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Stéphane Maquaire
Secretary General and CEO Northern Europe, member of the Group Executive Committee, Carrefour S.A.

Stéphane Maquaire - "Faisons sauter les verrous : L'échec ? Même pas peur !"

🎥 Dec 04, 2014 📺 Osons la France ⏱ 13m 👁 1224 views
Stéphane Maquaire, président de Monoprix intervient au sein de la séance "Faisons sauter les verrous : L'échec ? Même pas peur !" du forum-exposition "Osons la France, tous visionnaires" qui a eu lieu du 4 au 7 décembre 2014 au Grand Palais, à Paris.
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Transcript (18 segments)
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Interviewer0:11
I went to HEC, and I apologize for saying this, but she felt responsible for the world's misfortunes. You yourself attended a grande école that you maybe shouldn't have, because when you took the entrance exam, it was incredibly complicated and required a powerful calculator. You opened your bag as the exam started and you had forgotten it. Did you leave?
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Stéphane Maquaire0:41
At that point, I had two options: either leave immediately and not waste my time, or stay and do all the calculations by hand. I chose to stay. I asked for many sheets of paper and did all the calculations manually. People thought I was crazy because I kept scratching away at square roots and cube roots. At the end, there was a demonstration, and I had a slight discrepancy: 2.1625 on one side and 2.1627 on the other. I wrote that I considered the demonstration proven even though it wasn't exact, since all calculations were done by hand. The examiner understood and gave me a good grade. It shows there are still enlightened minds in France. All this to say, you mustn't be afraid; you have to take risks. At that time, the former CEO of Sony had a quote that struck me: 'To succeed, you must dare to do what others don't dare to do.'
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Interviewer2:24
When we see you now, 37 or 38, actually 40, you have a great résumé — you keep releasing statements that lower your age. Already CEO of Monoprix for five years. People say you never failed. But your previous comments made me think of a failure we hadn't considered in preparing this talk: I also failed a normal exam. There can be failures — with another teacher, a math teacher who told you 'you're useless' and kicked you out of the oral exam. Did you ever go back to that teacher?
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Stéphane Maquaire3:14
Yes and no. Beyond failure, what matters is taking risks. My career shows many risk-taking situations. I've changed employers four times, often when people told me it was a bad idea — the ownership was changing, the company was in a delicate situation, it was impossible to work with so-and-so. For example, yesterday there was a wonderful young woman named Anne-Laure Constanza, who founded a great startup called Envie de Fraises. She had failed in one or two previous ventures but was sure she had found a unique business model: an online clothing brand for pregnant women. She said the line is extremely thin, if not invisible, between stubbornness when you're convinced you're right and stupidity in not listening to those around you.
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Interviewer4:17
So you have changed jobs four times, and you also changed sectors — from consulting to retail. You've explained that the job was too big for you. Why is there a little voice inside that says 'go for it anyway' that overrides the one that says 'Stéphane, this is a bad idea'?
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Stéphane Maquaire4:35
I believe you have to listen to your inner energy. At some point, you know you have to do it. It's hard to explain, but that's how it's been in my different job transitions. You know it's a mountain you have to climb, but you have that energy. If you listen to it, you know you'll climb that mountain. What's important is not only knowing it's difficult, but also that there will be moments when you think you won't make it. But if you listen to yourself and have that certainty of succeeding, or at least of being able to bounce back if it doesn't work, it's almost like a mystical thing — not very rational, but it's a kind of inner drive or rage that makes you go. And once you decide to go, you don't question yourself anymore.
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Interviewer5:33
As CEO of Monoprix, you must ask yourself many questions. You've conquered many brands. How do you face the fear of failure when you constantly have to innovate? The food retail sector is nothing like it was 15 years ago, especially with digital taking a big part. Were you afraid of launching into digital and it cannibalizing your physical stores?
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Stéphane Maquaire6:02
I wasn't afraid, but the teams were. Store managers, who are on their own turf, were told to promote monoprix.fr. They thought it would reduce their sales. It required a lot of explanations, cutting up the pie, and benevolence to foster initiative in the company. Over time, they understood that it creates a complete ecosystem — Monoprix and monoprix.fr enrich each other rather than one impoverishing the other.
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Interviewer6:41
Yesterday, the same Anne-Laure Constanza said that at her company, values are not posted on the wall but live well in the company. At Monoprix, it's a bit the same, because on the walls there are products. You have a beautiful triptych of values: cohesion, constancy, humility. How do these values live day to day, and how do they coexist with the possibility of failure?
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Stéphane Maquaire7:12
I think they feed initiative and risk-taking. Humility means listening to our customers and knowing when we're not in tune with the moment or with changes in consumption. For example, three or four years ago, when iPads and Samsung tablets emerged, we tried to create our own 'Minitel' — a tablet attached in stores for shopping. We arrived too late compared to the surge of tablets, because now you can shop from anywhere without being tethered to a store. It was a completely useless technological midpoint, exactly like France Telecom's Bi-Bop, which was before mobile phones, allowing you to have a phone within a 300-meter range of a charging station. But France Telecom recovered from Bi-Bop, and we recovered from that project too.
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Interviewer8:22
How does humility work when discussing with your teams? Was there a moment when you had to tell them it's okay, but that doesn't mean we should forget new technologies?
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Stéphane Maquaire8:52
I think that's the aspect of cohesion: as long as we cultivate a spirit of listening within the company, teamwork, the will to work together, to implement new ideas and test them — we are big on testing. If it works, we develop; if it doesn't, we stop. That's benevolence, and from there we develop collective energy. It also means that for the leader, it's not always easy to hear, but sometimes you have to be, in quotes, a bit overwhelmed by events. That sounds a bit strange to say, but it's a reality: initiative must be taken without necessarily having seen, validated, understood, analyzed everything. That's how this will to go further is created, and then bring the idea to life in the store.
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Interviewer9:31
So there is no single strategy for all Monoprix stores? If team members want to define a slightly different strategy, they don't necessarily have to refer up the hierarchy to Stéphane Maquaire to know if they can move a bit. But deciding to close the stores at 6 p.m., that's a red zone, not something to change lightly.
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Stéphane Maquaire9:57
There's a third important element: constancy. When you take a risk, as I applauded in the introduction, you have to go to the end of things. You can't just stop at the first difficulty. Let me give one last example. Monoprix launched organic products almost 25 years ago. At that time, organic was reserved for a few specialty shops. We wanted to develop it, we were sure of our decision, it was part of the evolution of consumption that we sensed, also inspired by what we saw in the US. It took time, but 25 years later, it has developed.
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Interviewer10:38
Perhaps to conclude: we know that the retail sector is going to undergo major changes. Two days ago, we had a theme on new agriculture; we see a return to short supply chains and traceability. There are new demands from citizens that will force you to disrupt your business model. How do you approach the fact that in the next five years, you may have to revise your strategy two or three times while keeping that constancy?
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Stéphane Maquaire11:15
Constancy obviously evolves with time. You have to return to humility, listen to the market, and amend accordingly. What you must avoid is a sharp turn left or right — saying 'I did that, now I stop.' When a new leader arrives and wants to completely change direction too quickly or without explanation, you end up with completely disoriented companies. What's important is to move gradually, adapting strategy while keeping the fundamentals. How can you make a 180-degree turn? That wastes a lot of time.
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Interviewer11:55
And finally, since Monique Canto reminded us that the audience is young and may want to bypass the grandes écoles and start immediately, to undertake, even though parental voices or advice say 'absolutely not because there is a risk of failure,' what advice would you give to young people?
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Stéphane Maquaire12:25
There are many ways to succeed in France; you can undertake. There is the status of auto-entrepreneur today. Listening and benevolence must exist in both directions. I am also a parent of three children, partly now adults, and I can say you can be a bit overwhelmed by events and adapt to today's training methods, which have evolved. But once again, if you're sure of yourself and want to create a company, for example, you have to go for it. Don't fear failure. Once you decide, go all the way. Thank you. I'd like to conclude with a fantastic quote by Mark Twain, which I think will resonate: 'They didn't know it was impossible, so they did it.' Thank you very much.