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Paul Hermelin
Chairman of the Board of Directors, Capgemini SE

"Il faut laisser le marché décider !" selon Paul Hermelin, PDG de Capgemini

🎥 Nov 27, 2019 📺 Boursorama ⏱ 15m
Paul Hermelin, Président-directeur général de Capgemini, revient sur l'OPA amicale sur Altran et sur l'interférence dans ce ...
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Transcript (21 segments)
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Host0:16
Your guest today on the big interview live on Boursorama is Paul Hermelin, Chairman and CEO of Capgemini. We met last July in Aix-en-Provence. Why am I talking about this? Because you have just announced a friendly takeover for Altran. The markets welcomed it, but an activist fund, Elliott, is putting a spoke in your wheels. Can we say this takeover is not going as you imagined?
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Paul Hermelin1:02
There are two factors. First, IT and data are changing many professions. There will be a revolution in data in manufacturing and R&D. So there is a convergence of IT technologies and operating technologies. Second, in France, we have two listed companies: Altran, a leader in R&D and engineering, and Capgemini, a leader in IT. I thought that by merging them, we could manage this convergence. Everyone agrees it's a good idea, even the activist fund. We will argue about deadlines and price, but everyone considers this a good rapprochement.
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Host2:21
This takeover isn't going as planned?
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Paul Hermelin2:22
The second point is Elliott and their friends, who are trying to slow down the operation using legal procedures. That's legal, but it delays the moment of truth. We are into litigation that will last months. In the end, it's legal blackmail to try to make us cave. I said we won't cave. These appeals waste time and disrupt the operation.
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Host3:15
Does that annoy you?
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Paul Hermelin3:18
I find it damaging because French law means exhausting all appeals takes five months. We thought we could conclude by end of November, but now we have a suspensive appeal pending. If the court rules against us, we wait. That doesn't change the outcome, but it makes the operation fragile because we are in a people business. When delays happen, people get headhunted and we risk losing substance. That's problematic.
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Host4:14
So you'll take six months. Does that change the final outcome?
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Paul Hermelin4:21
It doesn't change the finality, but it makes it fragile because our business is about people. If the operation drags on, we risk losing quality individuals. That's damaging. We should stop the dithering and let the market decide. If Elliott and others think €14 is not enough, let the market decide.
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Host5:23
What do you reply to those who say your offer is insufficient and doesn't reflect the fair value or control premium?
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Paul Hermelin5:24
I reply simply: those who know Altran well, the board of directors, agreed to the price of €14. An expert report by Finexsi determined Altran is worth a little over €13, so €14 adds a premium. Our analysis says it's worth €14. Let the market decide. The market currently values Altran at €14.06. If we don't get 50.1%, the stock will fall heavily. I am serene; I think we will get 50.1%.
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Host6:30
Concretely, would you throw in the towel?
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Paul Hermelin6:32
I think we will get 50.1%. The contacts with shareholders confirm that. Elliott has maybe a little over 10% at Altran. We believe we will win. If not, Altran stays listed and we live with them as minority shareholders. I am perfectly serene. The market is at €14.06, and we won't agree with Elliott at that price, but let the market decide.
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Host8:44
Paul Singer, the founder of Elliott, manages 30 billion euros. He has made trouble for Pernod, Bolloré, others. Will he let go? The arm wrestling—how will it end?
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Paul Hermelin9:00
Either we get 50.1% and the takeover succeeds, we create value, and Elliott is a minority shareholder. Or we don't, and Altran stays listed and we can still deliver the immense majority of strategic value with Altran listed and controlled. We have studied that. There have been informal contacts, but we are not going to raise the bid. Never say never, but for the next five months it's €14 and nothing else.
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Host11:37
From 2020, if this marriage happens, will it be accretive to Capgemini's earnings?
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Paul Hermelin11:51
Yes, because we are doing this acquisition without issuing new shares. We have unused balance sheet capacity, using cash and debt. So obviously it's accretive from 2020.
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Host12:34
On 5G, with the frequencies being auctioned, does that interest you? Altran has telecom skills.
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Paul Hermelin12:42
Altran brings electronic skills; we bring data and information management. 5G is not just an extension of 4G; its quality allows encrypted signals and coordinated management of professional assets over long distances. It can enable connected products of a different quality and coordinated management of multiple factories. There is considerable industrial potential.
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Host13:57
Paul Hermelin, you have made Capgemini a French champion in IT services. Where will this merger place you in the global top 5? What are your ambitions?
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Paul Hermelin14:12
We are currently number 8 globally. This will gain us one place. It's not enough. I am passing the baton to my friend Aiman Ezzat in May. He will have work to do to get into the top 5. I think we can do it within three years. We'll talk about it then.
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Host14:50
Thank you for being with us, Paul Hermelin, Chairman and CEO of Capgemini. This was the big interview live on Boursorama. Thank you.