Thomas Hansmann3:49
I think there are, of course, the potential going from the liquid iron to the production of product heat — reaching that upstream, the potential is the biggest and the need to do something is the most important one, that's clear. In the downstream, luckily, if you have a different flowsheet, you have electric arc furnace for the production of long products, then you are already one step ahead because you don't have the utilization of fossil fuels to the extent that you have in the upstream area. This is why we are trying to offer solutions in order to find ways either to electrify reheating furnaces and something like that, pointing at renewable energy, or if necessary, also the utilization of hydrogen in combustion processes. Even if I think that's not the best way to use hydrogen — just to burn it — but if necessary, we can do it and we can also offer solutions. And on top, I think one of the most important features we have to think about is the energy optimization, because still today, I believe there's a huge potential in the organization of a steel plant in order to minimize energy consumption. And energy consumption minimization means less CO2 emissions. This is the digital world we are also offering solutions for — complete steel plants, more or less complex, in order to optimize that.