to the stage, the NATO Secretary General, Mark Rutte. Well, we are at a very important segment of this gathering, and I have witnessed your excitement, Mr. Secretary General, during the signing ceremonies, and also when you were announcing some of the initiatives on the part of NATO in engaging with industries. It is now your time as two leaders of both NATO and the European Union to have a conversation. And it was gratifying for me to see both leaders co-authoring an article for The Economist enumerating some of the ideas that you share. And in the article, one thing that struck me was that you argue that Europe's era to outsource much of its defense is over, and that deterrence is no longer with military capabilities, but also having our industries to produce more in a very speedy fashion, and in a better way. So, we still consider, of course, capabilities as something important. Nevertheless, you may perhaps both discuss a bit on the industrial capacity innovation ecosystem and most important resilience, which has become a currency of security in our time. So perhaps President von der Leyen, if you can start how you see the new environment in which defense industry has become so important for all of us, both NATO and the European Union.
Thank you so much for having us here. This is a great opportunity indeed to show how closely we are working together, the European Union and NATO. Actually, I was just thinking today one of the reasons is, my dear friend Mark, because we have both experiences on both sides. You were for 14 years Prime Minister, so he was in the European Council, and I was for 5 years Defense Minister, so I was sitting in NATO. Now it's the other way round, and therefore we know both how important a close cooperation between the European Union and NATO is. Second, I just listened to the panel before us. And it's very clear all member states of the European Union and allies have one single set of forces. So they assign this single set of forces either to NATO missions or to EU missions, UN missions, or coalition of the willing. But to make this possible, what we need is interoperability. And of course in this geostrategic and geopolitical environment, we need a massive surge in defense investment. And here the European Union is indeed massively stepping up. We have our Rearm Europe program which mobilizes up to 800 billion euros till 2030. In this program is SAFE, 150 billion euros for joint procurement. And not to forget the next long-term budget will have 131 billion euros for military capabilities plus 17 billion euros for military mobility, which is also of utmost importance. Streets, bridges, ports, airports, etc. The infrastructure also has to be here on the European side. And on SAFE is for us very important. As I said, the joint procurement. Here we have good news. We have now 10 agreements worth 100 billion euros. SAFE is per design open also to partners and other countries. 35% of the cost components can go outside the European Union, but of course 65% have to be in the European Union and that's the point how we strengthen the defense industrial base because with this taxpayers' money we want of course a return on investment. And we want good jobs in Europe. We want research and development in Europe. So that's important for us. My last sentence on this. The door is more open than the 35% for countries outside the European Union if there is a security and defense agreement signed. Canada is the first one to have done this. So these possibilities are also there. So you see a wide spectrum of investment.
Well, Secretary General, if you can also share your perspectives.
Well, basically I totally agree. The great thing is we know each other so long and of course there is a clear division of labor we both agree on. So that's why we can strengthen each other's roles. So, NATO is about command and control, capabilities, and standards. Basically, all the other things have to be handled by Europe. And the EU, of course, is crucial there. And 23 of NATO allies are also in the European Union. So, most of the NATO allies are also a member of the European Union. And when you look at issues like indeed making sure the money is there, the 800 billion, crucial program. But also when it comes to indeed military mobility. When it comes to societal resilience. When it comes to developing the defense industrial base. This is all what Europe, the EU is working on. You appointed Andrus Kubilius, the first defense commissioner, I think, in the history of the European Commission. He is working on that with a specific focus under your leadership. And I think that's all evidence. And we have got to do this because the threat is there. We cannot continue as we did being over-reliant on the United States. We need this much stronger Europe in a stronger NATO. And we can only get there when we work together seamlessly as one using and leveraging each other's strength. And that's what we are doing.
Well, we all know that it is important for Europeans to strengthen their strategic responsibility. I rather prefer using strategic responsibility rather than autonomy in order to have the transatlantic bonds as strong as ever. While doing so, of course, NATO is most appreciative of the initiatives taken by the European Union. You mentioned SAFE. Of course, there are many others. European Defense Fund, PESCO, EDIDP, REARM. And of course, in creating capabilities translating cash to capabilities, the European Union needs to look not only to the capabilities of the member states and Europe is more than the European Union. And I would like to ask to you, President Ursula von der Leyen, since the audience here is also including Turkish participants, how you see the involvement of non-EU allies. You mentioned Canada, but there are including Turkey, a way forward to properly involve Turkey in such projects. If you can touch upon it, I'm sure they will be quite receptive.
Yes. Turkey is one of the largest armed forces within NATO of very big importance and has always played an important role in the alliance, but also of course in our relationship with the European Union. And as I said, if you only look at SAFE, which are the 150 billion euros, 35% that's a lot, is open to work for example together with Turkey. But the 800 billion up to 2030 is the decision of the member states how to invest their defense allocation in order to fill the gaps. So there's a wide opportunity to have a very close cooperation with each other. For us is very important to be totally aligned with the NATO targets because, as I said, the one single set of forces, we know where the gaps are and we have to work very closely together. So for example, the NDPP, the NATO defense planning process is for us very important so that we fill the gaps in a cost-efficient manner. But I want to add another point. We also want to work very closely with Ukraine. The panel before us described the phenomenal innovative power that Ukraine has. And this we have to use because we have to step up in our defense capabilities fast, at a reasonable cost, and smart. And Ukraine has proven all this in the last years under the pressure of the war. This is the reason why the European Union for the first time opened an innovation office in Kyiv to have the direct contact with the Kyiv industrial base. Secondly, we are encouraging our companies to go into joint venture with Ukrainian companies. And thirdly, we as a European Union are working on a longer-term partnership in order to look how to boost our cutting-edge technology base in our defense industrial base in the European Union together with Ukraine. We can learn a lot from Ukraine, and we have to learn a lot because they are not only highly innovative, but also battlefield experienced. So, this whole picture shows how much we are stepping up here together with NATO because we share the same interests and we share the same values, and we know what's up.
Secretary General, you in your remarks told that the priority for Ankara summit would be also to have a proper follow-up of the Hague summit meeting with the decisions taken there. Of course, when European allies elevate their contributions in burden sharing, it should not translate itself to decoupling transatlantic bond. To maintain it is of vital importance. But, talking about the defense industrial capacity, there are few earlier initiatives like Diana Innovation Fund, but you also today touched upon some new ones. What would be the priorities for NATO in years ahead to focus and deliver? And what industrial community could expect and what you expect from them?
