Wael Sawan, CEO of Shell discusses the companies expansion on LNG sales. He is joined by Bloomberg's Alix Steel and Romaine Bostick.
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0:0220 to 30% larger by 2030. How do you get there?
1:37Are you worried at all about a potential looming LNG supply glut and kind of betting really big on this for the next 10 years at a time where there's just too much supply coming online?
2:28So, what should investors look for in terms of the capacity increase on your LNG output?
3:23So once you get to 2030, what actually happens to the oil side of this business?
5:01And would that evolution be buying a US gas producer doing some sort of substantial oil deal?
7:26Has there been any sort of meaningful discussion, thought, consideration about making the US your primary place of listing?
8:33At what point does BP become so cheap, you just cannot avoid looking at them for those synergies?
10:23But is BP like on the road to the moves or is BP like on the highway somewhere that you're not passing?
10:41Have you actually had a chance to meet with anyone from the administration, including the president?
12:14And how are you seeing the global flows here?
Bloomberg Audio Studios podcasts, radio, news. Shell shares here in the US are up by about 1% after the company's capital markets day on the New York Stock Exchange. One highlight, plans to become the world's top LNG trader, saying it's going to expand sales by four to 5% a year until 2030. The British energy giant also vowing to increase shareholder returns and cut spending. Joining us to discuss this further is Wael Sawan, Shell CEO, joining us from the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. While really great to see you, thank you so much for joining us. Congrats on getting through the day. Huge LNG targets in particular of how much it's going to make up in terms of your business. 20 to 30% larger by 2030. How do you get there?
Yeah, thanks Alex. Look, we're very proud of where we are today. Today in the capital markets day, we took a pause and reflected on the journey we've been on over the past couple years. And the key message was one of trying to instill confidence. Here's a company that has delivered what it said it was going to do and actually overdelivered in certain areas. And beyond that, as you rightly pointed out, we've also today laid out a vision, a vision out to 2035 that has LNG at the heart of it. We believe LNG is going to be a critical part of the energy system and we want to be the leading player in LNG. But our story also has lots of richness around wanting to sustain material liquids production and being the most competitive and the most focused energy marketer and energy trader in the world. And so a holistic story that I think we're very proud to be able to say is well on track.
Are you worried at all about a potential looming LNG supply glut and kind of betting really big on this for the next 10 years at a time where there's just too much supply coming online?
Look, in my job I have to look at 20 years and what I see when I do that is up to 2040 we see a potential 60% increase in overall LNG demand. We have a diversified portfolio both of production sources as well as demand options and we are very much looking to leverage that global diversity of production and customer contracts to be able to create value. Importantly, our LNG portfolio is heavily linked to long-term contracts that are tied to Brent, which means we have a lot of resilience and so we can ride out the inevitable cycles in this business while making sure that the underlying cash flow continues to come from this business.
Very much what we outlined today, which is four to 5% per year. So indeed the 20 to 30% by 2030 and that's just to 2030. We see more running room beyond that. We have projects that we can evolve over and above that. But what's unique around our LNG business is not just the production piece. We are actually also selling roughly the equivalent amount not just of what we produce but also another equivalent amount to that because we're also one of the largest optimizers of LNG in the market. And so in any year we're selling around 60 million tons of LNG, which is significant. And so we are trying to continue to build up our portfolio to really have that diversity and to be able to make sure that we can continue to essentially stay in the 15 to 20% of the overall LNG market, which is what we represent.
So we have a very clear pathway to sustain our liquids production to the tune of around 1.4 million barrels per day between now and 2030 and we have plans to extend that plateau well into the future. So we already have plans in place for that. And so the key areas where we see growth at the moment are our integrated gas business as we've talked about LNG, but also I would say our marketing business, our mobility business which is the leading franchise in the world, our lubricants business which is another core part of our overall value proposition. So those will be growth trajectories and our sustained liquid production will allow us to have the fundamental underpinning that continues to keep us as a scale company overall.
So what we have is a very diverse portfolio. We have the largest position in the Gulf of America. We have the largest position in Brazil, which are the two premier deep water basins in the world right. It requires a lot of running just to stay flat, so these portfolios are declining anywhere between four to 6% per year, so one has to stay running fast just to stay flat. Beyond that, we will look at opportunities and we will continue to look at those opportunities, but of course we've left the Permian and we believe that the opportunities we have in front of us in the Gulf of America, in Brazil, in many of our heartlands like Kazakhstan, Oman, Malaysia, those are the places where we want to continue to strengthen our portfolio.
The analyst notes about today were all relatively positive. RBC said a really nice quote: 'Today reads as more evolution than revolution.' And I'm wondering if the revolution part is what investors need to see to have Shell shares start to outperform the likes of Exxon as well as Chevron. And would that evolution be buying a US gas producer doing some sort of substantial oil deal?
I think there's a couple of dimensions to that question. I'm very pleased with the evolutionary nature of it and it's important that one footnote in all that discussion is that we have bought back around 20 plus percent of our share register over the last three years. And a big part of what we announced today is we will continue to preferentially lean towards buybacks, having indeed increased the overall distributions to 40 to 50% of our CFO. On this trajectory that we're on, we will have quietly bought another 40% of the company by 2030. To me, the revolution is not in singular actions. It's in looking at the life cycle over a period of seven, eight years. If we can buy more than half of this company, that is what is truly going to be differentiated and transformational for our shareholders.
While I do want to ask you though about just the general structure. I mean a lot of investors in terms of the cash giving back. There has been a lot of discussion in analyst circles about this idea of why we haven't seen more balance between the dividend versus the buybacks relative to some of your competitors.
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