journey to align our investments and insurance portfolios with the Paris Agreement. We also see expectations to help people adapt to climate change. There's a study showing $10 trillion worth of new economic goods still need insurance solutions. So we are working on new solutions for the transition and adaptation. On incentives, 30% of long-term targets for our executives are linked to ESG: diversity, climate, own operations emissions, and new business areas in adaptation and transition.
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David16:24
That's fantastic. What gets measured gets done, and when it gets done it should be rewarded. It'll take companies like AXA to focus on this. In your strategic plan 2024-2026, you're investing more in tech and AI. How do you see AI impacting your role, specifically brand and marketing?
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Ulrike Decoene17:05
No surprise there. Our key assets are people and data, so we need to master AI. We're investing 1.6 billion over the plan period for technological transformation. We've identified four key use cases in customer interaction and pricing that are no-brainers, and 20 more being tested. For my remit, we've already adopted tools to speed up. I want to use the enthusiasm to drive change without frustrating people. We need to implement fast.
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David19:32
I'm a big fan of technological change, but my favorite soundbite is 'don't be the dog that barks at every passing car'. Recently I did a panel where Mark Ritson's bot participated. It was spooky how the audience responded more to the bot. How are you thinking about the risk of that? Is it an ethical discussion?
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Ulrike Decoene20:37
In testing gen AI in customer service scripts, we found that AI-generated scripts tend to be more empathetic than human-written ones. We established guiding principles: full transparency on what is AI generated, and human supervision at the end. Deepfakes are a societal challenge. We are funding ethical research through the AXA Research Fund. It's a work in progress, but we must keep an ethical compass.
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David23:43
Fantastic. Then the question I was asking is: Is the CMO the impossible job? Here you are, the group chief communications, brand and sustainability officer, without the word marketing. Can you tell us about that?
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Ulrike Decoene24:12
I can be transparent. When Thomas Buberl became CEO, there was a governance restructuring redefining local vs global. Insurance is very decentralized; marketing is locally defined. We decided not to have a global marketing function except brand, which is part of the regulatory framework. In the meantime, we've hired amazing local marketeers who are now chief customer officers. We've made incredible progress on customer satisfaction. It proved that a global marketing function wasn't critical, but that doesn't mean it lost importance. Customer realities are local.
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David26:58
Fantastic. But you still maintain the brand, which is fundamental. To end, one of your global assets is the relationship with Liverpool. I'm intrigued to know how you use that property and how it helps build the brand.
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Ulrike Decoene27:20
We're so proud of this. It's one of our greatest assets. We had no experience in sports sponsorship but were convinced it was an amazing fit. Our brand promise 'No you can' and Liverpool's 'You'll Never Walk Alone' go together. We are Liverpool's global training partner for men's and women's clubs, named their training centers. We are the behind-the-scenes partner. It has given us great notoriety, especially in Asia. We work jointly on topics we care about: women's sports, mental health, sustainability, community resilience. We are very happily married.
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David28:56
Absolutely, I love that. Well, speaking of happily married, you've got your results and your summer holiday beckons, so you won't enjoy much of the Olympics. I have thoroughly enjoyed talking to you. Thank you so much for your time.
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Ulrike Decoene29:13
Thank you David, thank you very much for the questions. Thank you for the great conversation.
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David29:21
Well, as always I absolutely enjoyed that conversation. I thought Ora was succinct to the point and gave the best answer I've heard on why somebody isn't called a chief marketing officer. Thanks to Ora and to all of you for listening and watching. Enjoy your summers and see you again soon.