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Norbert Zimmermann
Chairman of the Supervisory Board, SBO AG (formerly Schoeller-Bleckmann Oilfield Equipment AG)

Being an entrepreneur – what does it mean? Practical experiences | Mag. Norbert Zimmermann

🎥 Sep 20, 2020 📺 Austrian Institute of Economics & Social Philosophy ⏱ 64m 👁 368 views
AUSTRIAN ACADEMY 2020 "Market Economy and Entrepreneurship – Their Contribution to a Free and Humane Society," September 17–20, 2020, at the Seminar Hotel Friedrichshof (Zurndorf, Burgenland). This event was held in cooperation with the Friedrich August von Hayek Foundation for a Free Society (Berlin) and with the support of the Federation of Austrian Industries. Dr. Bernhard Weber (ICEP, Vienna) in conversation with Norbert Zimmermann (Chairman of the Supervisory Board of SBO and, until March 2020, of Berndorf AG) on the topic: "Being an Entrepreneur – What Does That Mean? Practical Experien...
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Norbert Zimmermann31:04
It is a matter of trust, and then you assign people accordingly. I saw the biggest problem was that people were selected and promoted not by qualification but by club membership. That could not end well. We had to cut 20% of the workforce to get a cost structure that fits. I wanted to know which 20% were at the bottom of performance. We sorted them out top-down, regardless of party color. That was the decisive culture change: only what you do and are capable of counts. The state is a poor entrepreneur; I am a firm believer in private enterprise. The state should focus on education, security, justice, and its role in Europe. We turned a subsidy operation into a profitable company, paying 25% corporate tax for 30 years. The state benefits from business success.
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Interviewer38:10
You said you reduced the workforce by 20% but kept 80%, and with them you transformed a state-owned company into an entrepreneur-led one. What changed in people's minds?
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Norbert Zimmermann38:29
I walked through the plant and asked workers at the machines. Often they said: 'The state pays my salary.' That mentality came from the Kreisky era, where the nationalized industry created a closed system of dependence. In Berndorf, the SPÖ provided jobs, housing, and school support. When we changed that, the cultural shift also affected politics: Erwin Pröll, a conservative, won the district where the SPÖ used to get 85% because people became free to vote based on merit, not party membership.
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Interviewer42:18
We have the term 'Verhaberung' (cronyism). You were active in the Industrial Association. How do you see this phenomenon? Is there a danger of too close cooperation between politics and business?
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Norbert Zimmermann43:11
I was president of IV Lower Austria for one term. I always spoke my mind, which was unusual. Cronyism exists in Austria: the same circles influence policy, but the danger today is more that the state overreaches. The state should stick to its core tasks and not try to manage business. Networking is natural, but it shouldn't replace merit.
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Interviewer46:24
Topic: employee participation. You mentioned capital and labor. What role did employee participation play in your cultural change?
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Norbert Zimmermann46:44
We introduced 24% employee participation via non-voting preferred shares. I don't want an employee parliament, but I want employees to build wealth and share in profits. This gave us a talent edge. After 15 years we reformed it to let employees cash out. The works council chairman is a shareholder, so he understands the business. During COVID, works councils helped enforce safety measures. Trade unions were skeptical but now see the benefits. This is the fairest way to achieve distributive justice.
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Interviewer57:39
Briefly on the EU and globalization. The framework conditions were favorable. How do you see the currents? How do you lead a company in a global market?
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Norbert Zimmermann58:17
Europe is a fascinating, unique construct. I was born in 1947 and saw its creation. For 30 years I've criticized its democratic deficit, but we must be convinced Europeans. Our company grew from 15 foreign employees to 3,500 across the world: USA, Latin America, Europe, China. It's a cultural mix. Regarding globalization limits, we are cautious in China – we only reinvest earnings there because of political risks. Distance brings unpredictability. We prefer predictable environments like Europe and the USA.
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Interviewer1:03:52
Mr. Zimmermann, thank you very much for the conversation. It was a great pleasure. I hope it was interesting for you too. We will now hand over to questions.