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Robert Youngjohns
Chairman of the Board, ABBYY Group

Robert Youngjohns, ABBYY | CUBE Conversation, May 2020

🎥 May 01, 2020 📺 SiliconANGLE theCUBE ⏱ 20m
Robert Youngjohns, Chairman, ABBYY, sits down with Dave Vellante for a Digital CUBE Conversation. #CUBEConversation ...
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Narrator0:01
From theCUBE studios in Palo Alto and Boston, connecting with thought leaders around the world. This is theCUBE conversation.
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Dave Vellante0:09
Hi everybody. This is Dave Vellante and welcome back to my ongoing coverage of CXOs in the mix of this pandemic, Robert Youngjohns this year. He's now the chairman of Abbyy. Robert, great to see you again.
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Robert Youngjohns0:25
Thank you. Great to see you too.
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Dave Vellante0:27
Hey, last time I think we talked when you were on theCUBE, you were kind of in the middle of going through quite an unwinding of HP. So you've been quite busy since then, but I've got to ask you, thinking back a few years ago, what did you learn through that whole process?
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Robert Youngjohns0:46
What did I learn through the whole process of coming out of HP or in HP? I thought—
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Dave Vellante0:50
Coming out. The unwinding.
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Robert Youngjohns0:52
The unwinding. I think it was something we talked about the last time we were together, which is that the software industry is an incredible industry to be in, it's always in churn. New companies are created and new ideas come to the fore, old ideas drop out on the side, and you have to make choices: either participate in that tremendous upswing or say, 'I'm a legacy software company,' make as much money as possible out of the software you had. And I guess what I really learned in that transition was...
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Dave Vellante1:29
Which kind of brings me to this new role. Abbyy, not a lot of people may know about them, but they're a large company, billion dollars growing very nicely. What attracted you to come to Abbyy?
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Robert Youngjohns1:41
Well, after I left HP, I spent a little time working with McKinsey and then consulted with a company called Automation Anywhere, which is in the robotic process automation space. I've been very enthralled about that space: the automation of business processes, the concept of digital labor, digital workforce. Then I came across Abbyy, which specializes in some pieces of the RPA puzzle that haven't been fully cracked yet. One is identification of the process you need to automate — it sounds obvious, but a lot of companies still struggle over that. Secondly, provision of the data that feeds these robotic processes, often from unstructured data sources like documents, scans, PDFs, screen scrapes. Abbyy fits extremely well into that part of the RPA value proposition. They are a Russian company relocating to the US, which I think will be very helpful, and they asked me to help with that relocation and ensure they participate fully in the growth of the RPA space.
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Dave Vellante2:52
Well, it's a hot space. I think a lot of people are paving the cow path — taking mundane tasks and automating without thinking through an entire transformation. But customers are saving a lot of money. What's your vision for the automation future generally and specifically for Abbyy?
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Robert Youngjohns3:16
A lot of early automation was about very simplistic tasks. It's frightening how many of those exist — people spending days shuffling data from one source to another. But automation gets more sophisticated. Enterprises need to get very clear on their high-value processes, how they actually operate in practice rather than how they'd design them, and then automate. To do that, we need process identification tooling and to crack the biggest single problem of RPA: making sure all the data processes need is available. That data can come from documents, scans, screen scrapes, but it must be extracted intelligently, recognizing context, and fed into the right parts of the automation sequence. Those two front ends are where many existing vendors are slow to move, and that's where Abbyy has differentiation and value.
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Dave Vellante4:33
So you talk about a digital intelligence company. Is that what you mean by digital intelligence — not just reading forms and PDFs, but putting them in context? Can you add color?
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Robert Youngjohns4:46
It gets broader than that. A critical part is that a lot of data in enterprises isn't fully digital. People still submit orders via fax or scans. Digital intelligence comes from understanding how business processes really happen within your enterprise, applying a new analytic lens. Then you can automate, but more interestingly, you can look at how processes operate and link them more efficiently. Historically, companies took whatever SAP, Oracle, or Financials defined and built their business around it. In this new world, if you understand how processes actually operate and create analytics around that, you can innovate around processes and gain competitive advantage. It's enabled by tools to find out what's happening, extract unstructured data, and apply analytics to ask, 'Could we do this smarter?' For example, if analytics show that A always goes to C instead of A→B→C, that becomes the new concept. That encapsulates what we think the digital enterprise looks like.
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Dave Vellante6:32
So what's the sweet spot for Abbyy? Ideal customer profile?
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Robert Youngjohns6:42
Process-rich organizations at the front end of those processes with high amounts of unstructured data — anything from PDF to scan to screen scrape. Your orders come in, insurance payments come in. Paperwork-heavy organizations, using 'paper' in a general sense. Those companies benefit most from automation and from what Abbyy offers.
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Dave Vellante7:14
You mentioned earlier companies struggle to understand what processes to automate. How do you do that? Is that where AI or machine learning comes in?
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Robert Youngjohns7:25
That's the biggest problem of the automation market. Obvious processes were automated first by business process outsourcers. But for high-value processes, it's about analytics. Traditional tools like SAP or Oracle throw out huge amounts of information, and you can track how a process actually maps out. Analytics applied to that is where real value comes. Abbyy has a product called Timeline PI that provides intelligence on actual flow — you might find loops from C back to B due to errors. Based on that, you can prioritize which processes to automate. This front end is critical. We're not short of data; it's about having tools to analyze it, reduce it to business flows, and identify where improvements through automation create value.
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Dave Vellante9:10
One of the things we talked about was disruption. Many industries haven't been disrupted — financial services, healthcare, government. Do you think COVID-19 will change that?
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Robert Youngjohns9:39
Absolutely. It's forced us to use remote technologies for meetings, and we're realizing it's a massive productivity boost. I had a trip to Chicago planned — would have taken three days. We did it in six hours over Zoom, and the output was better because everyone was prepared. Board meetings are running on time, not getting distracted. The productivity lift is substantial. My wife did a remote doctor consultation — more efficient. Almost every industry will see this, and it may never go back to the old way of jumping on planes for everything.
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Dave Vellante11:20
Telehealth example is good. Over your career you've observed large and small companies. Let's start with smaller VC-funded startups. What do you see? What kind of companies will emerge strong from this pandemic?
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Robert Youngjohns11:51
Two sets of answers. The companies succeeding will be those in remote working automation space. Practical short-term advice: survival — cash preservation. Every company I work with is in cash preservation mode, making tough decisions to stay in business. But more importantly, focus on building competitive advantage for when this is over. Reach out to struggling customers, acknowledge their struggles, put deals on the table that win loyalty over five to ten years, even at expense of short-term revenue. Use remote technologies to make customer calls you wouldn't have made. I talked to a senior Microsoft executive, and he said three months ago he'd fly to cities for meetings; now he does ad hoc 10–15 minute calls across time zones, making him much more intimate with customers. That's a massive difference.
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Dave Vellante14:14
We're seeing a bifurcation in IT spending from COVID-19. Some startups have half a billion in the bank; some large companies are struggling but have strong products like WebEx. If you're running a large company now, where would you focus?
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Robert Youngjohns15:05
It's not that different from a small company. Get cash and spending under control — use it as a catalyst to clean house and run efficiently. But also focus on coming out of this in a more competitive position: create customer intimacy and loyalty by acknowledging clients' difficulties. Large companies may have more inertia, but the approach is the same.
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Dave Vellante16:04
Are you seeing new pricing models emerge from the pandemic? Cloud companies often charge yearly terms; some are moving to pay-per-use. Do you see that changing?
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Robert Youngjohns16:42
I'm seeing a little differently. The subscription model is clearly right. Companies with subscription revenues feel better about life than those on perpetual licenses. But I'm also seeing companies respond to clients with payment holidays, asking for something in return — like references, executive access, or extended contract terms. It's a two-way street. Could be as trivial as a reference or as significant as a five-year renewal.
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Dave Vellante17:59
The vendor community seems to be doing better than in 2008–2009; maybe because we're all in this together. Last question, Robert: What should we pay attention to regarding your tenure at Abbyy? What are you trying to accomplish?
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Robert Youngjohns18:46
We want Abbyy to participate in the RPA market with unique value. The team is incredibly talented — development out of Moscow, great product managers and executives. If we bring that together with analytic layers, we can make a real difference in the perceived value of RPA. If we do that, we can avoid the 'silent despair' after the initial burst and get into long-term sustainable growth of the sector. We want to be part of that, and I believe we can.
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Dave Vellante19:47
It's a hot sector, one of the highest spending momentum areas. Even before the pandemic, we said automation was a tailwind. Congratulations on the new role. Great to see you again.
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Robert Youngjohns20:08
Thank you. Thanks for inviting me. I really appreciate it.
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Dave Vellante20:11
All right, thank you for watching. This is Dave Vellante. We'll see you next time on our CXO series.