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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta
Group Deputy CEO, in charge of Geographies and Categories, Danone

WO.MEN’s Café - Rencontre avec Véronique PENCHIENATI–BOSETTA, CEO International - Groupe Danone

🎥 May 12, 2022 📺 NEOMA Alumni ⏱ 59m 👁 425 views
POUR CE WO.MEN’S CAFE EXCEPTIONNEL, nous avons le plaisir de recevoir Véronique Penchienati Bosetta (PGE 89), CEO International du groupe Danone et membre du COMEX. En parallèle, elle a occupé, en 2021, le poste de Co-CEO du Groupe Danone, jusqu’à l’arrivée du nouveau CEO Groupe, Antoine de Saint-Affrique. Véronique a évolué pendant plus de 23 ans au sein du Groupe Danone. Elle nous parlera de son parcours, de ses clés de réussite et de ses principaux défis au sein du groupe, dans un contexte particulièrement mouvementé.
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Safia Patrielos0:19
Welcome everyone, we are delighted to welcome you today for this special Rubens Café with an equally exceptional guest. I'm Safia Patrielos, co-founder of Women Balnéo Mal Unis, and I have the pleasure of having Adeline Lense beside me to co-host this Rubens Café.
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Adeline Lense0:36
Hello.
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Safia Patrielos0:40
A few words about Women at Luminy. We are a mixed network of women and men committed to making equality a reality in our companies and in society. We are lucky to have as our godmother Inés Garcia-Poveda, president of the Legrand group and one of only two female presidents of a CAC 40 group to date. As you know, Women is a sixty-minute encounter with women and men who are moving the needle, chosen for their particularly inspiring journeys and their daily impact. For this exceptional edition, we have the pleasure of welcoming Véronique Penchienati-Bosetta, Group Deputy CEO of Danone and member of the Executive Committee. Hello and welcome, Véronique.
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta1:27
Hello.
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Adeline Lense1:30
Thank you for accepting to give us your very precious time for this Rubens Café. It's a great pleasure and a great honor to exchange with you live, notably about your journey, your keys to success, but also your vision of the future and the main challenges within the Danone group, in a context that is particularly eventful. For those of you online, don't hesitate to ask your questions in the Q&A tab. We'll take fifteen minutes at the end of this interview to answer them. So Véronique, let's start with a few words to present you. You graduated from NEOMA in '89. You are considered within Danone, I quote, as a top-tier executive. You define yourself as a free and authentic woman who says what she thinks and knows what she wants, and your career clearly demonstrates that. Before joining Danone, you started in marketing in the hygiene and beauty sector, notably eight years at Procter & Gamble, and in '99 you were headhunted for a position within Danone. Seduced by the group and its mission, you dove in, and that's where a great story begins—twenty-three years of a very beautiful career. I'll fast-forward a bit, sorry. After two years heading marketing for France, you took over worldwide marketing in 2002. You changed roles, becoming marketing director for dairy products, the group's leading division. Then in 2004, with the arrival of your second child, you made your wish known to travel less and returned to a France-focused role as Vice President of Dairy Products Marketing. Then in 2009, you created your own opportunity—you asked for a general management role in France. The response was that you first needed to validate a general management experience in a foreign subsidiary, but you didn't want to expatriate your family, and that was very clear. So you refused, and persisted for six months, and it paid off—you were finally appointed General Manager of Danone Waters France, where your results were impressive. The ascent continued: in 2013, Vice President of Europe for Evian and Volvic, then President of Evian and Volvic Worldwide a year later. You made Evian take a giant leap forward, developed the group's e-commerce strategy, and it was natural that in 2017 you were offered the direction of Growth and Innovation, joining the Executive Committee in 2018. In 2019, you took over Specialized Nutrition, the group's second branch, and in late 2020, just out of the pandemic, you were appointed International General Manager. Finally, in March 2021, as the group experienced a crisis with the abrupt departure of CEO Emmanuel Faber, you also took on the role of co-CEO until the arrival of Antoine de Saint-Affrique. Quite a journey! The first question we wanted to ask you is: when you were a student, did you imagine such a career, and what are your driving forces?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta4:54
Clearly not. That wasn't my zone at all—I never projected myself into becoming a CEO or executive committee member. I didn't even know what those things were at the time. I was raised by parents who were shopkeepers with a decoration shop, both decorators—so not at all in the world of elite schools and big corporations. But they gave me real values: a love of work, the desire to surpass oneself, always pushing beyond one's limits, being committed, and agility. So no, I didn't imagine all of that. What motivates me, what guides me, I think comes down to three things. The first is the desire to grow and make things grow. I'm not afraid of leaving my comfort zone. I love learning, doing different things, discovering, pushing boundaries—my own limits. But if I get bored, it doesn't work; I need to change. That's the first important element. The second is freedom. I'll explain, because freedom in a big multinational—I think I have two drivers: freedom and staying true to who I am. That's extremely important to me, being deeply anchored in my values and personality. I'm someone who is simple, authentic, loyal. I say what I think, with kindness, and I expect the same from others. I need that spontaneity, that transparency. And if I'm not aligned, I'd rather leave or change, because that's really important to me. The consequences aren't serious—I can bounce back. The second aspect of freedom is financial freedom—not depending on anyone. I had that strongly when I was young, partly because my parents were entrepreneurs. Those are important drivers. And the last driver is personal balance. Throughout a career, we face choices—putting family first, or at times, professional life. What's important is being fully grounded in your choices, never frustrated, and never letting frustration weigh on your family or employer. Make choices, accept the consequences. When my second son was born and I was traveling a lot, I said I couldn't do it anymore—he felt like I wasn't there. So I made a lateral move, which didn't matter. I wanted to stay in France, and that was my priority. We always have to make such choices—what matters is being clear about what you want and doing it with a positive attitude. I also had quite a bit of luck, and I don't think that's insignificant. I was at a company that allowed me to grow and reach fantastic responsibilities while respecting my choices, and I met great people along the way.
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Adeline Lense9:35
So just as you talk about luck, Véronique, going back to 2009 when you pushed for it—when you asked for a general management role in France while you were a marketing director and hadn't yet checked the box of being a CEO of a small foreign subsidiary, which is normally required for such a progression. Why did you make this request, and how did you manage to convince them?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta10:03
There comes a moment when you're just convinced. I wanted to change, do something different from marketing—I had done marketing in every sense, in local subsidiaries, international, across many categories. And I told myself, I was in contact with a CEO, and at some point I thought, I want to and I can. It's not arrogance—it's just feeling ready. So I made the request, first to my boss, then up the chain. They said they understood, but a CEO position in France is a huge responsibility, and I should start with a smaller country. But my husband is an entrepreneur, and it wasn't possible for him to be expatriated just anywhere. I didn't want to be expatriated alone making round trips every week. So I said what I wanted. They offered me an international marketing director role, which was great, but I didn't want that. I said no, and that if it didn't work out, I'd do something else and continue to develop. But I wanted that general management of Danone Waters in France. The discussions went on for six months. At one point I thought it was over—but there was also luck involved. Franck Riboud himself made the final decision. My case was probably discussed at the executive committee, and it was a moment when Danone was thinking about accelerating women's profiles. Franck, being pragmatic, said: 'You're looking for women with potential to be CEO, and you have one right here who is super motivated, and you're not taking the risk? Then stop your whole program on women, because if we can't do that, it's ridiculous.' So I was appointed CEO of Danone Waters, though with pressure—I felt I couldn't fail. I stayed five years, turned the business around, and it was probably the most beautiful collective experience I've ever had. Congratulations to the team, and thank you to Franck Riboud for pushing—it was a great opportunity.
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Adeline Lense13:47
Another question: in 2020 you took the international CEO role, barely out of the pandemic, and then a few months later in March 2021, a new crisis with the abrupt departure of Emmanuel Faber. You became co-CEO until the new CEO arrived. How did you manage this particularly turbulent period for the group, the teams, and for you personally? What was your role as co-CEO?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta14:22
I think that was probably the most complex, intense, and demanding period of my career. I worked non-stop, but it was also where I learned the most and grew the most. We were coming off a wonderful year, and then Danone was caught in an internal governance crisis, also external—it was widely reported in the press. Overnight I found myself as interim CEO, holding the company together. My first priority was to hold the teams—things were rocking from both the external and internal context. I said Danone would get back on its feet, we would demonstrate our results. It was crucial to refocus everyone on the core mission: develop our business, our brands, get back to growth, serve our consumers. I focused enormously on internal communication, holding the teams together with the rest of the executive committee. I didn't speak to the press at all—total blackout—to stay totally focused on Danone, the teams, and the business. To give back pride, because what had been said in the press was really hard on us. And you give back pride by doing your job and delivering results. My second priority was focusing on business priorities, delivering results, and delegating enormously. Everyone had to be in their place with a clear roadmap—clear objectives, trust, no micromanagement. And honestly, the teams gave their absolute best. The third thing was putting ego aside—you can't think about yourself in those situations. You think about the company, Danone, the teams. It was incredibly enriching. I found myself on the board of directors every month, managing results publications, the analysts, that CEO role. We did what we thought was right. And then when Antoine de Saint-Affrique arrived in September, I made him a gift—there's a book I love that says you need to give your children roots and wings. I gave Antoine a book called 'Roots and Wings,' because with the new leadership trio, it was important to give wings to Danone with new energy, while not forgetting its roots and DNA. That's what we're doing with the Renew Danone plan—keeping a foot in both, DNA and innovation, isn't simple every day. You always have to make decisions with that double filter, and that's what gives back energy.
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Adeline Lense19:03
And precisely, I want to come back to this mission, this unique DNA that Danone has. It reminds me of you—staying rooted. It's the same for a brand and a group: staying anchored to your DNA so you don't lose yourself. A mission that is both economic and social, and has been around a long time—since Antoine Riboud's famous 1972 speech in Marseille, where he proposed reconciling industry with the planet, knowing it was difficult but not impossible. Since then, the group—and you've contributed a lot—has committed to certifying B Corp across its entire portfolio by 2030. How do you drive this transformation and find the right balance between profitability and social and environmental progress?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta20:33
For me, the Danone mission and the 1972 Marseille speech—we're celebrating the fiftieth anniversary this year—that's why I joined Danone, that's why I stay. We live it every day; it's really part of the DNA. All the steps we've taken—One Person, One Voice, One Vote, the B Corp commitment, becoming a mission-driven company in 2020—show it's at the heart of what we do. It's demanding. B Corp certification at the scale of each entity is demanding—it's an assessment system measuring progress on social and environmental criteria. Our initial commitment was 100% B Corp by 2030; we moved that up to 2025. In 2019 we were at about 35%, and today we're at 60%, even through COVID. Nobody forces you to certify—teams did it because it gives pride internally and externally. It's our way of doing business, the Danone way. The mission-driven company status from the PACTE law—whose social and environmental objectives are defined in the bylaws, overseen by independent experts who review progress across four domains: health, planet and environment, people and social, and inclusive growth. This is just daily life at Danone. You can't do business any other way. It brings pride—the feeling of working for a unique company. Danone was clearly an innovator on this since '72. We have many commitments: regenerative agriculture—transforming toward a model protecting soils and animal welfare, valuing farmers. One hundred percent of our raw materials in France from regenerative agriculture by 2025. Carbon neutrality, fighting food waste—it's all at the core of how we do business. We're listed, we must deliver economic performance, but it's at the heart of our way of doing business.
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Adeline Lense25:35
A colleague was telling me, when you hear all this, you wonder—how does she manage, balancing her professional and personal life? I suppose some participants online are wondering the same thing: with all your responsibilities, how do you balance your role as a senior executive, your couple, your family, and your two grown sons? Do you have a recipe to share? I know many women are listening.
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta26:06
Well, happily, there are no simple recipes. I don't think I have the recipe, but I can share what allows me to move forward. First, it's about balance. I draw my energy from my family—from my three men, my husband and my two sons. We make decisions together. It's not always easy to find the right balance, but as I explained from the start: once a decision is made, it's made—no frustration. And if it doesn't work out, you change—even a lateral move in your professional life doesn't matter if that's what you need. Or accelerating because the kids are grown and you want to grow professionally. I've always done it that way. The other thing is the division of tasks at home, with my husband. When I wanted to stop traveling, I asked for a marketing role in France—I was lucky, it wasn't a step forward but it was great, I continued to learn and it gave me balance. When I took Specialized Nutrition in Amsterdam, my children were much older, it was a discussion with my husband, and I came back on weekends. And what's super important for me is: when I'm there, when I'm home, I am fully present. It's always been like that. I may come home late—9:30 PM or whatever—but I'm there, really there. We do things together. When they were little, watching them play sports. Now it's the same. That's really important—setting limits. The worst would be to work like crazy, travel, come home on weekends and do emails. Of course there are crisis moments, and I'll say, for half an hour I'm not available, for an hour I'm not available.
It's really about that ability to switch and to be completely present, whether it's at work, at home, or with my friends. That's really important to me. An incredible family too — I have two extraordinary boys, it's great. And a husband who loves to say 'oh, that's my role.' It gives me enormous energy. That's where I draw my energy from.
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Safia Patrielos29:54
Yes, exactly. This energy — you have a lot of it and you give a lot of it. But how do you recharge your batteries? Is it with your family, or are there other places where you recharge to recover all this energy you've given?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta30:09
Well, my family, clearly. But also, the teams give a lot of energy too. I need proximity with the teams — not just my direct team, but teams in the broader sense. Discussing, exchanging, building together. And actually, every time I go to a country, what interests me isn't having a day of PowerPoint presentations and business reviews — because we've had enough of that — but going out in the field. Having lunch with young people, having dinner with the teams, listening to them, speaking honestly, co-constructing, putting problems on the table and saying 'how can I help you?' Because I'm a bit less operational, so I can bring a bit of distance, a different perspective. That gives me enormous, enormous energy.
And I'll be honest, I don't do much sport right now. It's a bit lacking at the moment. But it's on my to-do list.
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Safia Patrielos31:20
Well, at least you're not perfect — that helps us a little!
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta31:24
It's been about two years and it's not great at all, but I'm going to get back to it. Yes, with good resolutions.
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Safia Patrielos31:35
The things you do well, those small rituals that you enjoy and you say 'okay, let's keep doing that for the next two months.' You give off the feeling that you're someone who's close to the teams. Do you have a small ritual? I like to take a break with something before going to work.
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta31:56
Well, I can't do it every day because if it's too early it doesn't work, but having breakfast with my husband at the café. Those little moments, you know, just passing through. That's what you create — it's nice. But anyway, I wanted to move on to another subject, which also relates to teams: diversity and inclusion.
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Safia Patrielos32:15
It's something that interests us a lot at Chairwoman, as you know. You told me, 'I don't even understand why we still ask the question.' It's the foundation of the richness and performance of any company, and my teams have been diverse for a long time.
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta32:27
Yes, exactly. I couldn't do otherwise.
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Safia Patrielos32:39
So I'd like to ask you: do you have good practices to share? And can you tell us a bit about the group's commitments and how you measure progress?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta32:50
Yes. What truly excites me about diversity is the fact that it brings different perspectives — perspectives that change how we do business, how we approach problems, how we solve them, how we grow teams. That's what brings richness. Of course it's about gender — men and women — but absolutely not only. It's age too. I'm convinced that the richness of having young people and more senior people together in a team is incredible. It's origins, experiences, personalities, nationality. I remember when I was head of VW, we were a global organization and my team had total gender balance. We had a range from about 30 to 60 years old, with all those differences. It was extraordinary. But what's important is that for this magic to happen, you still need a shared vision and common values. That's where the magic happens — if you're capable of listening to each other and taking all that richness to do things differently. You need roots and wings. It's incredibly rich.
It's self-evident. But it's not that simple. First, we're deeply committed — gender diversity is one of our four priorities. And we do a lot of things. We have programs that are incredible. I don't know if you know about them. We have two leadership programs. One is called Eve, set up in 2010, an inter-company program — not just a little club. It's with L'Oréal, Orange, Unilever, etc. The theme is 'dare to be yourself to be able to act.' It welcomes women but also men. It's now in Asia and Africa — it's an incredible program. We also have Octave, which is about intergenerational leadership, to draw on all the richness of different generations. And then we have very clear KPIs on gender balance, nationality balance — because we must. We have commitments, and we need KPIs to ensure they're respected at all levels of the organization. But it's really at the heart of collective success. What isn't measured doesn't improve.
We've seen with the gender equality index, our scores in France, which is where it's measured, are between 89 and 98.
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Safia Patrielos37:07
And you have a target of 100?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta37:10
Yes, to reach 100. But that's not the goal in itself.
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Safia Patrielos37:20
Eve really lends itself to these discussions. You've told me it's very rich, and I imagine that at Danone, like in our companies, you've experienced moments — particularly during the pandemic — where we saw compelling examples of particularly diverse and inclusive teams that were able to adapt quickly, find creative and lasting solutions for their company. Do you have examples you can share?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta37:53
Yes, lots. But what I find most interesting, and it should make everyone reflect on leadership, is that during crises, people do wonders. And that's true. Why? Because we free them, we trust them, we delegate. That's extremely important — a thing we must keep all the time. When you're able to free the energy of all the teams, wonders happen everywhere. We had lots of examples. We didn't need to totally reinvent our business model. The first thing was to protect our teams and keep producing, because especially in specialized nutrition, our products are essential. We have medical nutrition — tube feeding for intubated patients that we must feed. Imagine our teams in factories with COVID cases, needing to protect people, ensure quality — it was incredible. The engagement of the teams to serve the patients, serve the mission — that's what counts. It's almost tribal. It's the people. We did everything so that patients wouldn't lack anything.
In specialized nutrition, the mission is clear — it's essential. And we could see that if we didn't succeed, we had an impact. So we had to find solutions to produce, to deliver. It was really incredible. And then there were initiatives everywhere. The direct-to-consumer sites that we'd been trying to push for two years — suddenly no problem, everyone set them up. Super effective, by the way, and they gave us enormous strength to keep delivering and gaining market share. Factories that, in addition to producing, produced hand sanitizer. Incredible local initiatives. In Mexico, with the strong increase in domestic violence, the whole team set up an entire prevention campaign, a hotline, etc. Donations of medical nutrition products to help patients recover after intubation, for new mothers who mostly had to go to the hospital alone without their partners. It was just magical, truly magical. We can only thank the teams.
Because I think it was hard for everyone. It was hard to adapt, hard because people were impacted, families were affected. Everyone had to protect their own, protect themselves, keep working under pretty unbelievable circumstances. But there was an incredible wave of solidarity and dedication.
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Safia Patrielos42:17
Yes, clearly, it was a meaningful time. And I think we've all experienced moments like that in our companies. It's really important. What I take away from your idea is: really freeing, liberating the energies. That was so important, and it creates wonders. I have a last question before we move to participant questions.
Véronique, you know that with us, we really want to create a supportive network to help women in their professional journey. Do you have advice to give to the women listening — especially young students, those who are just starting their careers? And also, as someone who raised two wonderful boys and transmitted values to them, do you have a message for the men listening too?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta43:09
Well, I don't know if I'll differentiate between women and men — it's the same message. For me, it's: stay who you are. Stay grounded. Take courage in both hands to ask for what you want. Nothing falls from the sky. And that's a bit more true for women — if you think people will come find you, it doesn't work that way. So don't hesitate to ask, don't be frustrated if you don't get it, it's fine, there are moments where it doesn't work out. But in any case, say what you want. Take responsibility, seek impact, seek freedom. Seek the desire to grow and to make others grow, and have fun too. Oh yes, have fun. Be kind. And have a good dose of humility.
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Safia Patrielos44:25
What a beautiful message, Véronique. A truly beautiful message. Listen, let's now move to questions from our participants online. I'm going to hand over to Jean Albinet.
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Jean Albinet44:36
Do you have questions? Yes, yes, lots of questions. Thank you, Véronique, for this sharing which is very authentic and very thorough. There are lots of questions, lots of comments too about the dynamism and positivity — it feels great. But do you sleep sometimes?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta44:56
So yes, I just said it — I sleep very well. But that's also why I say you need a bit of luck. It so happens that I sleep well on a plane or in my own bed. But I sleep well. And that's really important. I'm very conscious of it because it allows me to function properly.
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Jean Albinet45:17
There's actually a question on that topic about the rituals you mentioned earlier — how do you set boundaries to maintain work-life balance? Do you set limits on this heavy investment in your work, especially during that transition period? How do you manage to find that balance? Do you have tips for prioritizing what's urgent versus what truly matters?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta46:00
Just to be really transparent, during the period when I was in the interim CEO role, I held a family meeting. I told them: listen guys, it's going to be complicated. I won't be as available as usual, I'll be more taken up. And so, I was working, I was probably less available, but I still made efforts. As for boundaries — I'm not sure they're boundaries, but there are things you have to force yourself to do. Breakfast in the morning makes me feel good. So when I notice my meetings all start at 8 a.m., I go see Sandra, my assistant, and I say: we need to break this cycle. It's not possible. Let's resume a normal rhythm. Too bad, we'll do those meetings at 9 instead of 8. I also need weekends away. I try to do that fairly regularly — at least once or twice a month. Because it recharges me. Sometimes it's tough: I land from a trip and think I need to do 1.5 hours of work before the weekend. In the moment you think I can't do it, but afterward it feels good and it recharges. So there are things you have to commit to. You have to organize dinners with friends, combine everything. So it's hard to define strict limits, but there's a moment when... I think my body tells me. If I'm too tired, if I'm not feeling well, I sense it. And I know I need to do something. So I have to break the rhythm. You have to listen to that — your body tells you, don't pull the string too hard, calm down. Listen to others, but also listen to yourself.
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Jean Albinet49:04
There are also questions about leadership and gender diversity in governance. Pascal asks: what would be the paths for women who still face many professional barriers to overcome them? How can we give female talent a chance more naturally, opening the way to general management and executive committees? Do you have something to say about that?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta49:53
Yes, I think it happens in two places. First, women must not set limits for themselves. They should do what they want to do. Not everyone wants to be a CEO — that's fine. Everyone has their path, everyone wants to do what they enjoy. But if a woman tells herself 'oh no, I can't because there are fewer women, because it'll be complicated to manage' — that's not true. You can get there if that's what you want. So there's real work to know what you want and to tell yourself you're capable of doing it. There's real work on self-confidence and not putting barriers in front of ourselves that we don't need. And also being very clear about what you want and making choices. There are times you want to accelerate your career and times you don't, and you put it on standby. That's fine. Life is long, there are lots of rich and different experiences. Every job I've had has brought me something different, made me grow. And then there's a real issue — that's why I love the Eve program. There needs to be leadership awareness not just for women, but about 40% of Eve participants are men, because men need to understand the richness of diversity. A woman can manage her personal and professional life — that message needs to be heard by men too. There are more and more of them joining because they sense that looking ahead, new possibilities are opening up.
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Jean Albinet52:36
That's extremely important. There's also a question about your perception of the biggest challenges for tomorrow's leaders — what posture, what levers to achieve parity?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta52:56
For me, the challenges of tomorrow's leadership are: a leadership that takes into account societal impact — the impact on ecosystems, health, the planet. That's non-negotiable today. And second, a leadership that's capable of freeing energies, drawing strength from the collective rather than from a superhero. And being capable of holding on to what makes the roots of a society while also being adaptable. Because we live in a world that's so uncertain and volatile. It's exhausting, honestly, always questioning ourselves — are we doing well, how should we do things differently? So this balance between reinvention, transformation, and anchoring your DNA is crucial.
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Jean Albinet55:01
And one last question before we wrap up. Now that there are several women on the executive committee, did you feel a difference? Is it an advantage? How does it translate — are there changes around the table?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta55:18
Well, I joined an executive committee where there were already several women. I didn't join one full of men where I was the only woman. That wasn't the case. So yes, it's important. But what matters is the richness of perspectives — and that richness comes from having both women and men at the table, but also from different nationalities, different expertise. Our committee has people with deep Danone roots and people coming from outside, which brings richness through different perspectives. I'll say it's more comfortable to be several women in an executive committee than to be alone. I've experienced that in the past — being the only woman surrounded by men. You need courage and tolerance for solitude.
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Safia Patrielos56:53
We need to wrap up. Thank you, Véronique, for these inspiring and authentic testimonials. Speaking freely — it's really wonderful. It's been a great moment. It gave me energy! Do you have a final word before we say goodbye?
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Veronique Penchienati-bosetta57:16
A final word is hard, but a final phrase — the one we use at Eve: 'Dare to be yourself, to be able to act.'
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Safia Patrielos57:33
That's wonderful. And that's especially for women — dare, dare, dare! We dare when we're at 150% of our capabilities. But dare also at 60%, like men do, because you have to create your own luck. I think Véronique has given a wonderful example. Thank you, thank you. And thank you to our participants online. Join us on the LinkedIn group — we're over 1,700 members communicating on LinkedIn now. So join us, the links are in the conversation tab. And the upcoming events — Adeline, I'll let you talk about those.
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Adeline Lense58:15
Sign up quickly! Our next events: Thursday, May 19th, we have Patrick Jean — an actor and filmmaker who often addresses major societal questions — for a 60-minute discussion. It will be 'equal to equal,' decoding stereotypes and how they persist in our daily lives. And two dates to save: Thursday, June 16th, with testimonies from young fathers who are executives, discussing the new paternity leave. And Thursday, July 7th, we're organizing an original event so we can see each other before the summer. Thank you all, thank you Véronique. Véronique, Action wishes you until our next meeting a wonderful week full of sunshine and energy. See you very soon!