In this enriching episode of Beyond the Thesis With Papa PhD, David Mendes (he/him) welcomes Tony Stubblebine, CEO of @medium, to delve into the strategies behind building authority through finding and engaging with a target audience through writing. Discover how blogging can function as a compelling tool to share knowledge, establish authority, and communicate effectively across professional spheres.
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9:01Can you talk a little bit around that aspect of things?
13:12But how do you do the work of changing the way you express yourself to reach these people?
24:12How would you tell someone who's not doing it to inch towards starting to do it, little by little, until they fall into a habit?
Welcome to this new episode of Beyond The Thesis with Papa PhD. This week I have the great pleasure of having as my guest Tony Stubblebine, CEO of Medium, to talk about how academics and scientists in general can find their audience in an extremely noisy media ecosystem. Reaching out to non-academic audiences and sharing scientific knowledge outside the walls of the lab is more and more important for academics, and the exponential multiplication of communication channels has not helped reduce the noise, making the task that much harder. With Tony, I will try to explore what avenues and best practices the scientific community can rely on to best reach its different audiences. Tony Stubblebine, welcome to Beyond The Thesis with Papa PhD. It's a great pleasure to have you here today.
So Tony, one thing I can already tell the audience: you were first a large writer on Medium and now you're the CEO of Medium. It's quite a metamorphosis story, but that's not really what we're here to talk about. Where I want to go from here is: can you just tell the audience a little bit about yourself, about how you got to the position you are today, and then we can bridge into your interest in how we can get scientists and academics to better communicate, to find their audience, and something that's very important today: build their authority and have their hands on the reins of what happens with scientific communication, which today sometimes is a bit dodgy.
Yeah, for sure. I know there's a little bit of like Willy Wonka to my story, where like he needed someone to replace him running the Chocolate Factory and picked his most enthusiastic customer. But there's a lot more to it beyond that. I'm a programmer originally, came out of school with a computer science degree as startups were a big thing. I'm from California originally, and so I just got sucked into the tech community and the idea that there would be ways to reinvent the future or invent a better future. The first category of things I got pulled into was: how do we make people smarter? I had been working really early in my career as a programmer for a publishing company, O'Reilly Media, which published technical books. But the secret for that company was they didn't go find writers — they went and found professionals and taught those professionals how to be writers, which is I think what we're going to be talking about today. It's easier to teach someone who knows what they're talking about how to communicate than to teach someone who's just a great communicator how to know what they're talking about, especially when you get into really deep technical subjects, which every academic ends up in that space. We were doing this for programmers — we would take a professional programmer who was on the cutting edge of some technology and help them write a book, and that was the business. And this is quaint now — who learns from books anymore? We all learn from the internet. But I was doing that right as that switch was happening, and we saw the potential for what we would call at the time user-generated content, but now blogging is literally one of the first forms of that — what happens if you give everyone a voice? Originally this was really exciting to us because we thought the world's going to get a lot smarter. You see places where that's true — Wikipedia is an upgrade on encyclopedias, and that's all community-driven. But I think now, 15-20 years later, it feels like there's a lot of places where maybe the world didn't get better by giving everyone a voice — it got louder, more divisive, there's more misinformation. So I'm straying from my career arc, but I was a programmer, then a manager, then I started a business, then I started another business, and along the way I just always was writing and happened to be close to Medium when it launched 12 years ago, and just got closer and closer over maybe a 10-year period to the point where I was the top user. I had a publishing group here that was representing maybe close to 2% of the traffic, which for a platform is actually a lot for one user to be representing. So when Medium was looking for another CEO, I threw my hat in the ring and made the case that this lesson I'd learned early in my career — we could do a better job of helping with this core problem of finding readers. The rest of the internet gives readers based on attention-seeking, like people that are really good at grabbing your attention. I thought we could build a place that gave distribution, gave readers to people who know what they're talking about. My two years here have really been based on making a modern take on blogging that could do that.
Yeah, that's really interesting because it's true that the attention side of the spectrum — the attention-seeking side — really pressures for short formats, video, things that move, text that jumps, whatever. And it's a way of communicating that's really not easily amenable to teaching complex science. But the general audience usually are not going to be able to read a scientific paper just out of the journal. And it feels to me like what you're describing is kind of a middle ground — where can we get deeper into a subject, be it technical or scientific, closer to the public but not falling onto that end of the spectrum of needing to do TikTok videos, etc. And blogging, like you're saying, feels to me like this nice Goldilocks place.
Exactly. Goldilocks — I use that phrase a lot actually at work. It is tricky to find the just right version of these things. Yeah, absolutely. When I talk to academics, there's often this frustration about how much you've written that didn't get read — especially when you're a student, a lot of what you write just gets read by your TA. And then this other frustration about how oversimplified the mainstream media covers every topic that you happen to know about. So blogging is this great middle ground where there's enough room for you to go in depth, but it really calls for you to explain it in plain language. It's a chance to do both — to show that you can teach and explain, but also get into the subtleties that are important. That's how most academics that I see on Medium approach it. The writing ends up really showing the depth and breadth of their understanding. When you write a paper, that can often be very deep and narrow, but when I read an academic on Medium, I'm realizing how many other papers they've read on that topic along the way. So it's this perfect format for mainstream communication. And then the thing that makes it worthwhile is we're going to bring you readers that really want to hear from you.
Now, the title today of this conversation is 'Build Authority by Finding an Audience.' We were talking just before we started recording, and you were observing how deep the knowledge of these specialists are — people who have studied this long, who have done research, who have published all these papers. You would think someone who studied all these years, has read all these papers, has written all these things, has written book chapters, etc., that automatically authority would come with that. And I think you are going to tell us that it's not exactly that way. Can you go a little bit into that? What's the difference between just having a big treasure of knowledge and having authority? I think they're contiguous, but there's some work that needs to be done in the middle. Can you talk a little bit around that aspect of things?
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Stubblebine, T. (2024, December 7). Build Authority by Finding an Audience With Tony Stubblebine [Interview transcript]. Papa PhD. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/1046554/
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Tony Stubblebine. "Build Authority by Finding an Audience With Tony Stubblebine." Papa PhD, 7 Dec. 2024. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/1046554/.
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year = {2024},
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note = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
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