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Amitabh Chaudhry
CEO, Axis Bank

AXIS Bank Q1 FY27 Earnings Conference Call | Concall.in

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About Amitabh Chaudhry

Amitabh Chaudhry, CEO of Axis Bank, discussed the bank's strategic priorities and industry trends in several appearances. He stated that Axis Bank is confident it will reach a net interest margin of 3.8% over the next 12 to 18 months, describing the current NIM of 3.46% as a "cycle bottom." Chaudhry said the bank is focused on increasing its 5% market share in deposits by adding more branches and targeting rural markets. He noted that the bank had tightened credit standards on unsecured lending during a retail cycle but that disbursement growth on retail has since returned. Chaudhry also said the bank does not need equity capital for growth or protection. Chaudhry commented on the banking industry's investment in artificial intelligence, stating that AI presents a "great opportunity" but also brings risks, including cybersecurity. He said that while larger global banks have invested more in AI, Axis Bank is closing the gap and that in the next 6 to 12 months the gap "will be quite low." He asserted that Axis Bank is at the "cutting edge" of AI in the Indian banking system, citing feedback from global AI players. Chaudhry also observed that large institutions are becoming larger at the expense of smaller ones, as smaller banks cannot afford the same level of investment in technology.

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Transcript (99 segments)
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Operator0:00
Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Access Bank conference call to discuss the bank's financial results for the quarter ended as on 30th June 2026. Participation in the conference call is by invitation only. Access Bank reserves the right to block access to any person to whom an invitation has not been sent. Unauthorized dissemination of the contents or the proceeding of the call is strictly prohibited and prior explicit permission and written approval of Access Bank is imperative. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode. There will be an opportunity for you to ask questions at the end of the briefing session. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal the operator by pressing star then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. On behalf of Access Bank, I once again welcome all the participants to the conference call. On the call, we have Mr. Amitabh Chaudhry, MD and CEO, and Mr. Punish Sharma, CFO. I now hand the conference call over to Mr. Amitabh Chaudhry, MD and CEO. Thank you and over to you, sir.
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Amitabh Chaudhry1:08
Thank you, Michelle. We welcome you all to a discussion on Access Bank's financial results for the quarter ended June 2026. We have on the call Subrat Mohanty, Manish Shah, Nirj Gambir and other members of the leadership team too. While the global macroeconomic environment stays fragile and susceptible to geopolitical and trade related uncertainties, intermittent moderation in energy prices and normalization of supply chains are keeping sentiment where it was when we reported our quarter 4 financial year 26 results. India meanwhile continues to stand out as one of the fastest growing major economies. The country has navigated recent geopolitical disruptions with notable resilience underpinned by robust consumption, strong investment activity and the government's sustained focus on infrastructure and capital expenditure. In this favorable yet evolving macro environment, Axis Bank remains steadfast in its commitment to build a stronger and more resilient franchise. We continue to deliver quality growth while further strengthening our balance sheet, improving productivity and deepening customer relevance across businesses. Now, let me talk briefly about the progress we have made on each pillar of our GPS strategy. Starting with growth, our growth momentum remained firmly intact during the quarter as we continue to gain market share across advances and deposits both on a year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter basis. Our total advances grew 19% year-on-year and 2% quarter-on-quarter, within which wholesale grew 38% and retail 8% on a year-on-year basis. Retail disbursement trends continue to sustain and remain encouraging supported by our focus on sourcing quality customers, maintaining underwriting rigor and scaling distribution through effective execution across multiple distribution channels. The franchise continues to deliver strong and diversified growth with digital and analytics serving as key enablers of scale. These capabilities are enhancing sourcing, speeding up credit decisions and improving customer experience while supporting disciplined and scalable growth. Wholesale banking growth remains broad-based driven by sectors benefiting from strong transaction flows. Our relationship-led strategy, continued scaling of mid-corporates and conglomerates and deeper one-access engagement are enabling us to gain wallet share while steadily improving yields and relationship economics. Moving on to deposits, we continue to sustain faster than industry growth as year-on-year on QAB basis our total deposits grew 18%, term deposits grew 21%, CA grew 13%, SA grew 14% and total CASA deposits grew 13%. Sequential momentum in deposits was also strong on a QAB basis with total deposits growing at 6%, CASA growing at 5% and term deposits growing at 7%. FCNRB deposits are attracting strong interest from NRI customers and we see it as a meaningful opportunity to augment our deposit base through our NRI franchise and our proactive outreach to banks across overseas markets. Our cost of funds declined by 35 basis points year-on-year and 2 basis points quarter-on-quarter. Our efforts remain focused on further strengthening the deposit franchise through increased granularization and a more stable liability mix supporting a resilient and well diversified funding base. We continue to see strong momentum in both customer acquisition and engagement. Our new-to-bank franchise is scaling with improving quality and premiumization evidenced by 18% year-on-year increase in NDB average balances. The corporate salary segment continues to be a strong growth driver with 30% year-on-year increase in average balance in salary accounts while the existing to bank salary book also grew at 18% year-on-year reflecting continued strengthening of our corporate salary franchise and customer deepening. Burgundy continues to be our key driver of premiumization with assets under management up 20% year-on-year and 11% quarter-on-quarter including Burgundy Private up 16% year-on-year and 12% quarter-on-quarter. The strength and consistency of our proposition was further recognized with Burgundy Private being honored at PWM Wealthtech Awards 2026. On profitability, our focus has been on building a more sustainable earnings profile driven by disciplined execution, operating leverage and ongoing efficiency gains. Our NIM for quarter 1 financial year 27 at 3.46% is a cycle bottom with the FCNRB deposits. In the near term, we will focus on growth and deployment of the initial liquidity raised through this route. Our cost to assets declined further to 2.2%, down 21 basis points year-on-year and 8 basis points quarter-on-quarter through continued improvement in operational productivity. For the quarter, our consolidated ROA was 1.56% and ROE was 14.52%. On sustainability, we stay focused on quality, balance sheet resilience, building future-ready technology platforms, and investing in people and capabilities to deliver sustainable outcomes at scale. Our GNPA was at 1.28% declining 29 basis points year-on-year, and NNPA was 39 basis points declining 6 basis points year-on-year, while the net credit cost was at 0.63%, down 75 basis points year-on-year. We successfully raised 600 million additional tier 1 and 300 million in senior debt instruments, further strengthening our capital position and funding profile. The AT1 saw interest from high quality long-only investors. The transactions reinforce our credit standing and enhance financial flexibility. We introduced regular updates on our AI transformation journey last quarter reflecting the growing role of AI across the franchise. Please refer to slides 13 and 14 for details on the progress made. Our enterprise AI operating model is designed to systematically embed AI in the functioning of the bank by adopting a capability platform-led approach. The core idea is simple: build capabilities once, govern them centrally and deploy them many times across the enterprise. This will enable us to create reusable AI assets that can be leveraged across businesses, functions, products and customer journeys, driving consistency, speed and scale. Our investments in digital, AI and innovation continue to gain industry recognition. During the quarter, we were named Best Digital Bank at the Financial Express India's Best Bank Awards, won the Best AI-driven Customer Experience Initiative at the 14th Digital Customer Experience Award 2026 and received the Platinum Award at the Infosys Finacle Innovation Awards 2026 for leveraging next generation technologies to drive innovation in corporate banking. These accolades reinforce the progress we are making in building a technology-led customer-centric franchise. At the heart of our strategy continues to be a relentless focus on customers. Through our customer obsession initiative SPARGE, we are leveraging digital capabilities, analytics and AI to simplify journeys, enhance customer service outcomes and build deeper, more meaningful customer relationships. Our digital enablers are now helping consistently enhance customer interactions through AI and CX platforms. AI handled 7.4 lakh queries while 30.9 lakh customer service interactions were enabled through Collidoscope during the quarter. We remain watchful of evolving uncertainties including the potential implications of El Nino on the macro. We are confident in the strength and resilience of the franchise we have built. With a robust balance sheet, disciplined risk culture and a diversified growth engine, we are well positioned to capitalize on opportunities and deliver sustainable growth that outpaces the industry. With that, I will now hand over to Punid to discuss the financial performance for the quarter.
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Punish Sharma8:50
Thank you, Amitabh. Good evening and thank you for joining us. The salient features of the financial performance of the bank for Q1 FY27 across operating performance, capital and liquidity position, asset quality, restructuring and provisioning are as follows. Net interest income at 14,646 crores, year-on-year growth of 8%, 1.3% QoQ growth. Fee at 6,156 crores, year-on-year growth of 7%, granular fee 90% of total fee. Expenses at 9,722 crores, year-on-year growth of 5%, expenses declined sequentially by 7%. We delivered a positive operating jaw on both operating revenue and core operating revenue. Cost to assets at 2.2%, declined 21 basis points year-on-year and 8 basis points QoQ. Operating profit at 11,659 crores, up 16% quarter-on-quarter. Core operating profit at 11,122 crores, year-on-year growth of 10%, QoQ growth of 4.8%. Net credit cost at 0.63%, down 75 basis points year-on-year. In rupee terms, cost was down by 46%. PAT at 7,114 crores, up 23% year-on-year, 1% quarter-on-quarter. GNPA at 1.28%, decline 29 bps year-on-year. Net NPA at 39 basis points, decline 6 basis points year-on-year. Provision cover is healthy at 70%. Standard asset coverage at 1.24%, improved 24 basis points year-on-year. All provisions to GNPA ratio at 161%, improved by 2318 basis points year-on-year. Annualized consolidated ROA at 1.56%, annualized consolidated ROE at 14.52%. Subsidiaries contributed 5 basis points to the consolidated annualized ROA and 36 basis points to the consolidated annualized ROE for the quarter. The bank's CET1 including Q1 FY27 profits stands at 14.64%. We net added 26 basis points of CET1 in the quarter. The bank's provisions aggregating 8,244 crores including standard asset provision created in Q2 FY26 per regulatory guidance have not been reckoned for regulatory capital computation. Consequently, they represent an additional buffer over and above reported capital ratios, translating into an incremental capital cushion of approximately 52 basis points. This reinforces the bank's balance sheet strength and enhances our ability to navigate uncertainty while continuing to support growth and shareholder value. We reiterate we do not need equity capital either for our growth or protection pillar. We raised AT1s aggregating 500 million during the quarter and $100 million post quarter end to date. AT1 raised till quarter end added 34 basis points to overall capital adequacy in the quarter. The fresh AT1 raised till date places us comfortably to call back the existing AT1 on its contracted call date subject to receipt of regulatory approvals. Net interest income and margins. Net interest margin for Q1 FY27 was 3.46%, decline 34 basis points year-on-year and 16 basis points QoQ. The year-on-year NIM decline of 34 basis points can be attributed to 19 basis points due to the full impact of the 125 basis points repo cut in the current quarter versus 25 basis points of repo cut in the same quarter last year, net of benefit of cost of funds due to liability repricing, 16 basis points due to change in balance sheet mix through the last 12 months. The year-on-year net interest income growth was 8%. The difference between the year-on-year net interest income growth of 8% and the year-on-year advances growth of 19% can be attributed to 6% due to full impact of the 125 basis points repo rate cut in the current quarter versus only 25 basis points repo rate cut in same quarter last year net of pricing benefit on liabilities and the balance 5% due to change in balance sheet mix. The QoQ NIM decline of 16 basis points is attributed to 3 basis points due to net interest reversal attributable to agri seasonality in slippages in Q1 versus Q4, 4 basis points due to change in balance sheet mix during the quarter and the remaining 9 basis points due to change in pricing of loans. The cost of funds declined 35 basis points year-on-year and 2 basis points quarter-on-quarter. Lower yielding RIF declined to 5,725 crores year-on-year. RIF comprised 0.41% of our total assets at June 26, half of what they were at June 25. At June 25, we were at 0.84%. Our fee to assets stood at 1.30%. Total wholesale fee grew 18% year-on-year in line with growth in advances reflecting the improvements in the quality of the franchise. Trading income and other income stood at 580 crores, declined 62% year-on-year, mainly on account of us having booked realized gains on government securities and bonds in Q1 FY26. Operating revenue for the quarter stood at 9,722 crores, growing 5% year-on-year and declining 7% sequentially. The year-on-year increase in operating expenses is 420 crores. The increase can be attributed to the following reasons: 38% is linked to volume, 44% to technology and growth related expenses and the remaining to BAU. Our staff cost decreased by 6% year-on-year. The QoQ decline in operating expenses is 744 crores. Of this, 271 crores is due to one-time items and staff cost. Our QoQ period-end headcount declined by 609 in absolute numbers. Operating expenses other than staff were down 9% QoQ largely driven by lower statutory costs and lower volume linked expenses on a sequential basis. Technology and digital expenses constituted 11% of our total operating expenses. We've opened 20 branches in the quarter and 417 branches year-on-year. Net credit cost for the quarter was 279 crores. Annualized net credit cost for the quarter is 63 basis points, declining 75 basis points year-on-year. During Q4 of FY26, the bank had proactively strengthened its balance sheet by voluntarily enhancing the prudent provisioning framework for standard assets based on an assessment of the evolving and unpredictable macroeconomic and geopolitical uncertainties. The bank had created an additional one-time provision of 2001 crores during Q4 FY26. The bank has not drawn down any amount from that provision during Q1 FY27. Hence, the provision remains at 2001 crores at 30th June 2026. This provision continues to be prudent and precautionary in nature and does not reflect any deterioration in asset quality or adverse credit trends in the bank's loan or investment portfolio as on reporting date. The cumulative non-NPA provisions at 30th June stand at 15,680 crores comprising prudent provision for standard assets at 7,130 crores, restructuring provisions at 184 crores, standard asset provisions at higher than regulatory rates of 1,854 crores and additional one-time standard asset provision of 1,231 crores, weak and other asset provisions of 5,326 crores. Moving to growth across our liability and loan franchise. Amitabh has already discussed the growth in loans and deposits. We gained 10 basis points market share in the loan franchise and 20 basis points market share on a year-on-year basis on the deposit franchise. Our loan book is granular and well balanced with retail advances constituting 54% of overall advances, corporate at 34% and CBG at 12%. Please refer slides 17 and 18 for details around the quality of our liabilities franchise and slides around our loan franchise. 74% of our loans are floating rate. 45% of our fixed rate loan book matures in 12 months. Break up of the floating rate loan book by benchmark type and MCLR repricing frequency is set out on slide 9 of our investor presentation. In Q1 FY27, retail disbursements grew 18% year-on-year. Disbursement growth in home loans was 24% year-on-year, vehicle loans was 21% year-on-year, retail agri was 16% year-on-year and personal loans was 23% year-on-year. Moving to performance of our subsidiaries. Detailed performance of our subsidiaries is set out on slides 49 to 56 of the investor presentation. In Q1 FY27, the domestic subsidiaries reported a net profit of 546 crores, growing 21% year-on-year. The return on investment in domestic subsidiaries was approximately 41%. Access Finance assets under finance crossed 50,000 crores, growing 21% year-on-year. Retail plus MSME book constitutes 70% of the total loans of Access Finance. Q1 FY27 PAT grew 29% year-on-year to 244 crores and the capital adequacy ratio stands at 21.56%. Asset quality continues to remain strong with net NPA at 0.39%. Moving to Access AMC, overall quarterly average assets under management grew 10% year-on-year to 3,69,030 crores. Q1 PAT at 334 crores grew 3% year-on-year. Access Securities revenue for Q1 FY27 of 410 crores and Q1 FY27 PAT stood at 96 crores, up 8% year-on-year. Access Capital PAT stood at 65 crores, up 72% year-on-year and we executed eight ECM and three non-ECM deals in Q1 FY27. Moving to asset quality, provisioning and restructuring. The slippage, GNPA, NNPA and PCR ratios of the bank and segmentally for retail, CBG and corporate are provided on slide 42 of our investor presentation. Gross slippages for the quarter were 5,566 crores of which retail was 5,176 crores, CBG 266 crores and our wholesale bank at 124 crores. Our gross slippage ratio for the quarter declined 134 basis points year-on-year. For the quarter, 31% of gross slippages are attributed to linked accounts of borrowers which were standard when classified or have been upgraded in the same quarter. Net slippages for the quarter were 3,440 crores. Net slippages segmentally were 3,204 crores retail, 210 crores CBG and 26 crores in WBCG. Net slippage ratio for the quarter declined 121 basis points year-on-year. Recoveries from written off accounts for the quarter was 961 crores, up 6% year-on-year. Net slippages for the quarter adjusted for recoveries from written off pool was 2,479 crores. Segmentally retail was 2,614 crores, CBG was 136 crores and our wholesale bank was negative 271 crores. In summary, we continue to make progress towards building a stronger and more sustainable franchise. We remain vigilant in monitoring the macroeconomic and geopolitical environment, inflation, liquidity and our cost of funds along with their impact on our businesses. We thank you for your patience and we would be happy to take questions.
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Operator21:44
Thank you very much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin with the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask questions may please press star and one on the touchtone phone. An operator will take your name and announce your turn in the question queue. Participants are requested to use only handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.
The first question is from the line of Chintan from Autonomous. Please go ahead.
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Chintan22:30
Thank you for taking my question. Can I get some color on the 9 basis points of pricing of loans that you gave in the quarter on quarter NIM bridge? What is this exactly? Is this kind of incremental pressure on loan yields that is impacting? And also if we can discuss the nature of these corporate loans - what is the kind of tenor, what is the kind of products that we are writing in? Is this something that reverses once the capital markets become more accessible to the corporates? Some color on that would be helpful. Secondly, on the funding side, it feels like a lot of this corporate loan funding is being driven by wholesale funding. Your LCR retail proportion has come down a bit, CA systematically weaker but a little weaker. Is this kind of matching up of temporary corporate loans with temporary wholesale funding which can go away over time if this demand goes away? Thank you.
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Punish Sharma23:45
Chintan, thank you for your questions. I'll respond to it in parts. The one thing we can definitely tell you is we are lending on the corporate side at positive spreads and at ROEs that we feel comfortable with. Effectively from a funding perspective, as long as we're able to lend at positive spreads, we're happy to undertake that lending. They are meeting our risk thresholds. Second, please do appreciate that 91% of our corporate lending is to A- and above rated corporates. So we are lending to the higher end of the credit spectrum. Over the last five quarters, we haven't slipped down the credit spectrum at all. So the growth is high-quality corporate lending that we are undertaking. We feel comfortable with it. If the opportunity presents itself, we will continue to pursue that strategy. The second part of your question was about the 9 basis points of pricing on loan. My request would be think about it this way. We had roughly a percentage point shift in mix last quarter. We had also called out last quarter that period-end growth was higher than average growth. So there has been a spillover of last quarter's corporate loan pricing impact into the current quarter. We've also roughly had about a percentage point shift of mix in the current quarter. Both of these play through pricing on loans. In general, pricing on loans has been competitive for us as well as the rest of the industry. To your last question on CASA, I think we've held up reasonably well both on period-end CASA as well as average CASA. In fact, the numbers that I see, our QoQ performance on CASA on average has been better than most in the industry. I hope I've covered all of your questions. I'm happy to take a follow-up.
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Chintan25:47
Just two quick follow-ups. You said 4 basis points from balance sheet mix, so I would attribute the corporate mix shift towards that 4 basis points and 9 basis points in pricing of loans. So should that be spread compression? It doesn't sound like that. Just want a clarification on that. And the second point on the corporate volumes: are these temporary in nature? In the sense, are corporates coming to Access Bank because it's better for them for the moment and once bond markets normalize they might go back away? So just trying to understand whether these corporate balances are sticky or they become a headwind to growth as they unwind.
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Vijay26:33
This is Vijay here. So these are across project finance, term loans and working capital. Some of these loans will transition into bonds, but we believe that these loans have been given in case of working capital to take care of their shorter cycles, in case of project finance and term loans for longer terms, and we expect them to remain with us. These are across sectors such as energy, commercial real estate, infra and metals, and we don't expect transition as soon as the bond markets become active, but in the natural course they will transition when the assets mature, and typically that's how we have seen the market behave over several years. Thank you.
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Amitabh Chaudhry27:23
Since you're asking questions on temporary loans, I just want to clarify. We have been in this business for a long period of time and we are doing a combination of loans across working capital, term loans, etc. There is no specific bunch-up of temporary period loans which have been created in this quarter which will somehow run off very quickly. Normal ratios around a typical wholesale franchise - that's what we maintain. Just to clarify.
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Chintan27:53
That is helpful. Thank you for that.
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Operator27:58
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, in order to ensure that the management will be able to address questions from all the participants in the conference, kindly limit your questions to only two per participant. Should you have a follow-up question, please rejoin the queue. We'll take the next question from the line of Maharuk Adja from Tara Capital. Please go ahead.
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Maharuk Adja28:19
Yeah, hi, good evening. My first question is again around NIMs. Your cost of funds seems to have bottomed out. Now, where do NIMs go from here? We had this structural NIM target of 3.8% which we thought could be achieved over maybe 12 to 15 months, if I recall. Where do we stand on that soft guidance? That's my first question. My second question is on OPEX. You've obviously called out and given many details on OPEX, but what would be a normalized run rate for OPEX because you are seeing some productivity gains, you're seeing some reversals? So what would be a normalized level? Thank you.
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Subrat29:17
Yeah, thank you for your question. This is Subrat. On the direction of NIM, we've not changed our structural NIM guidance of 3.80 including the time period that we have mentioned in the past. Like Amitabh mentioned, we think this is the bottom of the cycle in this quarter, which in some ways from our perspective would mean that from here on the effort will be to continue to move towards the structural NIM guidance that we have during the time period that we had suggested earlier. Also mentioned that there is an FCNRB opportunity coming up during this quarter which would mean there might be surplus liquidity which we'll try and deploy in terms of making sure that there is the right way to deploy and get growth on the back of that liquidity as well. On the guidance on cost, the work on efficiency and improvement on productivity has been ongoing over the last four to six quarters. So if you look at where the cost to assets have trended over the last six quarters or so, they have been trending downwards. We don't offer a specific terminal cost to asset ratio guidance. From our perspective, there are opportunities to continue to improve the productivity within the franchise. We have some opportunities on the upside in terms of productivity at the branch level. The technology investments that we have made in the past are bearing fruits. Additional investments are happening in AI. So like we have mentioned in the past, over the next 18 to 24 months we'll continue to be on this path, but no specific guidance on where the cost to assets will eventually land.
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Maharuk Adja31:12
Okay. Thank you. Also just one last thing on your foreign loans, they've grown quite sharply. If you could comment on that as well.
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Company Representative31:27
These are again, as we have earlier said, we've been very selective about both sectors and clients, and wherever we have seen opportunities to participate which meet our internal thresholds and RAROC and also give us an opportunity for reciprocal floats and fee, we will continue to participate. In this case, the opportunity presented in foreign currency loans. So that's what it is.
Just to clarify there on foreign currency loans, this is purely opportunistic. There are clients, there are relationships, sometimes they bunch up in a particular quarter. No specific directional change in terms of how the portfolio mix is going to be. So some of this is purely opportunistic at this point in time.
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Maharuk Adja32:16
Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Operator32:20
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ricken Sha from Capital. Please go ahead.
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Ricken33:18
Recoveries from technical slippages of the last year here on and maybe if I can just add one more question it's on whether would you like to increase stake in Max Financial Services to 30% given RBI has allowed some banks to increase their stake to 30%. Thank you.
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Amitabh Chaudhry33:38
Rick. Thank you for the question. I'd probably answer three and then request Subra to come in on the fourth. Your first question on the bridge back to 380. As part of my opening remarks, I had said that we've lost about 16 basis points due to change in balance sheet mix over the last 12 months. So if you look at that change in balance sheet mix, we have consistently said that we do think we have the ability to recalibrate the balance sheet over a period of time. Retail dispersements have started growing. So that 16 basis points call out was to give you a quasi indication of the actionables that can be undertaken. The balance sheet mix is both segment advances as well as rupee non rupee that was discussed as part of an earlier response. Moving to your second question on opex and what are the one-offs in opex. If you recollect when we reported last quarter, we had taken about a 129 crore charge for provident fund liability given where government security rates were at the end of that quarter. Government security rates were adversely impacted because of the RBI administrative action at quarter end. GSAC rates have eased through quarter 1 and therefore the charge that took place in quarter 1 has in a substantial part ended up giving us a reversal. So Q4 charge has ended up giving us a reversal in Q1. So that's one large item. The second large item is around gratuity and the third item effectively is we drew up variable pay and there was an excess variable pay provision that we drew up. Those are the three items that aggregated to the quantum of the one-off that I have called out for you. In fact we've been transparent and if you look at slide 12 of our investor presentation we've actually given you a Q decline reported as well as normalized for your perusal. Ricken I think your next question was on stake in Max. I'll
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Ricken35:54
Upgrade.
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Amitabh Chaudhry35:55
Okay on upgrades and recoveries RK I think the simple point I would make to you is we've stopped calling out technical versus nontechnical. I think you should draw comfort from the fact that Q3 credit costs and Q1 credit costs are very similar. They both have seasonality. They both have meaningful improvement on recoveries from the technical pool. So I think that should give you comfort. We remain comfortable that slippages attributable to technical criteria will not result in an economic loss for the bank. I'll hand over to Subat for the Max Life question.
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Subrat36:38
On
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Amitabh Chaudhry36:41
Go ahead. Go ahead.
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Punish Sharma36:43
Before Subat you come in on Max Life, Punit, just a clarification on margins out of 35 basis points of potential improvement that we are talking about 15 16 basis points is the balance sheet mix reversal. Where does the balance come from?
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Amitabh Chaudhry37:00
You've got I I'm not going to lay out the entire bridge for you. You've got to let us work through some of these numbers. Effectively, please appreciate that 19 basis points of margin have been lost year on year because of a repo rate cut. So effectively, even if I had held book static, I would have lost 19 basis points of margin. 16 basis points of margin is books mix change as of today. Effectively like we said retail dispersements continue to grow and as retail dispersements and retail growth picks up you'll see some recalibration come through the balance we will find a way to bridge over time. We would not want to give you a exact itemized bridge because that flexibility we'd like to retain with ourselves.
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Ricken37:51
Got it. Fair point.
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Subrat37:55
So reckon on Max Life stake yes there is an opportunity based on the clarifications that RBI came up with in December we are engaging internally we will go through the process internally in terms of weighing the pros and cons of increasing the stake and then go back to the regulator and check if they are open to this idea. As you know in the past we were always keen on having a higher stake at that point in time the regulations didn't allow us to so this particular evaluation will happen and we'll let you know based on some of the internal conversations and board approvals after that we will inform you at the right time.
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Ricken38:45
Got it. Thanks and Punit.
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Operator38:52
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Kunal Sha from City Group. Please go ahead.
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Kunal Sha38:58
Yeah. So when we are talking about in terms of the change in the balance sheet mix do you think it will have impact on the growth as well? Maybe as we try to pull up the margins and maybe if the overall non-rupee proportion is to come up a bit and retail has to grow would we see some pullback on the growth side X of FCNR benefit which will be there in the very near term but otherwise from the current run rate do we see some normalization in the growth as well.
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Amitabh Chaudhry39:34
Kunal, we don't offer outlook on current run rate. I think what we've consistently said is we feel comfortable that we'll grow at industry plus 300. We haven't walked away from the industry plus 300 over the medium term as part of our commentary on the NIM bridge. So we will reiterate the fact that we still believe we will continue to go at industry plus 300 as we find ways to recalibrate margins.
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Kunal Sha40:05
Sure. And in terms of the overall overseas portfolio, so this doesn't include any part in terms of either the FCNR or the leveraging part of it. So that's definitely not there in this entire book. And if you can just highlight in terms of how we are assessing the opportunity out there and how much we would be raising in terms of this entire FCNR window.
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Amitabh Chaudhry40:33
Kunal, thank you. Your question had some affirmative statements which I won't like to confirm or deny. You said the overseas book has no FCNR. We will comment on FCNR growth as part of Q2 when we know the quantum that's been raised. The color of the overseas book. I would request you to look at slide 30 of our investor presentation. I'll just read out the salient features. 98% of that book is rated A minus and above and 64% of the outstanding is to the top 10 conglomerates. So it's a very high quality book that we run on the offshore side.
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Kunal Sha41:16
Okay. So in terms of the quantum raised till now under the FCNR window
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Amitabh Chaudhry41:23
Kunal we're not calling that out yet. Please allow us to report FCNRB numbers once we have concluded quarter 2 we've offered qualitative commentary on what we think we can do on FCNR we believe that we'll clock above our organic market share on FCNR we are not providing numbers on what we've raised till June or what we expect to raise till September.
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Kunal Sha41:51
Sure. Got it. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks and all the best. Yeah.
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Operator41:56
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Juan Ga from Shanfeld. Please go ahead.
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Juan Ga42:08
Hey, thank you for the opportunity. Um, sorry to hop on the margin part. Um you talk about the potential reversal of that 16 basis points mix change in the next in the last one year but that's as a result of 38% wholesale growth and then 8% of retail growth. So to reverse that should we expect you know what how much of that can we reverse because to reverse that we need to grow retail at 3% and the wholesale at 8%. Right? So how much of that mix change back should we expect in the next one year or so?
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Amitabh Chaudhry42:45
See we don't offer very specific details on how the mix change will evolve over the next one year. I think we have made this point consistently that you should look at our retail dispersement growth trends over the last three quarters including this quarter where it has been above at about 18%. That dispersement trend will eventually translate to book growth which is happening gradually. So the work on making sure that this mix change reverses has been on for the last two quarters and we'll see as we go forward the dispersement strength in the retail side will help us towards that but we don't offer specific milestone based numbers on how this will reverse itself over the next year or so.
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Juan Ga43:34
Got it. And just a follow up on the previous participant's question on the nine basis points pricing change impact. Sorry I'm still confused because there's four basis points of mix change and then what's the nine basis points about the Q on Q margin.
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Amitabh Chaudhry43:54
So the four basis points of mix change comprises asset plus liability mix because mix change could also be placements, investments and advances. Please appreciate it could be proportionality between earning assets. It could also be proportionality of earning assets to total balance sheet. So that's the quantum that is sitting in the balance sheet mix. There is a liability mix change that is also sitting in the four basis points of balance sheet mix. Now the nine basis points of pricing change is a full impact of pricing of loans in the last quarter visible on yields in the current quarter. Repricing of contracted loans and given where incremental growth is coming from the incremental loans compared to headline yield are because of the segment to which they're being lent to are being priced lower. So we've seen a price compression across loan categories given market competitive intensity which is sitting in the pricing nine bips and we've seen balance sheet mix change across assets and liabilities that's sitting in the balance sheet exchange. I hope that clarifies.
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Juan Ga45:14
So sorry on the retail dispersement may I have the absolute retail dispersement number because we have a high retail dispersal growth in the 18 20% last three quarters. So the book growth is accelerating but seems like a rather slow pace from 6% to 8% of the three quarters.
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Amitabh Chaudhry45:37
We don't disclose specific productwise dispersement rupee values. I think if I was to give you something for you to look at to corroborate our commentary, if you were to look at slide 22 of our investor presentation and look at year-on-year growth for the current quarter and plot next to it year-on-year growth for each product category that we reported last quarter, in all of the product categories, you would see an improvement in year-on-year growth. That should give you some comfort on the fact that the dispersements growth is translating into book growth with the lag.
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Juan Ga46:18
So, so, so let's assume sorry for example, let's assume that mathematically the dispersal growth maintain at 18 20% retail book right from how long does it take for 8% retail growth to go to at least your average more growth of 17 18% how long does that take just mathematically
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Amitabh Chaudhry46:43
My request is we can take the mathematical questions offline very simply. Simply put, whichever way I'm asked the question, I'm not going to guide product specific growth. The growth is very simply, we have only one headline guidance on growth, which is 300 basis points above industry. I'm happy to answer this question in as much granularity on how you should think about the arithmetic, but as a management team, we regret we will not provide segment specific or product specific growth numbers.
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Juan Ga47:20
Yes. Thank you so much.
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Operator47:22
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Piran Engineer from CLSA. Please go ahead.
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Piran Engineer47:29
Yeah. Hi team. Congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking my question. Just going back to I mean again a mathematical thing. If NIM had declined 16 bips and our assets average assets average interest earning assets whatever grew 3 4%. Then NI should have declined right but it still grew. So what am I missing here?
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Punish Sharma47:56
Could you repeat sorry Pan thank you for the question could you just repeat that again I didn't fully catch the question
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Piran Engineer48:03
So Punit what I'm saying is just mathematically a 16 bit impact on let's call it a 3 and a half% n is 5% right and if your balance sheet average balance sheet whatever grew 3 4% Q the ni should have declined it's 5% sort of profitability pressure versus 3 4% growth net net it should have been a decline. So is this 16 bit you know is there some anomaly here and the actual core compression is lower.
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Punish Sharma48:38
Look, I think Pan the way I would explain that number is effectively if you think about it, my period end advances growth or my period end earning assets growth is not reflective of the average interest earning assets growth that I've had through the quarter. Again, just to give you illustratively reasons why that could happen. I could have run an asset for a large part of the quarter and then I've had a sellown of that asset towards the end of the quarter which would effectively mean that I have earned income on that asset for a period. So let's hypothetically say I booked an asset on day one. I sold the asset on day 88. I would have had income on that asset for 87 days in the quarter but it would not appear in my closing balance. So the broad explanation to your question is while you're seeing a 2% quarter on quarter advances growth the average interest earning book has grown at a much faster pace for us in the quarter that explains the anomaly of the facing.
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Piran Engineer49:52
Got it. So that much faster would it be more like 6 7% actually
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Punish Sharma49:58
It won't translate to 6 7% but it is a multiple of period end deposit growth that you're seeing.
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Piran Engineer50:06
Got it. Got it. And just secondly how much of this nine bips can be offset by lower opex and credit cost because obviously if you're giving it to better quality customers or AAA rated corporates there will be a benefit on the other line items right
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Punish Sharma50:24
So Piran if you I mean rather than giving you outlook on what it would be the simple answer I would offer is I've had a eight basis points cost of assets improvement QoQ versus a nine basis points pricing impact that you've called out. So that's one way to think about it. That may not be very very accurate in its holistic sense, but since you're asking me the pass through through the DuPont, there's nine on pricing, there's eight on cost.
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Piran Engineer50:55
Got it. Got it. And just one question nothing to do with guidance or anything on corporate loans that are linked to say T bill or repo link. How often can you as a bank go back and change the terms and conditions with a borrower? So let's say you've given it to some say Tata Steel at T bill plus 250 bips. A quarter later can you go and say no I now want 250 plus 275 bips. T bill plus 275.
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Vijay51:24
Unless there is a credit event, Vijay yeah we won't be able to reprise it. If there is a repo change we'll be able to replace it. Typically we do at a quarter ends unless there is a credit event we won't be able to do that in general.
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Piran Engineer51:38
Okay. You can't change the spread
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Vijay51:40
In general. Yes.
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Piran Engineer51:43
Got it. Got it. Okay. That's useful. Just lastly sorry you know reporting on a Saturday is this a one-off also like your NIMS or is this steady state now? And I would urge if we could go back to weekday reporting.
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Amitabh Chaudhry51:56
Pan thanks for the suggestion. Honestly I'm not the person who should be answering this question but I think
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Piran Engineer52:03
No but there are others on management on the call so
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Amitabh Chaudhry52:05
Yeah but let me answer that question for you I think we're very clear that we would like to follow a we think it's from a data confidentiality perspective from a risk perspective to the institution and our board we'd like to follow a Saturday format we'd like to report on a market holiday it helps us have a deliberated discussion with our board on results and have more detailed discussions there.
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Piran Engineer52:32
Got it. Got it.
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Amitabh Chaudhry52:33
Yeah.
We've consistent and we've made this change effective Q4 of last year. So you will see us consistently follow the Saturday format going forward.
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Piran Engineer52:45
No, no, I did notice that, but you know, we all thought it was a one-off. And see, it's just that in in the case as is today, y'all are the fourth guy on the call. We've all we are stretching ourselves thin. You know, a lot of foreigners won't dial into the call because it's a Saturday. So, it's also in your best interest in terms of maximum outreach to keep it on a weekday like most other Indian corporates do, like most other global banks do. And you know we get the same thing about data confidentiality from others but our simple point is you know we we trust you all with our money right in our bank accounts 20 lakh crores or whatever and that's safe so you can definitely keep some NIM and slippage numbers safe anyway that's how I think about it and that's honestly how most of us think about it. So we would urge you to go back to weekday reporting if that's possible.
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Amitabh Chaudhry53:41
Pan thank you for the suggestion. We'll consider it but for the moment I think you should assume that it's going to continue to be Saturday. Thank you.
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Piran Engineer53:50
Sure. Sure. Thanks.
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Operator53:54
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Abhishek Mura from HSBC. Please go ahead.
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Abhishek Mura54:04
Hello. Hello. Am I audible? Please proceed sir. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Good evening and thanks for taking my question. Couple of questions first in the NIM outlook that you have given have you accounted for any dilutive effect of whatever FCNR balances that you might raise or that would be over and above the guidance that you've given.
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Amitabh Chaudhry54:35
Sorry Abishek I'm not clear on the question itself. You said we've given an outlook on NIM. I don't think we've given an outlook on NIM.
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Abhishek Mura54:42
FBNR.
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Amitabh Chaudhry54:44
No. So there were two parts to Abishek your question as I understood it. You've indicated that we've given an outlook on NIM and whether FCNR will be dilutive or accretive. I just want to categorically clarify we've not given any outlook on NIM for the near term. We don't provide any outlook on NIM even for on a full fiscal year basis on
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Abhishek Mura55:04
FCNR
Just to I mean the structural NIM guidance that you've given of 3.8 date over a time period. That is what I was referring to. I mean I didn't mean near-term or
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Amitabh Chaudhry55:16
Okay understood your structural name guidance. Yeah. Yeah.
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Abhishek Mura55:22
Uh thank you. That's super helpful.
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Operator55:28
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ankit Bihani from Namura. Please go ahead.
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Ankit Bihani55:36
Yeah. Thank you for the opportunity. So my question is on the investment yield. So last quarter we had seen a sharp decline in the investment yield given that the investment book had grown sharply but this quarter with the investment book declining sequentially naturally your investment yield should have ideally picked up. So even this quarter it has declined. Anything to read on that?
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Amitabh Chaudhry56:08
Hey, thank you for the question. Give me a moment to process whether investment yields have declined or not. We could move to your next question. I'll just come back to you with a response on that question. Before we finish up the call. So yeah, second is on the ECL front if we can tell the one-time impact and what could be the increase or impact on the run rate credit cost run rate going forward.
On ECL, our assessment as of 31st March 2026 balance sheet is that impact on net worth will be marginal and the marginal impact is purely an outcome of the fact that ECL is an exposure standard whereas Iraq is an outstanding standard and therefore unfunded exposures will need a provision plus RBI has prescribed flows. Therefore we do think between these two components which are incremental to Iraq we should see a marginal impact on net worth on transition date. On a go forward rolling impact, effectively our assessment is the industry as a whole including us should see a higher provisions to assets in post or in the first year of transition purely given the way stage one and stage two provisioning will run against the 40 basis points of standard asset provisioning that runs today. So that's how we are thinking about ECL transition. There is a six basis points increase in average earning investments on a QoQ basis is how I am looking at the data. I'd be happy to pick the decline number that you've pointed out separately and have a conversation but just to give the group comfort. When I look at average balance sheet and income, we've seen a six basis points increase in average earning investments QoQ. So happy to work with you on the specific numbers. If you could send us an email with the data you're looking at, we'll collaborate that and send back to you corrections as we see them. So basically I'm looking at the period end figure maybe that is why that
Yes that may be the case because please do appreciate that we would have we have raised a quantum of money and we do get period end flows that would have gotten placed. So we raised our 81. We raised our 81 on 30th June. And the senior fund there.
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Ankit Bihani58:51
Thank you.
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Operator58:53
Thank you ladies and gentlemen. This will be the last question for today from the line of MB Mahes from COC Securities. Please go ahead.
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MB Mahes59:02
Okay. Hi. Just one question between the choices that you have done. If you look at the last let's say about 2 3 quarters you pushed the retail you pushed the corporate loan growth on the argument that the return was slightly better and where the balance sheet is. Just trying to understand it still kind of cost margin compression and you also on the other side argue saying that retail dispersements is going up. Just trying to understand what has changed in the last few quarters that suggests that the risk adjusted return has improved across the various products. So at the end of the day what we see on the ground is that the margins have fallen. Just trying to understand why chased corporate loan book in the last two quarters and why you believe that retail is also now generating similar returns.
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Amitabh Chaudhry59:54
So Mah can you hear me? Yeah I can hear. Okay. So, Mahesh please understand the wholesale strategy when we talk about return we are talking about not only NIM but what are some of the other businesses you're able to generate to these corporates in terms of higher balances trade fees FX etc etc. So you're looking at the overall return not necessarily then obviously for a wholesale a typical wholesale franchise would tend to be on the lower side if you compare it to a lot of classes. Now when we have when our deposit franchise starts doing well and we can raise deposits and retail will take its you know in our own study mirror brick by brick it will take time to ramp up back in terms of growth wholesale is the best way to deploy it. We also believe that we getting great opportunities there and the overall return is meeting our RAROC standard. The RAROC of the wholesale business stands head-to-head with the retail side of the business. So it's not that we cannot or should not look at wholesale as a growth opportunity. Now unexpectedly even FCNR has come as an opportunity and depending on how much money we are able to raise we will see as to how to deploy that FCNR funds whatever we able to raise across our franchise. So I think what we're really saying is that because NIM is such an important question every analyst has been asking about it, we have seen the bottom, we all know the levers, we are working across each of those levers, but at the same time just to ensure that somehow we have to be held against a number we should drop our growth at something which does not make sense to us so we are still standing by what we have said in the past but we are just saying that if there are opportunities, this is the way they are building it. So strategy itself has not changed but yes and you know deposit franchise has done well. We've used the opportunity there to continue to grow our wholesale franchise. We've been able to deploy it at good rates. Overall returns are good and it makes sense to us. Now I'll ask the other team members to add to it if you don't mind. Thank you.
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Vijay1:02:03
Yes to further continue with what Amitab is saying, keeping our book pristine at 91% A minus and better, 87% incrementally on a quarter basis. Just to reiterate, we are not just in the game of lending here and we are not clearly competing on pricing. We're going after sectors where there are economic tailwinds. We're going after clients we are comfortable with and clearly where there are reciprocal flows and fee and where there is one access opportunity across Burgundy private corporate salary you've seen the corporate salary momentum that Amitab referred to as well as investment banking shares so we're looking at composite returns not just lending returns and we are very comfortable because these are clearing for internal RAROC thresholds. So we'll continue to go after opportunities and without dilutive of either risk returns or our credit standards. Thank you.
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MB Mahes1:03:08
Thank you. Vijay just as I just ask one additional question for you. When you look at the ECGS applications that are coming in, can you just give us some color as to what is the nature of the customers that are coming in and how are you entertaining those requests?
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Vijay1:03:36
Yeah, we are so we have put in place the right guardrails around what kind of customers we would like to select for offering the ECGS2. We are seeing that the ECGS scheme is being requested primarily in the MSME space and they are the customers who are coming to us are meeting those criteria. Typically they are in the manufacturing sector or the trading sector and we are processing their applications in line with the regulations and the requirement of our own policy.
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MB Mahes1:04:13
Are you able to quantify how much of ECG's request have come in and you've accepted it?
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Vijay1:04:18
Yes, thanks M. I'll quantify that for you. We've sanctioned about 5,000 crores of EC ECLGs and of that we've dispersed about 2,400 crores as on date.
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MB Mahes1:04:37
Sorry Mahes, was I audible? Yes. Yes, I got the answer. Thank you. Yes. Thank you.
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Operator1:04:44
Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Punit Sharma for closing comments. Thank you and over to you sir.
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Punish Sharma1:04:55
Thank you Michelle. Thank you everyone for taking the time on a Saturday evening. We did hear the pain so we apologize for it. But if there are any questions that remain unanswered on the call please do reach out to our IR team Rahul Lumang or myself. We'll be very happy to take those questions. My apek, my apologies, you got cut off. We'll pick up that question straight up after this call. Handing the call over to Amit.
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Amitabh Chaudhry1:05:24
So, just for everyone this, I think, you know, we do believe that we have done quite well on our deposit franchise. I think one of the few franchises which have delivered positive savings account growth after typically fourth quarter being what it is. You have seen our QAB and MA balances. We believe that our advances are head in the right direction. And frankly I didn't want to say that I think we have a resilient balance sheet there with enough provisions there but I wanted to use the opportunity to actually thank Pan for working with us and you know doing all the human work over the last six years. I know he's created a huge credibility with the system with the analyst community. We are sad to lose him but we do wish him the very best for his career aspirations and I'm confident and sure that he will carry the Axis Bank flag and be an ambassador for Axis going forward. So thank you Punit and thanks everyone for supporting him through his six plus years journey with Axis Bank. Thank you.
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Operator1:06:22
Thank you members of the management. On behalf of Axis Bank we thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.