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Alfredo Avello
Chief Financial Officer, ENCE Energía y Celulosa

La Visión de los CFOs #8 | Alfredo Avello de la Peña, CFO de ENCE

🎥 Jul 01, 2023 📺 DCH | Círculo CFOs ⏱ 14m 👁 945 views
César Serrano, Partner Manager de LucaNet, entrevista a Afredo Avello de la Peña, CFO de ENCE.
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Transcript (15 segments)
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César Serrano0:10
Good afternoon everyone, welcome to this new chapter we are starting today of the CFO Mission. My name is César Serrano, I am a Partner Manager at Lukanette, and today we have the special collaboration of Alfredo Avello. Alfredo is the CFO of the ENCE group, but let him tell you himself. Thank you very much, Alfredo, for being here in this interview. Tell us a little about who you are and what your role is.
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Alfredo Avello0:40
Well, thank you first. Who am I? That's a good question. I would say 'we are' because we are a team with a clear service vocation. I believe that a financial function, a corporate function, a cross-cutting function, is there to serve. That's the first thing. And the second thing is what I am not: I am not a cost center. I think we are here to generate value. I believe there are always solutions to any circumstance that may arise. 'Impossible' is just a word, it's an opinion. You can always find a way, and that's what we have to do: be there to provide support, number one, better and easier work and processes for each of the operational lines, and give solutions, supporting the decisions of our president and board of directors.
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César Serrano1:30
Very good, Alfredo. You are focused not only on the cost line but also on the top line. I would say I have never defined myself as a desk CFO, sitting there. Of course you have to look at costs, but the CFO is also there to help growth. He has to have a vision, provide support, give solutions, and generate opportunities. He can be Torquemada when he has to be Torquemada, because you also have to look at the euro, but you have to have a clear vision of the top line as well. Yes, and that's very fashionable now, isn't it? Not only focusing on the cost side, but also exploiting the revenue line and seeing how we can generate value, because as you say, it is.
How has the evolution of ENCE been from the beginning, and what has been your role in the journey you have achieved? Because you have grown a lot, and well, how has that journey been?
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Alfredo Avello2:29
For me, it is one of the most dynamic, most exciting, and most fun companies in the Spanish business landscape. It all started from a vision of our honorary president, Juan Luis Arregui, about the tree, the use of the tree, the circularity of our operations, the possibility not only of generating or producing paper pulp for our clients, but also discovering the knowledge in the generation of renewable energy that existed with biomass boilers, and how to multiply all that in different opportunities throughout Spain. Really, the ENCE I entered in 2013 has nothing to do with the ENCE of today. It has a great team, an absolutely top-level, passionate, dynamic team, eager to do new things and generate problems for the CFO so he can solve them. Great. So, in the end, how have you been growing, adding value? Explain to those who are listening how that is achieved, because in the end we would all be intrigued about how that value is built.
The old National Cellulose Company of Spain was dedicated to making cellulose. What Juan Luis Arregui saw, and then our president Ignacio Colmenares put into practice, was that vision: 'Hey, when you make cellulose, if you break down each of the operations, you have a huge energy part.' We select the eucalyptus trunk; all the bark, all the roots, all the leaves go to biomass boilers to generate renewable energy. The trunk is chipped, cooked, and releases the components of the wood: the water evaporates, the fiber continues along the fiber line, and the lignin, which is the glue that binds everything, is also burned in recovery boilers, generating as much electricity as the entire process needs. What Juan Luis saw was: 'This is not just about making cellulose; these guys know about energy generation with biomass. What if I develop this business as a separate business? And what if, instead of wood, which we use for cellulose, I use agricultural residues that are in the south of Spain? Rice straw, wheat straw, oat straw; all that we see along Spanish roads being burned. What if instead of burning all that, you burned it in boilers and generated renewable energy?'
What knowledge do you need? The supply of biomass, which is different from wood, and then the stretched sale because you don't do it directly. Well, it started in 2012 with the first plants in this sense, and now we already have eight plants. 70% of the residues, or rather by-products, we use are agricultural, so it's a way to take advantage of everything that is... that word so fashionable: sustainability, bioeconomy, and so on. And I challenge many to tell me what industry is more circular than this one. It's like the pig: you use absolutely everything from the tree. Now, look, we have an exciting project. We had a drought at our Pontevedra factory and we couldn't use water from the river. Well, the team, through the innovation process, managed to devise a system by which we recirculate the residual water from the Pontevedra plant, clean it, and use it to produce the same cellulose.
It's like the pig: you use absolutely everything from the tree. Now, look, we have an exciting project. We had a drought at our Pontevedra factory and we couldn't use water from the river. Well, the team, through the innovation process, managed to devise a system by which we recirculate the residual water from the Pontevedra plant, clean it, and use it to produce the same cellulose.
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César Serrano6:14
Hey, tell me! So in the end, you have been squeezing the entire process to the maximum. And what challenges have you encountered along the way? Because in the end, this sounds like it's already built, but there must have been a whole journey, right?
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Alfredo Avello6:30
I would say, from the energy point of view, when I started in 2013 with biomass, biomass was the ugly duckling of renewables. Because there had been problems at the corporate level before, companies that hadn't done it well, banks were more on edge than giving us affection. It was a matter of gaining trust: 'Hey, let's put a plant for you, let's do it this way, we'll manage it so you're calm,' and as you learn with us, we improve the process. That was a huge challenge. The other challenge I would say is the cellulose point: moving towards what we were developing, which is special products, not standard. Our main competitor is Brazil or Chile. They are at least 60 days by sea transport to Europe. When they arrive, do you think they know 60 days in advance which client they were going to sell to, how many tons of pulp? No idea. We have two factories barely a week from our clients, so we can run campaigns. So how do you convince people: 'Hey, instead of making the typical standard pulp, let's see if my client would be better off with a higher degree of brightness, or opacity, or more resistance,' and so on. That's what we've been doing, innovating and generating new products that differentiate us from the Brazilians, who do a great job too. But we have taken a step further and changed the paradigm. That's one. And two, the supply of wood is brutal. I think we are the only cellulose company on the Peninsula that is self-sufficient locally, and that is an incredible competitive advantage. It has been hard to maintain that pace of growth, so fast and challenging. It has been hard.
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César Serrano8:43
Well, from your more financial point of view, of having control, has that process been hard? And I say it again, it's exciting. It's true that you found things that made you say 'no way I'm going into this, people are against it, this can't be.' And I tell you, we have been finding solutions, step by step, not fighting against anyone but rather putting ourselves alongside them and seeing what we have to do. For example, biomass: people were against burning biomass, wood, etc. Well, we sat down with the main environmental organizations and created a decalogue for biomass: what can be used to generate energy and what cannot be used. When you go to a field that has just been harvested, you don't take all the straw because part of the straw first has to be used for animal feed, and then another part has to be left to enrich the soil. The rest you can take, but all of this is cataloged. And then the use of technology, digitalization, is brutal. We use satellites to see what is being harvested and where, to send people there. For any pruning of an olive grove or any harvest that has been done in the field, it has been a matter of giving a lot of confidence to financial institutions, not against them but alongside them: 'How do we do it? I have to work a bit now because this wasn't what I wanted to do, or pay a little more.' 'Okay, I'll wait for you next year, when you're calm, we'll lower the price.' And that's how it has been. Very good.
From the interview, that longing you mentioned about viscose, for example, which was a very curious characteristic. Well, share the knowledge with the rest. People are not very aware of this, but there are already stores in Spain where you can buy viscose fabrics. Viscose is the other fabric that has a natural origin. Everything we have is cotton as the main natural fiber, with which an impressive amount of textiles is generated, but it has a limit: cotton production is no longer growing. Between cotton production and the world population that continues to grow, and which needs to be clothed, what covers that? Well, it is not covered by natural fibers; they are of more... well, synthetic fibers derived from petroleum. But what people don't know is that textile also comes from wood, treated differently, and you have viscose garments that are also natural in origin. Yes, very curious. I found it very curious. Well, that's how it is. And now, what would you say to those colleagues who are watching us, who may be financial directors in their businesses? What advice would you give them? What would be your main recommendation?
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Alfredo Avello12:05
To overcome those challenges or to enjoy that path, first, you have to be close to the operations. You have to understand the operations. You don't have to sit in the office; you have to go to the plants, to the places where operations are being generated, to understand the processes, what the people's problems are, and what problems you can find in each phase of the value chain. With that, you can start thinking and generating solutions. That's one. And two, there is always a solution for everything. There is never a 'no.' You just have to look for it. It may be optimal or not optimal, but that's possible. But above all, get up from the desk and go to the operations. So, those of you who are stuck in the office day to day and don't go out, and feel like you're imprisoned, you have to go out because you have to understand the business and the processes. And it will also help you explain much better how your business evolves. Look, even the administrative function of accounting: go to the operations, look at the processes, and it will help you understand what you are recording. And in that way, you will be able to reflect much better the real situation of the company and how to do things truthfully, as demanded, because in the end it has to be a faithful reflection of reality. Yes, it's in line with the new role of the financial officer, which is more of a strategic role, not so much a desk role, having to collaborate with the operations.
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César Serrano13:22
Service, service. Very well. Alfredo, it's been a pleasure. Thank you very much for this interview we've had. Thank you very much for being here with us, listening to this interesting presentation by Alfredo. And see you in the next chapter of the CFO Mission. Do you have anything to say as a farewell, Alfredo?
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Alfredo Avello13:53
Thank you very much, and to the operations. Thank you very much. God bless.