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Founder and Executive Chairman, John McAslan + Partners

SBS Event - Nejd Architecture: A Living Tradition by Mr John McAslan

🎥 Jun 30, 2021 📺 Saudi British Society ⏱ 70m 👁 1218 views
Welcome to the SBS virtual talk, via Zoom conducted on Wednesday 2nd June 2021 from 1730 to 1830 (5.30pm to 6.30pm) UK Time / 1930 to 2030 KSA Time. Our distinguished Speaker for this exclusive talk was Mr John McAslan CBE on his subject, Nejd Architecture: A Living Tradition. John McAslan + Partners (JMP) is an award-winning international architectural practice headquartered in London. A particular mark of the practice is its work in relation to the conservation and adaptation of historic buildings, such as its celebrated transformation of King’s Cross Station in London. John McAslan...
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Unknown0:00
onto the cliff good good hi edward oh hello caroline sorry i'm on speaker only now i'm so sorry i just was muddling the month i was in fire made such a total cock-up
don't worry don't worry at all
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William0:26
and lovely to see john good evening and elliott as well hi good evening good evening
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John Mcaslan0:33
good evening everybody
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William0:37
right very good just wait to see we'll wait for 5 30 before starting
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Unknown0:56
okay
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William1:01
is peter coming
hello everyone hello
hi hamidah how are you
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Hamidah1:20
fine thank you and yourself
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William1:21
very well thank you very pleased to be getting to the end of lockdown
well we hope and and saudi arabia is opening up i see
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Hamidah1:30
aloha yes
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William1:35
yeah trouble is if you go there you still have to spend two weeks in a hotel when you come back so my plans are still on hold
hamida i see you on face on um facebook from time to time yeah
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Hamidah1:51
not i know
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William1:54
no what am i thinking of then something else
so last time i saw you was in jeddah last january
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Hamidah2:04
uh yes yeah yeah
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William2:08
all right i'm getting mute now
i think i'll do the same i think it helps if you could i could ask all the those who are not speaking officially if you could go to mute that helps saves any background noises um
peter good afternoon peter harrigan
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Peter Harrigan2:36
hello john how are you i'm very well good
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William2:41
if there's any errors in what we took will you button and say well that was quite wrong
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Peter Harrigan2:46
yeah i i will as long as you're
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William3:03
okay i'll put my hand up yeah you you could do the reaction button
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Peter Harrigan3:07
yeah exactly exactly
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William3:11
right well we're at um i'll just admit participants as we come in but uh 5 30 we shall start um i want to welcome everybody to the latest uh zoom meeting of the saudi british society we're very pleased to have um john mccaslin the executive chairman of caslin and partners with us uh john is the chairman of a international architect and design practice which has completed a number of key projects in the middle east and in saudi arabia in particular and john over the years has come to understand appreciate and promote najd architecture and that's what he's going to talk to us about uh today um i'll just mention that john's practice architectural practice was named the world architect of the year in 2009 and in 2014 was awarded the queen's award for industry uh which is a particular honor uh for people with make outstanding contributions to exporting so we're very pleased to have john uh and his colleague elliot hill with us this evening to talk to us about the hd architecture we had a little debate about whether it's najd architecture we have decided that you can use both so um john will use nash and i'll use next and and i don't want any parents coming and picking us up on that thank you very much um so um without further ado john i'm going to hand over to you and elliot to give us a talk on uh najnaj architecture a living tradition at the talk will last for about 40 minutes and then john and elliot have very kindly agreed to take any questions so if you have questions you can put them in the chat box and i will see them and pose the questions uh at the end when when john and elliot finish with a presentation john over to you
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John Mcaslan5:19
thank you very much uh william um yes i'm gonna call it najd makes it easier for me is we've always probably mistakenly called it naj but i blame peter harrigan for that and um elliot my colleague will be sharing the presentation um i have rather dodgy internet so if a packs in eliot's take over um and he knows at least as much if not more and brings of course a youthful voice to the importance of nash as a living tradition so as william said i'm going to talk for about 40 minutes hopefully no longer and um i i'm just going to start by saying maybe the next slide mla is that is that i first went to to saudi arabia just 18 months ago that was the first first trip i made and that was um for a project and we're not we're bound by nda so we're not really allowed to say anything about the projects but they are cultural and and and of great excitement to us to be involved and the highlight of that trip actually was was to see nash architecture i have to say in that to reef and derea and i was greatly taken by by the architecture which i have to say i knew very little about before i went and particularly not that reminded me of scottish buildings or scottish keep towers but there was something about the stark and sort of handmade quality of those simple essentially mud brick structures of all scales that struck me and and the kind of elemental beauty of them and made me think well this isn't this isn't architecture of the past it's it's a has a timeless living quality um and so this afternoon i'm going to talk and elliot's going to to contribute to to talk about why we think nash desert is a living architecture and it's not just an architecture of the past but we're going to start with some a quick run through some of our other projects internationally because they sort of show we're sort of a wandering a wandering practice and take great delight in picking up projects which probably most people would turn away because they're usually complicated and they don't pay very well but they're of great interest to us next and the first of those effectively is a series of next of schools that we built in in malawi for the clinton foundation um beginning in 2009 and i hope that not these aren't our schools by the way they show something of the transformative power of very simple architecture i mean the schools as that we came across top left were overcrowded obviously poorly lit poorly constructed unsafe and actually the best spaces were those spaces which were outdoors for the kids so we were commissioned to look at um for night to build nine schools all north of la longway with arab engineers and next and for those projects we effectively decided that we would work within the budgets which had been established which was twenty five thousand dollars or ten dollars a square foot which is very low to build anything and that we of course would look to transform the quality of those schools not just in terms of um their architectural quality but also of course in the environmental and lighting and and um and opportunities and so on the right is one of the schools we built it had a split roof a ventilated roof was built effectively on site with handmade bricks and local timber and is included within the schools is what we call the space in between next which was the you can see on the picture of the left and it shows how something as simple as that made such a difference effectively we split the classrooms we added this external classrooms at the end as as per the slide i showed at the beginning and the space in between became phenomenally important because mothers of kids who were being taught would look through the barn doors see their kids being taught also be taught how to read to to read and write and then at weekends when the school was closed up that space would become a kind of health clinic for the local community and so it was extraordinarily purposeful and and functional but also we think something of something very simple and elegant and elemental and um in its construction next
northwest of fez we um which is one again one of our slightly unusual projects this for those who know it's the furthest south into africa that the romans um penetrated and but there's also south of the the main settlement is a islamic um settlement itself obviously a later islamic settlement and that's really what interested me um next and so we developed a project with the university college london the university of meknes and the ministry of culture in morocco which looked at um effectively a project which excavated and opened that site um for for a greater understanding of this form and courtyard housing there's a command that's being repaired and that work which was led by a wonderful archaeologist called elizabeth fentress goes on today and brings i think this interest extraordinary kind of comparison between the roman and the islamic later islamic settlement next
um we're also involved in in significant number of educational projects with students and this was called the one-year house which was built by two wonderful architectural association students julia king and asif khan and we gave them a little bursary award and with that they traveled extensively to the thai burmese border and worked with the local community to build these amazing bamboo houses with an adjustable roof a bit like an adjustable version of our malawi schools and um passed on those those skills of of effectively developing innovative ways of working with um materials a wide group of um of the locals
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William12:08
please salman can you i'll put them on mute i thought it might be william i thought that might be a fight going on but i thought well there can't be a fight in the show on your goal now so
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John Mcaslan12:34
and the the the project ended with asif and julia effectively dividing developing a handbook to continue the to to guide going forward the the building of these what they call the one-year house of course they lasted significantly more than one year one years and and you know i think that shows you know for young architects the fact or to to people in it who are here that young architects are interested in this stuff i mean you know this is the future of working with local materials and looking at ecological and responsible ways of building and asif and julia typified that enthusiasm and commitment to go far away far as far afield to develop skills and then of course to put these in practice uh wherever they were fortunate enough to work next
and then lastly probably could be a whole series of lectures i guess on its own is that is a florida southern college in florida and florida southern was one of the last buildings set of buildings developed by frank lloyd wright the great american architect who developed effectively his own form of sort of nash construction building on effectively developing buildings made of effectively uh air concrete blocks textile blocks in that they were stacked vertically and then connected horizontally and vertically with reinforcement and um this photograph on the left is right on the left with lud m spivey who was this extraordinary director of florida southern college who befriended wright and convinced bright to build a series of buildings the the the lake the lakeland campus which on the right probably the best known building is the annie pfeiffer chapel in the middle this lady who looks to be levitating on the lawn is that what was called the polk county science building which was possibly the worst ever desert building designed by frank lloyd wright and is one which we were challenged to repair and restore next the key thing about florida southern though as i said was that it was it utilized rather crudely made block concrete blocks each were about three feet long by food high crumbling and the buildings around them were crumbling so we developed with arab engineers um the sort of super strong replacement block and in various formations which allowed the buildings to be stabilized and on the right you can see somebody actually from trent concrete taking um effectively building prototype elements of blocks which could then be tested and i used to hold these over to uh on virgin atlantic economy to orlando and then take them to the site and of course the client thought it was a complete maniac that why was i there and why was i interested in these buildings but it's because it was extraordinary that one of the great architects in the world frank lloyd wright had experimented with this form of construction of handmade buildings over an extended period which had failed but which were still glorious buildings in their own right and i felt sort of compelled to try and contribute to their repair and reuse next
and then so the building we actually ended up being commissioned for the pulp county science building which was about to be demolished it wasn't protected we rebuilt as a science building um uh back in 2005
and lastly there is actually one completing project which is actually probably the closest to nest is a group of museums that we built in doha formed within four courtyard houses constructed in some in in effectfully adobes others in rubble masonry next and they became you can see the four martin red really the only buildings which were retained in the heart of doha which became part of a major redevelopment where we were architects for a number of buildings and landscapes but one of our principal commissions was to save those buildings and to restore as museums next
we we started off in a way in a way that really would be um equivalent to looking at the nash building which was to sort of unpick how the original building was constructed so this was a typical um courtyard house not one of the houses actually returned to museum but it was the house which we effectively took apart and then reconstructed in order that we understood how it was made this in this case it wasn't adobe it was it was sort of rubble it was kind of rubble masonry with um with pantry lintels and and and and beams and earth fired earth roofs richly decorated doors but but you can imagine similar similar in character albeit much later than nash architecture and consisting of all of the sort of challenges which this sort of sort of hybrid historic um masonry or adobe constructed buildings consist of so that was in a way our introduction to comparable building types which we then repaired and mixed and brought back into use as a series of museums with sort of significant interventions which in a way nash buildings need if they are in in many cases so inserting modern services um threading those through the existing fabric um improving the compressive strength of the structure itself um and in this case introducing various museum functions uh within the four buildings so they could be used as museums which tells the story of the past the present and future of doha next
so not the large context i mean i'm not for a moment going to try and tell people about the subject that they know much more about but we as probably most of you will know and you'll know a lot more than i do that nash funds the geographical center of saudi arabia accounts for about twenty percent of its area and about thirty percent of its population spread across 40 or so cities and 1200 villages the region's about a thousand kilometers long 750 kilometers wide it slopes from its highest point to the west down eastward and it's probably typified as illustrated in this photograph photographic illustration of these wonderful valleys and wadi's that extend through um and in this instance one of the great um wadis in in central arabia which for thousands of years has nurtured oasis communities and through seasonal floods brought fertile soil silt and mud to its banks creating essential material for agriculture and building and crucially of course not only does that happen but it's also climatically one of the most arid regions in all of the world which suffers long hot and totally dry summers with daytime temperatures that can reach 50 degrees centigrade and when the rain comes of course which is typical of desert rainfall it usually results in violent rainstorms where about half of the years rainfall can occur in a day leading to obviously in some cases catastrophic flooding next
i'm now going to pass over actually to to um elliot who's going to talk a bit about um the specifics of that to reef and um derea and which in a way is this sort of heart of our interest and ellie would you like to yes if you can talk and control that would be great
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Elliot Hill21:14
great thank you john um yeah first i would just like to say yeah i think well as john sort of rightly pointed out i think our sort of fascination in national architecture came from sort of a various um array of projects that we were working on in the region and sort of as john's rightly mentioned we kind of took a a deep dive into the origins of sort of the the native architecture of natchez and sort of what shown here i think was you know essentially our um sort of first look at sort of understanding the region's architecture and its origin so that being the atari world heritage site so sort of what i'll start to do now is essentially go through a series of slides that i think sort of started to captivate and um sort of understand give us a better understanding of nash architecture so the image here was um you know while while we were working on the project sort of became our first sort of fascination points um sort of purely from its sort of incredible scale and its sort of relationship to the context and its sense of place and organic nature was something quite taken by and it's sort of tonal qualities and the textual um openings and um purely the how organic the built forms are of of nash and i think that kind of sparked our sort of interest and and deep dive into international um so so sort of from that we kind of we basically started to explore um atari and and what's shown here is essentially a snippet of of that area and as i've shown that sort of varying urban grains and courtyards and footprints and spatial arrangements that essentially make up um the sort of origins of of nations and how that comes about so i think what sort of shown here is the slightly finer detail to fully understand from urbanistic point of view um and what was striking from the outset was the sheer organic form so in comparison say modern urban grids that are i guess very much driven by um sort of contemporary views this this is purely driven by its elements and the environment um surrounding it so it sort of it began to you know mitigate the issues of the prevailing winds and disrupting the wind flow and the sand and you know that its inherent harsh nature of of the region and i think secondly what was really striking was how large some of the footprints and of the blocks became compared to the internal spatial arrangements and you know it what we see in some sort of modern um contemporary grids from such as say the manhattan grid where you've kind of got these mega blocks and they're very dense but what works quite well here with uh what we found quite fascinating was that you have these very large footprints but their thoughts are very well through the series of courtyards that offer that sort of inward looking secure zone um for the dwellings that essentially make up those sort of larger footprints
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John Mcaslan25:57
thanks if you just go back for a moment i think the other thing that struck us was that whilst at the rafe had monumental buildings and policies this simple courtyard dwelling in the spaces between and the alleyways which probably was the most interesting to us and also demonstrated that those very simple you know crumbling dwellings were logical and providing a natural response to the to the you know the specifically harsh climatic conditions um and with thermal and economic and social and other environmental attributes ensuring that indoor indoor temperatures were cool in summer and warm in winter so we seem to think well i mean that's so relevant to what we need to be thinking about today so in those simple buildings there were a lot of clues we felt i think to to a kind of ecologically responsible way of looking at the architecture of the of the future next
and then and then in all of this is all about mud you know mud mud glorious mud you know one of the oldest materials used in construction you know it's a mix of water and and organic soil in a way is that is at the heart of of nourished architecture but that expression of mud bricks there's many variants of it there's earth bricks soil bricks there's cob there's adobe the sun dried bricks there's clay bricks the stabilized bricks and there's rammed earth which is a fantastic material when it's used in its in its mud form but also in its concrete form as a as a stable material and of course you take all of that and with the distinct patterns and colors of of that of that mud based architecture and you get a compelling language of buildings of buildings which are both large and small but those buildings next aren't of course just typical of of um saudi arabia because there's something like a quarter of the world's population live in mud dwellings and those dwellings are spread across the globe in china across africa and across the americas so it's it's you know it's it's it's an architectural type which has been found to be to work for billions and billions of people um and therefore warrants attention thanks
and then this this group of slides again which i'm going to ask elliot to take you through is just sort of shows when you take all of that and you try to then analyze nash architecture in in its sort of most elemental form we we beg we began to kind of categorize those in a way that we felt began to make some sense for us so ellie would you like to go through those
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Elliot Hill29:00
yes thank you john and yeah i think yeah just to touch on that point again it's i think yeah the following slides we essentially um was from our research that we undertook as part of our projects and it was it was essentially breaking down those into sort of the key principles of what essentially does does nash architecture sort of represent and i think it will become quite apparent as we go through these it reveals you know these principles are used not only in the region but also you know they're fundamental to you know other um architectures even such as the earlier project that john showed to the sheriff museum so it was it was quite a an eye-opening sort of research topic for us so yeah at the first slide essentially starts to show um you know the fascinating outcomes of not only the built form but the the wider context which obviously you know the the wadis and the landscapes that's formed from its natural resources and how that is such an integral part to the development of national architecture you know we wouldn't have one without the other the the wally and the landscape is is really integral to the development of nash so it was quite fundamental for us to understand the agricultural patterns and the water and how that actually starts to form and and once again it is of that very natural organic form which is it's quite inspiring to see secondly to that was really the as we've sort of slightly touched on previously was the the urban and built form and how atari particular um it's a series of these sort of much larger mega blocks that are then broken down into individual dwellings that are then interconnected by these um key uh interwinding meandering routes that open up into much larger sort of urban rooms as they were where people can gather and be sort of secure away from those prevailing winds and that the sands and the harsh environment that comes alongside that and then secondly to that was the individual and the collective so i think as kind of previously mentioned as well the larger footprint you know it's it was then broken down into this sort of collection of of buildings and they were all interwined by those larger courtyards that come off of those from the sort of thousands two thousand square meter larger footprints but within that is obviously the much more grandeur buildings that are almost identified for us as the individuals so these were the palaces and the much larger grander buildings that then made up that footprint as well so not only did you have the footprints being broken down by individual dwellings but you had the larger footprints being occupied by sort of one soul uh individual building which you know gives not only the focal point but sort of an anchoring to the to the urban realm which was quite interesting
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John Mcaslan32:25
ellie if i can just move into yes i think the other thing that it shows is that if you think of knives it's not your type of building which is limited to one or two stories you can see a building on the left and the building in the bottom there i mean these are six eight ten floors and it's a little like that we think of timber construction because of course now you can build with you know in them hybrid timber structures 12 14 floors so it's not it's not as if nash is restricted to low scale domestic it's its opportunities are great not just as demonstrated here historically but today at building structures of much greater volume and and density thank you um
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Elliot Hill33:10
yeah and then and then yeah as further to that was sort of essentially the the thresholds and courtyards and and how they essentially made up an integral part to i guess not not just the success of managed architecture but to the way that they allow the dwellings to almost centralize around secure private spaces and now allow sort of the occupants not to be exposed um to again the elements but also it extends sort of the importance and the arrival of coming into those spaces through these sort of grander thresholds that you know provided that secure layer but also gave that sense of of a rival to those urban squares and and opening up and um it gives a sense of the greater boundary and grandeur and as we can see here as well as is some of the range of scales that the courtyard started to take shape in these sort of larger footprints so you can see here some buildings had much grander courtyard spaces not to the scale of much wider sort of urban squares but much larger open courtyards which might have been more towards the individual building with their larger courtyard whereas some you can see had multiple courtyards sort of hinting at the the idea that multiple dwellings are located within that zone so it was quite intriguing to see that the courtyard typology had many many forms within atari and not only here but in the wider sort of nashed context and then almost finally the bree as previously discussed the development at tariff was born out of its environment and and context so essentially so is the materiality and as we sort of touched upon that you know one one doesn't work without the other from the landscape and the wadi to nash so the importance and the local resources of that became sort of integral uh to the building and and what's quite um what we found quite fascinating was sort of this vivid array of um you know sustainable materials that you know as as of now we all know that you know the importance of sustainable architecture is is an incredibly hot topic but also you know it should be something that shouldn't be forgotten and it was almost you know we had we they had it right at the at the very start here with you know the use of the the tamarisk polls from the landscape and you know it's almost this life cycle of of timelessness of the landscape to the architecture and and one complements the other and um yeah i think as you can see here like that
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John Mcaslan36:09
The principles of Najd architecture include creative openings, materiality, and a timeless tradition. It is not a style but an approach to building that responds to climate and place. Examples like the Al-Khindi Palace and Henning Larson's foreign affairs building show how contemporary architecture can capture the essence of Najd. Repair and renewal of historic buildings must avoid romanticism and honestly express the ruin while strengthening and repurposing. This living tradition has a central role in the Kingdom's sustainable future, especially under Vision 2030 and climate change.
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William44:06
Thank you John and Elliot for a fascinating talk. Now I'm going to open up to questions. I've got one in the chat room. I'll invite Caroline to unmute and ask her question, then Malcolm, then Peter Harrigan.
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Caroline44:40
Thank you for that interesting talk. I'm very interested in the principles of architecture you discussed. I recall the Iranian embassy in the diplomatic quarter – isn't it built in a negative fashion? Does it work?
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John Mcaslan45:21
Thank you for your kind comments. I can't answer specifically about the Iranian embassy, but I believe a diplomatic building should reflect those traditions. The key is to respect the essence of what makes Najd buildings important, rather than creating stylistic replications or pastiche. It's a challenge we face everywhere, including Britain, to develop authentic buildings that capture the essence without mimicking.
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Caroline47:26
It's so important to develop traditional Najd architecture. Whenever I've stayed in an Arab house with a central courtyard, it's worked – it's cool and the air circulates. I'm glad we're moving away from Western architecture with external windows.
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John Mcaslan47:49
I will investigate the Iranian embassy and get back to you via William. But be careful not to get arrested while photographing it.
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William48:13
Malcolm, you can ask your question.
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Malcolm48:17
Hello John, Malcolm here. Fascinating talk, especially the early context. My question is: Where do you think these architectural principles are applicable in an urban design sense? They were designed for smaller settlements without cars and modern infrastructure. Have you developed principles to apply them at a wider scale?
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John Mcaslan49:06
Brilliant question. We haven't developed formal principles, but we have begun to look at scaling up through projects like Msheireb in Doha. That master plan reinterprets Qatari historic architecture with a grain of streets and alleyways, introducing public transport. With 120 buildings on a site comparable to King's Cross, it shows that density and urban patterning can create a place resonant with historic cities. You start with grain, patterning, mobility, and sustainability. The language of Najd can be scaled to any size by adjusting density and openness. You wouldn't build an entire city of Najd, but you can retain the best, repair and repurpose, and allow new buildings to share that language. Buildings come and go, but you must hold onto what creates a sense of place.
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William55:52
Thank you. Peter, please ask your question. If anyone else wants to ask, put your hand up or message me.
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Peter Harrigan56:09
Thank you William, Elliot, and John. Fascinating connection with your Msheireb experience. Given the Al Thani claim ancestry from Ashaga north of Riyadh, and the predominant population of Qataris from Najd, so you were dealing with a pan-Najd architecture. My question is on modern techniques: schools in Riyadh used to close after heavy rain so kids could help repair water damage to mud buildings. What techniques are available now to prevent water damage to mud external surfaces?
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John Mcaslan57:26
First, we must recognize that there is a limit to what we can do against extreme weather. Mud buildings are particularly subject to erosion. But repair is possible. I drew an analogy from repairing Frank Lloyd Wright's buildings in Florida Southern, where we increased compressive strength by using stronger concrete blocks. Similarly, you can incorporate admixtures into mud blocks to strengthen them and improve water resistance. It requires significant investment in developing appropriate mixes. We are not promoting a romantic view of Najd in its ruinous state; it has issues like pest infestation and service integration. But by working with the fabric, stripping back, and inserting stiffening elements, we can strengthen and repurpose. In Doha, we incorporated pitched roofs and larger downpipes. It's possible with ingenuity and understanding of what is appropriate to maintain.
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Elliot Hill1:03:23
As a young architect faced with the challenge of repairing and strengthening a Najd building, what have I missed? Are there entire techniques I should consider?
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John Mcaslan1:03:35
You covered a lot. I would say it requires a large time investment to develop traditional techniques mixed with contemporary. Through projects, we trialed different mixtures to retain the traditional approach while withstanding rainfall. It's always going to have issues like any historic architecture, but modern engineering can provide solutions. It's just a matter of time and resource to develop further.
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William1:05:04
Well, there's a challenge for all you building material specialists: find a component that retains the traditional nature of Najd architecture but makes it waterproof.
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John Mcaslan1:05:15
There is one approach we began to investigate, which we haven't built yet. It may sound counterintuitive: to build Najd authentically, you start building and adjust as you go – knock down walls, create courtyards, strengthen with steel and concrete, and allow the building to evolve during construction. It's like fast-tracking a 300-year cycle of building, repair, and extension. At the end, you get something authentic that has been adjusted to meet the brief. It incorporates redundancy and circular economy, reusing what you remove. We'd love an opportunity to try it if anyone is mad enough to commission us.
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William1:09:42
I'll bear that in mind when people in Saudi Arabia ask me to fix old buildings. I'll know just the man. We've run over time. On behalf of the Saudi British Society, thank you John and Elliot for a fascinating talk on Najd architecture. I hope the Saudis appreciate what they have and do the right things to preserve and evolve it. It has scope as Saudi Arabia projects itself as a place to visit. Thank you all, and we'll be in touch with the next talk.