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Herbert Eibensteiner
Chief Executive Officer (Chairman of the Management Board), voestalpine AG

Voestalpine AG VLPNF CEO Herbert Eibensteiner on Q4 2020 Results

🎥 Jun 02, 2020 📺 Daily Earnings Calls ⏱ 102m
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About Herbert Eibensteiner

Herbert Eibensteiner, CEO of voestalpine, spoke at the 2024 Industriekongress about the geopolitical challenges facing European industry. He stated that European regulation has prioritized the Green Deal over industrial policy and competitiveness, and argued that the European Central Bank’s interest rate measures have been effective in slowing the economy. He also noted that the war in Ukraine and instability in the Middle East have disrupted energy supplies and shipping routes, increasing costs and delivery times for European companies. In earlier appearances, Eibensteiner discussed the company’s strategy of adapting to external pressures through efficiency programs and investment in innovation. He described voestalpine’s focus on digitalization, artificial intelligence, and electric mobility as growth areas, and emphasized the importance of flexibility and speed in responding to market changes. During the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020, he reported that the company had taken impairment losses and provisions of 480 million euros, leading to a negative EBIT, and forecast an EBITDA between 600 million and 1 billion euros.

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Transcript (96 segments)
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Peter Velsbach0:01
Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to this first press conference on our balance sheet. Let us try to talk you through the period from April 1, 2019 to March 31, 2020, and also of course some outlook as to the future and the present period. I'm Peter Velsbach and I'm going to be your host. First of all, thank you very much for being here and listening. For us, this press conference is always a special event during our business year, and in this very special year there are shutdowns on all continents. It is a special year, and of course there has been a standstill and an emergency situation, and forecast is fraught with many uncertainties, of course due to the present situation. Also, in order to protect our health, we have a web stream, a virtual press conference this year. The program will be the same, the structure will be the same, and there will be answers to all your questions. You can find the media information and the presentation and the press photos and videos on our website voestalpine.com. The challenging economic environment of course hits voestalpine as well as a global player, and the CEO and his colleagues will have much more on this. And here, let me tell you who is here on the podium with us. Let me start from the left: we have Peter Schwab, head of Metal Forming Division; Franz Rotter, head of High Performance Metals Division; Robert Hotel, CFO; Herbert Eibensteiner, CEO; Franz Kenner Stuffer, head of Metal Engineering; and Hubert Zyejec, head of Steel Division. The press conference will last some 45 minutes, and after this you can of course ask your questions in English or in German. You will receive the phone patch and other data soon, and you can find these also on our website. The press conference will also be live streamed; there is a webcast, it's also being recorded, so you will always be on board. And that much as an introductory statement of mine. Let me hand over directly to the CEO of voestalpine AG, Mr. Herbert Eibensteiner. Over to you.
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Herbert Eibensteiner2:54
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to today's press conference covering the elapsed business year 2019/2020. We are going to share with you some insight into our highlights of the year. Let me get started by the economic situation. We all of course are hit by this crisis; you all know what this means. There are lockdowns in all countries. Now the situation is improving a little bit finally, but if you look back, we have to say that as early as last year, the start of this business year, the economy has been suffering, has been deteriorating, particularly caused of course by some trade wars. First, Europe was hit by these, and we had to see that in particular export-oriented industries had to accept clear downturns in the course of the year. China got worse and worse, the dynamic situation there got weaker and weaker, and we had to see also and accept that confidence of consumers went down, and the automotive industries and in particular local OEMs suffered from a clear and steep downturn. It is obvious that it's a bit hard to win trade wars, and the industry in the US had to live with this as well. In the course of the year the situation has deteriorated considerably. And here we have to add however that the service area until the end of the business year remained quite stable. A segment which remained really stable was South America, there in particular Brazil; Brazil posted solid development across the business year until before the eruption of COVID-19. Here you can see on the basis of the directions of the arrows that we saw a global downturn which is still ongoing obviously, and all fields of the economy were concerned towards the end of the business year. Last quarter, end of January early in February, we saw a slight recovery, and all of this then of course was entirely destroyed first in China by the lockdown due to the pandemic, and then the virus as we know spread into Europe, the US, and now presently into Brazil and South America in general. What then have been the reasons for this business downturn? You see it here: it's the global economic downturn obviously, and these global trade wars. There were tariffs, countermeasures, retaliation tariffs, and we have seen also that due to some other trade obstacles, the intensity in the worldwide business situation of course was clearly reduced. We have seen furthermore that the automotive industry with a very important global supply chain in the course of the year went down even more. And for the steel industry itself, particularly in Europe, we had to see that in the face of rising raw material prices and low steel prices getting even lower, there were some negative effects. When I say raw material prices, I mean particularly iron ore, and the iron ore price itself was of course driven by a very good demand in steel production in China. And after those first three quarters, in January and early in February, the business situation and economic situation was clearly hit by the COVID-19 pandemic, with the effects we can all see now: a worldwide global recession. How has all of this impacted us? The negative consequences particularly were impairment losses and provisions of 480 million euros, which also meant that our EBIT turned into the negative with a minus of 89 million euros. And we then decided quite fast to react to such environment and to put in place cash flow optimization and efficiency boosting programs. We reduced our investments considerably, we tried and are trying to reduce our inventory and optimize our cash flow. Here you see the main key figures of the business year in question. The revenue fell to 12.7 billion. The EBITDA, the operating result, we could achieve 1.2 billion euros, which wasn't that bad. As to the EBIT, we had of course the special impairment for the first time in December, then for the second time early in April due to the pandemic. The total headcount went down by some 4% to 49,700. And within the management board, we have decided to propose to the Annual General Meeting a dividend of 20 euro cents per share, and that is a reduction by some 80% year on year. First, I've been mentioning some measures we have introduced. What is their impact now? Due to the cost-cutting measures and the efficiency improvement measures, we have succeeded in achieving an operating result to the tune of 1.2 billion euros, and this is the EBITDA, which thus is clearly positive. And it's also positive to see that the cash flow from operating activities rises to 1.3 billion euros, and if you reduce this by investment expenditure we have a free cash flow of 588 million euros, which here again is better than the year before. All of this has been made possible by us successfully reducing the working capital and in particular inventory, and that to the tune of 434 million euros. Now, in a very difficult phase and also with a view to the next few months, it's very important to see that we still have an available liquidity amounting to 1.7 billion euros for the next business year. This chart here shows you how voestalpine fares when compared to international competitors. It's the EBITDA margin which is shown here. I'd like you to see that voestalpine is indicated by the dark blue line here, and you see that towards the end of the business year, that is in its last quarter, due to some positive development of EBITDA as well, we have been clearly better than our peers. Thank you very much indeed for listening to this first round, and now I'd like to hand back to Mr. Velsbach.
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Peter Velsbach12:32
Thanks indeed, Mr. Eibensteiner, for the first part of this presentation. The second part is for Robert Hotel, our CFO. He will speak about financial key figures and the gearing ratio. Thanks indeed, Mr. Velsbach.
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Robert Hotel12:48
Good morning also from my end. Welcome to our press conference on our revenue, earnings, and business year in general. What you see here on our chart is the overview of some key figures, and you see here that the revenue has gone down by more than 800 million. A key driver here: three quarters of this is of course reduced volume demanded by our customers. The next quarter of course of that was weak prices, because it's always hard to get good prices in such an environment. As to the operating result, our EBIT star, you also see a clear decline by 380 million. And to the same tune, we also see the impact of the reduced volume: 380 million euros here as well. In addition, you see this deterioration here, and this has resulted in a volume-based reduction of 200 million. Due to the measures described before—cost management and some countermeasures—a large part of this has been compensated, however. This here is what we see in the operating result. On this chart here, as to our EBIT, the profit from operations, you see for the first time a loss as it were, and such loss was mainly caused by the fact that we had to depreciate a lot—one-time impairments, mainly related to assets but also some property of the company. And such depreciation (not goodwill though) was also explained by the weak business situation towards the end of the business year. In the second step, this means a deterioration year on year of 870 million euros to our EBIT. The financial result is more or less stable, and the tax earnings for this year, that's an IFRS effect because losses can also be used, and so in the balance sheet they mean earnings. But nevertheless, this means a profit after tax of minus 216 million euros; that's the loss for the year, which also means that we have to clearly reduce our proposed dividend, which now amounts to 20 euro cents per share. What you see furthermore is that we had to reduce our headcount by more than 2,000 full-time equivalents. Austria versus abroad: that's well balanced, as is our headcount in total. This was of course our most difficult aspect which has accompanied us since early autumn: how could we reduce debt and unfreeze cash flow? Here you see what we have done and you see the causes. Because it became apparent that our net financial debt would go up towards the end of the year. This is due to a reduction of equity and an increase of the net financial debt, but both effects are almost exclusively caused by one-off effects because since the acquisition of Böhler in 2007/08, we have had some hybrid capital as part of our financing. This year, early this year, we had some 500 million, and such hybrid capital is equity according to IFRS. This year we replaced it by so-called senior debt, and so 500 million of equity got lost due to this transaction or conversion. A further effect is a dividend paid out of 240 million on the one hand, and of course also the negative annual surplus due to a weak economic situation, depreciations amounting to 216 million on the other hand. You see the net financial debt itself, which has gone up by 650 million euros here as well. The most part of this is this 500 million hybrid capital which was refinanced as normal net debt, and the second large chunk is the change in balance sheet regulations: IFRS 16 towards the end of the year, lease and long-term rent, in contrast to before, now has to be shown as assets in the book, and that amounts to 436 million. The dividend as well had to be financed by 240 million. Nevertheless, due to all our efforts, we have succeeded in not having more than 1 billion in terms of net financial debt, but only 650 million, which is due to the fact that in spite of the bad economic situation we had a free cash flow of 590 million euros. Without those non-recurring effects (hybrid refinancing and IFRS 16), the gearing ratio would have gone down even slightly to 46%. Nevertheless, we do know that 67% can't be our target, and in the ongoing business year we have to further improve this key figure.
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Peter Velsbach19:43
Thanks indeed, Mr. Hotel, for these explanations. And we now go over to the highlights from the four divisions. Let's start by the largest one, which is the Steel Division, and for that I hand over to its head, Mr. Zyejec.
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Hubert Zyejec20:15
Good morning. The key challenge for the Steel Division was that as early as the start of this year, we had reduced demand which was also linked to reduced steel prices, and all of that was combined with a very unfavorable development of raw materials prices. An example would be that the reference index for iron ore in the first half of the elapsed business year almost doubled. That of course had meant a price squeeze, the margin squeeze, and we had to try to counter this by some countermeasures to that price-cost ratio. Currently, we have had a last quarter of the business year which has been a bit better, and of course we were hit by the corona crisis as well. And we are already trying to implement an action package for overcoming the COVID-19 crisis. For instance, end of March, one of our small blast furnaces was taken out of operation in order to react flexibly to the changed demand. Nevertheless, in the elapsed business year we also dealt with new technologies, and one example here would be the steel strips you see that here we have some integrated conductive paths and sensors which are integrated in the steel already, and we have some prototypes already. For packaged containers, one can see automatically whether there are some parcels for instance on the shelf or not; can also be used in supermarkets. And last but not least, let me also mention that we have also started up the world's largest pilot plant for so-called green hydrogen. That was a very successful startup, and we are already in the preparatory phase for full operation of that plant. Thank you very much.
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Franz Rotter22:34
From my end, let me talk you through the highlights of the High Performance Metals Division. The High Performance Metals Division are working in markets related to high-speed steel and tool steel; that's some 50% of the total revenue. But oil and gas industry and aerospace are very important, amounting to some 10% each, and 10-15% in the field of consumables. We had very difficult developments in our industrial segments in the elapsed business year. In tool steel, in that business year elapsed, we had a deep decline in demand which we had to accept, which mainly was due to the development of the automotive industry, but also of course to some restrictions like trade restrictions in particular in the US based on anti-dumping and Section 232. On balance, this has meant that some 80% got lost year on year. In oil and gas and also in aerospace, in the first three quarters of the elapsed business year we were quite stable. Only in Q4 of that business year, due to aerospace situation and also due to COVID-19 towards the end of the business year, in these segments as well we have some downturn. A major element early in the COVID-19 crisis was the situation in China. Yet China towards the end of the business year could go back to some favorable result and there was a far-reaching market stabilization in that area. In oil and gas, it was particularly the oil price which has been a driving element for this development, and it was very volatile towards the end of the year, a volatility which then translated into some reduced investments of course by our target customers. A major stabilizing element in our division was the further development of our value-added service activities—that is the development of heat treatment, physical coating methods, and eventually also the further development of our expansion for metal additive manufacturing. In the meantime, we're having six locations globally in the US, Canada, Singapore, Taiwan, and China in this segment. And the basis of this development is high technology investments at Kapfenberg, Austria, and at Uddeholm in powder metallurgy in order to have an ongoing value chain in this segment. As early as mid this year, in total we had some cost-cutting measures and some measures in order to improve our operational excellence, that in order to react to this changing market environment. In spite of the efforts to adapt our investment to this market environment and be as parsimonious as possible, the major strategic investment of our division—that is the construction of the new special steel plant in Kapfenberg, Austria—has been kept and will be continued until 2021. It is a global technological benchmark, and this investment will certainly be continued accordingly. Thank you.
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Franz Kenner Stuffer26:38
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome from our end as well. I'm going to speak to the Metal Engineering Division in business year 2019/20. Let's get started by Railway Systems, where for the first time all railway infrastructure activities have been bundled into the system. The business year 19/20 across the board was characterized by solid order levels and a very good development of revenue and earnings in Europe, China, as well as Australia and India. But the North American railway systems market has also posted good revenue and good earnings. But we did not only have endogenous growth, but there is the second joint venture in China, we went into the mass transit sector, and we also had this successful localization in France—a small turnout company—so we expanded successfully. As well as two tracks, we had a novelty worldwide: that was a low maintenance track system for mixed traffic, and this new generation of tracks had been undergoing tests in the Channel for a long time and very favorably. Industrial Systems are the second part of my presentation. After these solid order levels in Railway Systems, Industrial Systems in 19/20 were in a definitely more difficult situation. The segments here are Wire, Seamless Tubes, and Welding Technology. All three segments in the first half year were in conformity with the budget and visited, but Wire and Seamless Tubes in the second quarter with some time offset had to face fierce and traditional competition, and then due to the COVID-19 pandemic there was a significant negative market change in the most important customer segments. In the field of Welding Technology, which in 19/20 until the end of the business year had posted a solid development, and we acquired the Italian welding machine maker Selco, and so we became a full service provider of welding machinery and technology. Thank you.
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Peter Schwab29:21
Ladies and gentlemen, the Metal Forming Division had a very challenging year. The weaker economy has led to lower revenue, particularly in the automotive sector. Let me here bring out in particular our core market of Germany, where the automotive production from 17 to 18 and from 18 to 19 had always gone down by 9% each time. And this was contrasted by a solid sale in trucks, and buses, trailers were a bit better, and in renewables in the solar industry we had quite good figures as well, and also in construction except for the UK where, starting early in 2020, there was a clear weakening due to Brexit. There is still a very robust trend in automated storage technology driven by a clear trend towards e-commerce and same-day delivery, so there is more and more automated storage technology. You see here on the screen what such a storage system can look like: through design, construction, manufacturing, and also setting up of such steel constructions. As an example of innovation, I have a laser-welded multi-material special strip product. What does it look like? You see it here: there is steel and copper linked by a laser weld; it's more or less an endless system, then it's coiled on reels and then it's punched here at the customer's end, and then such components are made of it. These components have special properties: copper is very soft, but its conductivity is excellent; it's high-strength steel in other components, but conductivity is integral there. So these components can be used for plugs for instance: copper for the contact because of its excellent electrical conductivity. This innovation is now being placed on the market, and some minor revenue has already been earned from that.
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Peter Velsbach32:01
Thanks indeed for these short presentations. And before our outlook, maybe some housekeeping remarks for you. We will start our Q&A session. So here you see the phone patch for the telephone: it takes some three to five minutes before you are in the system, and then you find the confirmation code. So if you want to ask your questions, please feel free in German or in English. You then have to press your star key plus one on your telephone. Please make sure that you have deactivated your mute key so that the system can find you. We are prepared for that. But before this, maybe a few words on our outlook. For that, once again we have our CEO, Mr. Eibensteiner.
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Herbert Eibensteiner32:54
Ladies and gentlemen, let me show you some outlook and before that maybe some figures in order to show you where we are standing now. In every phase of the pandemic, health of our employees and workers has had highest priority. And due to containment measures and due to very strict hygiene and distancing rules, we have succeeded in having a very low number of diseases or infections. And it has been very important that across the group these rules have been respected and followed very accurately. Now, step by step we are getting back to more or less normal operations in many countries. Measures are being loosened, and our customers gradually are restarting their production. We accompany them in doing so. And it's interesting to see that this week is the first week where all our facilities are operational again. And we have to see that slowly but truly, together with our customers, we do all these startups and restarts. It's interesting to see that in China there is rapid recovery already there. We are having a capacity utilization which is close to 100%, and we see a very good trend there, which is a sector counting some 600 million euros in terms of revenue. And what impresses me very much is the railway infrastructure system—that is tracks and rails and turnouts—which even during the pandemic had a very good capacity utilization. And then of course storage systems, which benefit very much from the favorable e-commerce situation, so there is even 100% capacity utilization there and they produce at full swing. Of course in certain areas we have to adapt to reduced capacities of our customers, and there are also some temporary production shutdowns. For instance, one small blast furnace here at Linz has been shut down, and in Donawitz, Austria, there will be a relining of a blast furnace which will be anticipated in time, so one will be shut down. We do not yet know precisely when we will restart both. And one good means of course to adapt to reduced capacities is short-time work. In Austria we have some 10,000 employees which are in short-time work, and some 3,000 in Germany. This is a bit less than half of the employees which we are having in the respective countries. And in addition, of course, internationally some 2,000 further employees are subject to some schemes which are similar to the Austrian and German short-time work. So it's a good way of adapting, but we do have to see that there are some areas or there will be some areas where we find it difficult to work in the long run, and there, even after this summer, some further capacity reductions will have to be implemented. How much reduction that will mean, we cannot yet say. It will of course depend on the further development of the business situation. Presently, in Q1 of this business year we see a market environment characterized by the economic milestone and lockdown. It will remain the most difficult quarter for us. There are many analyses telling us that in the second half year the business situation will improve. All of this of course is not yet certain at all, and volatility in our economic environment will certainly remain high for us. Now it is important to implement the appropriate crisis management, and the topics are very obvious. We will have to further improve our cost-cutting programs. We are focusing on the working capital and storage systems and inventory reduction. That is and will be decisive how we can generate cash flow. And that's why we have opted for a further reduction of investment. So it will be, according to our plan, some 600 million euros in terms of investments. And all of that in a very volatile environment, which means of course that there will be some outlook of a larger bandwidth than in the past. We expect for the EBITDA operating result between 600 million euros and 1 billion euros. Thank you very much for listening, and of course we appreciate your questions in English or German.
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Peter Velsbach39:03
Thanks, Mr. Eibensteiner. On we go to our Q&A session. Once again, here you see the phone patch and other possibilities to get in touch with us. Please use your confirmation code, then star key and the one key. Maybe we have the first question already? Yes, you are. Please, your question.
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Christian Curry40:15
So good morning, Christian Curry here, Cameron Steele. I have two questions linking up with what Mr. Eibensteiner and Mr. Zyejec have said. This is about this Donawitz blast furnace down: some repair or relining is being anticipated in time, easily total relining with the modernization or adaptation in Linz and otherwise plus the shut down, and you do not yet know when you will restart them. That was my first question. And the second one: Mr. Zyejec spoke about a reference index and an almost doubling. What is the reference period here? What does it contain? Is it iron ore prices only or some others as well?
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Herbert Eibensteiner41:28
As to the first question: in Linz we are having one large and two smaller blast furnaces. The small one, that's some 20% of raw iron capacity of the location, and that one we shut down in the second half of March, and it will not be operated for a while. The other two blast furnaces at least remain in operation. And in Donawitz, there is a plant. They are having two blast furnaces there as well, and one of them is being relined. It's not a damage; it's a relining of the blast furnace which has been planned anyway, but now it's just done earlier. And second, on the almost doubling of the raw material prices: I'm speaking of an index which has always been a reference parameter. That's the index for 62% iron ore. And that index between early January last year and before summertime has gone from some 70 to more than 120 US dollars per ton, so almost a doubling of the value. Thank you very much.
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Christian Curry43:11
What about the Texas plant? How is it going?
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Herbert Eibensteiner43:21
Maybe that's for me again. First, we have succeeded from the technical perspective to get the Texas plant into very stable condition year on year. The technical availability of the plant has been stepped up by some 10%, so the technology does work very well. And we then went over to regular operation. The first quarter of the elapsed business year was a very successful one. But as described before, we also had with raw materials prices, particularly also iron ore related to market prices, which are also characterized by raw iron and scrap—the substitute products—so here again that has made a very difficult situation at the margin squeeze, particularly in the second half year of that business year.
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Christian Curry44:26
Thank you. Then I'd like to know as to the 2,000 staff which you have reduced, how many of them in Austria?
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Herbert Eibensteiner44:40
In Austria, actually, we mainly reduced least—so temporary workers—and I would say it will be more or less half of all of them, half of 2,000. And that's of course in full-time equivalent, and overtime is being included as well. So 1,000 FTEs precisely. And how many people—how many persons as it were move this? Some 600. Thank you very much.
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Peter Velsbach45:33
Thanks. Miss Stephen Hoffa? Next question comes from Manfred Toomey, come on in. From the Austrian daily.
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Manfred Toomey45:45
First question: Is it short-time work only, or do you get state aid or state support also from some other systems or schemes? And short-time work for some 10,000: for how long? Will you have some of them back in September already? Will you require a further scheme like short-time work after September? Can you tell us for how long and what kind of short-time work you would want or you will need?
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Herbert Eibensteiner46:19
Let me get started with your second question? We are now having some 10,000 staff in short-time working in Austria. We believe that in some further areas, the second short-time work round will be needed as well. We have some areas performing very well, like railway systems, rails, turnouts, casting foundry—they are much better...
In some segments we will require a second round of short-time work. The government has announced that they will have something after September, and I believe we will need it in certain areas – we will need an additional scheme we can benefit from.
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Shumi47:24
How many people are not in short-time work?
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Herbert Eibensteiner47:29
We are having 23,000 staff – or 22,000 rather – in Austria, and the 10,000 mentioned are in short-time work.
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Shumi47:48
And in September, how many will that be?
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Herbert Eibensteiner47:57
We can't say no. Probably we can tell you more in the first quarter, in August. As for state aid or state support alongside short-time work, we have also benefited from the government's offer to defer some payments of insurance and social schemes, meaning we will only pay in autumn or towards the end of the year. But we will have to pay everything later. Otherwise, in terms of fixed-cost allocations or funding, we have not been benefiting from any further schemes.
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Peter Velsbach48:41
Thank you, Mr. Shumi. Your questions seem to be answered. Now Bob is going dark.
As to the world steel market: first, do you expect that as a consequence of the coronavirus crisis there will be further protectionist measures – meaning some governments like the EU or US might decide on new measures to protect their home markets, or extend such measures? Second, caused by COVID, structural changes in the global steel market: do you expect new conglomerates, new structures, or will everything be back to as it was before?
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Herbert Eibensteiner49:55
May I answer your first question? All protectionist measures that existed before the corona crisis – like Section 232 tariffs, China as well – are still valid. Presently I also do not see any trend showing that those protectionist measures might be loosened or stopped after the crisis. I cannot say whether there will be additional further measures. I believe – and that's my personal view – we have to see the total economy in Europe and the rest of the world get up to full swing again, and such measures are certainly hampering this. As to the further evolution of the global steel market after corona, I would say that China has sailed out of these difficulties; they are producing at max capacity again. In some other countries, since March it is too early to say whether there will be concentration, new groupings, or to anticipate how the steel configuration and panorama will develop. So you cannot yet say where there will be changes in supply and demand. No, it depends on the individual segments and how they evolve. But I understood your question as: will there be concentration, new groups, mergers – that we cannot say now, it is too early. Not only concentration of companies but maybe some fields in production which after the crisis, due to measures implemented or due to other products not in such high demand any longer, might see a shift. I believe in the present phase it is definitely too early to speak about such elements. I believe it is very important that the automotive industry be backed and supported; it is one of the most important supply chains we have in Europe and globally. It will be decisive to see how consumption will pick up again. In China, as an example, they have succeeded very well.
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Peter Velsbach53:25
Thanks. The next question then is from Miss Variate, from plants.
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Reporter53:45
Two questions related to steel production. I'd like to know about the Linz blast furnace which has been shut down: might it be shut down forever? And according to demand, maybe being compensated by HBI? And what is capacity utilization in Austrian Voestalpine Steel?
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Herbert Eibensteiner54:25
As to the first question: a sustainable shutdown – that is, forever – of that blast furnace is not our intention. We are having one large and two small ones in Linz, so we can react very flexibly to the mountains. As soon as demand picks up again and stabilizes more and more, the small blast furnace will also be started and taken into operation again. As to HBI in the blast furnaces: this makes sense when the blast furnaces are a bottleneck in order to step up our production capacity, but that is not the case. So a more focused use of HBI in the blast furnaces is not our intention or plan presently. As to the capacity utilization of steel works: I am under the impression that all European steel plants are being hit very much by a slump in demand. The figures you keep reading are at least 50% and depend very much on which product portfolio is the focus of the plants and which market segments are served mainly.
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Reporter56:03
Does that apply to Voestalpine as well?
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Herbert Eibensteiner56:06
For Linz, in April where the lockdown of the automotive industry, one of our main customer segments, came across the board, it was a bit more than that. And we are seeing already a cautious and slow recovery of the situation.
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Peter Velsbach56:32
Thank you. Next we have Monika Sarksburger, another Austrian daily paper.
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Monika Sarksburger56:52
Two questions. First, Mr. Eibensteiner, you have said that there will be capacity reductions in certain areas: which areas, what do you mean by that? Second, for Mr. Hotel, maybe: in investment, which investments do you curtail or have you eliminated?
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Herbert Eibensteiner57:19
As to capacity adaptations: there are two areas which are in a very difficult environment – on the one hand, the aviation or aerospace industry, and on the other hand, the oil and gas field, as we got OCTG. And there are some other segments as well where some adaptation necessities exist, like in the automotive industry and, as you know, portfolios as well.
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Robert Hotel58:01
As to investments: our total approach is that investments for the operating work and maintenance are being continued, and investments which are rather long-term and also of a strategic nature have been stopped or taken out or postponed. An exception is the large project at Kapfenberg, which is already in the second half of its implementation, and due to the COVID-related problems it is being delayed but it will be continued to the same extent. So in short: small short-term investments are going on, long-term investments do not, exception being made for Kapfenberg.
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Monika Sarksburger58:58
And which ones have you then reduced or cut out?
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Robert Hotel59:11
It's many individual measures; you wouldn't understand the humidity, I believe, and I couldn't tell you off the cuff.
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Peter Velsbach59:15
Thanks indeed, Miss Graf. The next question comes from Secret Branch.
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Secret Branch59:22
Several questions. First, the capacity reductions have been addressed already. Can you give us some insight? You say that in April there has been a reduction by 50 percent; if you see the Linz site, at how many percent are you now in terms of capacity organization? And Mr. Amsterdam said that this week almost all facilities are being operational again – so in terms of capacities, how far are you from the group's targets? Another question: what about short-time work – are you at 50 percent, or are you at a higher degree of occupation already?
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Robert Hotel1:00:26
Yes. As to the capacity utilization reduction at Linz: according to segments and product areas, it is different and has already been explained for Linz by Mr. Eibensteiner. We do have some areas and segments which are not hit very much by those market restrictions, as said before – the casting and foundry systems at Linz, or sheet metal as well. The market-accompanying reduction mentioned by me, which was hit very much by the OEMs' lockdowns, mainly relates to star GmbH and SSA Linz.
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Secret Branch1:01:20
And where are you now in terms of capacity utilization? Are you at 50 now, or where are you?
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Robert Hotel1:01:25
No, May has already been much better – 70 percent maybe, yeah, a bit below that.
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Secret Branch1:01:43
And this also means some 70 percent of work for the people, or people in short-term work?
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Robert Hotel1:01:52
Well, in short-time work they are in Trottenberg, all of them across the board. And what I find very positive in the model is that one can react very flexibly to the situation according to segment, according to facility. So for instance in April, we had an effective full-time ratio of some 20 percent. And of course, in combination with reduction of time accounts and holidays vacation, we will certainly more or less keep this percentage.
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Secret Branch1:02:43
What about positive and negative contributions to earnings: Carter's Will and the HBI plant in Texas? Because if I look into the quarterly comparisons, the large drop in earnings were the non-recurring effects – depreciation and impairment – and that's not so much related to COVID. And the second question relates to concrete results in those two companies.
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Herbert Eibensteiner1:03:31
Miss Brandt, of course we do not announce detailed results of individual companies, but your interpretation is correct. Texas, both in the individual operating result, was worse than expected and was also hit by those impairment losses. Mr. Zaichik has said it already: in particular in the second half here, the ratio of pellet, billet prices, iron ore, and scrap meant a negative operating result, and of course also the impairment loss even more so. As regards Carter's Will: you know that in 2018/19 we had a very bad result because of the startup problems. Charts will in the elapsed business year 2019/20 still was not positive, but on a clear way towards improvement. Carter's Will is part of an asset CPU, the so-called hot farming CKU, and there in the new evaluation of future perspectives there has been an impairment loss. So in both companies mentioned by you, there has been a mix of operational worse performance and non-recurring effects due to impairment losses.
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Secret Branch1:05:25
Restart of the blast furnace at Linz: you won't deliver any perspective as to whether it will be this year, will you?
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Robert Hotel1:05:38
As explained before by Mr. Eibensteiner, it's a bit hard to assess that now. We have shut it down in such a way that it can be restarted immediately; no repair needed, it is operational whenever we need it. I believe it won't be before or during summer time, and whether it will be towards the end of the year or next year, we will see in light of the changing market environment.
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Secret Branch1:06:14
The time anticipation of the Tormenta re-lining – by how many months?
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Robert Hotel1:06:22
Two and a half weeks – only two and a half weeks earlier for that re-lining of the blast furnace. And it will last until early in October, according to plan precisely. And that one will then be restarted, but can not yet be seen from today's perspective. Miss Brandt, we expect that it will be in the course of autumn at the earliest, but for that we have to wait and see what the next three months will bring, particularly in the automotive segment.
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Secret Branch1:07:01
And a last question: Mr. Eibensteiner mentioned some segments which might require support even in autumn – the second phase of short-term work. If there is no recovery in certain segments, there can also be some laying off of people. In that connection, are you considering that, and if so, in what areas?
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Herbert Eibensteiner1:07:36
Well, I said before: we will decide upon this after summertime. We will see how the business situation evolves and where the trend will go. We cannot yet say so.
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Peter Velsbach1:07:59
Thank you. Then all of Miss Brandt's questions have been answered. The next ones come from Claudia Haase Klein, Saiton and another Austrian daily. Good morning.
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Claudia Haase Klein1:08:15
Several questions have been answered more or less, so let me still ask my questions very briefly. At Kapfenberg, what had been the initial timetable and when will it be finished now? The project, that is. And the next question: can we say right now that the worst phase of the crisis is behind us? It is a very general question, I know, but since Mr. Eibensteiner has mentioned China in a very favorable note, it seems so that the worst phase is already a matter of the past and we go up here again. And can we also say in how far your company will be strengthened after the crisis? And as to the new electrolysis: you've also mentioned this in passing, it will go into full operation, you've said – is there everything according to plan, and when will that go 100 percent operational?
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Herbert Eibensteiner1:09:31
Well, as to Kapfenberg: the initial timetable had been that mid-2022 this special steel plant would become operational. From today's perspective, in conjunction with the delay caused by the pandemic, we say that it will be three to six months later – say autumn or end of 2022. I hope your question was not whether we are out of the crisis already. But in the last few months, on a global basis we have had a lockdown in China in February where the economy has developed very fast. How fast the other countries will develop is fraught with so many uncertainties still. But we are very far away from a total standstill, so in so far it's an improvement. Many of our customers are starting up again, yet slowly. So I think, in terms of capacities and outlooks, we have to be very conservative and very patient because we can't estimate that certainly – not in all our areas. As to the hydrogen: the hydrogen plant is a pilot plant, a research project that is underway. The plant is being tested under different operating conditions; that is working well, and the plant is or was in full operation. Sometimes they do 100%, sometimes they don't. It is a research project with a lot of trials. Strengthened after the crisis? You can be sure that all staff – and by the way, they are working excellently, my thanks go to all our staff in this very difficult phase – everyone is working for us to be strengthened after the crisis.
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Claudia Haase Klein1:12:08
Yes, but can you maybe prove this by anything?
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Herbert Eibensteiner1:12:20
I believe it's most important presently in the next few months to overcome the crisis. I've said it before: the focus is on adaptation to the present situation, our cost programs, our efficiency programs. Obviously we will try to see that we do everything in order to have the focus there.
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Peter Velsbach1:12:54
Miss Haase, maybe also in addition – and not correction to Mr. Eibensteiner – as a CFO, I had the great financial crisis in '08 and '09. As you know, in such situations it's a fundamental problem, and a well-positioned group like Voestalpine normally sails better through such crises even if we are hit very much as well. And this automatically means that after such a crisis, we can of course benefit from that as an advantage. In overcoming the crisis, I believe we will be stronger than our competitors.
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Robert Hotel1:13:47
I've seen that some figures were wrong – so it's end of 2021, not 2022. End of 2021 is the right figure. Trial operation: everything seems to work very well. When will that trial operation be evaluated in such a way that you can say the model does work? All that project is planned for the next two years still, and it will also take us that long before we can come out with a final statement in order to see whether all parameters are met, because that's about the longer durability of the units, for instance.
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Herbert Eibensteiner1:14:56
A short addendum: you have to see this in such a way: it is a pilot plant which is being operated, and the efficiency is measured; some coatings are changed. The idea is, as said by Mr. Amsterdam, that until 2021 these activities are planned in such a way: how can you start it up, how can you reduce its operation? It does work very well already and it also delivers as expected and planned. It is a research program; there shouldn't always be 100% of its operation, but the boundary conditions should be investigated much better in order then to be in a sustainably optimized condition.
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Peter Velsbach1:15:46
Thank you, Claudia Haase, for the questions. Then in writing I have two questions from Tom's writers, missed knowledge. First one: automotive industry – the second one as well. Which signals are you getting from the automotive industry? When do you expect some upswing there?
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Herbert Eibensteiner1:16:11
We know the automotive industry's plans. We keep accompanying our customers in their plans as to their respective restarts. And it will be decisive how fast consumption will pick up and when people will buy cars again. If that picks up again, that area will develop very fast, and I believe it's also important to give new impetus to the business situation and think about support for that field across Europe.
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Peter Velsbach1:17:04
Thank you very much. Then the next one is from Miss Siebenhofer, ORF.
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Miss Siebenhofer1:17:11
Have I understood properly that the Tormenta blast furnace will be restarted in autumn at the earliest, and you cannot exclude some further laying off of people in Austria?
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Robert Hotel1:17:29
Miss Siebenhofer, the plant re-lining will last until early in October, and presently on the basis of today's capacity organization we would not restart it early in October yet. But we keep observing the months in order to see how the automotive industry in particular evolves. And as a function of that, we will then decide when we take the last furnace into operation as well. Same thing for Linz – unclear for both then.
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Miss Siebenhofer1:18:03
Yes?
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Robert Hotel1:18:07
Precisely. For Linz, I've said already: we keep observing the market development, and whenever it's more efficient to use three, we will do that. And probably that won't be the case before autumn. And laying off of people? I believe I've said it in detail: uncertainties still are very high. But I believe in a phase like this, we cannot basically exclude anything off of people.
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Peter Velsbach1:18:44
Thank you. Thanks. Then again we have Mr. Glendale from Bloomberg. For Mr. Hotel: as to the gearing, you say 67 cannot be your target and you have brought it down. My question: first, what is your target or what do you believe is realistic for this year as to the gearing? Second, any capital or equity measures as to the debt – a new bond, a new hybrid?
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Robert Hotel1:19:18
The basic target for the gearing which we have been having for years is clearly below 50 percent. A concrete target for end of 2020/21 I can't tell because I hope you will understand that an outcome having a spread of 400 million EBITDA will make it very difficult to become more precise. The capital market or equity measures? As early as early in this year we had done some refinancing – almost nothing then. No larger refinancing in the last half year, so we have no redemptions almost for 2021. We have enough liquidity as of end of last business year, so there are no bond emissions which we are expecting. From my perspective, the largest next refinancing will be a bond of 400 million euro for calendar year 2021.
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Peter Velsbach1:20:42
Thank you. Then again we have Miss Brandt and Miss Graf, Miss Hodoschek, and Miss Seiser. So Secret Branch first.
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Secret Branch1:20:55
Thank you very much. One question I've forgotten: please explain why, with a view to these figures, you pay a dividend at all and what it will cost you.
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Robert Hotel1:21:20
We have decided to pay a dividend yet adapted to the current situation – so 20 euro cents per share – against the backdrop of a certain continuity in our dividend policy towards our shareholders. I might remind you of the fact that 50% of our staff are shareholders as well, so it will go to them as well. And all this has motivated us to pay a dividend to this reduced extent.
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Herbert Eibensteiner1:22:05
May I add to this? In the past we always had two lines of our dividend policy: on the one hand, the dividend yield of three to four percent – based on a low dividend, we are clearly below this this year. On the other hand, also a payout ratio. Based on the negative annual result, of course this payout rate is very high, almost not measurable. So the 20 cent against this background chose to do basic guidelines spot in the last decades. I can say, in the meantime, at roadshows and also at the capital market, so as to those giving money to us, we have always mentioned our consistent respecting of our financial obligations towards our money lenders. For our money lenders, it's always very positive also to have and keep this policy, and it has helped us to always have very good conditions as to the financing of Voestalpine. This also means that in this difficult situation we also believe that it's good to pay a dividend. Since we have some 180 million shareholders, it's 36 million euros.
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Peter Velsbach1:23:42
Thank you, morning.
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Secret Branch1:23:48
Two more questions, detailed ones. Can you remind me of how much Voestalpine saves in terms of money by means of all these measures? And the loss impairment has mainly been caused by the two US plants – the 480 million – is that correct?
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Robert Hotel1:24:13
Maybe, because this question might be a misunderstanding: no, the 480 million is not mainly caused by impairment losses in the two US plants. The 480 million on the one hand is depreciation amounting to some 400 million, and 80 million is caused by restructuring or other provisions or accruals. Again, the 400 million stems from most diverse areas of the group. Carter's Will and Texas are part of this, but there are some other locations also in Austria, also in Germany, which are concerned and have caused the 480 million.
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Secret Branch1:25:09
Would you say how much for Carter's Will and Texas?
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Robert Hotel1:25:18
I've said before that I do not mention these amounts in detail. Maybe on your first question: saving money. We communicated last year that in addition to the normal measures, some 100 million in EBITDA are to be saved, and on all the cost strategies. As the results show, we did achieve this target.
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Secret Branch1:25:54
Will there be added some more because of COVID?
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Robert Hotel1:25:59
Partly there are some programs which are being restarted, and we have to focus on the new situation. Of course there are some additional areas in all fields, and some additional schemes which have been launched everywhere.
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Peter Velsbach1:26:15
Thank you. Then we have Miss Hodoschek, Courier newspaper.
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Miss Hodoschek1:26:35
As for deferred payments of taxes and social insurance payments, what is the volume here? Then I'd like to know how many guarantees from the COVID fund you want to have. And then you mention the cost-cutting program quite often – how much of this is for the area of staff? And a clarification: you said that in the elapsed business year in Austria, 1,000 FTEs have been reduced – that is 600, that can't be correct. Some clarity here, please. And then what about the bonuses of the members of the management board?
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Robert Hotel1:27:29
Miss Hodoschek, may I answer your first questions? As regards those deferred payments, it amounts – and it fluctuates very much – to some 50 million euros per month, which will then be paid as a total end of the calendar year. It is not our intention to use COVID funding; we have enough liquidity reserve. I can of course never exclude that if the business situation deteriorates massively, we might do something counter to my today's statement and use a similar scheme, but from today's perspective, given our liquidity reserve, I do not see that. As to your question: 1,000 employees FTEs – 600 – of course overtime is part of the FTEs, and leaving the company which is not replaced has also been counted here. As to the bonus: you can read that from our company report; we are clearly lower than the ATX. And of course it depends; our bonus depends on success. So we have a clearly reduced bonus, which is clearly about 50 percent – the reduction is clearly higher than 50 percent, yes.
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Miss Hodoschek1:29:32
And what bonus are you aiming at for the present business year? There are some companies which take out all bonuses on a voluntary basis.
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Robert Hotel1:29:47
Our bonus system has not been changed, and we have still high-flying targets for this business year which are part of the bonus system. It will be difficult to reach them, so the effect of our systems is sufficient that a worse economic situation would be reflected by them.
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Miss Hodoschek1:30:18
Thank you. And as to the cost-cutting program, how much of that is for the staff – headcount area?
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Robert Hotel1:30:26
Whenever so many cost items, I couldn't say off the cuff of the coffee in detail – order of magnitude.
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Miss Hodoschek1:30:53
I don't like to estimate figures.
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Peter Velsbach1:31:05
The last question from Miss Seiser, from APA.
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Miss Seiser1:31:15
The EBIT was mentioned and it's negative for the first time – first time since when, that's my first question. The second one: you compare to your European competitors: where does Voestalpine stand according to you? And in the course of the COVID pandemic, it has become obvious that many industrial groups have a customer risk in Asia – not necessarily in China, but also in China. So what about a shift of production, not to Europe, but maybe to elsewhere?
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Herbert Eibensteiner1:32:00
As regards the negative EBIT: I've been in the management board for 16 years, and during that period it has never been negative. And as far as I know, since Voestalpine started as a listed company in the 90s, there has never been any negative EBIT. As to the other two questions: how to be fair compared to the peers? I have shown one parameter, the EBITDA. But I think that Voestalpine as a group has such a clear-cut strategy, our subscribing to innovation and to quality, using high-quality niches, that gives us some autonomy which distinguishes us from many competitors. There is also our USP, and like Robert Hotel has said, it will mean that we will be even stronger after the crisis. As to your question related to Asia: China is some 600 million of revenue for us, so a very important part of Voestalpine. Yet when compared to the exposure we are having in Europe, it's a smaller part. There we are in special niches we are acting in, and also the automotive industry where we followed our European customers. So as always, our strategy will be evaluated, but in China you cannot expect a 180-degree turnaround. Your question about European competitors related to COVID state support: we have not asked for any state support. When you say we are getting public support at least for short-time work, of course in those areas there are some minor differences, but when comparing us to Germany, there are similar short-time work schemes and this seems to be comparable.
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Peter Velsbach1:36:00
Thank you very much. And this is the end of our Q&A session. Thank you for your lively interest; it has been a very long Q&A session. There is of course one bitter tone in a virtual conference: the traditional talks after a press conference cannot be held this time. But for all those who normally always come, we will of course keep our regular events where people can also come to us, hopefully already in November. And my thanks go to the listeners, to the members of the management board. Thanks to all of you, and for the next few weeks and months we wish to all of you and all of us that we will sail through this crisis. We wish you an excellent summer, and at the latest early in August we will have more on the first quarterly. Thanks to the team for the organization. I'd like to ask Mr. Eibensteiner for his final words.
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Herbert Eibensteiner1:37:06
Well, thank you very much for your keen interest in our business and our situation, your interest also in the figures of the elapsed business year. I'm very happy to see you physically next time, and I wish you all the best. Thank you very much.