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Chairman, Chief Executive Officer & President, Fifth Third Bancorp

Fifth Third Bancorp Q2 2026 Earnings Call | Comerica Merger Advances $300B+ Asset Integration

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About Timothy Spence

Timothy Spence, chairman, CEO, and president of Fifth Third Bancorp, discussed the bank's second quarter 2026 results on July 17, 2026. He stated that the bank reported earnings per share of $1.02, exceeding estimates of $0.88, and revenue of $3.28 billion. Spence said the bank's strategy is to "stay disciplined and to build durable franchise earnings" in a strong macro environment, prioritizing "stability, profitability, and growth in that order." He noted that the consumer franchise has $116 billion in deposits at a total cost of 1.25%, and that the bank is able to retain customers by providing "leading product, great service and convenient locations." Spence also expressed confidence in sustaining loan growth, citing increased commercial client confidence, and highlighted the bank's $2 billion fee income platforms and capital markets revenue exceeding $600 million. He said future investments will focus on real estate capital markets, following the acquisition of a Home Street Mechanics DUS lender, which he described as a step toward building a multi-agency platform. On the first quarter 2026 earnings call in April, Spence said the bank reported earnings per share of $0.83, or $1.12 excluding certain items. He noted that more than half of the U.S. population now lives in the bank's footprint, and that 17 of the 20 fastest-growing large metro areas are in that footprint. Spence said the bank has "less than $100 million of funded exposure to data centers" and expressed skepticism about underwriting such facilities without employing AI researchers. He also said the bank avoided lending to business development companies because it "couldn't figure out what total leverage was" in those structures.

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Transcript (91 segments)
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Operator0:03
Hello everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to the fifth third quarter earnings call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the conference over to Matt Hurro, director of investor relations. Please go ahead.
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Matt Hurro0:31
Good morning everyone. Welcome to Fifth Third second quarter 2026 earnings call. This morning our chairman, CEO, and president Tim Spence and CFO Brian Preston will provide an overview of our second quarter results and outlook. Please review the cautionary statements in our materials which can be found in our earnings release and presentation. These materials contain information regarding the use of non-GAAP measures and reconciliations to the GAAP results as well as forward-looking statements about Fifth Third's performance. These statements speak only as of July 17th, 2026, and Fifth Third undertakes no obligations to update them. Following prepared remarks by Tim and Brian, we will open up the call for questions. With that, let me turn it over to Tim.
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Tim Spence1:14
Morning everyone and thank you for joining us at Fifth Third. Certainly believe great banks distinguish themselves not by how they perform in benign environments, but how they navigate uncertain ones. In a strong macro environment like this one, our job is to stay disciplined and to build durable franchise earnings, not simply to enjoy the cyclical boost. As we always say, it's stability, profitability, and growth in that order. Today, we reported earnings per share of 83 cents or a$12 excluding certain items outlined on page two of the release. When we announced our merger with America nine months ago, we made three commitments. To produce no tangible book value per share solution, to become an even more profitable company, and to create an even better platform for long-term growth. While we are still in the middle of integration, and not every metric is yet where it will be, our trajectory and long-term potential are visible in this quarter's results. Tangible book value per share increased 10% year-over-year, 1% sequentially and 7% since the announcement of the transaction. Our adjusted return on tangible common equity improved to 19%. Our adjusted return on assets improved to 1.3% and our adjusted efficiency ratio improved to 57%.
Even with most of these strength synergies still yet to be captured. As importantly, our organic growth strategies continue to deliver on the broader footprint and opportunity set that Fifth Third and America together possess. End of period consumer and small business deposits increased 4% sequentially, driven by strong new customer acquisition. In the Southeast, consumer checking households grew by 7% year-over-year, approximately four times the rate of underlying market growth. We open more than one branch per week during the quarter and remain on schedule to open 55 new branches in the southeast for the full year. Encouragingly, America's Texas, Arizona, and California markets grew checking households by 4%. The first net new household growth in several years and added $2.5 billion in deposits, more than double the $1 billion expectation that we shared in our last earnings call. We also opened our first fifth third branded branches in Texas and California during the quarter. Following conversion, we expect Southwest household growth to accelerate further as America's existing branches see the full benefit of Fifth Third's products, digital channels, and analytically driven direct marketing. We will also see the pace of new branch opening accelerate in Texas, having now secured 101 of the 150 additional locations we targeted to build by the end of 2029.
Turning to commercial lending, end of period CNI loans grew 2% sequentially. America's legacy markets and specialty verticals drove CNI loans with Texas, California, Michigan, environmental services, dealer services, and tech and life sciences all showing growth. Overall, we continue to see demand in sectors and markets benefiting from infrastructure investments as well as in aerospace and defense. Our largest fee businesses hit important milestones during the quarter with commercial payments and wealth and asset management each achieving a $1 billion plus annualized fee run rate and capital market fees reaching 600 million annualized pace. Newline continued to drive growth in commercial payments with D revenue increasing 35% year-over-year and the technology behind it earned 2026 top financial innovation awards from both the American banker and global finance.
We also shipped the first directed stress cards on our new platform during the quarter with 66,000 new beneficiaries and all participating federal agencies now live. Behind the scenes, our products and technology teams had a strong quarter both in terms of integration and innovation. On the integration front, we executed our second mock conversion in June with good outcomes. We remain on track to execute systems conversion on Labor Day weekend, the last step to unlock the $850 million of annualized run rate synergies we committed to deliver in the fourth quarter. On the innovation front, New Line extended its model context protocol server capabilities with skills, standardizing how AI models can use our tools and workflows. And our consumer team shipped a new AI powered interface within our mobile app designed to streamline navigation and task completion for our customers. We also launched Fifth Third for business during the quarter, a banking experience designed to help small businesses manage working capital and get paid faster. This solution includes several differentiated tech enabled elements including crediting eligible payments such as merchant receivables and government payments up to two days early for free enabling business customers to accept payments via Dell and Pacipay directly on their smartphones and providing access to working capital through the same award-winning digital interface that powers provide. Internally, Fifth Third colleagues continued to make significant use of AI tools to boost quality and productivity, executing more than 1 million prompts in the month of June alone. In technology, the prompt accepted rate for new code was 45% during the quarter, and over 87% of unit testing was automated by AI. Well, it's early days and we have much yet to learn about how best to harness the power of these tools and looking forward to what we will be able to do after our technical conversion is complete.
Before I hand it over to Brian, I would like to take a moment to thank our team members. The work you do is detailed, demanding, and important, especially now as we serve existing customers and communities along with executing the largest merger in our history. We are building a fifth third that is not just bigger but better, more differentiated, and more resilient. That's why earlier this morning, Neuromoney recognized you as their best US bank in 2026. Congratulations. With that, I'll turn it over to Brian.
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Brian Preston7:23
Thanks, Tim, and good morning. Our second quarter results reflect a core franchise that kept compounding and the earnings power of the combined company beginning to show through in the margin, the fee lines and the expense discipline. The comparisons to the prior quarters remain distorted by the acquisition. So let me review the key themes in two parts. First, our organic engine kept executing and second to America broaden the runway ahead of us. Starting with our organic performance, net interest income and margin show the benefits of the continued discipline execution in addition to the acquisition benefits. Net interest income was 2.22 billion and net interest margin expanded six basis points sequentially to 3.36%. The margin move breakdown cleanly. The additional months of America contributed three basis points and the remaining expansion came from the continued benefit of fixed rate asset repricing, loan growth and deposit performance. Loan growth was broad-based and granular. Period end portfolio loans of $179 billion grew 1% sequentially with commercial loans up $2 billion or 2% on production across middle market and corporate banking. Line utilization was stable at 40.8%. 8% flat with the first quarter. Clients remain active despite continued market volatility. Shared national credits remain a modest 26% of total loans, consistent with our focus on granularity. In addition, our provide fintech platform grew loans approximately 4% sequentially. We are realizing the benefits from expanding provides leading digital experience in practice finance into a broader small business lending platform where we have moved from number 31 in SBA lending nationally a year ago to number 15 today. Period end consumer loans grew steadily with the mix continuing to shift. Home equity balances increased 3% sequentially and we were the number one originator of home equity lines across our legacy footprint. This growth maintains the same credit discipline with an average FICO of 774 and a loan to value ratio of 63%. Given the rate outlook, we expect continued momentum in this product where we have been building share.
Our funding discipline shows in the deposit book where we saw granular deposit growth and well controlled deposit costs. Average core deposits were $229 billion in the quarter and period end core deposits were $231 billion. We remain focused on improving the composition of our deposit base towards our long-term goal of retail deposits contributing 60% of our core deposits. During the second quarter, consumer deposits grew nearly $5 billion and offset the intentional reduction of higher cost non-relationship deposits and normal seasonality in commercial. The $2.5 billion dollars of consumer deposit growth in the Southwest that Ten described was a meaningful driver of that growth and reflects early traction in our newer markets. Average non-interest bearing balances were 28% of core deposits, up from 25% a year ago, reflecting America's commercial DDA franchise and our own consumer DDA growth. On a legacy flip-f basis, households grew 3% over the past year and has been highlighted even faster in the southeast markets, translating into 5% consumer DDA growth, reflecting relationship-based, not rate-driven growth. Total deposit costs fell four basis points sequentially to 1.54%, a favorable outcome relative to industry trends. Interest bearing deposit costs also improved down two basis points sequentially. Our balance sheet management posture is unchanged. We prioritize granular insured deposit funding and we continue to hold meaningful liquidity buffers. We maintain a category 1 LCR ratio of 107% and a loan to core deposit ratio of 77%. We have and will continue to actively manage our overall funding costs through pricing and mix. A discipline that has allowed us to expand NIM this quarter while continuing to fund growth.
The fee business performance carried the same breadth with not one line but three delivering solid outcomes. The same three that we have invested in for years and the returns are compounding. Adjusted non-interest income, excluding security gains and other items listed on page four of the release, was $1.04 billion. Wealth and asset management revenue was $256 million on higher personal asset management fees and favorable market performance. Total assets under management were $128 billion and on a legacy fifth basis, AUM was $85 billion, up 16% from the prior year. Within wealth, fifth securities continued this momentum with retail brokerage revenue up 18% from the prior year. Commercial payments revenue was $254 million led by strength in New Line and core treasury services. As Tim noted, new line fee revenue was up 35% compared to the prior year and related deposits were 5.3 billion, an increase of $2.1 billion from the prior year. Direct Express contributed $22 million in fee income with average deposits of $3.7 billion in the quarter. Capital market fees were $154 million on client financial risk management and loanification activity. An annualized pace in line with the $600 million run rate 10 described. Now to expenses where the benefits from America and the integration progress are already being realized. Total adjusted non-interest expense of $1.86 billion was better than our expectations as we continue to realize synergy benefits ahead of schedule. Page five of our release details the certain items that had the largest impact on non-interest expense this quarter, primarily $23 million in merger related charges. The full $850 million of annualized run rate expense synergies is on track for the fourth quarter with systems conversion over Labor Day weekend, the next major step. Given that conversion timing, we expect to realize the majority of the remaining synergy benefits in the fourth quarter. The adjusted efficiency ratio was 57.1%. a strong improvement from the first quarter and we remain confident in achieving a run rate efficiency target of 53%.
On credit trends were benign and improving. The net charge off ratio improved seven basis points sequentially to 30 basis points at the bottom of our range and the lowest level since the second quarter of 2023. Commercial net charge offs were 21 basis points down five basis points sequentially with stable trends across industries and geographies despite the continued market volatility. Consumer net charge offs were 53 basis points down five basis points sequentially and consumer delinquency trends remain stable. Non-performing assets were relatively stable, up three basis points from the first quarter, and commercial criticized assets increased during the quarter. Where we grow is a choice, and so is where we don't. Our exposure to non-depository financial institutions is approximately 7% of total loans, well below the industry average, concentrated in subscription and capital call facilities, corporate facilities to traditional financial institutions and secured lending to mortgage related entities. In each of these areas, we have deep underwriting histories and structural protections that provide significant loss absorption before we would recognize a dollar of loss. On private credit, our loan growth does not rely on lending to private credit vehicles and business development companies, which together are less than 1% of total loans. A deliberate decision given the structural complexity that is harder to assess through a cycle. On software and data center lending, we believe in the long-term demand for AI infrastructure, but has stayed selective. At less than 1% of total loans, that exposure is intentionally limited in performing in line with expectations. The ACL ratio ended at 1.76% of portfolio loans, down three basis points sequentially, reflecting continued strength in the risk profile of our book, particularly in CNI lending. Provision of $129 million was down $98 million from the prior quarter which included an $83 million day one CECL bill for America acquired non-PTC and non-PSL loans. Our baseline and downside economic cases assume unemployment reaching 4.6% and 8.5% respectively in 2027 consistent with the prior quarter scenarios. We made no changes to our macroeconomic scenario weightings during the quarter. Moving to capital, CET1 ended the quarter at 9.93%, an increase of four basis points sequentially despite strong period end loan growth and absorbing $175 million of after tax charges related to the merger and other items. Our CET1 ratio including the AOCI impact of our securities portfolio was 8.7%. Intangible common equity including AOCI improved to 7.3%.
We expect continued improvement in the unrealized losses in our securities portfolio given the bullet locked out structure as approximately 55% of the fixed rate securities in our AFS portfolio have a defined principal repayment schedule. A portfolio construction choice that gives us a high degree of certainty around the timing of the AOCI accretion back into capital. Finally, there was no share purchase activity in the first half of the year. Moving to our current outlook, our outlook reflects the forward curve at the end of June, which assumes the 25 basis point rate hike in September. Given the updated rate outlook and actions we took during the quarter, we are increasing our full year NII guidance to a range of 8.74 billion to $8.8 billion. Those actions, repositioning $4.5 billion of securities and adding $3 billion of forward starting received fixed swaps as a cash flow hedge on our commercial loan portfolio added to the NII outlook while beginning to reduce our asset sensitivity. We are refining our average loan guidance range to $174 billion to $176 billion. As a reminder, the average balance for the year will only include 11 months of America. We are raising and narrowing our full year non-interest income guidance to a range of 4.06 billion to $4.16 billion, reflecting continued growth in commercial payments, capital markets, and wealth and asset management. We are also lowering and narrowing our full year non-interest expense guidance to a range of 7.22 billion to 7.26 billion. This outlook excludes acquisition related charges. Taken together, our guidance implies full year adjusted PPNR growth of more than 40% versus 2025, including the impact of CDI amortization.
We remain on track to exit 2026 at profitability and efficiency levels consistent with our 2027 targets. For credit, we expect second half net charge offs of 30 to 35 basis points, which will place our full year performance in the bottom half of our 30 to 40 basis point range. Turning to capital, our CET1 operating target is 10 to 10.5%. And we are effectively there with capital continuing to build through our earnings power. Our capital priorities remain unchanged. Maintain a strong dividend, support organic growth where we see the highest returns on deployed capital, and then return excess capital through share purchases. Consistent with that approach, we expect to resume regular quarterly repurchase activity in the second half of this year. For the third quarter, we expect NII to grow 2% to 2.5% from the second quarter, driven by the continued benefit of fixed rate asset repricing and daycount. Average loans are expected to be up approximately 1% led by growth in CNI, home equity, and auto. Adjusted non-interest income is expected to increase 1 to 3%. While adjusted non-interest expense is expected to decrease 1 to 2% as expense synergies continue to be realized. The second quarter turned the integration thesis into results. The earnings power of the combined company isn't a forecast anymore. You can see it in the margin, the fee lines and the expense discipline. The core grew on its own. America widened the runway and with the Labor Day conversion just weeks away, the earnings power is landing on the schedule we set. With that, let me turn it over to Matt to open the call up for Q&A.
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Matt Hurro21:28
Thanks, Brian. Before we start Q&A, given the time we have this morning, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up and then return to the queue if you have additional questions. Operator, please open the call for Q&A.
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Operator21:43
We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
Your first question is from the line of Ibraham Punoala with Bank of America. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Ibraham Punoala22:25
Hey, good morning. Good morning. I guess maybe talking about the upcoming systems conversion at America. Just talk to us as we move forward obviously the expense synergies things kind of playing out in line if not better than expected as we think about what's next tied to the deal and the opportunities it has created for the bank. Maybe lay out if there's more to do on the efficiency front as we think about expenses making that franchise more productive and then does it create idiosyncratic revenue growth runway for Fifth Third even as early as 2027. Thanks.
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Tim Spence23:08
Sure. Thank you. And good question a lot there. So yes, I think we feel very good going into the Labor Day systems conversion. I think we've talked before about the fact that the mantra here on any sort of a big program, whether it's a thing like this or the organic expansion, is think slow, act fast. So we elected to do three mocks as opposed to two, which I think is generally where people are. So we got through the second mock in June and that went very, very well. We've actually built some pretty cool tech tools for this conversion. Effectively an intelligence layer that sits on top of the Microsoft project plan hard deck that is able to monitor the conversion in real time and then help the teams coordinate including having AI essentially listening into the teams' Slack feeds and monitoring for any sort of sign that there may be a delay and then helping us to think through the contingencies. So we feel very good about being able to get the conversion done on Labor Day which then to your point even unlocks the last large wave of synergies both as it relates to real estate and to people and then obviously to the elimination of the systems. We are, if you just look at it mathematically, running a good bit ahead of the 850 million in synergies. Our plan, assuming that the environment holds the way that it has, has been to redeploy anything above the 850 into supporting revenue growth unless we just don't have opportunities to be able to do that. So at least as it stands today, the intent would not be to allow the additional synergies to fall directly to the bottom line in form of incremental efficiency. It would be investing. The deposit campaigns in the southwest went obviously extraordinarily well. I think when we talked to you in January, we said we were hoping post legal day one to be able to get a half a billion to three-quarters of a billion out of the southwest market. So we did the earnings call and the plan the programs were tracking ahead of plan said we hope to get a billion, $2.5 billion dollars of incremental deposits into those southwest branches. And so we're eager post conversion to be able to turn on the checking household acquisition marketing and we expect to do very well. The annualized sequential checking household growth in the southwest is 4% as I mentioned in my prepared remarks which you know, whatever, I won't make an effort to calculate the compound rate, but multiply that by four, it's 15% annualized growth in incredibly robust markets and that's without the checking products that Fifth Third will bring and the incremental household marketing. I think the other area is we intend to turn on the jets and the product specialists and the relationship manager salesforce. We're ahead of the game on mortgage. We were able to move earlier there because we really didn't have a large mortgage platform. We did the same amount in production in the America footprint in two months that America did in 12 months last year. And so that is evidence of where I think we'll be able to see pickup. We had some sizable commodities hedging relationships in metals and recycling come online aligned to America's vertical in the second quarter about 10% of the comment salesforce production with Fifth Third products that America didn't previously offer. I think that could be a lot more, could be 50% by the time we're done there. And the ADL product in particular in addition to equipment leasing continues to be quite successful. We had America bankers win new quality relationships. So not just servicing existing relationships but win new relationships with those products. So I'm of the view that given that those things are materializing today pre-conversion, you know, when it's still a little bit clunky to be trying to manage client relationships across two technology stacks, that when we get through to the other side of this we should be able to show a pickup in both loan production but in particular fee production on the commercial side of the equation next year and that there's no reason not to take the household growth rates and to multiply it by four for the southwest because we will invest in an environment where deposits continue to be important, where the demand continues to be ample, and incrementally we generate above and beyond the 850 and the bottom line driveable book value per share growth.
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Ibraham Punoala28:21
Got it. Thank you. And maybe Brian, one quick one for you. As we think about, I'm assuming you still think expect the normalized margin to move into the 340s sometime next year. Just talk to us on the deposit side given the campaigns are running in terms of what are you observing both from a competitive standpoint maybe by market or whichever way you think is helpful but beyond competitive landscape also from a customer behavior standpoint like is the Fed not doing anything just leading to deposit pricing discussions ebbing or customers are still mixing towards higher rate products. Thanks.
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Brian Preston29:04
Thanks, E. We would tell you the environment certainly is competitive and that's not unexpected and what is now really shifted into a loan growth environment. Loan growth obviously creates deposit growth for the industry as well, but there's a lot of sorting that has to occur. So we are certainly seeing an uptick in the competitiveness across the footprint. I would tell you the consumer deposit franchise is probably the most competitive area right now across both the Midwest, Southeast, and Southwest. We've tested a lot of different rate offers over the last six months in the first half of the year, and it certainly is getting more expensive to grow deposits. But what we feel really good about is our ability to manage overall deposit costs, which you see in our results this quarter. We've done and remain disciplined on our ability to recycle interest expense into new opportunities. I think one thing that is hard to see in the numbers is that we're still maintaining in the area of about a hundred billion dollars what we would refer to as high beta balances that we have the opportunity to recycle some of that cost through some cuts and into growth strategies and that has been a real focus of us for quite some time on how we actually execute that. It's what's helped us deliver that strong deposit growth and deposit cost discipline in this quarter. And so we see that trend continuing. And what we're excited about is the opportunities in the southwest markets in particular because we have such low share in those markets, we have the ability to go to those markets and drive for some good growth opportunities that have really limited cannibalization costs for us from a book perspective. And that really helps us manage the overall marginal cost of those deposits, which has been a key part of the strategy. So we think it's going to continue to be competitive. On the commercial front, I wouldn't say it's as competitive as what we've seen in the consumer books. Still competitive. People are obviously trying to be positioned on the commercial front to be able to take advantage of the rate hikes. We obviously one of the ways we managed through that is making sure that our index portfolio is structured the right way, which we feel good about right now. But I don't think people are at this point overly focused on the hikes because I think people are kind of a coin toss if we're going to see something. But it is something we're keeping a close eye on right now.
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Tim Spence31:33
Yeah. If I just add one thing, I think environments like this one favor people who have some sort of differentiated strategy, right? If you're just in the commodity markets for deposits, the competition dictates your margins. When you have differentiated platforms in particular ones that are operational in nature because they're just harder to build quickly, you have optionality that others don't. So you know, like a billion dollars as a yard in the bond lexicon, if you go through the numbers this past quarter, we got two yards year-over-year for New Line, we got three from consumer most of which from the southwest and the southeast, and then four yards for Direct Express. We get one more yard and we are at a first down, right? It's just but those are things that not everybody can play. And in the case of Direct Express it's a unique attribute. In the case of New Line it's highly differentiated and there's a lockout, and in the case of consumer, there are a lot of people who will build branches but not a lot of people who have been building branches and therefore have the benefit of the 150 in the southeast that have been built over the last handful years, coupled with the fresh territory that we have in the southwest to be able to just grind away. Three yards of the cloud of dust, right when you get your first down and four.
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Ibraham Punoala33:02
thank you both
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Operator33:07
Your next question comes from the line of Manan Gfalia with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Manan Gfalia33:17
Morning, Tim. Hey, good morning all. When you think about reinvesting those incremental expense synergies from America, you know, you're also talking about several benefits on the top line that I'm guessing can come in relatively quick order next year. So as you think about the benefit of the revenue side as well, you think about the investments you're making on the AI side, how should we think about the medium-term efficiency ratio? You know, bearing in mind that you also want to keep reinvesting in the business.
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Tim Spence33:52
Yeah, I we feel very good about where we're going to end the year, right? And Brian reinforced it that you know whatever that glide path we are almost at on the ROCE the original target we set for 2027 and then said we could get to in the fourth quarter and we made a huge step from first quarter to second quarter toward the target efficiency ratio. I'll remind everybody seasonally the fourth quarter tends to be our most efficient quarter. So we should do better than the 19 and 53 that we had set for 2027 in the quarter and when you take our guidance and work it through your models I know it'll show down. Our belief is that at the level of profitability we are running at today, maintaining that level of profitability which means showing enough operating leverage to continue to support this sort of 19% plus ROCE, through a little bit of additional operating leverage that that essentially compensates for the roll in of the AOCI into tangible common equity and then driving tangible book value per share growth is the best way for us to generate long-term value for shareholders. So we do intend to accelerate the pace of investments that we make in AI. I'm very proud of our tech and product teams for having shipped all the things that I mentioned earlier because for all the obvious reasons their principal focus is making sure that we deliver a flawless conversion, but there is a lot more we're going to be able to do when we can move out of an environment where the workflow applications here are effectively on a code freeze to drive more efficiency into the business. It's just we have a lot of proven strategies that generate low-cost deposit growth, that generate fee growth, that are a better path for us given our position in the ecosystem than focusing on trying to go from, I'm going to make it up here, but 19% to 19.5% to 20% on the sort of core profitability spectrum.
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Manan Gfalia36:17
Got it. And then maybe separately on Direct Express, you spoke about issuing new cards, adding the 66,000 new beneficiaries. I guess how quickly can that product scale relative to the 3.7 billion in deposits you just mentioned and how are you thinking about the opportunity to expand that program in the years ahead?
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Tim Spence36:40
Yeah. So there sort of in two stages here, right? There's front book, back book. So the front product is live, all new beneficiaries in the federal government that go into the Direct Express program are going on that new platform and that platform will effectively grow at the rate that new beneficiaries who elect not to have their benefits routed to a checking account are added. There then secondarily will be a back book conversion that we will be commencing this year that will scale the new platform but that essentially is moving deposits off of the old platform that America operated onto the new solution that Fifth Third and Fiserv are offering. We are seeing pretty good underlying growth in deposits. Brian, you may want to reference the pace with which deposits are growing if you just look at the Direct Express portfolio in total, but in general we're at the right point. The retirees are a good place to be focused on given the shape of the demographic pyramid in the US and the byproduct of that is I actually think we're going to see pretty nice secular growth tailwinds there.
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Brian Preston37:53
Yeah, and if you were to look back on a multi-year view of this, in 2024 this program averaged closer to $3 billion in balances and as it continues to scale you are sitting at $3.7 billion today. We would expect that kind of growth to continue. When you think of the makeup of this program, which is obviously it's retirees and it's sectors of the economy that we think are going to continue to grow in terms of the unbanked effectively that don't have traditional bank accounts. There are some good demographic trends here that should continue to deliver strong growth from a DDA perspective in this portfolio.
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Manan Gfalia38:32
Great. Thank you.
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Operator38:36
Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Nash with Goldman Sachs. Ryan, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Ryan Nash38:46
Hey Ryan, morning.
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Brian Preston40:44
Um that's a $40 billion opportunity that we think we can achieve over the next better part of five, six, seven years as the network matures out. So we think the tailwinds associated with the deposit franchise are there and as Tim mentioned, what we're excited about is it's not just a single play. We have a very diversified franchise that gives us a lot of abilities to grow in different areas both geographically and from a business perspective, and we've delivered and hopefully you feel like you've seen it in our numbers good outcomes. The consumer franchise continues to deliver and the investments we've made from a branch perspective continue to pay off. When you look at our overall deposit cost, you know, it's a consumer core franchise 116 billion of deposits that are at a 125 total cost of deposits right now. We feel very good about the profitability that that franchise is kicking off. And what you see is, you know, the ability to attract new customers and rate is often part of that. But when you can provide a customer with leading product, great service and convenient locations, we're able to maintain those customers as we price them down over time. And so they're getting a great experience at the Third and we think that business model could continue for some time.
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Ryan Nash41:59
Got it. Um Tim, you guys put a finer point on on loan growth expectations. You know, when I look in the quarter, you saw solid CNI growth. Maybe just expand on what you're seeing in the market, any signs of irrationality or areas you're leaning into versus pulling back and, you know, do you think we could sustain these types of of loan growth rates going forward? Thank you.
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Tim Spence42:22
Yeah, I feel pretty good about our ability to sustain the loan growth pace going forward barring a material change in the macro. Like when you look at the commercial clients that we have, I think confidence is up on a pretty broad basis. It really is not sector focused now. That was based through the quarter on the belief that the situation in the Middle East was de-escalating and also I think the fact that the tariff confusion is settled out. So clearly we have some retrenchment on the Middle Eastern front, but the tariff confusion has settled. A simple example: one of the metal stamping businesses that I had the opportunity to talk to in Michigan had stopped bidding at market rates just given input cost uncertainty and had resumed bidding during the quarter. And I think clients across the board indicate that demand is pretty stable, in some cases actually had been improving. The sectors linked to infrastructure, capital investment in data centers, places where there is real evidence of reshoring activity like automotive where you have foreign OEMs building plants here in the US, is where the business is moving most strongly. The folks that are focused on more value-oriented consumers are probably the places where you've seen more hesitancy. But at least as it relates to us, if you just disaggregate the CNI loan growth, legacy Fifth Third was up by more than 2%. The big driver there is the fact that new quality relationships are running about 20% ahead of where they were in the prior year. And that is informed by the fact that they're about 6% more middle market bankers on the streets than we had a year ago. The legacy Comerica business lines and markets grew CNI loans by about 1% sequentially after having been basically stable or flat for the past three or four years. So there's a nice step forward there. And the verticals in particular, the specialty verticals were the standout. They grew 6%. And the energy and talent of the bankers there is really exciting. I think as we get through the conversion, there's no reason to believe that both teams won't converge around the same growth rate. Good underlying demand attached to secular things more than specific points in the cycle. And just both the added feet on the street on the Fifth Third side and then the continued reacceleration of the rate of growth that Comerica had demonstrated it was capable of prior to the last three or four years, and you have a pretty nice sustained loan growth outlook for the bank.
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Ryan Nash45:29
Thanks for the call, guys.
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Tim Spence45:31
Yeah, thank you.
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Operator45:33
Your next question comes from the line of Erica Narian with UBS. Erica, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Erica Narian45:44
Hi. Um good morning and thank you. So, um, just to make sure that we're taking away the right thing from those responses, Brian, should we assume, um, a mid single digit rate of rate of annualized growth for the second half of the year um, on the deposit side and also was just hoping to put um, to borrow Ryan's words, a finer point on what on your response to deposit cost to Ibraim. you know, if um you you know, obviously, as you pointed out, you did a great job of taking the deposit cost down in the corner, you know, as we progress through the year, what should we expect for deposit cost, assuming no Fed hike? And if we do get that Fed hike, um what kind of beta would we see?
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Brian Preston46:33
Yeah, I think a mid-single digit growth rate is a fair growth rate for us from a long-term perspective. And given that's aligned with what we're trying to do from a loan growth perspective and keeping our balance sheet core deposit funded. From the second half of the year perspective, there's a little bit of deposit seasonality that you'll see. We typically have a little bit of a ramp in the end of the fourth quarter as commercial balances build heading into year end. That's the only thing I would caution you on just to pay attention to normal seasonality on that front. But that is the right kind of core long-term growth rate to think about for us. And there's nothing that causes us to look at what's happening in the second half of the year to think that you should expect anything different. From a cost perspective, we do think that more of the balanced growth, just given where we are from a rate environment perspective, will come in and an interest bearing product. So I do think that you're in a stable to maybe slightly off rate perspective for deposit cost from here on out even if you were in a flat Fed funds world, but we're able to manage through that obviously with continued asset growth as well as the fixed rate asset repricing that continues. And then we would benefit from a balance sheet perspective given our asset sensitivity if we were to see a hike. Obviously it would have an impact on deposit costs from here, but the repricing of the asset side of the balance sheet would outweigh that, which would be a benefit for us from an NII perspective.
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Erica Narian48:00
Thank you. And my second question is some of your peers have started to put a little bit more um detail as they've done more work on some of the deregulatory impacts and I'm wondering if you could share with us um any updated thoughts on um Basel 3 endgame and electing either enhanced risk-based or revised standardized. Additionally, you know, you mentioned Brian, you know, category 1 compliance on LCR at 107%. Um, could you maybe help frame for us, you know, how bulked up your balance sheet is for LCR compliance and liquidity compliance and what it could mean um for your natural margin if we do have LCR reform that would allow you to draw from the dis or count the discount window of liquidity.
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Brian Preston48:51
Yeah, we are exactly where we need to be from a balance sheet perspective from an LCR requirement perspective. And so any LCR relief would create some value from a long-term margin perspective. And the concept there is that you could ultimately hold a smaller security portfolio and in particular a smaller level one allocation, which would be NII accretive and margin accretive. So you know we do feel good that that would be a good outcome. You know it's tough to say at this point what that would look like from a quantification perspective. There's a lot of speculation out there on allowing for credit from a discount window perspective in those calculations, but what we've not really seen at this point is sizing of, you know, what does it look like from a minimum security portfolio size perspective. You know, if you look at our disclosures, we keep a lot of collateral pledged at the discount window. Well more than above what our security portfolio is. So we don't believe we could take our security portfolio to near zero. So it's really going to come down to what those floors look like. From a capital perspective, you know obviously we feel very good about where we are from a Basel 3 endgame perspective on a fully phased in basis. We're above 9 and a half from a CET1 perspective. Taking into account the phase in on the AOCI, we would be north of 10 and a half at this point. So capital is in really good shape. We're having the conversations around whether we would adopt the expanded risk-based calculation approaches, which is about a 10 basis points difference between the standardized approach. So that is an option that we will have in front of us. But we feel like we are in a good position from a capital perspective and we've got some optionality in front of us.
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Erica Narian50:48
Great. Thank you.
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Operator50:52
Your next question comes from the line of Jared Cassidy with RBC Capitals. Jared, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Jared Cassidy51:01
Morning Gerard. Hi Tim. Hi Brian. Um question for you Tim. Obviously you you pointed out that the synergies are coming in ahead of the 850 million a good bit ahead. So obviously Jamie is shaking out more expenses from the trees which is great. The question I have for you and I don't need the number today but when can you tell us about what Darren King is doing to grow revenues? You you laid out the expenses when the deal was announced of course and they're coming through but revenue synergies which you never price into the numbers which is great. Do you think a year from now you guys will be able to quantify or Darren, you know, can show us that gosh, you know, because of the success we've grown revenues X. Now, I know you touched on the mortgages already, residential mortgages, how much you've done, but when do you think you could quantify for us that not only do we get these expense savings, but look at this revenue growth?
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Tim Spence52:05
Yeah, no, great question. I think going into next year. I don't think we have to wait for next year. Like we're tracking all of this stuff in a pretty detailed way. Hence my point earlier about, like I said I think I said roughly 10% of new production exactly 8% of new TM production from Comerica TMOs that are products that America didn't offer previously. It's down to the deal level that we're measuring all these things. I would say the focus will shift when we get past conversion from the sort of job one which is protect what we have and get the expense synergies out to job two which is energize the combined team around the opportunities to drive growth. The other thing maybe that is worth mentioning that I didn't is 99.4% of the customers that Comerica had at the beginning of this year are still clients today. So we're actually running ahead of normalized client attrition. Like we're doing better from an attrition perspective than you normally would in this sort of equation. So the teams have done an incredible job of ensuring that the existing relationships understand why they're better off with the combined company than they would have been with either company being independent. But we've done the product innovation rollouts. We have added specialists in several of the markets. We'll continue to do more of that. And I think as we get into the fourth quarter this year and we're looking forward to next year, we'll give you a view of what we think from a growth perspective is coming from sort of legacy Fifth Third strategies versus what's coming from the application of those strategies to new markets or leveraging Comerica capabilities across the broader Fifth Third platform and we'll just transparently let you see it.
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Jared Cassidy54:17
Very good. Appreciate that color. Um, and then as a followup, it's more of a macro question. It might be kind of difficult to get your arms around the answer, but we all know how important the growth of AI is to this country's economy and it's been very powerful not just with the data centers and I'm not suggesting you guys are making construction loans to build out the data centers, but have you been able to do any work to find out the second derivative of, you know, some of your commercial customers that might be benefiting from the revolution here in AI. And then second, you know, we saw it during the dotcom era when all that fiber was built and it was so overbuilt, much of it went dark and caused problems. And I'm not suggesting we're overbuilding yet for AI. But how do you guys get your arms around the risks with this AI growth to this country and eventually it slows down and some of the second derivative impacts to your bank?
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Tim Spence55:20
Yeah, I mean you know that we worry about that. Given the time that I spend on technology, the one guaranteed rule is that we will misestimate the amount of capacity that's required here because you have a lot of different competitors. You have a nascent market which means you don't have a normal market structure, which means you have more people trying to gain share than there is share to be gained, which by definition means there will be some overbuilding. You know, my own view on this is that there's a possibility that that capacity gets absorbed just over a much longer time frame than people anticipate, but it makes being on the construction financing side of that equation a little bit dicey. And that said, given the composition of the client portfolios that Fifth Third and Comerica have, which tend to be real economy businesses disproportionately, we have lots of relationships with people who are engaged in constructing data centers. I had a chance at one market visit I did out west to meet an HVAC contractor who mentioned that they have a 5-year backlog equating to about $300 million in incremental backlog due to hyperscaler demand. We have clients that we bank that are in the exotic businesses of quarrying aggregate or mining lime that goes into concrete that gets poured into the foundations and otherwise. I don't know that it would be possible for us to do a portfolio level look at the second derivative exposure, but we do that work every time we reunderwrite an individual client. We look at the concentration risk that exists in their revenue composition. We look at stress scenarios as it relates to demand overall as well as idiosyncratic scenarios. And the benefit of banking the people constructing data centers as opposed to making the construction loans for data centers is, to the point you made earlier, there is an underlying business there that given the length of the relationships we have with these clients was doing fine on a regular week basis prior to the data center.
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Jared Cassidy57:49
Great. Thank you. Appreciate it as always.
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Tim Spence57:52
Yeah, absolutely.
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Operator57:55
Your next question comes from the line of Mike Mayo with Wells Fargo Securities. Mike, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Mike Mayo58:04
Hey Mike. Hi. If I could just get a clarification, you've not changed your 850 million expense saving number. Is that correct?
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Tim Spence58:13
No, no. 850 million or more will drop to the bottom line. The 'or more' question will be a function of our ability to drive better value for shareholders by reinvesting into revenue growth or whether we think the environment is such that we're better off just continuing to run a more efficient company.
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Mike Mayo58:37
Okay. And you said you have 99.4% retention of America's commercial customers. Do you have a figure like that for the consumer customers?
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Tim Spence58:47
All right, the consumer franchise is up. It's net up. It's like 102% or something like that of what it was at the beginning of the year. It's essentially flat in Michigan and up 4% in the Southwest markets.
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Mike Mayo59:08
Okay. Um, and then as far as commercial loan growth, um it's okay. Not great. And I know you're more inward focused than you'll be until after the Labor Day conversion. Any thoughts about just the relative growth because this should be a sweet spot for the commercial lending and your Comerica and your commercial lending. So, I don't know. I mean, I got the sense that commercial loan growth was accelerating and maybe it is maybe it isn't but just what's your take? I know you talked some about this but is it accelerating for the industry? Do you expect it to accelerate more for you after Labor Day? Thanks.
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Tim Spence59:55
Yeah, sure. I mean I think that loan growth accelerated, right? And my own view is that there's no reason to believe barring a change in the environment that it will decelerate from here. I thought legacy Fifth Third CNI up more than 2%. I think that compares pretty favorably. Comerica from flat the last three years to up 1% sequentially during a period of time where appropriately what we are asking our teammates to do is to make sure that we take care of existing customers and get them through the migration process and that's all production. We didn't get a lift in utilization quarter to quarter. So there is a nice production trend there. Commercial real estate we were softer than I think I have seen at least thus far from others. We were up half a percent. Many others are up a little bit more than that. I think our general view there as you know is to live in a slightly more conservative place in the ecosystem. We have not been providing back leverage to a lot of the private credit funds that are out there in this market. I think that is the place where we've seen structure and pricing deteriorate and CNI is actually remained pretty consistent. So we've elected not to chase some of the stuff that is either stretched recourse or on LTV or otherwise. And then the other I think if you flip and look at the consumer side of the equation which you didn't ask about but I'll give it to you anyway. You know home equity has been really strong for us. The indirect auto business has been a source of growth the last few years. The market there is as you know is very efficient. Pricing has come in and we sort of reflected that in origination levels but to the extent that pricing or the balance sheet needs changed there's no reason why we couldn't continue to run at the levels that we were running previously. So I don't disagree with you like I would like the whole company to be running at the 2% plus level that Fifth Third did but we'll get there. We're going to get through the conversion. We'll get everybody on the same platforms with all the same products. And I do think at that point you will continue to see an acceleration of the blended combined Fifth Third Comerica loan growth rate.
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Mike Mayo1:02:17
If I could just slip in one last one. I'm still digesting. So your customer retention on the consumer side is 102%. I'm not sure I've heard a figure like that before for a merger. Um, have what's the gross in net of that if you have it, but I appreciate just having that number.
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Tim Spence1:02:35
Uh my understanding is that the growth in net is something like 94 or 95% attrition of customers or sorry, retention of customers that were on the books at the beginning of the year plus call it whatever that is then six to five to 6% top line above it that gets you to the 102 overall.
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Mike Mayo1:02:59
Great. Thank you. So it's a normalized rate of attrition on the legacy book which could be 10 to 12% on an annualized basis coupled with a real kick up in production and on the commercial side of the equation it's 99.4% meaning a half a point 6% of attrition since the beginning of the year and then the new production is a result of us being over 100% on a net basis there. So that would be the comparables to your point.
Great. Thank you.
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Tim Spence1:03:30
Yep.
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Operator1:03:33
Your next question comes from the line of John Pankari with Evercore. John, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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John Pankari1:03:42
Hey, John. Thanks for taking my question. Morning. I'll be quick. Um, just on the capital side, I know you had indicated that you expect to resume buybacks in the second half. Um, so I just wanted if you could help us with the cadence there in terms of how we should think about the pace of buybacks in third and fourth quarter. And then just separately on your market strategy. If you just remind us on the branch approach to the other markets, the Michigan and California markets, I know Michigan you announced some consolidation. Any change in that approach? And then in California, I believe you opened your first Third branch in California. What's the approach there? And that's it. Thanks.
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Tim Spence1:04:20
Yeah, I'll take the branches and then Brian can hit the repurchases. So the unique thing about Michigan considering the size of the branch network that both banks had there, Comerica was heavy in the eastern part of the state, Fifth Third the western and northern part of the state. So there are just over 70 consolidations that will happen in Michigan. They've all been announced. There are no others that are contemplated at this point in time. Many of those locations literally share the same parking lot in the same strip centers. So we're not moving people very far. And the intent at this point in time is to execute those consolidations, get customers settled, and then we will look the way that we do across the rest of the Midwest at on an ongoing basis at where growth pockets are, and we'll add next-gen financial centers there. We'll move branches down the road to the extent that we can get a better pattern otherwise, but I would just for all intents and purposes I would say Comerica customers will have 60% more branches, Fifth Third customers will have 40% more branches, and that's sort of the plan of stasis. California, the branch we have a couple of other de novos that we will add there. They are in the central valley and in places where we have commercial operations where neither Comerica nor Fifth Third had any branches. Beyond that, there really isn't a plan to add or subtract at this point in time. We have 150 to build, I guess 149 now, to build in Texas along with finishing off the Southeast. And as we get into the end of 27 or 28, we're looking forward to what 2029 will bring. That's the point in time where we'll re-evaluate whether there's a different strategy for us on the ground out west.
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Brian Preston1:06:22
And John, on capital, from a pacing perspective, the third quarter will be a smaller quarter than the fourth quarter. Obviously with some more significant deal charges coming again in the third quarter associated with system conversion and the branch closures that Tim mentioned, that's probably a 50 to $100 million range but also dependent on what happens from a loan growth perspective. We saw some nice end period loan growth in the second quarter. We're seeing some good activity, so we do think that obviously that could have an impact from a capital return perspective. And in the fourth quarter we should be back to our more normalized pacing which we view as a two to 300 million a quarter kind of pacing.
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John Pankari1:07:06
Great. Thanks, Brian.
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Operator1:07:10
Your next question comes from the line of Brian Foreign with Truist. Brian, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Brian Foreign1:07:21
Hey, good morning. Uh, I apologize in advance. It's going to be a little bit myopic on the questions, but anytime you get to this point in the year, you know, some people do the game of the first half actuals, the 3Q guide, and then implied 4Q based on the full year. And if you took everything literally at the midpoint, you know, 3Q would be 1 or 2% below consensus, but then 4Q would be maybe 3% above, 2 or 3% above. Um but I'm also cognizant like all these things have ranges. I don't know that consensus really captures the seasonality of the business fully. So just kind of in your mind is the message more like 3Q is a little light but 4Q's better or is the message like hey all these things are plus or minus a percent, you know the bigger picture things are coming in in line.
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Tim Spence1:08:09
Yeah, here I thought you were going to say that questions were myopic because your eyes are blurry after this many bank earnings releases in a single week. I think there's a simpler explanation here which is I am sympathetic to all of you who need to try to model the cadence of expense synergies in an environment where deals close mid-year and where conversions happen in the first week of the last month of a quarter. I honestly when we looked at it just in the anticipation of the question on the call, I think it's a pacing of the expense synergies coming out because while the conversion is happening in the third quarter for all intents and purposes, you're not going to get any real benefit to it because it's not like we're going to send people home the day after Labor Day weekend. We're going to make sure that things are stable, but it's not like we're going to decommission legacy platforms until we have a couple of weeks of water flowing through the pipes. And so that as much as anything changes the trajectory. I think the other element of it just purely on the revenue front is we want people focused on helping clients get through conversion this quarter and in the fourth quarter you're going to see a real pick up in regular way production right across the entire company as opposed to it just being regular way production in unaffected markets. I am very happy with how far out ahead we are on customer communications. We are pretty data driven here. So the TM conversion, the payments conversion is always among the most complicated in any of these businesses and that's an important part of the Comerica franchise. So we have 290 of the 300 most complex commercial payments clients of Comerica already working through a pre-conversion date concierge conversion process, right? And two-thirds of the others already engaged and moving toward that date. That stuff takes work, but it's the way that you stick the landing and preserve the value of what you got. So I don't think it's the sort of conventional hockey stick of the third quarter is seasonally soft because people go away on vacation in August and then you have to pick up activity in the fourth quarter. Although there is always a little bit of that. So much as it just is, it's hard for people to model a deal closing in the middle of the first quarter and then converting in the first week of the last month of the third quarter.
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Brian Preston1:10:58
Yeah. And I would just boil it down to that the message we'd like you to take away is that full year PPNR we're increasing our outlook and this is the first time we've given you the split from 3Q to basically that let you see 3Q to 4Q.
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Brian Foreign1:11:14
That's super helpful. If I could sneak in one other just as we relate back to the kind of $489 in the deal presentation. You've been very helpful on where everything's tracking on all the PPNR inputs. Just as we think about credit, and I know there's always a macro component that you can't control, but when you look at credit outperforming out of the gate, would you kind of feel that's more a moment in time? It's you know the environment is super benign or is there any feeling that like hey if you look at the Fifth Third and Comerica both combined and where the new production opportunities are, you know could this credit outperformance be a little bit more sustained or would you view it more as a short-term thing?
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Tim Spence1:11:55
I think my own view is it'll carry forward, but it's mix driven, right? The Comerica portfolio was more heavily weighted to commercial and to CNI in particular than the Fifth Third portfolio where you have a lot of consumer assets and even though we're a super prime lender, your loss rates on consumer assets are, you know, it's almost structurally higher, right, than they are in your commercial business lines. So we lowered the range for the second half of the year, which obviously reflects a continuation in the immediate term. And my own view is that barring a more fundamental shift in the mix of the portfolio, that you should expect that to carry forward. There's nothing going on there like no outsized recoveries or things like that. There's no meaningful impact to purchase accounting or otherwise that's driving the outlook. Hence the reason you see it carrying forward from there.
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Brian Foreign1:12:56
thank you.
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Operator1:12:59
Your next question comes from the line of Ben Geringer with City Group. Ben, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Ben Geringer1:13:08
Good morning.
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Tim Spence1:13:10
Morning, Ben.
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Ben Geringer1:13:12
In terms of just the branches themselves, obviously the duplicative branches in Michigan, it makes sense that you reduce that and then clearly deploying and building branches in the southeast. So there's a lot of crosscurrents and this isn't a 26 or 27 or even 28 question but would what would you point to in terms of the shareholders to see the successes of those branches other than just market share within the MSA you build them then?
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Tim Spence1:13:44
Sure. So we look at these things on a branch-to-branch basis, right, so that's the easiest way to say you know can you get paid. Jamie Dimon gave a talk that several of us watched not too many months ago now where he talked about the fact that the reason he loves the branches is because you scale them and they make $2 million a year to infinity, and that obviously is the goal, right? You make the capital investment to build a building. You create operating expense and marketing and people to operate that building on an ongoing basis and you build up the book and you get an annuity out of it. So take the southeast. In 2018 when we started the southeast expansion at pace, I think we had like 278 branches and a rounding error to $10 billion in deposits. Today we have 420 plus branches. So plus 150, right, up to important 122 or 23 and a little over $20 billion, like maybe $21 $21.5 billion in deposits. So the branch count has gone up by 60%. Deposits have more than doubled, meaning average deposits per branch have obviously also increased, and even though you have a bunch of new branches there, right? Which means you both have higher market share because you've got more branch count, more deposits across branches, but also better profitability per branch. The profitability in the Southeast today is just under half what it is in the Midwest branches because of the dynamic on average deposits per branch and the fact that the Southeast is continuing to grow. So you've got a tailwind that we are happy to provide detail on from just the continued maturation of what we've built in the southeast already. Plus then the incremental 150 that are coming in the southeast and the incremental 150 that are coming in the southwest. Comerica looks stunningly like the Fifth Third southeast network in 2018. There are about 200 branches there. It's about $6.1 billion in deposits, or at least it was at the time that we closed. So the average deposits per branch in Comerica southwest markets, if you just run the math, are sort of in line with where they were in the southeast for Fifth Third in 2018. Now we learned a lot of lessons along the way. I don't think it's a seven-year journey to get Comerica's southwest markets to look like Fifth Third's southeast markets. We intend to do that much faster, but then you have the same dynamic of the branches that will layer on top. So we'll continue to give you data on de novo performance. But you know, average deposits per branch today is certainly the single best proxy for hitting break even and then achieving that ideal Jamie Dimon $2 million to infinity and beyond sort of run rate.
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Ben Geringer1:17:01
Gotcha. Thank you.
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Operator1:17:05
Your next question comes from the line of Ken Esen with Autonomous Research. Ken, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Tim Spence1:17:15
Hey Ken.
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Ken Esen1:17:16
Uh, thanks. Hey guys. Thanks. I know it's going long. Just one question for me. Um, just Brian, maybe on the um you've talked about the incremental asset sensitivity given the transaction now that we've seen the full quarter and you're kind of getting a better feel for the balance sheet and the rates environment. Just where does that fit relative to your ideal position I guess and where do you sit in terms of either continuing to remix both the swap portfolio and the securities portfolio? Thanks.
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Brian Preston1:17:45
Yeah, we're certainly more asset sensitive than we've historically been. And you can see that in the disclosures in the back of our presentation. But we have done some work to take that down and that included some actions that we took in the security portfolio which was repositioning about $4.5 billion during the quarter. There was some nice entry points that we felt like it made sense to go out and we put on, moved some things from about a one-year duration to a four-year duration. So that was a nice trade as well as the $3 billion of swaps that I mentioned. You can see the details on that in the presentation as well. And that took us just under 10% from an asset sensitivity perspective if you look at our year 2 disclosure. We'd like to continue to make progress. That's something that over time we'd like to get into the mid-single-digit range, but we want to do it in a very measured way just given the volatility that you're seeing in the market right now. We just know how impactful entry points are on some of these investments associated with duration. So good progress on that front but you know certainly still a little bit more asset sensitive than we would normally be and that is, you know, in this environment, we feel comfortable with that position but it is something we'll work on over time.
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Ken Esen1:18:58
All right great thanks.
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Operator1:19:01
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Mccra with KVW. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Chris Mccra1:19:11
Oh, great. Good morning. Um, just on the capital markets uh outlook, um, any comments? Obviously great momentum there, but Kim, on the on the additional savings reinvested into the business, is that one of the areas where you might be putting more dollars to work? And if so, um, I guess where do you think today you are versus potential?
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Tim Spence1:19:31
The preponderance of the sort of investment into the business right now is focused on the consumer deposits. So it's the continued expansion of the branch network plus the direct marketing programs digital and mail that will support that sort of growth. The addition of sales force and I think that has included in the past two, three, four years specialists who are sector experts to support the build out of the M&A advisory practice as an example in the capital markets business but also payments and otherwise and then into the technology. We're big believers in the value of product differentiation in digital world in particular what we're going to be able to do on the AI front. So we are pleased with having the $2 billion fee income platforms. We were pleased to have capital markets crest above $600 million. The investment in the capital market side is really going to be in real estate capital markets next. Right. I think it's appropriately so with as much focus as there's been on Comerica, people are looking past the fact that we closed on the acquisition of a home street mechanics, a correspondent lender, and we're very excited about what we're going to be able to do in turning that into a multi-agency platform and in generating real estate capital market fees on a go forward basis. So there will be some investments there too.
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Chris Mccra1:21:05
All right, great. Thank you.
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Operator1:21:09
There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Matt Curro for closing remarks.
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Matt Hurro1:21:17
Thank you, Alexandra. And thanks everyone for your interest at Fifth Third. Please contact the investor relations department if you have any questions. Operator, you may now disconnect the call.
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Operator1:21:29
This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.