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Jim Pettigrew
Chairman of the Board, AIB Group

AIB Special Meeting - January 10, 2025

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AIB Special Meeting - January 10, 2025.
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Jim Pettigrew0:01
Good afternoon and welcome to today's AIB special legislative session to talk about legislative matters and others. Let me first of all wish everyone a Happy New Year. I'm delighted to see everybody's back and I hope you had a very delightful New Year and holiday session. Let me thank and acknowledge the hard work of our staff and Rachel over the last couple of weeks; it's been a lot of moving parts, lots of meetings, challenges and difficulties trying to get everything ready as we go into this legislative session. They worked extremely hard throughout the entire holiday season, so hats off to you Rachel and for all the work that you and the staff performed over the period of time. Let me also thank our individual board members for making themselves available to answer questions depending upon the subject matters, and hopefully we'll be able to get to today's session fairly quickly. Let me ask for adoption of the last meeting summary. Is there a motion to approve the meetings from our last meeting? So moved. Okay, there is a second to the motion. I assume everyone has had an opportunity to look at it. If there are any revisions or changes or alterations, please indicate at this time. I'll call the question. All in favor of the adoption please indicate by saying 'I'. Any opposition? Hearing none, the last meeting summary is so approved. Let me go through a couple of points because I want to again pick up from where I left off. As you know, next week the governor, I think on the 20th, will introduce his legislative agenda for the year. The session has now started. We received a number of questions and emails referencing potential changes and legislative matters that we may or may not adopt. We have not taken a firm position as of yet. We continue to gather information to try to make sure that we implement the blueprint with finality, knowing that we may have to make some adjustments depending upon evidence-based matters before us, but it is a matter that will continue especially over the next 90 days and possibly beyond. Our task, our mission, is to implement the blueprint with finality.
I want to take us through a couple of potential dates for meetings that we will have in the foreseeable future. One of which, Madam Executive Director, is scheduled for the 28th, and that meeting will be a joint meeting with the AIB and the Maryland State Board of Education. Is that correct? Correct. Okay, that is a meeting for which we are looking in terms of the potential for taking joint action on matters that we think may be of interest or changes or adjustments or policy matters that may or may not come before us, but we will have an opportunity over the next couple of weeks to review that. But again, we're waiting to see what changes or suggestions are being made potentially by the executive branch. And our next individual board meeting is scheduled for January 30th, the next regular meeting. As you may recall, one of the matters that we had some questions about was the issue associated with collaborative time. It is an important matter because part of that involves the hiring of additional teachers in order for us to ensure that we meet the long-term goals of the blueprint comprehensive plan. We had a discussion last week, a couple weeks ago, in reference to the teacher shortage, and based on the numbers that we discussed, it appears that there will be some challenges moving forth in order to meet those numbers. As I recall, there are a number of questions associated with what we are currently doing, what are some of the anticipated challenges and plans for the foreseeable future, as well as the impact of not having all of those numbers before us in what I consider a foreseeable future. We talked a great deal about growing our own, we talked a great deal about the pipeline, we talked a great deal about the number of teachers that we actually hire from outside of the state. But the bottom line appears that regardless of the efforts, it will be at least some time, maybe a debated amount of time, for us to fill that gap. And with that, it brings to question something that has been percolating around for some time: what is our response, what is our take as it relates to the teacher shortage, the impact, and where do we see we go from here dependent upon any potential adjustments. We've had a chance to discuss this, and before we move to a motion, I'm going to ask the executive director if she has any points that she wants to make, and then we'll turn it over to the body for discussion about that and maybe entertain a motion. Madame Executive Director.
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Executive Director6:14
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Perhaps it would be helpful just for the benefit of everyone who might be watching or listening to talk for a minute about what we mean when we talk about collaborative time. Under the Blueprint for Maryland's Future, the law calls for teachers to have less time teaching in front of the classroom so that they can have a little more time during their working time to collaborate in professional learning communities, working with their colleagues to analyze student outcomes and work collectively on lesson plans to meet within grade and within subject matter across grades, to collaborate on lessons and evaluating how students are doing, and then developing and identifying needed interventions for students and actually working with them one-on-one and in small groups to help them master the content and stay on track for college and career readiness, which is of course what we call the North Star of the blueprint – that we want all of our students to be college and career ready before they leave high school and by the end of 10th grade for as many as possible, so that they have those really robust opportunities while in high school for post-CCR pathways. The blueprint calls for phasing in this additional time over an eight-year period beginning in the next school year. In the blueprint's model, the way to bring this additional time and make it possible is you need more teachers in each school. In order to implement the collaborative time that the blueprint calls for, the estimate was that an additional 25% of teachers would be needed across the state to make this additional time possible for all teachers. That equates to between 12,000 and 15,000 additional teachers. As the chair talked about just now at our briefing last month, the State Department of Education shared data that shows that we have currently in our existing workforce over 6,000 teachers who are what's called conditionally certified or not fully certified in our classrooms, and another over 2,000 essentially vacant positions that are being filled by either other staff covering for those classes or by long-term substitutes or other types of staff. So the current condition in our schools is that we don't have enough certified teachers for our existing needs, and that really raises the question of the ability for the local school systems to be able to begin implementing this piece of the blueprint starting in the next school year. Happy to answer any other questions or carry on.
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Jim Pettigrew10:30
But what are the changes that have been made thus far to help fill that gap, and what are we looking at going forward?
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Executive Director10:43
So there have been – prior when the commission was meeting, there was a shortage in teachers at that time, so it's not a new thing that we have conditionally certified teachers in the state, that's been an ongoing challenge. But since the pandemic, the percentage has significantly increased from a thousand or less teachers to over 6,000. And typically many of our districts maybe only had a handful of conditionally certified teachers, who now have hundreds. So the challenge since the pandemic has really been how to help teachers who are in our classrooms and are conditionally certified to earn that full certification. This is oftentimes referred to as grow your own, to look to those folks who are already in our schools and want to be in the classroom and help them become fully certified. So there was legislation a couple of years ago to support grow your own programs more both in postsecondary and also in our high schools to get students more interested in teaching. And then last year, legislation passed around creating pathways for conditionally certified teachers to become certified in more innovative ways. So there have been some actions taken to address this demand. However, the number of conditionally certified teachers is still growing, so hopefully we're almost at the top of the curve and some of these efforts are going to start to yield more results. But at this point, I think we also need to think about what other innovative strategies there are for higher education and in the school systems. I'm sure there are lots of ideas about what we could do to support bringing more teachers into our classrooms.
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Jim Pettigrew13:23
I see member Lynch has her hand up.
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Lynch13:25
Okay, yeah, I really appreciate this and I think we do have a national and certainly a statewide teacher shortage and we have to address that first. And so I think anything that we can do to be putting those efforts into the right spaces. I have a couple questions. My first one is: will there be then some sort of a redirection – if this would be considered, is there some sort of redirection of funds that would allow for the real focus on attracting, retaining, training teachers? And then my second question is for school districts, because we know that our school districts across Maryland are so unique and some are certainly ready to start to explore collaborative time, some are not. Will there be opportunities for some districts to move forward if they are ready to do so?
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Jim Pettigrew14:23
Let me back up on first question. I think the point you made earlier in terms of retention I think is the first order. We need to retain as many of them as possible that we already have, because there's a significant number that we're losing every year. We can't grow many more in terms of the net if we're losing some out the back door at the same time, so that's the first effort. I believe going forward there needs to be a high recruitment plan in place. There needs to be some additional incentives to attract more both within and outside of the state, and there may be other ideas or approaches that will help us along the way to ensure that we get there. Commissioner Robinson also indicated that our efforts to better enhance the profession, not only with pay but professional status, also is a crucial factor, because if our young people do not look at the profession as a profession which they want to join, then it will be a very difficult process down the line. You can't productively sell a program or profession if people do not view it in the light that we otherwise should have it. There are some other ideas and suggestions out there we need to follow. My view is that everything is on the table for analysis and support in order to get there. Thirdly, resources associated with this in my opinion should not be completely cut off; there needs to be some of that redirected to do a couple of things – one of which is to enhance the improvement and retention effort, but more importantly to look at some other innovative ways to figure out how we can enhance the amount of teachers that will be needed, because it may be a long, long time before you can reach that number that was stated initially in the blueprint commission. You may find some other ways to close that gap, but that needs to be part of some strategies, some pilots, and other things that may help us to reimagine some of the ways to fill that gap. Want to add anything else to that, Mr. Coin?
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Coin16:49
No, I think that was well said.
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Jim Pettigrew16:54
Vice Chair Kerwin does have his hand up, but Member Robinson had his hand up first.
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Robinson17:06
Yes, oh Mr. Chair, you kind of stole my thunder, I was going to beat that drum a little bit more. I do understand the teacher shortage, I understand it's uneven across the state, but it is real and it is national. And so I don't want the AIB to unnecessarily burden the districts with trying to staff those new positions even though I think they're important for teachers to be able to collaborate and meet our students where they are. But I did want to uplift those comments from last meeting as well, just to say that it's fine for us to consider adjusting the timeline of implementation on this particular initiative, but we have to make sure that when the deadline does come that we're not in the same position. And I think it's pretty naive of us to pretend like the teaching profession doesn't have an image issue, an image issue that's been created by policies at the state and local level, and it makes people not want to be teachers, it makes students not want to be teachers. And I'm hopeful that when we say things like 'everything's on the table, we want to think about all different ways that we can address the teacher shortage,' that we are not just reiterating ideas that we have, but we are being honest with the reality of what's going on in schools and why people – students – might not want to spend another 30 years in them after they've already spent 13. So I'd like to engage more in this topic with some ideas that make schools more welcoming places, more joyous places. I think that we need to get more conversation with both teachers and administrators frankly to see what is it that we can do to make the jobs of teachers things that bring them happiness, so that the kids will see the happiness and that they'll actually want to consider their career. But if we're just going to dredge up the same ideas that we've had, I don't think we're going to be in any different kind of position in three, four, or five years. It might take to implement collaborative time. Thank you.
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Jim Pettigrew19:33
Anyone else? Madam Executive Director?
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Executive Director19:37
Yeah, Vice Chair Kerwin, and then also Member Moo and Member Stapleton.
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Kerwin19:50
Sure. I want to express appreciation for Commissioner Robinson's comments; I think they are right on point. And I think if we are going to push back the implementation of this initiative, which makes good sense given the circumstances, we do need to make some investments in both trying to understand how we can make the profession more attractive along the lines that Commissioner Robinson mentioned. I think there is another point I want to make: it seems to me that there are two avenues for filling this gap. Basically, there is the grow your own, but those people are already in the classroom by and large, getting more certified teachers into the classroom. As far as I know, there are two sources: those coming out of our higher education institutions in teacher preparation programs, and teachers we recruit from other states. So it seems to me that we need a real marketing campaign to try to – there are many positive things despite the issues Commissioner Robinson mentioned. There are some very attractive things in Maryland in comparison to other states: the compensation issues, the career ladders, the promise of collaborative time, etc. So we need a real marketing campaign, it would seem to me. But the other thing that I hope we can think about, working with higher education institutions and MHEC, is how we put more emphasis on building our teacher preparation program. To me, there is an analogy: I remember in the 1990s I was president of College Park, and as we approached Y2K, there was enormous concern about not having enough computer science folks in the workplace, and there were initiatives to grow the size of computer science programs, and they were very successful. In fact, after Y2K we had an abundance of computer science folks. So one of the things that I hope we will take some time to think about is creating some conversations and partnerships with the higher education sector about the crisis we face in our state and the importance of building and strengthening our teacher preparation programs. As Member Robinson said, we can't just pause this and hope the problems are going to take care of themselves; we've got to be proactive in addressing this shortfall. Thank you.
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Jim Pettigrew23:19
Who else? Madam Executive Director, Member Moo?
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Executive Director23:24
Member Moo, yes.
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Moo23:27
Yes, so I guess just to further this conversation, piggyback off of what Dr. Kerwin said and Member Robinson, I think looking at this as not just a recruitment challenge but it's also a retention challenge, because I think that's the other element that we haven't spent enough time talking about. And I think Member Robinson's portion of this is talking about not just making the profession attractive for people coming in, but also what are we doing to make this a sustainable profession for those who we currently have. What are we doing in order to make schools a place where teachers don't feel beaten down every day, where they feel valued, they feel empowered? And what are we able to do to create positive work environments that not only attract people into the profession but also make the current people that are teaching feel valued and want to stay? I know we've talked on previous occasions about really studying this more robustly through potentially a supply-demand study, doing some kind of deep dive into the numbers both the numbers that MSDE presented last week but also how these project out in the future, how these trends compare to other states. I think Maryland is unique because we import many teachers; how have those trends been changing over time? And as Member Kerwin was saying, what are we doing to talk to those current educators or people who are looking to become educators in states outside of Maryland and talk about all that we have to offer in terms of our career ladders and higher starting salaries and positive working conditions and all the other elements that are really positive about the blueprint that can serve as a magnet for people that want to be in the education space. And also doing some qualitative focus groups and talking to current teachers or perspective teachers on what is keeping them in the profession, what would make them choose to stay additional two years or three years or five years in a Maryland school, or for those not yet in the profession, what would get them to eventually land and stay in a Maryland school. So I think there's just a lot more learning and research that can be done. I don't know how we go about initiating the study if we have partners that have knowledge or expertise or interest that would be willing to partner with us on this, but I think we need a lot more information in order to better strategize about how we can maintain better retention of our teachers and elevate the recruitment of new teachers.
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Stapleton27:20
I think it's my turn. So I want to go in a slightly different direction. Member Lynch had asked a couple of questions when she started and I don't think we've touched on one of those questions, which was: the districts are very different and unique, and there may be some districts that are in a position to go forward with some collaborative time or potentially some schools within some districts. Is it possible that we could either devote some technical assistance funds or carve out some of the funding to support this sort of activity and use it as a pilot so that they can inform other districts about how well it went, what to do, what not to do?
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Executive Director28:30
No, I was just going to say I think that goes very well with making additional investments using funds that will not be able to go towards collaborative time in the short term to support those LEAs that are prepared and able to move ahead, either district-wide or by schools, and also building on that to model different approaches to providing collaborative time in terms of school scheduling and thinking about roles and use of time. There may be very innovative ways to do this that don't involve bringing as many additional teachers on board.
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Kerwin29:42
Yeah, just one more comment. First of all, I really appreciate Member Stapleton's point and I think we certainly should advocate that that be done. In those districts where it is possible, and in fact I know there are some districts that are finding ways to build collaborative time. There was a marvelous example in Frederick County where beginning science teachers were working with more experienced teachers and practicing the delivery of instruction in front of them before they went into class. That's sort of an example of how collaborative time is supposed to work. So there undoubtedly examples out there that are working. But I want to come back to Member Moo's comment. I think it would be beneficial – what we need is, I don't know what to call it, a business plan so to speak, a model of what is it going to take to get us how many new teachers do we need, and what is a scenario, an example of how we with a timeline, what is it going to take to build up to the capacity that we're looking for. And I think it would be good if the board charged you, Madam Executive Director, to find a way to do the kind of analysis and model building that would show what it's going to take to get us to where we need to be with new teachers.
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Jim Pettigrew32:18
I think that's anticipated in what we're trying to do, that we will look at different models, different concepts, try some pilots. But I don't think it's too soon for us to in advance say what that will be. We need to try out a combination of efforts and then see which ones could provide us with that example and then move from that. That's part of what the executive director and MSDE will be looking at – what kind of models of projects we can set up that can demonstrate for us as we go forward what the next iteration may be. So my thought is we need to know how many more teachers it is going to take and what are the sources of those new teachers that are reasonable to be produced by teacher preparation programs or by recruitment. I feel the lack of knowledge about where we have to get to and what's a reasonable timeline to get to that level of teachers would be conceptually very helpful to us at some point. I think you're right about that, but part of the analysis and the pilots would be do you need the original number to begin with? In other words, if you come up with a plan that says that's a good point, absolutely less than the number. Right, how many you're going to plan to try to get right. For example, if you said we're going to provide extra incentives for teachers to extend through their contract if they're willing to do so, more time at school in the classroom and so forth rather than to hire as many new teachers, you may end up with some teachers extending, which would mean your overall number would be less. I totally agree. I think that is important. We need to know what are the different strategies for getting there to decide on the right one. There may be some alternative approaches that don't require as many teachers as we thought, by using extended time. But once we have a sense of that, then creating and determining the number and the pathways to get there will be very important for us. I agree.
Any other questions from board members reference to this matter before we entertain the motion? Let me also say that there are some other things in addition to collaborative time that some have asked about. We will at some point get to some of those things maybe not all of them. We're going to try to prioritize those in terms of what we believe are most urgent, most important. Many of them popped around in terms of early childhood development, career ladder, and other things. We are in the process as indicated earlier with further discussion with some of the other organizations to make sure we fully understand to look at some of the proposals that may or may not emanate from the general assembly and working with the state board and others that at a future date we may come back with potentially different recommendations or positions we think we need to take on legislative matters. But we're not at that point in time to fully provide any type of recommendation or direction on those, but some of those we anticipate will evolve over the next few weeks or next month or so as we move into the legislative session. Our process is to make certain that we are especially in contact with the individual members who are responsible for certain areas of consideration within the blueprint so that we can respond as quickly as we can and hopefully have an opportunity for a public open meeting for all of us to consider some direction. But we're certainly not at that point. So the fact that you don't see those items does not mean that they're not being worked on by staff and others to get as much information so that once we are in a position to make a recommendation, we are as informed as possible. So with that, I'm going to – Member Moo and also I thought I saw Member Robinson. All right, please, Member Moo has a question.
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Moo37:08
I think actually this question was brought up by Member Lynch at the very beginning, but I don't know if we got more context around this. Can we talk a little bit about or help me understand how adjustments in the timeline, what the fiscal impact of the adjustments to the timeline are, and how if in any way this impacts the foundation amount?
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Executive Director37:52
So the blueprint has dedicated funding to support collaborative time that is part of the foundation formula. There's a specific amount of per pupil funding allocated dedicated to collaborative time implementation beginning in fiscal year 26, beginning in the next fiscal year, and then over the next eight years it phases up to the full amount. In the coming year it's $163 per pupil, and then at full implementation it would be $1,527. The way the formulas work, you take the estimated cost and then bring it down to a per pupil estimate in order to distribute the funds through the formula based on enrollment. It is a part of the foundation program, it's like a carve out of the per pupil foundation amount. In the first year it's that $163 per pupil that is currently in the foundation formula for collaborative time. There are other amounts that are a percentage of the overall foundation amount. The way our funding formulas work, there's the foundation amount and then the three other formulas for students with special needs – called At Promise program in the blueprint – for compensatory education which uses free and reduced price meal count as the proxy, multilingual learner formula, and special education formula. Each for each student they get an additional amount above the foundation amount calculated as a percentage of the foundation amount. So a multilingual learner would get 113% of the foundation amount. So they are connected mathematically in law.
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Jim Pettigrew40:59
Also, Member Moo, I indicated some time ago that whatever the sum may be in terms of the amount, part of this idea that we're talking about today would be to redirect some of those for the purposes that you heard Vice Chair Kerwin talk about and others, looking at some additional strategies and addressing some of the other needs that may have had some unintended consequences by the changes that may be made as a result of a slight delay as it relates to collaborative time. One other point I think you need to make for the public's consumption on this, Madam Executive Director, there is a great deal of confusion out there about the blueprint funding in terms of the foundation and its impact back to the operating budget that I think is circulated out there. Would you care to offer any advice about what the impacts are as that relates to the operating budget and some of the challenges that we are facing with the state in terms of its structural deficit?
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Executive Director44:14
Well, the Blueprint for Maryland's Future is funded through a special fund that has dedicated revenue sources to support the cost of implementing the blueprint initiatives. The special funds primarily come from gaming and also online sales tax revenues, but there are other smaller revenue sources as well that have been dedicated to the fund by the General Assembly over a number of years. The long-term projection for the blueprint fund as everyone's aware is that there is a structural deficit that begins in the out years. We'll have to see what the latest data from the Department of Legislative Services produces around those projections, but in the out years there is a projected shortfall in revenues to cover the full cost of the blueprint. There is also separately a General Fund budget deficit that the state is facing in the current and upcoming fiscal year in FY25 and FY26. The General Fund deficit – the blueprint is not contributing to that General Fund deficit, it is part of the special fund. So I think there is some confusion potentially about thinking that the General Fund deficit includes the blueprint, which it does not.
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Jim Pettigrew44:46
So if someone were to ask you what is the blueprint impact on the current or projected deficit in the next year, how would the response to that be?
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Executive Director45:01
Very factually, it is not contributing to that at all.
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Jim Pettigrew45:04
Okay, all right, I think that's important for us to say because some make the assumption that that is the case. Thank you, Madam Executive Director for that explanation.
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Dos44:57
Thank you so much. It's more or less a comment. I'm just very appreciative of this discussion during this meeting because it demonstrates that we're not just kicking the can down the road when it comes to collaborative time. We know factually that we have shortages, we know factually some of the things that Member Robinson brought up about the teaching profession. It shows that we are seriously considering strategies for retention, recruitment, looking at higher education partnerships, even bringing up the financial impact that Member Moo just brought up, recognizing the diversity of individual LEAs and their readiness to possibly move forward with implementing some type of pilot and getting support for that collaborative time model. So just to wrap it up, this has been a really good discussion showing our tenacity as a board moving forward.
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Jim Pettigrew46:17
One thing I would have to add here, because a lot of the things that we've talked about today we're not considering in isolation. Dr. Riot and Dr. Michaels all of them have been engaged in a number of conversations because in order for us to implement or have these changes implemented, they're the parties on the ground who would be in a position to operationally implement those things. So they have been out front on this and I thank them for their ideas and suggestions because we are not able to implement this; they're the implementing party on any of these things. I think their viewpoints have been generally in line with what we talked about. So let me not give the impression that we are talking about ideas in isolation, but in cooperation with them, with their leadership and efforts to make sure these ideas are implemented in operation.
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Moo47:27
Yes, Doc, Member Dos kind of reminded me as well. I do also appreciate the inquiry stance that we've been taking. I think it's important to gather information that we need to make better decisions, and pilots are part of that and research is part of that. All those things help us make better decisions. I also believe that there is an opportunity to gather information from people that don't get as much publicity. So I do think at some point there should be a concerted effort to not only talk to teachers but talk to students as well. I don't know how to best facilitate that, but I think that's a piece that we're missing. I don't feel like every constituency gets as much opportunity to share their perspectives on the teaching profession and what's going on with it. So as we're gathering information, let's not omit voices that are relevant to the discussion.
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Jim Pettigrew48:38
Okay, any other comments or questions? If not, I'm going to go to item number two, teacher collaborative time, and I'm going to read the motion that I want to present for the board's consideration. Given the current shortage of certified teachers in our schools, it is not feasible to hire the additional teachers in the near term to implement collaborative time on the current 8-year timeline in the blueprint that is FY 26 to FY 33. Therefore, the AIB recommends that adjustments of the timeline be made. The AIB recognizes the urgent need to increase the teacher pipeline with support that will support the implementation of additional strategies to close the teacher supply gap and meet the 40% collaborative time goal for all teachers on a revised timeline. Is there a second to the motion? I'll second. Okay, moved and seconded. We are now open for discussion or comment with the motion before us. All right, hearing none, I'm now going to call for the motion. All in favor of the motion I read, please indicate by saying 'I'. Any opposition? Hearing no opposition, the motion is so approved. Thank you very much.
All right, we can go now to our next item. There are some who have any additional comments? Any comments that you want to further make, Madam Executive Director?
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Executive Director51:58
No, I think before the discussion of the motion you discussed our upcoming board meetings. We have a joint board meeting with the Board of Education on January 28th and there will be additional items on that agenda related to other topics including pre-K and the career ladder, and particularly the career ladder. Under current law, the LEAs are required to submit a plan to implement collaborative time over the next eight years by July 1, which, given the conversation happening this legislative session, is not something that we would be able to expect the LEAs to submit such a plan by that date. So that's something we can discuss further with the State Board.
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Jim Pettigrew52:00
Thank you very much. Any further comments by other board members? If not, I'm going to make a couple last comments here. We've had an opportunity within the compliance of the regulations, the statute that we are to implement, and I think we've demonstrated very clearly that we're willing to consider where there's evidence challenges and difficulties that we need to address. This board is prepared to do so, but we want to make certain that every time we do so it is evidence-based and that we have a sound foundation for making any adjustments. Our consideration today of this matter is one prime example of an evidence-based challenge that we face for which this board is prepared to make adjustments. There may be some things that in the future we may look at that we find evidence-based to change or adjust; we will do so. But the burden is on those who seek to make the change to demonstrate to us that there is a need to do so. It is in the interest of educational agility but complies most directly with the blueprint statute itself. We will continue to engage with anyone who has ideas and suggestions as to how we can make this law better, but my emphasis and the board's emphasis is to implement the blueprint as close to finality as possible. That is our mission unless the legislative body chooses us otherwise; that's what we're going to do. Our action today is consistent with that point. Okay, with that, we have a motion for adjournment. So moved. Second moved and properly seconded. All in favor please indicate by saying 'I'. Opposition? Hearing none, the ayes have it. Look forward to seeing you soon. Thank you.