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Mark Rutte
Secretary General of NATO, NATO

Trump, NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte speak to reporters in Oval Office

📅 Jun 24, 2026 Face the Nation 16 MIN 11507 VIEWS 28 SEGMENTS · 5 SPEAKERS
President Trump hosted NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte at the White House on Wednesday. The pair discussed defense spending and more. #news #politics #trump CBS News 24/7 is the premier anchored streaming news service from CBS News and Stations that is available free to everyone with access to the internet and is the destination for breaking news, live events, original reporting and storytelling, and programs from CBS News and Stations' top anchors and correspondents working locally, nationally and around the globe. It is available on more than 30 platforms across mobile, desktop and conne...

What Mark Rutte said

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NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, speaking alongside President Trump in the Oval Office, argued that European defense investments create substantial US jobs and that the alliance is strengthening despite some disappointments. He cited 95,000 jobs supported by European investments, 83,000 from European companies, and 12,000 from defense spending, with $54 billion spent last year and a $300 billion order backlog. Rutte stressed the need to increase defense industrial output, noting stockpiles must be replenished due to the war in Ukraine, and said the Ankara summit's first day will focus on production. He pushed back on Trump's criticism, calling it a 'mixed bag,' citing Germany's doubling of defense spending to over $50 billion by 2029, and praised countries like Poland, the Baltics, and Denmark. Rutte also highlighted Turkey's defense industrial base of 3,000 companies and urged Trump to attend the summit.

Key takeaways

  1. European defense investments support almost 200,000 US jobs, including 95,000 from investments and 12,000 from defense spending.
  2. Europeans spent $54 billion on US defense industrial output last year, with a $300 billion order backlog.
  3. Germany will double defense spending between 2021 and 2029, exceeding $50 billion, more than France and Britain combined.
  4. The Ankara summit's first day will focus entirely on defense industrial production.
  5. Turkey has a huge defense industrial base with 3,000 companies operating in the US and elsewhere.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
95,000 US jobs supported by European investments metric 0:00
83,000 US jobs supported by European company investments metric 0:00
12,000 US jobs from European defense spending metric 0:00
$54 billion European spending on US defense output last year metric 0:00
$300 billion European defense order backlog in the US metric 0:00
almost 200,000 Total US jobs supported by European investments metric 0:00
over $50 billion Germany's defense spending by 2029 guidance 6:41
3,000 Turkish defense industrial companies metric 13:15

Chapters

  1. 0:00European defense investments and US jobs
  2. 5:38Response to Trump's criticism of allies
  3. 6:41Germany's defense spending increase
  4. 13:15Turkey's defense industrial base

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 12:41Are you going to Turkey with a big gift bag?
  2. 13:32What are your expectations, sir, about this meeting in Ankara? What do you think?
Mark Rutte 0:00 ↗
Total, how many of the 95,000 jobs being supported by investments? Investments from European companies into the United States, 83,000 jobs supported by that. Half of 12,000 jobs created by the fact that Europeans are massively spending, about half of all their defense spending when it comes to defense industry output, in the United States. A half of 12,000 jobs. Last year they spent 54 billion dollars on US defense industrial output. There is now an order catalog, or the backlog, of 300 billion. So, 300 billion dollars of defense spending from Europeans buying this in the US over the next couple of years, which is already on the order book. Last year 54 billion, a total now order book of 300 billion. Totalling almost 200,000. These are real jobs, real people like you. Like yesterday when you spoke in Pennsylvania, the people behind you. What I'm going to say, two things more if you allow. First of all, to get all of this done, we have to increase the defense industrial output. There is a big problem. The problem is that both the United States and in Europe we are not producing enough. Our stockpiles have to be replenished because of the war in Ukraine, what we do there, and for all the other reasons. You have taken leadership here. Last week you signed the defense procurement act. You made it possible for companies to work together to be able therefore to ramp up the defense production. You have been very harsh with them a couple of weeks ago and had one of them over in my office. Yeah, it was really tough. I had one of them over in my office. He was still trembling. But the CEO said, and the statistics are good. This is exactly what we need. Because we need this extra defense output. This is important for Europe, but I pointed all these jobs, of course, also many jobs being created in Europe and in Canada, but again, almost 200,000 here in the United States supported by all these investments. But it is about the defense industrial output, and this is also what the Ankara summit has to be about. The whole first day will be about defense industrial production because we can spend as much as we want, but we need the interceptors, the missiles, we need the tanks, we need the artificial intelligence, etc., etc. And this is what you are doing, doing that in the US, but also therefore putting all that pressure on the defense industrial base. And finally, you had the G7 last week. I think it was a big success. What you've seen there is that yes, you were president of the United States, but I want to make this point. For me, you are first of all the leader of the free world. In 2 weeks in Ankara, you will have not seven countries, you will have 42 countries, the 32 allies, US and all the 31, but also nine or 10 other countries from the Middle East, from the Indo-Pacific. And they want to hear your lead. You will provide it, I know this. This is what you do on Iran, this is what you do on defense industrial output, on spending, and all of this. You'll be the leader of the free world. And now we see it with Ukraine, the fact that Ukraine stays strong in the fight, that you still provide all the stuff they need, paid for by European and Canadian allies, fair enough, but very important for them to stay in the fight and all the other things the United States is doing. So, I'm really looking forward to that summit. I know that Erdogan, the president of Turkey, he looks forward to receiving his good friend Donald J. Trump. But I just wanted to tell this story because, ladies and gentlemen of the American media, this is important. This is your president, but also leader of the free world, taking the leadership role as is necessary.
Donald Trump 4:07 ↗
Well, let me just say, he's been a friend of mine. He's a great guy, great leader, great Secretary General. Everybody respects him. And I appreciate your nice words, but you really have done a good job. And, I think if anybody else were in that position, we wouldn't even be meeting today, to be honest with you. Because we were let down. We didn't need help on this at all. We demolished them in literally the first week. But, it would have been nice if they would have said, 'We'd like to help.' We didn't even need it, but it would have been nice if they said that. They didn't say it, but as Secretary General, and he's the boss of the whole operation, he was, I believe if I would have called him, and I didn't bother doing that. I said I was doing individual country visits, take the temperature and see how they were doing. But, I think if I would have called him, he probably would have found a way to help if we needed it. I feel, you know, it would have been a little bit different. But, I was disappointed. I was disappointed with Italy. I was disappointed with the UK. He's now gone. And, you know, he had a lot of problems, but we were disappointed with the UK. We were disappointed with Germany and France. We're disappointed with most of them. Spain is a horror show. Spain is terrible, even from your standpoint. I mean, they don't want to pay anything. They think they're in for a free ride. Spain is not a good group. Not a good group at all. But, I have great respect for this man. And so, we're going to be discussing what took place, and we'll see what happens. Thank you. Good question.
Mark Rutte 5:38 ↗
To answer the second question, because I don't have many disagreements with the President on this. Here, I have to say because I do agree there's reason for disappointment, absolutely. But my argument is this, these are isolated cases. When you look at the overall picture, take for example Germany. From day one, they delivered on their bilateral commitments. These are bilateral commitments these countries are having with the United States, so this is not strictly speaking NATO. Bilateral commitments, they all did what they promised to do. And this leads to between four and five thousand US tanks taking off from Europe. I would argue it would have been very difficult to do Iran without having Europe as a power projection platform for the United States. Delivered. Again, he's right, there is also reason for disappointment. It is a mixed bag.
Donald Trump 6:31 ↗
Well, the big question is are they paying the 5% they agreed six months ago when we were together to pay 5%. And for the most part they're not paying it.
Mark Rutte 6:41 ↗
Well, when you look at the numbers, take for example Germany, so we agreed they get a couple of years together because you cannot spend it in one year because you have an absorption problem. But Germany for example, Germany has doubled, is doubling its defense spending between 2021 and 2029. They will spend over half of 50 billion by 2029, which is staggering, more than the French and the Brits combined even. Take the Dutch, and Poland and the Baltics already there. Countries like Denmark really stepping up, so and the Nordics, so it's a bit of a mixed bag, but most of them are doing it and the alliance is so much stronger because of this man.
Moderator 7:19 ↗
Are the Saudis in compliance? Please, yellow dress.
Reporter 7:22 ↗
Thank you. Bethan from GB News. You mentioned the outgoing, but one for the new guy coming in. What do you know about him, Mr. President? And what does he need to do to improve the relationship with the US?
Donald Trump 7:38 ↗
I don't know anything. I see that he was the mayor of a town. I hear he's extremely liberal. Extremely. So that means he probably won't open up the North Sea. You know, I gave Keir Starmer some pretty good advice. I said, 'Open up the North Sea.' Go to Aberdeen, which was the hottest city on the whole continent. It was the oil city. It was the oil of Europe. And they closed everything. It was terrible. I saw it before my eyes and I couldn't believe it. The North Sea is loaded. I have had every oil company come to see me. 'Sir, could you give us access to the UK? We would do anything to drill in the North Sea.' And they haven't even found oil there. The amazing thing is they buy their oil from Norway, which gets the oil from the North Sea. Think of it. And they pay a big premium. Norway's got now $2 trillion in the bank. And the UK is dying. So they should open up the North Sea, and it's an easy one. And a lot of good things are going to happen. It's among the greatest fields in the world.
Reporter 8:48 ↗
Beautiful. President Trump, great night for Democratic Socialists candidates last night. In the New York primaries, they swept and knocked out two incumbents. You're from New York. Why do you think it is that now the endorsement of Zohran Mamdani means more than the endorsement of Hakeem Jeffries?
Donald Trump 9:07 ↗
Well, they're going radical left. They're going really, you talk about the Democrat Socialists. You talk really, it's really communist. These people, I watched that woman last night. That's not a socialist. I know socialists. That woman is a communist. And you know what they don't say is that I was 16 and 0 last night. But mine were a little more boring, a little more mainstream. They were Republican conservatives. But we were 16 and 0. And if you look over the last two and a half years, we're about 347 and just about 0. That's pretty good, but nobody writes that. But he picked three. They won. They beat a guy named Dan Goldman, who's, you know, loser. He was one of my prosecutors, one of my many prosecutors that they used on me. Dan Goldman, not a good prosecutor, fortunately. But he's now looking for a job. I was very surprised to see, you know, because he's a pretty liberal guy. When they go more liberal than Dan Goldman, they're really into Neverland.
Reporter 10:13 ↗
Does this tell you that the Democratic Party's 2028 nominee will likely be or could likely be a Democratic Socialist?
Donald Trump 10:22 ↗
Well, it should make it easier for Republicans. Because most of the nation is composed of sane people. They don't want to... You know, if you look throughout history, go back thousands of years, you've always had socialism and communism by different names. It's never ever worked. It's not going to work this time. Maybe. Stand up. God bless the state.
Reporter 10:47 ↗
Thank you very much, sir. As a Turk myself...

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