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Giovanni Caforio
Chair of the Board of Directors, Novartis

2016 WMIF | Fireside Chat: Giovanni Caforio, MD, CEO, Bristol-Myers Squibb

🎥 Apr 27, 2016 📺 World Medical Innovation Forum ⏱ 31m
Introduction by: Thomas Lynch, MD, CEO, Mass General Physician's Organization Moderator: Meg Tirrell, Biotech and Pharma ...
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Transcript (34 segments)
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Meg0:03
Thank you very much. It is my delight and pleasure to introduce our next panelist and next member of our fireside chat. As we learned yesterday, innovation happens everywhere. This forum on innovation is about where ideas start. Ideas start in laboratories at Massachusetts General Hospital, Brigham and Woman's Hospital, Dana-Farber, Boston Children's, Beth Israel – that's where ideas start. They're nurtured by some of the best biotech companies in the world, located here in Boston and throughout the country. Often they take form in products made by some of the best big pharma companies that bring medicines to patients in broad markets. I am delighted to introduce the CEO of one of the big pharma companies who has chosen to move a significant portion of R&D to Boston – Dr. Giovanni Caforio of Bristol-Myers Squibb. Giovanni received his MD from the University of Rome, began his career at Abbott in Europe, joined BMS in 2000, ran the business in Italy, became involved in oncology, and understands the importance of bringing new drugs to patients. He became president of the U.S. oncology division, chief commercial officer in 2013, and in May 2015 was named CEO of Bristol-Myers Squibb. I have served on Giovanni's board and watched him lead with a keen eye for innovation, value, and better drugs for patients.
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Giovanni Caforio2:26
Good afternoon everyone. Good afternoon Meg. I'll keep my comments really short because I look forward to the Q&A. I want to thank the organizers for inviting me. It's a really important time. From my perspective, we've never been closer to finding meaningful cures for patients with many types of cancers. I'd like to comment on three topics: the importance of keeping the patient at the center, following the science, and the critical role of partnerships between industry and academia. These are central to our work at BMS in immuno-oncology. A few months ago, my leadership team met a 31-year-old Indian actress who was diagnosed with Hodgkin lymphoma six years ago. She didn't respond to the first five lines of therapy, but five years later she enrolled in a clinical trial with one of our immuno-oncology medicines and had an 80% regression. She started acting again. She reminded us that she was in 80%, not 100% remission, so we needed to keep going. As proud as we are of the progress, there is still a lot to be done. The second concept: following the science. Years ago, when we began working on one of our immuno-oncology molecules, we recognized that patients who appeared to be progressing were actually pseudo-progressors. We worked to change response criteria. Fast forward, Opdivo had five phase three trials stopped early due to overall survival. The third point: collaboration. We partnered with Medarex, created an international immuno-oncology network with key academic institutions, and a network of community-based oncologists. These principles – patient centricity, following the science, collaboration – have been critical. We are focused on advancing combinations of immunotherapy, have one approved regimen, and invested in eight new molecules in early development. I want to close by noting our patient's comment that medicines should be affordable and reach a broad population. It's an exciting time, but I think primarily about the patients we are not helping yet. Thank you.
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Meg8:18
Well that was fascinating. As you can see by all my note-taking on your comments, can you start by pronouncing your name for us? Giovanni Caforio. I just love it. Okay, I want to start by going back to how you got into medicine. Tell us about your history, how you got into this field in the first place.
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Giovanni Caforio8:42
For me, when I think about it, it's the telephone calls from patients calling my dad, who was a physician, during lunchtime and dinner at home. I was never told I had to be a physician, but it was in the water and the air. That's one reason I have such a clear focus on patients.
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Meg10:13
You did become a physician. How long did you practice before moving to industry?
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Giovanni Caforio10:19
I moved to industry and R&D right away. I was in an oncology unit as I completed medical school, and those were the days when good clinical practices were beginning. I wanted to be involved in developing new medicines and decided to work for a pharmaceutical company for one year before going back to the hospital, but 28 years later I'm still here.
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Meg10:50
What was it about industry that appealed to you and kept you there versus going back to being a doctor?
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Giovanni Caforio10:59
I never felt I was further away from patients because of the work I've done. The ability to see the full scope from discovering to developing and delivering medicines to patients is fascinating. I enjoy it every day.
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Meg11:01
Let's talk about Opdivo because it's such an exciting drug. Where would you say we are in the revolution of immunotherapy? How much further can we go?
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Giovanni Caforio11:04
If you look at the last 18 months, it's an extraordinary story. A new medicine with a different mechanism of action approved in five new indications across three tumor types, all phase three studies showing overall survival in a little over 12 months. I remember when we worked on Yervoy for metastatic melanoma – a 10-15% probability of being alive after one year. Now with our combination regimen, 69% overall survival at two years. We are just at the beginning. It's about taking immuno-oncology to tumors like head and neck cancer and Hodgkin lymphoma, investigating combination therapies, and understanding the tumor microenvironment. It's a source of pride and a big responsibility.
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Meg13:19
Tell us about the development path for Opdivo. You were collaborating with an outside company. How did that work, and what decisions as CEO did you have to make to put resources there at the expense of other things?
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Giovanni Caforio13:34
I wasn't CEO then, but we saw a confluence of our deep knowledge in oncology and focus on immunology. The partnership with Medarex had a strong scientific fit. We recognized it was high-risk – there was skepticism about immuno-oncology a few years ago. We understood it might not work, but if it did, it would be transformational. That's why we pushed the button. We eventually acquired Medarex, and 95% of the original scientists are still there, and the site has tripled in size.
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Meg15:57
How do you make sure you give the right resources to something that can be a game-changer while diversifying enough so that if that fails you don't crater?
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Giovanni Caforio16:09
It's a good point. We have a clear focus on oncology, but we also invest in areas where we have leading science to diversify. We let scientists tell us the best path forward, and we have a disciplined process to progress programs stepwise. That's why our R&D organization has been so productive.
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Meg17:16
Tell us about these eight new molecules in early development. What are some of the most exciting new approaches you're working on?
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Giovanni Caforio17:25
The combination of Yervoy and Opdivo sets a high bar. We are focusing new combinations on patients who don't respond to current agents, those who progress rapidly, and tumors where we haven't seen major progress. We are beginning to understand the tumor microenvironment. Many of our eight new molecules are early-stage, and we've done a lot of partnerships. We need to think differently about traditional phase one-two-three development because science is moving so fast. We're investing most in translational research to identify the most promising combination signals.
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Meg19:57
What do you mean exactly by translational research?
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Giovanni Caforio20:03
We have an international immuno-oncology network with academic institutions. They do basic research on the tumor microenvironment, help develop animal models, and we analyze tissue and blood samples from previous trials to confirm hypotheses. The goal is to have a deeper understanding of how science correlates with clinical findings to move more targeted into expensive phases of development.
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Meg21:08
Could you talk about how you approach partnerships with smaller biotechs versus academia? What do you look for in each?
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Giovanni Caforio21:15
We have a long history of partnerships; many of our most important medicines were partnered early. We look for strong scientific collaboration, where two companies together can accelerate a program better than alone. There are complexities, but we let scientists create a collaborative environment. We've developed alliance management capabilities, but it starts with respect for the science.
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Meg22:44
We talk a lot about pricing. As you combine these drugs, are you looking at alternative models for how they get priced and paid for?
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Giovanni Caforio23:01
We definitely look at it. If a new medicine doesn't reach a patient due to access barriers, it won't generate a positive outcome. The increasing cost of healthcare requires attention. We work with regulators, payers, and providers. Medicines are 10% of the cost; we need to work on the other 90%. We're open to different payment models and need more flexibility, especially for combinations. Our system in the U.S. is fairly rigid.
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Meg24:42
Many wonder if every player has to own every piece of a combination to figure out new pricing models. For example, if you partner with another company whose drug costs $100,000 a year and yours is $100,000, how do you decide to combine and take less for each? Do you agree you have to have every portion of a combo in-house?
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Giovanni Caforio25:00
Having both medicines in a combination is an advantage – you can develop them faster, understand both, and have better discussions with payers. But it would be a mistake to focus entirely on that assumption. Science comes first. If the best combination requires two companies, we want to work on that too.
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Meg26:29
How do you think about biomarkers as an important tool in drug development?
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Giovanni Caforio26:34
I think about it as a really important tool. Years ago, people said we were going against the wave of personalized medicine because immuno-oncology is broader. From the beginning, we focused on a solid biomarker program with every trial. Our ability to identify meaningful biomarkers is just beginning. As science matures, segmentation and biomarkers will become more important.
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Meg27:50
How would you characterize our understanding of why patients don't respond to immunotherapy? How close are we?
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Giovanni Caforio27:58
We're just at the beginning. We will move quickly, but we're at the beginning.
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Meg28:09
Have you identified partners or academic groups focused on this? Does it seem like a fruitful area of research?
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Giovanni Caforio28:15
Many groups around the world are focused on immuno-oncology. We invested in a research facility here in Boston and increased our presence in the Bay Area because proximity enables cooperation. A few years ago there was skepticism; now there is enthusiasm, providing resources to progress more quickly.
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Meg29:21
In your opening remarks you used the word 'cure.' How do you think about cures in cancer? What does that look like now?
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Giovanni Caforio29:28
We always think about cure, but become concerned about using the word. Patients treated with Yervoy 10 years ago are still alive – you could call them cured. Responses to immunotherapy are long-lasting. But we are at the beginning of understanding when to stop therapy and re-challenge. There's no definitive answer yet.
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Meg30:53
I think that's our time. Giovanni, thank you so much.
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Giovanni Caforio30:54
Thank you, Meg. Thank you.