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Interview mit Asoka Wöhrmann

🎥 Jan 01, 2015 📺 FONDS professionell ⏱ 5m
Asoka Wöhrmann, Chefstratege der Deutschen Asset & Wealth Management, gibt im Exklusiv-Interview am FONDS professionell ...
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About Asoka Wöhrmann

In a 2021 discussion, Asoka Wöhrmann stated that the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic would likely persist until the end of 2023, describing the recovery as a "cyclical" process rather than a quick rebound. He emphasized that the next decade would be critical for addressing climate and social issues, and said that asset managers must accelerate their focus on sustainability, including engaging with companies or excluding them based on environmental ratings. In a 2015 interview, Wöhrmann, then chief strategist at Deutsche Asset & Wealth Management, described the low-interest-rate environment as a multi-year challenge. He recommended defensive equity strategies and dividend-yielding stocks, and expressed a preference for European, U.S., and Asian equities, while noting that volatility would require active management of emotions and portfolio reallocation.

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Transcript (5 segments)
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Interviewer0:00
You are the Chief Investment Strategist of Deutsche Asset and Wealth Management. Thank you very much for taking the time for us. 2014 and now 2015 seem to be very difficult investment years. How are you preparing for the scenarios, especially on the topic of low interest rates, the whole potential crises in Europe and other countries?
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Asoka Wöhrmann0:22
Yes, it will be a challenging year. 2014 was not as easy as 2013, and there will also be many opportunities this year despite low interest rates, but volatility will be high. How do we deal with that? When ten-year German government bonds are at 0.33 basis points, or 33 basis points, and one must say that is a phenomenon. Many people underestimate that if you do not actively take risks here, you can no longer keep your assets stable. But nevertheless, I think this year there are fantastic opportunities in many other asset classes. In the bond sector I would always say for myself, for diversification, government bonds are certainly indispensable, but there is no longer any return. The safety premium costs so much that you get nothing nominal, you even lose real, but you have liquidity and safety. On the other hand, you have corporate bonds that you have to actively manage this year; the buy-and-hold strategy is definitively over. You have to pursue an active credit strategy, and I think there are enough opportunities to do that this year. You can certainly act with peripheral bonds, with European investment grade, you can also do high-yield bonds if you manage the timing well. So there are numerous possibilities. And then on the other end, you have the defensive equity strategy. I think it's no longer a secret today that the dividend is the secret interest for many, and the dividend yield is already higher than the credit yields of many companies. I think you will pursue a defensive equity strategy; whoever has pursued it has had the dividend yield in mind, and that will certainly work very well this year. But you cannot avoid equities. Whoever, in a zero interest rate environment, thinks they cannot take risks or does not want to take risks, will not be able to stabilize their assets, but will instead lose a little bit each year. And that's a problem because the low interest rate phase is not a one-year phenomenon. We have already had three years of real money losses; we will have to prepare for the same in the next three years. So equities remain the first best choice. We like European equities; valuations are fair, the low euro, the sharply fallen oil price, but also in my opinion the low interest rates help companies to generate good profits, and you want to be part of that. And I think that's it.
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Interviewer3:33
It all sounds as if one might think that the low interest rate scenario could make equities the trend. Perhaps a thought: which industries would you focus on at the moment?
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Asoka Wöhrmann3:47
Yes, due to the very sharply fallen oil price, it is obvious that one should favor cyclical values and cyclical sectors. That is certainly for us the first and best advice to many: to look into that. There are many opportunities, and one must also say we do not only like European equities; we also like, in my opinion, currency-open American equity positions, but also Asian equities that could certainly be preferred this year due to the very sharply fallen oil price. And also, in my opinion, technology stocks should not be left out. And I think if you have these, let's say, trends in your portfolio, you can get through 2015 well. And volatility must be managed; you have to tame your emotions, but also sometimes, if you are in good profit, think about a reallocation into other asset classes. As I said, volatility is a theme that will accompany us this year, and we have to pay attention to that.
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Interviewer5:04
Yes, thank you very much for this great assessment. Thank you, thank you.