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Ishiguro Norihiko
Chairman and CEO, Japan External Trade Organization (JETRO)

"Trump 2.0" (8) Norihiko Ishiguro, President of the Japan External Trade Organization (JETRO), Ma...

🎥 May 12, 2025 📺 jnpc ⏱ 88m
Norihiko Ishiguro, President of the Japan External Trade Organization (JETRO), spoke on the theme of "The Shifting ...
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About Ishiguro Norihiko

Norihiko Ishiguro, Chairman and CEO of the Japan External Trade Organization (JETRO), appeared on a program titled "Trump 2.0" on May 12, 2025, to discuss the impact of U.S. tariff policies on Japanese businesses. He stated that the U.S. tariff policy "accelerates the division between the U.S. and China, which was already divided." Ishiguro noted that JETRO had received approximately 1,700 consultations from companies in the three months since launching a support desk in February 2025. He observed that firms with existing U.S. production facilities are strengthening their production lines, but that no new U.S. production bases have been established yet, citing the typical four-year timeline from site selection to factory operation. Ishiguro expressed concern about the erosion of traditional alliance relationships, stating that the "America First" policy has a "big impact" and that Japan needs to "change its mindset" and consider its proper role. He emphasized that for Japan to maintain a high per capita GDP, it must "incorporate overseas vitality" and "earn abroad," asserting that "the growth of the Japanese economy and Japanese companies is impossible if they remain closed off domestically."

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Transcript (21 segments)
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Host0:07
Yes, let's begin. Today is the 8th installment of the 'Trump 2.0' series. Our guest is Mr. Norihiko Ishiguro, Chairman of JETRO. The Trump administration's tariff measures are raising concerns for Japanese companies. JETRO has set up consultation desks and received about 1,700 inquiries since February. Today we'll ask Mr. Ishiguro how Japanese companies should navigate the world. Mr. Ishiguro joined MITI in 1980, served as Director-General of Economic and Industrial Policy Bureau and Vice-Minister, worked on startup support and EU economic partnerships. After retiring in 2015, he was Executive Vice President at NEC, and became JETRO Chairman in April 2023. He will speak for about an hour, then take questions. I am the moderator from NHK. Mr. Ishiguro, please.
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Ishiguro Norihiko2:08
Thank you, Imai-san, for the introduction. I am Ishiguro, Chairman of JETRO. My office was nearby, so I often came here for lunch and books, but this is my first time in this press conference room. I will explain using the handout titled 'Shaking International Order: Challenges and Responses for Japanese Companies'. I will cover three points: the fragmentation and uncertainty in the global economy, Japan's medium- to long-term challenges, and how to deal with the US now. Before Trump, US-China trade was already declining. US investment in China fell 62.5% over three years, and China's investment in the US fell 36%. US dependence on Chinese goods remains high, especially consumer goods, which is why tariffs were recently reduced to 30%. North American supply chains are deeply integrated; auto parts cross borders 8-9 times. Tariff announcements change daily, making it hard for companies to plan. Japan's exports to the US are mainly cars and construction machinery. The WTO predicts US-China trade could drop 77%. Services trade is also affected. Uncertainty is at historic highs, and US tariff rates are at 120-year highs. Japan's fundamental problem is population decline: from 126 million in 2020 to 87 million in 2070 and 63 million in 2100. My 2-year-old grandchild might live to see that. Japan's international competitiveness ranking fell from 24th in 2003 to 38th in 2024. For 30 years, Japan had 'endurance management'—not raising wages, suppressing consumption, leading to deflation. Now we need 'offensive management'. To grow, Japan must engage with the world, attract foreign vitality, and earn abroad. Per capita GDP has stagnated. The real exchange rate shows Japan's weakness. We must invest in people and equipment, and create a virtuous cycle of growth.
When you look at the real effective exchange rate, the Japanese yen has been steadily weakening. This is not just a result of trade but reflects a decline in Japan's fundamental economic strength. It's a sad reality. As a result, domestic industries are suffering. Japanese companies do not actually want a weak yen; surveys show they prefer a rate around 120-124 yen to the dollar. The weak yen now directly drives up domestic costs rather than boosting the economy. Over the past 30 years, companies have shifted investment overseas, so fewer industries remain in Japan except for automobiles. Many now prefer to set up operations abroad near markets rather than export from Japan. The overall trade volume has been declining. While expanding overseas is not bad, the model of making in Japan and selling abroad is no longer working well. A major headache is the digital services deficit: most cloud services are American (Microsoft Azure, AWS, Google), and Japanese ICT providers often run their services on top of these, leading to a large outflow of payments to the U.S. On the positive side, travel services are booming due to inbound tourism. Foreign direct investment into Japan is also increasing, with India becoming a top destination for Japanese investment. Before the Trump administration, there were signs of mild inflation and wage growth, especially among large firms, but now there are concerns that Trump's tariff policies may derail this, especially for small and medium enterprises. However, inward investment is showing signs of growth, such as TSMC's facility in Kumamoto, which has already attracted about 30 related companies. Japan's social stability and safety are being reevaluated amid geopolitical risks, which may be a reason for TSMC's choice. Now, regarding the impact of U.S. tariffs on Japanese supply chains: there is a risk of reduced exports to the U.S., and China's overcapacity may be diverted to ASEAN and Europe, leading to intensified competition. We held an emergency webinar that attracted nearly 10,000 participants, and a survey of 7,589 responses showed that 82.5% of companies expect to be affected by reciprocal tariffs, and 73% by tariffs on China. The complexity of tariff rules is a major issue, as components cross borders multiple times, making it hard to determine origin. Even customs authorities in the U.S. are struggling. Companies are simulating price pass-through and cost rationalization. About 40% of firms plan to pass on costs to customers, which is encouraging compared to the past tendency to rationalize. Others are looking at cost reduction or market diversification. Regarding supply chain changes, some companies with existing U.S. plants are expanding production, but new greenfield investments take 3-4 years, so few are making immediate decisions. Our immediate response is to recognize that the U.S. is no longer the champion of free trade. We must collect and disseminate accurate tariff information. We have 76 overseas and 50 domestic offices conducting hearings to understand impacts and convey them to the government. For the medium to long term, I see three priorities: first, continue to send the message that Japan-U.S. cooperation strengthens U.S. industry and supply chains; second, enhance Japan's indispensability by creating high-value industries that the world needs; third, as Japan's population declines, we must engage with the world—Japan cannot become isolationist. We need to strengthen ties with like-minded countries and explore new frontiers like India, the Middle East, and Africa. JETRO is already active: we provide information via webinars, have a U.S. tariff consultation desk that has received over 1,700 inquiries, and conduct grassroots activities in U.S. states to highlight Japanese contributions to local economies. Japan has been the top foreign direct investor in the U.S. for five consecutive years, creating about 1 million jobs, including over 500,000 in manufacturing, especially in the Midwest. We also work on innovation ecosystems, matching startups with accelerators like Techstars, which have opened offices in Tokyo and Osaka. We are also facilitating talent acquisition through job fairs and attracting research talent. In summary, Japan must remain a trading nation, enhance its value proposition, and deepen global partnerships.
We hold job fairs abroad, for example in India and Vietnam, helping foreign students get jobs at Japanese companies. On page 47, regarding frontier markets: we opened an office in Ukraine last year but it's inactive until a ceasefire. We also want to promote investment in Africa. We sent missions to Mongolia and to Southeast Europe—Serbia and Bulgaria—as Japanese companies now focus on that region. Finally, JETRO's three priorities: providing information to seize business opportunities, strengthening connectivity in a divided world, and leveraging overseas vitality to overcome stagnation. That concludes my presentation; I'll take questions.
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Host59:52
Thank you, Mr. Ishiguro. You spoke about Japan's structural issues and the impact of Trump tariffs from macro and micro perspectives. Now we will take questions. For in-person attendees, please raise your hand. For Zoom participants, use the hand icon. For text, send your name and affiliation to the Q&A.
田中1:01:07
Thank you. I'm Tanaka from M& Online. Two questions: First, given that new facilities take four years, isn't M&A an effective investment? Nippon Steel is struggling—will M&A be viable for US investment? Second, can Trump's tariff policies actually revive manufacturing?
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Ishiguro Norihiko1:02:05
On M&A: It's definitely a valid strategy to buy time. Japanese companies are already thinking about it and will likely increase it. The corporate culture has shifted from in-house everything to embracing open innovation and M&A. On reviving manufacturing: I'm skeptical. It's not impossible, but consider Boeing—it depends on Japanese-made parts with micron-level precision that only Japanese companies can make. Commodity items like plastic household goods could return to the US, but high-value manufacturing that relies on Japanese craftsmanship cannot easily move. Japan has strengths there. Some manufacturing will return, but high-quality sectors probably won't.
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Host1:05:51
Thank you. Next, please. Oh, sorry back there.
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I'm Shiro from Nippon TV's economics desk. Two questions: First, auto makers are heavily impacted by tariffs and uncertainty. What are you hearing from companies consulting JETRO? Any changes in consultation trends? Second, you mentioned the need for world-leading industries. Which industries do you think Japan can excel in?
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Ishiguro Norihiko1:06:58
Yes. First: Companies are in a state of uncertainty, running simulations but delaying decisions. The environment changes daily. I believe the 90-day pause has a rationale: considering US midterm elections, Trump will need to stabilize markets by early next year. I expect tariffs to converge to about 30%, like with China. Second: Japan excels in semiconductor manufacturing equipment and materials—these are Japan's pride and don't need to relocate. General machinery like Fanuc is also very competitive. Many small and medium-sized companies hold top global market shares in niche areas. The challenge is to increase such firms. For example, I've met local SMEs with technologies that are irreplaceable.
川北1:12:38
I'm Kawakita. Regarding the digital deficit of about 6.6 trillion yen on page 25: Can Japan argue in trade talks that when digital services are included, the US has a surplus, making the overall trade deficit modest? Will Trump understand this?
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Ishiguro Norihiko1:13:42
I think the Japanese government is making that argument. But Trump cares about white blue-collar workers—not digital trade. The message doesn't reach them. Officials understand, but Trump focuses on his base. That's the difficulty.
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Host1:15:31
Please go ahead.
小林1:15:50
Thank you. I'm Kobayashi, a former Nikkei reporter. Regarding slides 11 and 12, I think Japan should strongly emphasize these points in negotiations with Trump. How do you see it?
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Ishiguro Norihiko1:16:33
Trump is sensitive to market reactions, especially bond yields, which forced the 90-day pause. He bluffs but eventually bends, as with China's 30%. The market is pushing him to moderate. Your suggestion of emphasizing those points is valid, but it's up to the negotiators. The administration knows the risks and wants to claim victory while stabilizing.
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I'm I from Yomiuri Shimbun. Two questions: First, given the volatile tariff situation, what pace should Japan aim for in wage increases? Second, after tariffs stabilize, what other policies might Trump pursue—especially toward his white blue-collar base?
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Ishiguro Norihiko1:21:36
On wages: Even with export pressures, we must not become too cautious. Lead assemblers should be aggressive and not force unreasonable cost-cutting on suppliers. Creating room for wage increases in SMEs is crucial. On Trump's next moves: He will likely push for tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, fulfilling another campaign promise. Tariffs were for his base. He'll tout investment announcements and then seek tax cuts to stimulate the economy. But it's very uncertain.
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Host1:24:34
Any other questions? Yes, please.
小崎1:24:50
I'm Kosaki, an individual member. Listening to this, I feel this is a historic turning point like the Meiji Restoration or post-war period—not just Trump but a larger trend. Japan may need to change its postwar system. What do you think?
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Ishiguro Norihiko1:26:04
I agree, this is an epochal period. The US has abandoned free trade for America First. Japan must become more self-reliant, not just in trade but also in security. The alliance is crumbling. Japan must rethink its stance. It's worrying.
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Host1:28:12
We are almost out of time, so let's conclude. Thank you very much, Mr. Ishiguro.