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Mark Heine
Chief Executive Officer (Board of Management), Fugro N.V.

Fugro N V FURGF CEO Mark Heine on Q4 2019 Results

🎥 Feb 13, 2020 📺 Daily Earnings Calls ⏱ 113m 👁 44 views
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About Mark Heine

Mark Heine, CEO of Fugro, discussed the company's exposure to U.S. offshore wind policy during a June 2025 podcast, stating that the company had 170 million euros in revenue from U.S. wind farms and that a sudden policy shift against such projects created significant uncertainty, potentially costing 7% of Fugro's revenue. He also described Fugro's core work as mapping objects on the seabed, including damaged items, and noted that the company does not build weapons. In earlier appearances, Heine spoke about leadership and corporate strategy. In a 2022 podcast, he described his approach to leadership as emphasizing teamwork, vulnerability, and admitting mistakes, and he stressed the importance of making conscious decisions to increase female representation in management. During a 2020 results presentation, he noted that Fugro had completed a refinancing of its capital structure and was working toward a group margin target of 8 to 12 percent by the 2021-2023 period.

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Transcript (35 segments)
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Host0:00
Welcome everyone, here in the room and via webcast to our analyst meeting for 2019. As usual, I'm joined by Paul Verhaeghe. We'll cover the 2019 results, market and strategy update, and the outlook. First, the highlights.
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Mark Heine0:39
This was a second year of continued revenue growth and margin expansion, with revenue up 5% from the prior year and core activities delivering positive. The backlog grew 14% on top of last year's 20% growth. Cash flow improved from the core business. We completed a comprehensive refinancing to extend our maturity profile. Key financials for 2019: revenue growth, EBIT margin of 1.2 to 2.0% for core activities, though land site characterization lagged. Regionally, Europe, Africa, and the Middle East saw strong performance, while the Americas had mixed results. Our markets: oil and gas (50% of revenue) is recovering but clients are cautious; offshore wind is rapidly growing, driven by sustainability; infrastructure benefits from urbanization and climate adaptation. Client diversification is strong. Our services support safe, sustainable development: site characterization, geo-data analysis, remote operations via ROV and digital solutions. We are investing in technology like remote operations centers and lidar mapping for vegetation management. The land business business is being restructured—it underperformed, and we are cutting commoditized work to focus on higher-value integrated projects and technology. We reviewed the non-core portfolio: in December we agreed to sell 10% of Seabed Solutions, and we are divesting from Global Marine, with a deal expected in Q1 2020 for about 30 million euros. We remain committed to divesting non-core assets. Overall, our strategy is focused on profitable growth, one-company culture, and leveraging expertise in high-growth markets like offshore wind and infrastructure.
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Paul Verhaeghe29:25
Thank you, Mark. Now the key financials: revenue growth driven by core activities, margin improvement, net result positive excluding specific items. Free cash flow from core activities was 50 million euros, with net debt of 575 million and a comfortable liquidity position. Revenue by region: Europe and Africa very strong, Americas modest growth, Asia Pacific declined slightly. Marine site characterization grew well, while land site characterization declined. We saw good performance in Europe, Africa, and the Middle East, but the Americas had a challenging first half. Overall, the balance sheet is solid from the refinancing and divestments.
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Mark Heine34:31
Discussed vessel downtime and business improvements, noting that some downtime is part of the business but will be reduced. Addressed revenue decline in certain regions, profitability improvements, and cash flow performance. Explained refinancing plans and the strategy update. Emphasized the sustainability roadmap, people business, and outlook for 2020 with targets of 8-12% EBIT margin and sustained free cash flow. Opened for questions.
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Paul Verhaeghe55:30
Question about fleet utilization, the vessel in the Middle East, book value, and the impact of IFRS 16 on potential sales.
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Mark Heine56:20
Addressed vessel utilization, noting it is not at the desired level but there is room for improvement. Discussed the fair value range for the vessel held for sale, supported by external advice, and that the decision depends on market conditions. Also covered the impact of IFRS 16 and the valuation process.
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Paul Verhaeghe1:02:12
Question about capex breakdown between maintenance and growth, especially in marine versus new technology. Also asked about the fleet of the future and sustainability, and the outlook for profitability in the second half.
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Mark Heine1:03:55
Explained that growth capex is primarily focused on new technology and software development, but cannot give an exact split due to competitive sensitivity. Discussed the roadmap for autonomous vessels and remote operations, emphasizing the combination of technology and expertise. Mentioned winning an AI competition. Addressed the sustainability roadmap and remote control center. Also discussed the valuation of the seabed business and the fair value range. Concluded with plans for capex and cash flow.
Discussing maintenance governance and covenants. The current market is calm and light, mostly in cash. We have a positive leverage on maintenance covenants. The financing will give precise details. It's important to note that it's very calm and light.
Regarding the fleet, first and foremost, we believe our vessels are still quite young, average 12 years. Some are five or six years old. They are high quality and built according to new standards, diesel-electric. We see a shift towards more remote solutions and smaller assets where possible. This is aligned with our thinking, but it will move gradually. We will still use vessels for particular work, but also short-term charters to surf the markets.
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Analyst1:21:46
Thank you for taking my question. My first question is for Paul about cashflow generation in 2020. You say the goal is to generate sustainable free cash flow. How can you be certain that you will generate material free cash flow in 2020 given that capex increases and working capital may grow significantly?
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Paul Verhaeghe1:22:25
Capex is expected to be somewhat higher than this year, around 10 million. Interest costs are expected to increase as well. But we believe improvement will come from home improvement in profit. Marine should continue its journey. We are at the beginning of 2013 levels. We will not yet reach 69% in 2020, but we are making steps. Working capital focus on receivables and professionalizing settings. We are stepping up professional teams to improve working capital.
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Analyst1:24:00
You mentioned in the presentation that you have 36 million on top line. That is relatively small. What is the impact on margins? You think it's typically a half percent impact. Anything else small?
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Paul Verhaeghe1:25:01
Marine and inland sea, asset integrity. Given the large improvement in margin, we see room for further improvement. Europe and Africa are doing well, Americas still negative impact but break-even. Middle East at 2%. Every region has challenges and opportunities. We are pleased with the improvement in machinery and business. The journey continues. We are working hard to turn around asset integrity. There is absolute room to further improve. We focus on pricing and project selection. The focus during the downturn was on keeping assets busy, now we are changing to improve margins.
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Analyst1:28:21
Question about financing and the revolver. Can you say anything about the logical order of the guidance? Why not be a bit more specific about the guidance? It's quite easy to see that leisure sales will be when you stick to capturing market opportunities and driving margins.
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Mark Heine1:29:24
The guidance is not a hard code. It is not related to dividend resumption. The leverage is not related to your pleasure. We need to get to a sustainable level. It is important to pay down debt. The dividend resumption will come when we have the opportunity. The timeline is logical. Once you see it happening, you will understand. We are comfortable with our financing.
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Analyst1:31:41
Question about margins and where to find potential for each of the two oceans. Can you say for marine and asset integrity, what are the margins for each region?
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Mark Heine1:32:18
We have not disclosed margins at business level for competitive reasons. The bulk of the business is around one billion. You can get a reasonable indication from the total profit of the region. In Europe, there is a good improvement. In the Americas, there is still a loss but less than before. In the Pacific, the business is a little bit comparative. We prefer not to be very precise. You will see some fluctuations. Some assets from Europe moved to the Americas, so the growth in America may come at the expense of Europe.
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Analyst1:35:57
Question about employee benefit and the new Fugro values. What is the purpose for 2020? Can you be specific about the goal to drive a stronger culture?
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Mark Heine1:36:15
We are looking at the guidance given by analysts. The first two months of the year have been much better than expected. We are working on company values and purpose-driven culture. We believe working together and innovation will benefit Fugro in the long term. Employees will enjoy their work more, and that will drive profitability. Teamwork can achieve ten times more than individuals. We are clear about that.
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Analyst1:37:12
Can you give an update on growth in 2019? Is it slowing down or still going 20% plus? Also about the pension deficit and interest rate development.
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Paul Verhaeghe1:37:27
You will see in the report that the pension deficit increased due to interest rate developments. We are working to bridge the gap. The majority of the deficit is from the UK. We are gradually bridging the gap.
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Analyst1:38:03
The sector consensus is that there is a necklace of other consensus. Can you comment on that? Also about the guidance for 2020.
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Mark Heine1:38:14
We would be careful. We have four reasons. We will develop and given the biggest challenges, we will deliver growth and improve margins. How quickly that will go depends. We publicly say that may be the case. We can give an indication of how management sees 2020. We are targeting 6% this year, but it could be higher.
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Analyst1:39:41
By the end of the year, how will you implement the new company values? What is the goal to drive a stronger culture?
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Mark Heine1:40:24
We are very specific about that. We will give you our budget for it. We are clear that teamwork and innovation will drive profitability. Employees will come with pleasure to work. That will drive profitability. We are convinced about that.
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Analyst1:40:46
I want to know how the year started compared to the preview. Also about nano drone technology.
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Mark Heine1:40:54
We stick to our guidance for the year. Nevertheless, you see a quick start. That is normal. We anticipate as best as we can for the flow in 2020.
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Analyst1:41:31
Question about margins and where to find potential for each of the two oceans. Can you say for marine and asset integrity, what are the margins for each region?
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Mark Heine1:42:10
We have not disclosed margins at business level. The bulk of the business is around one billion. You can get a reasonable indication from the total profit. In Europe, there is improvement. In the Americas, still loss but less. In the Pacific, comparative. We prefer not to be very precise. You will see fluctuations.
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Analyst1:44:55
Question about research spending in seven countries. Can you give any indication of the research ring light 15?
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Mark Heine1:45:09
We look at every red cell in the boards by service line and country and take action. We are managing operations. We can give an indication that every month we look at the data.
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Analyst1:45:51
Can you give any indication of the dividend? Or about the disclosure of regional numbers?
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Mark Heine1:46:02
The answer is similar to before. We will disclose at regional level. We look at it globally. We have a concrete plan. We will disclose numbers when the story works perfectly. We are very granular at country level, but we prefer not to disclose too much.
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Host1:48:07
I would like to thank you very much for your attendance. We will close the question moment. Thank you everybody online.