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Stefan Klebert
CEO & Chairman of the Executive Board, GEA Group AG

GEA Group Aktiengesellschaft GEAGF CEO Stefan Klebert on Q4 2019 Results

🎥 Mar 17, 2020 📺 Daily Earnings Calls ⏱ 64m 👁 54 views
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About Stefan Klebert

Stefan Klebert, CEO of GEA Group, has emphasized the company’s commitment to sustainability. In a March 2025 appearance, Klebert said that GEA has set targets to achieve climate neutrality by 2040, with a goal of reducing Scope 1 and 2 emissions by 60% from a 2019 baseline by 2026, and that the company was at a 58% reduction as of the time of his remarks. He stated that Scope 1, 2, and 3 emission reduction targets are included in executive board compensation, which he said he believed to be unique among German companies. He also noted that 98.4% of shareholders approved the company’s climate plan at the annual general meeting. Klebert said the company views sustainability as an obligation, not just a growth strategy. During the COVID-19 pandemic in early 2020, Klebert said GEA’s business in food, beverage, and pharmaceutical machinery would remain in demand regardless of the crisis, telling investors that “people need to eat and drink.” He expressed optimism about long-term trends in food production, citing population growth and urbanization. Klebert also said GEA works with customers on food safety, traceability, and energy efficiency, and described sustainability efforts as “a journey rather than a destination.” In earlier Davos interviews, he described GEA as a technology supplier focused on collaboration and reliability rather than low cost.

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Transcript (71 segments)
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Operator0:04
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the GEA Group full year 2019 conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, press star 1 on your telephone. Please note that the call is being recorded today, Tuesday, March 17, 2020. Without any further delay, let me introduce your first speaker today, Oliver Luckenbach.
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Oliver Luckenbach0:39
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thanks for joining us today for our full year and Q4 2019 conference call. My name is Oliver Luckenbach and I'm the new head of Investor Relations at GEA. I joined two weeks ago and I am, together with my team, very much looking forward to having a very successful relationship with you. With me on the call today are Stefan Klebert, our CEO, and Markus Quetta, our CFO. Stefan will begin today's call with the highlights in 2019, and Markus will then cover the financials before Stefan takes over again for the outlook 2020 and our key priorities. Afterwards, we will open up the call for the Q&A session. I would like to start the call by drawing your attention to the cautionary language included in our safe harbor statement. With that, I hand it over to you, Stefan. The floor is yours.
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Stefan Klebert1:47
Thank you very much, Oliver. Good afternoon to everybody on the call. It's my pleasure to welcome you to our conference call. Before I share my views on COVID-19, a topic that is top of mind for all of us, and its impact on our business later in the outlook section, let me start with our performance in 2019. I'm very pleased to say that 2019 was a year of strong progress for us, and we have delivered what we promised. First, we implemented a new organization structure and set up a new management team. We gave P&L responsibility to the divisions because we believe that taking it away from them was the main reason for the margin decline in the past. Second, we accelerated our restructuring process and reduced the number of FTEs by 400, half of the total expected by the end of 2020. Third, we achieved or even exceeded all financial targets, which makes us confident that we are on track to restore credibility in the capital markets. However, we know there are many more steps to come. Fourth, we set ourselves mid-term targets for 2022 and confirm them today despite the temporary challenges posed by the coronavirus outbreak, because we remain fully confident about the future growth prospects of GEA thanks to its healthy fundamentals and strong positioning in an attractive and generally growing industry. Fifth, we are on track with our portfolio pruning; at the end of November, we sold Klock Smith Engineering and expect more disposals to follow. All in all, we have set the grounds for long-term successful development of the GEA Group. Let me now come to Chart 5. I'm pleased to say we slightly exceeded our sales and ROS targets. Sales grew by 1.1% to 4.9 billion euro versus the initial guidance of a moderate decline, and ROS came in at 10.6%, slightly north of our forecasted range of 8.5% to 10.5%. Our operating result (EBITDA before restructuring measures) reached 479 million euro and was at the upper end of the guided range. This number includes around 40 million euro of negative non-recurring special charges. This very good performance, combined with strong free cash flow generation, is the basis for our decision to propose an unchanged dividend of 85 euro cents per share. On Chart 6, I want to share more information on full year 2019. Order intake increased by 0.3% to 4.93 billion euro, reaching a new record level. The book-to-bill ratio stood at 1.01. Sales growth of 1.1% was driven by strong services business, while new machine sales had a compensating effect. EBITDA before restructuring measures as I just discussed. Net loss amounted to 171 million euro, mainly due to higher restructuring charges and a goodwill impairment on our subsidiary Pavana. With that, I hand over to Markus to give you more details on the financial numbers.
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Markus Quetta6:17
Thank you, Stefan, and a warm welcome from my side. Let's continue on page eight with more details on order intake, sales, and book-to-bill ratio. Order intake in Q4 2019 increased by 9% to 1.34 billion, a new record volume for the fourth quarter. Growth came from business area Equipment where base and medium-sized orders were higher than in Q4 2018, and business area Solutions also developed nicely, driven by large orders. Sales declined by 2.4% while service sales continued to grow; new machine sales were down 4.6% year-over-year. The weakness in new machines came from both business areas. At Equipment, dairy farming had difficult market conditions in the US. At Solutions, new machines were almost flat; strong growth in beverage and utilities was compensated by negative impact in food, chemical, and some service sales. Service sales grew by 2.5%, with Solutions growing a bit stronger as price increases there were carried out a bit later during the year. Overall, order intake was very solid in Q4 2019, driven by the service business while new machine sales growth lagged. On page 9, service business in Q4 grew by 2.5% to a new record level, accounting for 32.7% of total sales, compared to 31.1% last year. Pricing contributed around 2.5% to sales growth. Our high-margin service business continued to grow. On page 10, EBITDA and EBIT and ROCE. As you are aware, from 2019 onwards, IFRS 16 has an effect on EBITDA and EBIT. Q4 EBITDA came to 150 million euro, down from 157 million last year. There were two effects: first, an IFRS 16 effect of 18 million which did not exist in Q4 2018; second, headwind from special effects of 16 million net expenses. These two effects netted to only 2 million. EBIT declined from 97 to 93 million euro, the decline less pronounced than at EBITDA level due to expiring purchase price amortization expenses. ROCE slightly improved quarter-over-quarter; year-over-year it is still down due to a decrease in last 12 months EBIT and an increase in capital employed from phasing in of IFRS 16. On page 11, the full year EBITDA bridge: starting point is 539 million euro from the old definition. We adjust for IFRS 16 impact and other items. Volume contributed positively with 27 million, new machines negatively with 43 million, while services with 53 million positive overcompensated. At Solutions, new machines contributed negatively by 17 million, but this includes 21 million of costs from the backlog review we conducted. Without this, margin development would have been positive. R&D and SG&A personal expenses increased, showing the need for our headcount reduction. FX was a tailwind from the US dollar. Excluding special items and FX, underlying EBITDA was 501 million, so operationally the gap year-over-year was only 15 million. On page 12, net working capital improved year-over-year by 65 million, ratio now at 14.0%, down 155 basis points. The improvement came mainly from reduced trade receivables and increased trade payables. Inventories remained flat. We are at the upper end of the targeted range but we are not done; further improvements will come. On page 13, cash flow: starting from EBITDA of 150 million, net working capital improvement in Q4 contributed 250 million cash from reduction in inventories and increase in payables. Cash out for restructuring was 30 million. Other items included pension outflows and IFRS 16 effects. Operating cash flow was 372 million, capex 59 million, leading to free cash flow of 308 million. After IFRS 16 repayments and interest, net cash flow was +287 million. Net financial debt of 263 million at end of Q3 reversed to a net cash position of 28 million at end of Q4. On page 14, financing and liquidity: GEA is solidly funded with a diversified financing structure. The solid cash generation led to lower utilization of bilateral credit lines. The decline in equity is explained by negative net income due to restructuring and goodwill impairment. The rating leverage stands at 2.9x according to Moody's, improved sequentially from 3.1x. We are committed to our investment grade rating and there is limited headroom for further leverage. Overall, GEA remains in a solid financial situation. Now back to Stefan.
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Stefan Klebert17:43
Thank you very much, Markus. Now, continuing on page 16, I want to share our current view on the COVID-19 situation. While the situation in China apparently eased, we anticipate further impact in other regions, especially in Europe and the US. It is hard to reasonably forecast the direct and indirect economic impact. However, we anticipate effects on global supply chains and rebalancing. In China, all our sites resume work as per government permissions and are running. So far, we have not experienced any significant impact on our supply chain, but we already put mitigation efforts in place. It is getting more difficult for our service staff to visit customers due to travel restrictions. The guidance I will talk about reflects our best guess as of last Thursday. We have put in place a global task force that assesses the situation daily, develops mitigation actions, and ensures health and safety of our employees, which remains the company's number one priority. We implemented travel restrictions and will continue to protect our employees. While I cannot tell you when we will be back to normal, I am sure this situation will be temporary. Now I turn to our outlook for 2020, which reflects the current situation. In a normal environment, we would expect sales slightly above the 4.9 billion achieved in 2019. However, assuming a certain impact from COVID-19, we guide for a slight decline in sales for 2020. Despite this, we are confident to achieve an EBITDA before restructuring measures in the range of 430 to 480 million for the following reasons: first, last year we had non-recurring special effects of around 40 million which we do not expect to repeat to the same extent; second, we expect to benefit from an increase in operational efficiency driven by further FTE reductions; third, we assume a positive contribution from our new global procurement and supply chain organization. Lastly, ROS is expected to be in a range between 9% and 11%. I close with our roadmap for 2020. Our key priorities are: first, manage the impact of COVID-19 internally and on operations; second, push to realize savings from the new procurement organization; third, reduce workforce by another 400 FTEs (total 800 by end of 2020, full-year effect around 600 FTEs); fourth, continue to increase operational efficiency; fifth, divest earmarked low margin businesses. We are confident that achieving these priorities will be another step to further restore credibility in the capital markets. I want to highlight our divisional strategy day at the end of June in London where you can expect a deep dive into our five new divisions. With that, I hand back to Oliver for the Q&A session.
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Oliver Luckenbach22:45
Thank you very much, Stefan and Markus, for the prepared remarks. We will now start the Q&A. Operator, please open the line.
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Operator23:00
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To cancel, press the hash key. Again, star 1 to ask a question. Our first question is from the line of Klas Bergenj.
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Klas Bergenj23:22
Thank you. Yes, I have a couple of questions. First, in your guidance of slight revenue decline, how much of this is protected by the backlog in solutions versus equipment? The lower end scenario of 430 million EBITDA if no new orders come in from March onwards feels difficult to achieve.
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Stefan Klebert24:03
Klas, regarding equipment, we have an order backlog of 770 million at the end of December, and solutions have a backlog of 1.7 billion. The equipment backlog typically turns over in about six months.
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Klas Bergenj24:30
So 770 million is for invoicing in equipment and roughly a six-month duration? Yes, understood. My second question is on your savings of 25 million for 2020. If I back out, assuming revenues fall slightly, operational gearing seems around 3-4%. Is that correct? Also, have you assumed any price pressure in your guidance?
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Stefan Klebert25:39
We have not baked in any price pressure in our sales figures yet. The biggest challenge might be on the service side rather than equipment, due to travel restrictions affecting service visits.
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Klas Bergenj26:17
When we met in November, you mentioned most of the service business is still spare parts. Can you help us understand how much is service contracts? So we can model potential delays from travel restrictions.
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Markus Quetta26:52
Service is about 50% spare parts, but they need to be installed, so it's not just over-the-counter. Service contracts are around 20% of service revenue.
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Klas Bergenj27:19
And the 25 million savings from procurement versus headcount reduction – can you break that down?
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Markus Quetta27:50
For 2020, we expect a full-year effect of 600 FTEs from the headcount reduction. The 25 million includes both procurement savings and the tail end of the 800 FTE program. Procurement savings are around 25 million as part of that.
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Klas Bergenj28:16
One last question: your footprint in Europe – where are you most exposed? We see shutdowns in France, Italy, etc. Can you rank your blue-collar exposure by country?
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Stefan Klebert28:52
Our biggest number of blue-collar workers is in Germany by far. We also have presence in Kaiserslautern, Everland, France, and Italy. In Italy, despite the traumatic COVID situation, all our factories are still fully operational.
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Klas Bergenj29:40
Thank you.
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Operator29:42
Next question is from the line of Lucy Carrier.
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Lucy Carrier29:46
Good afternoon. I have a couple of questions. First, on the dividend and AGM: any risk of delay due to COVID-19? Also, can you confirm all your factories in Italy and across Europe are running despite confinement measures?
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Stefan Klebert30:23
We have not made a final decision yet on postponing the AGM, currently scheduled for April 30. We are monitoring the situation. We have not contemplated a dividend cut. All our factories in Italy and across Europe are running. Blue-collar shops are all operational. The main challenge is getting service technicians on site due to travel restrictions. We are using creative solutions like sending technicians at night.
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Lucy Carrier32:35
And maybe moving away from coronavirus, can you comment on the latest trends in your key markets before the outbreak? Any delays in customer decisions?
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Stefan Klebert33:01
We had a quite good start to the year in January and February, so we are optimistic for Q1 at least. However, the situation is dynamic. Remember, our customers produce food and beverages – people need to eat and drink. More people staying at home might increase demand for processed food, which could positively impact our customers in the medium and long term. So our long-term market trends are intact.
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Lucy Carrier34:25
Thank you.
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Operator34:30
Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Ville Sita.
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Ville Sita34:35
Hello, good afternoon. A couple of questions. First, can you give us any indication of the underlying assumption for European or global growth in your guidance? Is it just the impact of supply chain disruption?
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Markus Quetta35:17
We said revenues will be slightly lower than last year. We expect a slowdown due to coronavirus, but our end markets are intact. Over the next years, assuming COVID settles, we see at least 3% growth as per our market guidance. We have not specified the breakdown.
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Ville Sita36:15
And on current trading, did I understand correctly that you haven't seen any impact on February order intake from COVID?
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Stefan Klebert36:24
Not yet, no.
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Ville Sita36:28
Can you confirm that your debt covenants are based only on financial debt and not on EBITDA or IFRS 16?
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Markus Quetta36:46
Yes, they are based on financial debt and pension liabilities only.
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Ville Sita36:56
And regarding authorized capital measures from last year's AGM, do you think it's a good idea to increase those?
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Stefan Klebert37:12
We will propose renewal of expiring measures at the AGM. That will be included in the invitation.
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Ville Sita37:26
Thank you.
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Operator37:30
Next question is from the line of Sebastian Groh.
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Sebastian Groh37:34
Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. First, on the bridge from 2019 to 2020: you mentioned 40 million non-recurring items, so the starting point is more like 520? Can you give us a sense of your assumptions on service revenue decline and wage inflation?
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Markus Quetta38:29
Starting from EBITDA of 479, we had 41 million of special items. In 2020, we do not expect that amount of one-time effects. We have 26 million in procurement savings and from 600 FTEs around 25 million savings. On the other side, we had positive FX of 20 million last year, which we need to deduct. We expect salary increases of around 26 million. Then we have a corona effect estimated in different scenarios plus a risk buffer. That leads to a midpoint of 455 million. If we achieve all price increases, we can go to the upper end around 480; if corona worsens and service is affected, we could be at the lower end of 430. No specific assumption on service revenue decline is baked in.
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Sebastian Groh40:18
On the service element, can you stress test it? Are you planning service revenues down this year or flat?
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Markus Quetta41:41
We expected steady prices plus inflation adjustments. Corona might hold us back from price increases this year. Wage inflation is around 26 million total.
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Sebastian Groh42:13
On Pavana, the margin freefall suggests further layoffs may be needed. Are there further provisions coming?
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Markus Quetta42:47
We are working on efficiency at Pavana. The 800-headcount program includes some there. We will have restructuring charges of around 50-60 million this year. Nothing extraordinary at Pavana; it's a workable company, just needs margin focus.
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Sebastian Groh43:22
Thank you.
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Operator43:34
Next question is from the line of Sebastian Zuber.
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Sebastian Zuber43:40
Good afternoon. Many questions answered, but one: with schools closed in Germany, how does your blue-collar workforce come to work? Any impact on productivity?
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Stefan Klebert44:15
All our factories are running worldwide. We do not expect significant impact on blue-collar work. White-collar staff are working from home where possible. Our IT infrastructure is good, so limited impact. The biggest challenge is the service business, and over a longer period, if we need to install equipment at customer sites, access may be limited. For now, we are still operating well, but the situation is volatile.
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Sebastian Zuber45:35
And regarding the new organizational structure, will we get additional data like backlog by division at the capital markets day?
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Stefan Klebert45:56
We will disclose more information at the capital market day in June. We just started the reorganization, so numbers will be clearer mid-year.
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Sebastian Zuber46:35
Thank you.
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Operator46:38
Next question is from the line of Akash Gupta.
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Akash Gupta46:40
Good morning. Two questions. First, on project business: are there risks of penalties or liquidated damages if you have delays due to COVID?
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Stefan Klebert47:13
We have local contractors and force majeure clauses. Everybody knows the situation. So far, no negative impact.
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Akash Gupta47:26
Second, on IT and capex investments this year: do you have flexibility to delay if needed?
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Markus Quetta47:48
We don't see the need to delay. We already bought necessary licenses last year; this year is more about implementation. We have no liquidity shortage and no material revenue deviation yet. We are monitoring closely but currently executing on our IT strategy.
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Akash Gupta48:40
Thank you.
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Operator48:45
Again, if you wish to ask a question, press star 1. Next question is from the line of Lars Larsen.
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Lars Larsen48:54
Thank you. Hi Stefan and Markus. A few questions. First, on service: can you quantify the impact of travel restrictions? For example, service visits in Italy vs last year?
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Stefan Klebert49:40
I cannot give that detailed answer. We are monitoring daily. So far, the impact is very limited, but governments are tightening measures. The faster we are all consistent, the sooner we get through this. Our teams are doing a good job handling the crisis.
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Lars Larsen51:44
On your COVID sensitivity table in the annual report, you categorise it as moderate risk with a 22-70 million impact. Wouldn't it be higher now? Also, what was your pre-COVID guidance?
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Markus Quetta52:44
Pre-COVID, we would have expected revenue up and higher EBITDA and ROCE guidance. Regarding the risk matrix, we see the impact in the range we guided; we do not see it exceeding 120 million. Hence the 430-480 range. We are monitoring.
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Lars Larsen53:58
On working capital: you did well in Q4. Are you seeing stress in smaller end markets like oil and gas and shipping?
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Markus Quetta54:33
So far, no stress seen, but there may be a lag. We are monitoring closely.
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Lars Larsen55:05
Thank you.
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Operator55:17
The last question is from the line of Felix Bismarck.
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Felix Bismarck55:21
Two more questions. First, are you proceeding with the divestments you announced? Second, have you baked in any recovery in Q3 or Q4, or is the negative impact assumed for the full year?
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Markus Quetta55:53
We are still going forward with investments, but monitoring private equity interest. So far, pursuing as planned. For recovery, we have not baked in any; the range accounts for different scenarios with the upper end including potential recovery.
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Felix Bismarck56:55
Do you have a similar range for revenue growth?
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Markus Quetta57:04
No, we said slightly lower, which is around 0% to -5% decline. We don't have a specific range for recovery.
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Felix Bismarck57:20
Thank you.
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Operator57:27
There are no further questions.
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Oliver Luckenbach57:29
If there are no further questions, let me make some final remarks. I think 2019 was a strong year for GEA where we changed many things. We established a completely new organization, changed a lot of people in the management team, and are now in a setup that allows us to steer and control the company much better. Above all, whether there is corona or not, people need to eat and drink, and that is our business. We produce machinery and processes for customers producing food, beverages, and pharmaceuticals. The long-term trend for our industry is brilliant. We will use the time to do our homework: manage the corona crisis, protect our people, and limit the negative impact. Medium to long term, this is an excellent market. Thank you for participating. If you have further questions, please contact the IR team. Talk to you soon. Bye bye.
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Operator59:33
This concludes our conference for today. Thank you all for participating. You may all disconnect.