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Architecture, Faith and Community | John McAslan CBE | RSA Replay

🎥 Feb 28, 2017 📺 Royal Society of Arts ⏱ 66m 👁 1908 views
Spiritual and religious spaces are fundamental features of a place, signifying the value and importance of faith and connection at the heart of a community. In a changing global context, the design, status and use of places of worship evolves to reflect the diverse needs of a wider public. Faith spaces are reimagined to foster a culture of mutuality and engagement, facilitating the growth of social capital. John McAslan CBE and Aidan Potter of John McAslan + Partners are joined by Sophia de Sousa and The Revd The Lord Griffiths to discuss the way in which communities are shaped socially and cu...
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Matthew Taylor0:04
Hello everyone, I'm Matthew Taylor, chief executive of the RSA. It's my great pleasure to welcome you all here this evening. Before we begin, can I ask you to make sure your mobile phone is switched to silent. We're filming tonight and live streaming over the web, so welcome to everyone who's watching online. A reminder that if you in the room or online want to join in the conversation, the hashtag for the event is RSA Faith, so please feel free to tweet and get the conversation going on social media. Now housekeeping notices are over, I'm delighted to introduce this evening's special event. It's exploring critical issues linking architecture, faith, and community at a time when society is increasingly divided in all sorts of ways. We've brought together an expert panel to help us explore the potential of shared spaces and values to foster community cohesion and collaboration. It's been an event I've been looking forward to for ages, partly because two of the buildings that had the most profound effect on me are the Hagia Sophia and the Mosque at Cordoba, which are both buildings that have an amazing interfaith and also conflict between faith imprinted on them in the most incredibly powerful way. So it's a fascinating topic. We're delighted to welcome chairman John Mcaslan and design director Aiden Potter of the award-winning architectural firm John Mcaslan and Partners. The practice has an emphasis on contemporary design for a changing world and has been involved in a number of faith projects. John and Aiden will speak about the evolving design role and function of places of worship at the heart of increasingly diverse communities. I'm also pleased to introduce distinguished contributors: the Reverend Lord Griffith, a superintendent minister at Wesley's Chapel, and Sfia Dusza, chief executive of The Glass House Community Led Design. Lord Griffith will bring insights into the role of faith communities in meeting the needs of societies, and Sfia will explore connections between design, people, and place. When we've heard from them, if you're not completely intimidated by their brilliance and expertise, I will invite your comments and questions. So I think we're going to have a fascinating hour, and without further ado, please join me in welcoming John Mcaslan.
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John Mcaslan2:19
Right, okay. Robert, dear Robert, you can do the slides, can you? Okay, can we go forward? No, no, go to the first one please. First slide, the cover. No, back, no, one more back. There you go, thank you very much. Right, thank you. I can only do one thing at a time, that's why Robert has kindly offered to do the slides. Right, good evening. So I've got 12,000 years of religious architecture in 12 minutes, so at 12 minutes Matthew presumably you can put your hand up and say stop or speed up. Okay, so I'm going to start off. Over the years, our practice has responded to a diverse set of challenges facing communities all over the world. In Kigali, Rwanda, at the genocide memorial site; in Kenya, with the rebuilding of a community cathedral west of Nairobi; and in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, following the devastating earthquake in 2010, by rebuilding the city's historic market hall and gathering place. These projects illustrate our commitment to working with communities with their chosen faith and way of life, which my colleague Aiden Potter will discuss shortly. So what do we mean by the architecture of faith, and what is it that churches, temples, mosques, synagogues, and other places of worship offer us in the fast-paced, ever-changing, and complex world that we live in? My introduction this evening will touch on these issues and highlight examples of how the design of places of worship have evolved over time to serve a broad spectrum of communities. It's difficult to overstate the significance of faith architecture, for it dates back thousands of years, as illustrated from a 12,000-year-old religious site here in Anatolia, and today serves, in descending order, some 2.2 billion Christians, 1.6 billion followers of Islam, a billion Hindus, and 500 million Buddhists. Roughly three-quarters of the world's people. Less populated religions include, of course, Judaism, whose 16 million followers are spread across 120 countries, from 6 million in Israel to 36 in Bahrain. Next, the synagogue here in Kochi, the oldest in the Commonwealth, which has a congregation of 26. Historically, faith architecture defined communities for centuries. In England, for example, it was a dominating presence in people's lives, thoughts, and behaviors. In the Hindu faith, worship, meditation, and family-based rites of passage have been central to daily life for over two and a half thousand years. And in the Islamic world, domestic and faith architecture share the same courtyard built forms that date back to the 7th century. Today, in the increasingly secular and virtualized age, it seems significant to me that most people, even non-believers, continue to respect and value places of worship. So why is this? Surely it's because not only do these spiritual places offer solace and emotional connections, but they are always, always the most permanent, symbolic, and expressive of buildings. Next, of course, I can see here I don't have to look back, Suleymaniye Mosque, the Byzantine and Islamic blend designed by the great Ottoman architect Sinan. Next, two millennia ago, places of worship were the absolute nuclei of their communities. Today, in much of the developed world, the reverse seems to be the case, with public culture dictating the terms of the relationship between places of worship and the societies that they serve. This cultural shift has seen a remarkable evolution in terms of faith architecture. Next, and here are three examples from the post-war period which demonstrate that modern architecture, even brutalist architecture, can serve the needs of the architecture of faith. On the left is Eero Saarinen's glorious non-denominational Chapel at MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts. In the middle, the multifaith Air Force Cadet Chapel in Colorado Springs by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill. And on the right, the powerful aesthetic of St Bride's Roman Catholic Church in East Kilbride by the Scottish architects Gillespie, Kidd & Coia. Aiden, could you just get a bit of water? Thanks. Next, by contrast, the recent evangelical megachurch at Saddleback in California on the left and The Watermark Community Church in Dallas on the right are more conference hall aesthetic than places to pray. Next, whilst the architecture of the vast Sheikh Zayed Mosque in Abu Dhabi incorporates traditional Islamic symbols from many sources in its campus of faith. Next, it's important to remember, though, that these grand, grandiose schemes that we've just seen don't necessarily reflect the typical contemporary faith condition. For instance, next, here is the beautiful Bruder Klaus Chapel in rural Germany, designed by the Swiss architect Peter Zumthor in 2007 and handbuilt by local farmers. If you can look this up, it's an amazing story of the construction of this church, which is worth looking at. Next, and on the Thai-Burmese border, Kuma Wan's recent multifaith project unites a Buddhist prayer space with an educational and community hub for its refugee congregation. Next, and in terms of multifunctional and multifaith buildings, for which I have a particular passion, this is our teaching building in rural Malawi. Initially programmed as an infant school, this modest brick and timber structure is also used for adult learning, as a community health space, and as a non-denominational place for prayer. Next, and a building I know well, perched on the east side of the A1 autostrada just north of Florence and next to petrol stations and motels, is the extraordinary San Giovanni Battista Church designed by Giovanni Michelucci, built in the early 1960s to honor the workers who died building the autostrada. This majestic concrete, stone, and copper roof structure continues to have a very particular resonance for its community and those who drive by. Sometimes a private and personal vision inspires a place of worship, drawing a much wider, not necessarily religious community to its midst. Next, for instance, in Arkansas, Fay Jones's exquisite Thorncrown Chapel from 1980 was commissioned by a teacher and built on a forested hillside. Its wonderful filigree timber interior welcomes some 2,000 visitors a day, and I think a particular favorite of Aiden and mine. Next, whilst in an even more intimate scale is the Irish architect Niall McLaughlin's elliptical and very beautiful Bishop Edward King Chapel near Oxford, flooded with gorgeous light. Next, and in Copenhagen, one significantly scaled Lutheran Church embodies the idea of faith and community as a single design tableau. For here, the Gothic plan and the Expressionist brickwork of Grundtvig's Church, designed by Peter Jensen-Klint in 1927, was built using 6 million bricks, which were also used to construct the community around it. Next, and how many small towns, I wonder, would be bold enough to commission such a radical design as Gottfried Böhm's brutalist Pilgrimage Church near Dortmund, completed in 1968. This structure is considered to be the Pritzker Prize winner's greatest work, challenging in its architecture and its reflection of faith. Next, the relationship between faith and those who have built their places of worship is ever-changing. In the Middle Ages, sizable workforces of cathedral building journeymen and stonemasons became embedded in communities over long periods of time. Next, the magnificent Ely Cathedral, illustrated here, has Romanesque segments, a porch in the Gothic style, and a 14th-century octagonal tower, which means the cathedral was in a permanent state of construction for hundreds of years, a physical reminder of the endurance of a community's faith. Next, and in Barcelona, Antoni Gaudí's Sagrada Familia is an ongoing example of this type of revolving commitment to a place of worship. Begun in 1882 and pausing only briefly following Gaudí's untimely death in 1926, its construction is expected to be complete in 2026, some 144 years after its groundbreaking. The architecture is symbolic of both Catholic worship and the independent spirit of Barcelona and Catalonian communities. And as I heard yesterday, a good friend of ours, Irvine Sellar, passed away, who was a wonderful developer who built The Shard. It's interesting to know The Shard, if you think of the height of The Shard, when fully built, this cathedral will be about four-fifths of the height of The Shard, so scale will be extraordinary. I knew Irvine, somehow had to fit this in. Next, a significant role for faith architecture is to serve communities who have suffered natural disasters or those who are impoverished or marginalized, providing places for both physical security as well as religious sanctuary. In 1986, for example, an avalanche spread through the village of Monu in Switzerland. Part of the response to the destruction was the building a decade later of this church designed by the Swiss master architect Mario Botta, a bold architectural statement of its community's endurance. Next, New Zealand's so-called Cardboard Cathedral on the left embodies a temporary workspace following the city's 2011 earthquake, whilst the same year on the right, our proposed temporary place of worship was set within the ruins of the Cathedral of Our Lady of Assumption in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Next, and in Germany, the architects KSP placed the city's new synagogue a stone's throw from its former location, destroyed during Kristallnacht, with this new synagogue reclaiming its former central location. Next, and finally in London, our project to rebuild the modern mosque is rooted in the ambitions and leadership of this community, which suffered the destruction of its beloved mosque gutted by fire in 2015. Within one week of the fire, its determined congregation was holding services within its remaining elements, which when rebuilt will return as Western Europe's largest Islamic place of worship. Next, the architect's role in the architecture of faith is a complex one: creating spaces that offer a safe haven to emotion, to memory, and to religious connections between places and peoples, no matter what their circumstances, commanding empathy and practicality in equal measure. I'll leave you with a final thought: although worshippers continue to depend on faith architecture as their physical place of worship, more and more people of all faiths in all parts of the world are leading lives that are increasingly personalized and screen-based. Snapchat, although I have to say not me, Snapchat, Instagram, Facebook, Google. There are already websites called Virtual Church and Air Jesus. The Dasein of Oxford has started something called the IChurch. In 10 or 20 years' time, how many people will be worshiping on screen in the digitally imagined place of their choice? York Minster, Mecca, the Wailing Wall synagogue, or is there something about the architecture of faith and the actual, rather than the virtual, gathering of worshippers that cannot be eroded? Thank you.
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Aiden Potter15:57
Good evening. I have a slightly less ambitious scope, probably only deal with five years, a series of projects that the practice has been involved in. And I suppose the point I'll try and make is that each of these projects are very different, very distinct, both nationally and internationally. All of them, I think, evidence the continuing relevance of the architecture of faith, but perhaps all of them show that the architectural model needs to change a little bit more rapidly to accommodate a rapidly changing environment, as John has alluded to in terms of people's aspirations and needs for faith. First illustration is our cathedral in Kisumu, Kenya. As a Catholic and as an architect, very properly the opportunity to be involved in the participation in the delivery of a cathedral is absolutely a highlight to one's career. But actually a cathedral is the work of many hands, and as our client often told me, it is the work of an invisible hand, and that's undoubtedly an important dynamic as an architect in the engagement of faith architecture, that there is a concern and interest in an inspiration that in some regards is beyond yourself. The cathedral, whilst it is a Roman Catholic cathedral in Kenya, and Kenya is a country of seven and a half million Catholics, a third of the population, the cathedral seats 1,200 people, 1,500 at a push, and every Sunday this cathedral runs three services which are completely full. So comparisons with the practice of Catholicism that I'm aware of and I know in this country, whilst interesting, pale into insignificance in terms of the intensity and the simplicity of the faith in Africa. So it is dangerous – well, not dangerous, but it is sometimes not helpful to make illusions between the practice of a similar faith in different contexts. The context changes the faith and the practice of faith in profound terms. Interestingly, at the same time, exactly the same time, the practice was also delivering and developing proposals for the mosque in Doha, in the Msheireb in Doha. And again, an ambitious project right at the heart of probably one of the world's largest and most ambitious urban quarters. And I suppose what's particularly interesting about the mosque, not just as a piece of architecture, was the determination to actually signify and place a building, a significant building of religious assembly, at the very heart of urban development. And I think actually that is something that we are in danger of losing as we increasingly develop our cities and actually lose contact with the placement and sanctity of churches and mosques and places of worship as significant moments in our cities. At a slightly more modest scale, but nonetheless a fascinating and important project, dealing with the rediscovery and the reuse, adaptive reuse of an important, very important chapel, John Wesley's Chapel on the City Road, and the extension of the Museum of Methodism within the chapel. And in this country, of course, a lot of faith architecture very properly is concerned with the sensitive and adaptive reuse of historic buildings, which is very much the context that we find ourselves in. And in that exact same context, and at the same time, a remarkable project to actually look at the adaptation of the Great Room in the Friends Meeting House in the center of the Quakers, a building you all probably know opposite Euston Station. And here a project that was concerned to extend and exploit and introduce flexibility into the use of the major space. And I think the opportunities to actually extend the use of historic places of worship and offer more flexible use for those to extend their use is also a recurrent theme of our work, definitely in this country. And sadly, in a certainly sort of way, the last project of this suite was the adaptation of a deconsecrated church and finding sustainable futures for an extraordinary range of churches which have fallen into disuse, being properly respectful of these churches. This is the church St James at Hatcham, its conversion to educational use for Goldsmiths College again, I think, is an important dynamic and obligation we all have to the legacy of these important buildings in terms of national identity. Now, architecture is a moral activity. John and I were certainly educated by a generation of architects after the war who absolutely believed that architecture was a social art. And indeed, I think as many architects do, we often talk about our buildings in moral terms. We talk about honesty of materials and the integrity of the building itself. Pugin was the origin of this idea; he introduced the moral imperative, and of course his grand vision of a New Jerusalem where the modern industrial city would be properly balanced with a responsible adaptation and development of religious architecture is in a way a sad vision because I suppose that particular vision in specific terms was never realized. But nonetheless, the placement of ecclesiastical architecture at the very heart and center of all the cities that we live in historically is a context that we all completely understand. I think perhaps one of the interesting issues that we may talk about later is the fact that the logical placement and identity of places of worship and the integration of places of worship into our cities is something we're losing in terms of a disconnection with faith and community in literal terms, in terms of its registration into our developing cities. We certainly do need to look at the exploitation and extension of existing and new buildings of faith to actually exploit and look at all sorts of creative opportunities to introduce new uses, multiple new uses into existing buildings to create sustainable futures, real sustainable futures for a collection of buildings which are in many regards at peril in this country. It's a significant and important issue that all architects and faith institutions have to address. In some regards, in many regards, and certainly in my faith, it is quite difficult to find the balance between the development of a modern church that is properly respectful to the format and the historic legacy and the procedures and routines of a faith, and also updating it to adapt to new uses. This slide shows the adaptation of the plan of our cathedral at Kisumu, and you can see that we moved away from the Latin cross. And it really was a response to Bishop Emmanuel's desire to actually extend and improve the interface of the congregation with the act of communion and to change the format but also retain a legible connection with 2,000 years of history. So finding a balance between making some changes but also respecting the legacy of 2,000 often more years of continuity of worship is a particular issue that we faced a number of times. As John mentioned, we are very much in a remarkable time. It's often been termed as the 21st-century Reformation, an extraordinary change in the practice of faith, the denomination, the plurality of faith, particularly in this country, and also very interesting new models. I don't know if any of you have actually been to the Hillsong sermons at the Dominion Theatre, but again an extraordinary event in which an evangelical group practices faith to a huge audience in a completely different format, a very unusual format. And who's to say that isn't relevant and important? Finding new models and adapting new models to the new ways and expectations that generations have for faith is a particular challenge that we all face. All faiths change. I will leave you with a moral paradox, a paradox that I feel very strongly as a Catholic. Undoubtedly these marvelous buildings that we've had the pleasure and significance of developing, often internationally and nationally, are expensive buildings. Just the surface area, the size. And although faith isn't about expense, undoubtedly the expenditure of a relatively dwindling resource in creating buildings to the glory and honor of the Lord is an interesting challenge. But there are other models, there are other interesting models for a church. And again, this is a church established in Tottenham on an industrial estate in Tottenham, the High Road to Holiness. And this is a church that offers refuge and succor to homeless people. And the only thing that shows you it's a church is that little piece of plastic on the wall. But actually within this small series of rooms, there is refuge, warmth, support, and comfort for homeless people in Tottenham. It's a very, very real and totally important obligation that that particular church actually manages to administer. So my last slide is a comment, I suppose, about the fact that whatever future faith architecture has in the community, I think it must be centered on and properly attentive to the real concerns of those who are less privileged than all of us in terms of offering possible futures. And I think if the dear Lord was with us today, and I'm sure He is with us in every regard, I think He'd be less concerned about the buildings in His name and more concerned about the poor people on the steps. Thank you very much.
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Lord Griffith27:17
Much over to you. I'm very grateful for the opportunity to speak to this august gathering, and particularly to bounce any ideas I have off the splendid presentations that we've just had, that have looked at the physical space that architects can design and cater for worshiping communities. I will be looking of course at the communities rather than the envelopes which encase their practices and their comings together. And perhaps that's the right place to start. What a wonderful array of modern responses to the prevailing, against the evidence sometimes, need for a faith dimension in social life, not just in developing countries but here too. It's a stubborn manifestation that refuses to go away. And of course across the ages, architects have responded with materials and with ideas that were appropriate to the age in which they gave expression to those ideas. The challenge for architects, people who deal with a physical environment, is manifold. First of all, if you look at Canterbury Cathedral and the interplay between Basil Spence and the cathedral chapter, you have the dialectic that matters most. The client is always going to pay the bills and will have a significant voice. The architect will have an idea that he desperately would love to prevail. And sometimes compromises are necessary which are either satisfactory or definitely not satisfactory. The danger is always that the physical space will contribute an envelope, an enclosed space within which faith is to be practiced, and in some way imprison an idea that's yearning for fresh air. Certainly in times of religious retreat, as we are experiencing here just at the minute, that's a very real danger. Somewhere to retreat to or behind high walls must be resisted. Of course that's not just down to the architect, it's down to the leadership of the community itself. But that's one danger. An embattled community will look to its home as its castle and draw up the drawbridge when it's inside, sing some nice hymns to get a good feel about things, and then go out and face the nasty world cheered up by what's happened inside. The other danger, it seems to me, is the roof. The space has to be covered of course, especially in climes like this. But you have to get the balance between safe space for people to say their prayers, to sing their hymns, to seek inspiration, to encourage each other – that's what it's all about really – in a space that is definable, at the same time creating the impression that there is no roof because all that happens if it's real is sub specie aeternitatis. It's true, something that is seen by the eye of God himself. Now in the days when you could count on Gothic to provide perpendicularity, you got the sense of the upward soaring of the spirit in that kind of space. Now that's no longer what happens on the whole. You have to achieve that or aim to achieve that even though your ceilings are a little bit lower, your thresholds should be a bit bigger. So you have a challenge as architects. I'm not an architect, I'm delighted I'm not an architect. But let me just tell you from the world of theology how we theologians have over the centuries with our words and our philosophizing and our formulaic responses to faith built equally formidable constructions within which faith has had a good chance to die. That actually faith, if it's real, needs fresh air, and buildings should create a sense of air that can be breathed, relationships that can be developed, and freedoms that can be enjoyed, and security that can be experienced, all of that within a space that is still within four walls, as well as the upward thing of course. Now what I've chosen to do, because clearly I'd like to be the typical Methodist Minister who has accomplished the art of speaking in Fidel Castro length utterances, I must try and do it in seven minutes, is suggest that perhaps the eye might be off the ball if we stuck to the idea of the built environment because that isn't on the whole where interesting and lively forms of religious practice are being experienced. What do I mean by that? Well, pilgrimages are popular, very popular just at the moment, not just Compostela and Walsingham and all kinds of places. Even at Wesley's Chapel, we just walk from St Paul's Cathedral to the chapel every 24th of May, our patronal festival. And solvitur ambulando, all kinds of things get settled in the mind whilst you're on the march that sitting there week after week doesn't always do it. And just getting the rain on you and braving the elements and daring to show your faith in public is a real extra ingredient. High-octane Christianity. Kids love pilgrimages, they'll go on gapers with their backpacks and so on and attempt great pilgrimages, the walks that have been traditionally done over the centuries. I remember I had a good friendship with Cardinal Hume whilst he was alive, and I remember him telling me how every year he would go with 12 bus loads of students from London University to Lourdes, and the excitement of the young...
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John Mcaslan33:54
The experience with the people was palpable, magnificent, and the fellowship was brilliant. As soon as they got off the bus in London, he knew those kids would not go to church again for another year. Somehow we must subscribe to the idea that we live in an age that stubbornly persists in believing, yet does not want to believe in a sense that demands belonging. That leads me to think we need fewer churches with better liturgies and better facilities rather than perpetuating all kinds of things. Retreats are another area where this is on display. People love going to a monastery for a few days of silence—Sbos in North Wales, or the great thing on television down in the south of England. These command attention, a break from routine, meeting new people, all a challenge but very popular. There's a national retreat movement that catalogs places with great history, wonderful architecture, secluded and beautiful settings, especially attractive since they added on sweet rooms. How do you explain the phenomenon I picked up from the Church Times: architects bid to design a monument to prayer under the aegis of the RIBA? A competition has been set up with a million bricks to build a monument to answered prayer, taking inspiration from the Angel of the North. They want to put a chapel and visitor center alongside a motorway to remind people that prayer is answered. Five were shortlisted—three from Britain, one from Denmark, one from Italy—with intriguing designs. It's a bona fide competition under the RIBA. We'll wait for the results, but once again, monuments, significant, inspirational. How would you explain Taizé in Burgundy? I used to go there and teach English literature to the monastic community. They were fond of Gerard Manley Hopkins. Translating Hopkins into French is virtually impossible, and Taizé is virtually impossible. A Swiss pastor after WWII horrified by the war built an establishment across the border so Germans and French could find refuge together. Brother Roger, whom I knew, was assassinated not long ago. He insisted on not having a fine building; he situated himself within sight of Cluny, the biggest monastery of the Middle Ages. He never wanted to go down that road of triumphalism and power lust. They worship in a hangar—even that's a grand title. Its prevailing quality is darkness, because you don't want to see anything, especially if Catholics and Protestants are there for communion. Pope John XXIII called it a little springtime for the church. Hundreds of thousands of young people gather there every summer. How do you explain that? Not on the basis of a grand place, but the opposite. We are trying to grasp something by its tail. For me, the finest of simple ideas—I just came back from India, in Kerala. I was at the top of a mountain, everything was beautiful. I wanted to bottle it and bring it back, but I knew once bottled it was dead. As a child lepidopterist, I loved butterflies, but when displayed in my cabinet they were no longer alive. The challenge is to create a space within which things can live, breathe, and flourish. That's it.
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Sophia40:04
Good evening everyone. I'd like to talk about the lived experience of places of worship. We've talked about how they're created and how we interact with faith, but I want to explore what happens when people inhabit these spaces, have to look after them, and adapt them to new needs. The landscape of religious buildings is complex. Different faiths bring different liturgies and sacredness, but they all share spaces created to bring community together. As each of us belongs to multiple communities, so do places of worship have multiple communities around them. I want to look at the relationship between the faith community and the local community. At a time when community spaces are under threat, places of worship have a new opportunity and challenge: how to open doors to those not practicing faith, to become community hubs. I'd like to look at specific projects from our work with empowering design practices, particularly the power of design to transform these spaces, not just in the hands of architects but also in the hands of people reimagining their spaces. One example is a church in Oxfordshire, around 900 years old. The village needed a new village hall but never got it, so the community came together and decided to repurpose the church as both church and village hall. They removed the pews to create flexible space, added services, and brought in local craftsmen. Now it hosts parties, children's groups, Pilates, lunch clubs, workshops, and a cinema club. Moving the font from its previous position allowed more intimate christenings and flexible services. Another example is a vest hall in Sheffield used by the Isara Somali Community Association. They took over the building from the local authority, wanting to keep it as a safe haven for their Muslim community while being open to everyone. They used design to explore the building's potential, building a model and engaging with local people. Finally, the Sheffield Buddhist Centre, a former Roman Catholic church. There was tension over the 'Buddha in the belfry'—people imagined brightly colored enormous statues, but it turned out to be a discreet, beautiful sculpture. The moment highlights the need for conversations about shared spaces. Thank you.
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Matthew Taylor51:13
So I've completely failed to keep the panel to time, but I thought it was interesting and worth it. We're going to take five or six minutes of points or questions from the floor. Be as quick as you can. Then I'll invite the panel to come back and make one point in response. So let's do quick-fire interactivity. Yes, a gentleman there—wait for the microphone, tell us your name and make your brilliant short point.
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Julian B52:00
Thank you very much for inspiring me with the beautiful designs of modern churches. I go to a Gothic Cathedral and it's great to be reminded that there are different ways to worship. At St Albans Cathedral, I feel close to God in that space, and it's lovely to see it used for fashion shows, music concerts, and other things.
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James Walters52:44
I'm James Walters, chaplain at the LSE and director of our new multifaith centre. We heard primarily about buildings for particular faith communities, but increasingly we see requirements for shared space in airports and other public buildings. How can architecture facilitate Interfaith interaction?
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Kim Wilkey53:07
My name is Kim Wilkey. You haven't spoken about the spaces around places of worship, particularly cemeteries, given the pressure on burial space and how many faiths combine in cemeteries. The opportunity for celebration and contemplation there would be interesting to hear about.
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Nura Saiz53:34
Hi, my name is Nura Saiz. I'm wondering about the examples you showed were all contemporary interpretations of ancient religions. What about the most recent religions, like the Bahai faith, which reinterprets the relationship between worship and service and has its own architectural elements? Also new non-religious gatherings like Sunday Assembly.
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Caroline Newman54:21
I'm Caroline Newman on behalf of the Lettering Arts Trust. Picking up on the point about cemeteries and other spaces, I'd love a comment on the use of craftsmanship in maintaining contemporary architecture and bringing older crafts into the modern environment.
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Jillian Ashmore54:52
Jillian Ashmore from the Quaker community. I wondered about the relationship between the architect and decision takers in different religions. Has that proved a difficulty, and does it stand in the way of new ideas?
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Jennifer Sturk55:12
I'm Jennifer Sturk, a fashion designer. I'm wondering about the idea of beauty and that essence of a transcending vehicle and how important you think beauty is in spaces for faith.
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Matthew Taylor55:35
Right, okay. That was a brilliant set of questions. The panel have got two minutes each to respond. We'll start with you, Lord Griffith. Do you want to pick a couple of those questions?
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Lord Griffith55:56
Cemeteries—we have at our place a small cemetery, two-thirds of an acre, our total site including the building. We have 5,472 people buried there, our own catacombs, and a complete burial register. People come and sit out there for lunch. I agree that the cemetery is a great place for meditation about the shortness of our lives. Secondly, regarding decision takers: well, I'm in the House of Lords, where there aren't any decisions being taken. I invite them all to come to church, where we equip them to make decisions and think about ultimate realities. I want a population transposition from the hallowed halls of the House of Lords to George Dance the Younger's space on City Road, where I work most of my time.
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Aiden Potter57:30
I'd like to come in on the notion of cemetery as well. We visited a beautiful church near Durham, St Michael and All Angels, where they recognized that the cemetery and landscape around the church was a calm, reflective space. They created a program called 'Breathing Space' for mindfulness and reflection, open to everyone, even dog walkers. The other thing is beauty. I would add 'delight' to beauty. In architecture, delight is an essential ingredient. Beauty is personal, but delight is instinctive and natural. If a place delights us, it's doing its job.
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Matthew Taylor58:33
Very good, delight versus beauty. That'll be a future RSA event.
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John Mcaslan58:48
We think an interesting challenge is that many faiths take place behind closed doors, and we are a little fearful of what happens behind them. Exteriorizing faith and exploiting spaces around places of worship breaks down barriers. I'm fascinated by opportunities for different faiths to celebrate their activities more openly by stepping outside the front door.
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Aiden Potter59:30
I mean, as an architect, to answer the question about beauty: yes, you do search hopefully for beauty, but in transformative spaces you hope people are inspired. There are qualities of stillness, repose, and a mute quality that are more significant. Stillness in this frenetic world—that feeling sacred spaces offer, a moment to stop the world and dwell—is to me a more elusive quality.
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Matthew Taylor1:00:25
I'm really sorry, I'm running out of time and abusing my position as chair. Can you or maybe John answer the question: how is this conversation affected by the emergence of secular cathedrals, whether skyscrapers or football stadiums, now standing side by side with religious buildings?
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John Mcaslan1:00:54
I think Lewis Mumford, the great architectural critic, said that for 2,000 years architecture was the design of one room, signifying faith issues at the heart of great religions. But this investment has been dislodged in our cities by a concern to create other temples of worship. It's inevitable, not necessarily bad, but we have to search for mechanisms to give significance to a deep need for people to come to terms with profound issues that are not commercial. It's a real and diminishing need in society.
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Aiden Potter1:01:55
I'll be very quick and try not to be too flippant. Regarding cemeteries, I'll go back to my dear lost friend Irvine—he would find a way of building over a cemetery and protecting it. Cemeteries take huge areas of land, and we need to think about using them more effectively. I was in Brooklyn and saw that happening. Regarding religion, I went to school in the west of Scotland, which almost killed any interest in religion, being brought up in the Protestant community, which put me off for 50 years. But then we were bidding for a project in Italy for Max Mara, and I went into a church and prayed, and we won the commission. So I thought, this is it. I usually take my kids on site visits. The third thing about beauty: multifaith, multi-use, non-denominational spaces are the ones that excite me most. One of our most beautiful projects is a small school we built in Malawi. With a budget from DFID of £188,000, we designed a beautiful school with a split roof, five teaching spaces, and the space in between became a place where parents could watch their children learn, health workers could administer medicine, and it became a non-denominational space for prayer. It's very basic construction, but it says everything about what is important in life.
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Matthew Taylor1:05:03
I want to thank Ama and Security Limited for their generous support for tonight's event. It's been a brilliant conversation. I suspect there's a lot of people who know a great deal and people like me who don't know much, but what's fantastic is it's been an equally rich conversation for both. Please join me in thanking our fantastic panel. Thank you.