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H. Culp
Chairman & Chief Executive Officer, General Electric Co

General Electric Company Q2 2026 Earnings Call | Aerospace Backlog Scaling Drives Margin Boost

🎥 Jul 16, 2026 📺 i101 ⏱ 57m
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About H. Culp

In the second quarter of 2026, Culp stated that GE Aerospace raised its full-year guidance, citing the strength of the first half and momentum for the remainder of the year. He described the company's challenge as primarily supply-side, noting that the company had seen nine consecutive quarters of double-digit sequential increases from key suppliers. Culp said the company is focused on collaborative problem-solving with suppliers and making organic and inorganic investments to break bottlenecks. He also noted that the company’s commercial backlog stood at $170 billion and that the installed base is expected to grow at a low- to mid-single-digit rate through the rest of the decade. Earlier in the year, Culp said that the company was reducing its full-year departures outlook due to the conflict in the Middle East, but added that aside from current events, the company would have been discussing an increase to guidance. He stated that spare parts orders were up 30% in the first quarter and later increased to 40% year-over-year. Regarding future technology, Culp said the company believes the open fan architecture will provide efficiency and cost-of-ownership benefits for the next generation of narrow-body aircraft, though he noted it is not yet a product and that investment is needed now to be ready for a market that may be ten to fifteen years away.

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Transcript (48 segments)
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Operator0:02
Good day ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the GE Aerospace second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. My name is Liz and I will be your conference coordinator today. If you experience issues with the webcast slides refreshing or there appears to be delays in the slide advancement, please hit F5 on your keyboard to refresh. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I like to turn the program over to your host for today's conference, BL Shore from the GE Aerospace Investor Relations Team.
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BL Shore0:38
Thanks. Welcome to Gospace quar 2026 joined by ch and CEO Larry and CFO guy many of the statements making forward looking and based on our best view of the world and our businesses as we see them today. As described in our SEC filings and website those elements may change as the world changes. Additionally, Lar will speak to total company and corporate financials and guidance today on a nonap basis. With that, over to Lar, thank you and good morning everyone.
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H. Culp1:17
The GEPACE team continues to execute with discipline and focus with our customers at the center of everything we do. Our 57,000 employees remain committed to our purpose, inventing the future of flight, lifting people up, and bringing them home safely. I like to open by saying CFM International is supporting our customer Ryan and assisting with the investigation into flight 1879. Safety is our top priority at all times and our thoughts are with the passengers, pilots and crew who were on board. The second quarter marked another quarter of significant growth driven by robust commercial services. Overall orders up 17% with those up at least low double digits. Revenue increased 24% with CES up 27% and DPT up 16%. Operating profit grew 18% with both segments up at least high teens and EPS increased 22% and free cash flow grew 43% with conversion over 140%. These results close out an exceptional first half with orders up 49%, revenue up 27%, EPS growing 24% and cash flow increasing 31% with 115% conversion. Flight deck is helping us drive the operational improvements which underpin the significant output increases with the first half commercial services revenue up 32% and total engine deliveries up 31%. We remain focused on advancing what matters most to our customers delivering on demand and our backlog of over billion while investing in both current and next gen technologies to improve time on wing and cost of ownership. Given the strength of our first half and momentum for the remainder of the year, this morning we're raising our 2026 guidance across the board. I like to thank the entire GEPA team and our supplier partners for working so well together to deliver for our customers.
To slide flight deck continues to strengthen our operational capabilities in safety, quality delivery and cost always in that order with demand increasing for the F1 engine at our site in L Massachusetts we used flight deck to reduce overall production 60% saving over 50% over quarter. In I was bra with teamma our largest MRO site where I saw how we used flight deck to reduce 56 final assembly lead time by nearly 50%. Actions like this have improved total shop visit turnaround times by about a week since the end of 2025. And just last week we h three with GKN a top supplier fan cases and other key components to break constraints tied to rate performance we worked collaboratively together to create detailed visual work instructions increase capacity and implement 3D inspection. AI force multiplier flight deck across our turb airil for example recently ran several to improve the demand to simplify and then using AI to automate the process we cut the number of demand signals in processing time by 90% across 190sucing the number of demand signals we send our suppliers helps focus their efforts leading to priority supply material input increasing double digits sequentially and year over year again in the second quarter this supports commercial services revenue up 32% in the first half including record internal shop visit output in the second quarter and first half engine deliveries up 31% including LE engines up 41%. We are also expanding capacity to growing aftermarket demand for LE the installed base expected to more than double between now and last week we celebrated with MTU the grand opening of their new maintenance facility in worth which recently inducted their first LEAP 1 engine. All in we're making meaningful progress with flight deck and while there's always more to do we delivered substantial improvement in the first half and our teams remain focused on meeting customer expectations.
To slide. While the environment remains dynamic aftermarket demand has been resilient first half quarters were roughly flat but we have not observed any changes in customer behavior we expect a gradual modest departure growth in the second half and combined with our commercial services backlog roughly billion we remain well positioned for services growth in 2026 and beyond. Demand continues to be robust relief our fastest growing platform is demonstrated by Coba Airlines recently selecting up to 120 LEAP 1B engines to power their growing fleet of 737 MAX aircraft. In addition priorities for our customers we achieved a major milestone certification for the LEAP 1B durability kit including the upgraded HPT blade this is expected to deliver approximately a twofold improvement in time on wing with full MRO and new cutover expected early next year at the same time we're improving lead turnaround time days overing and reach nearly zero grounded LE powered aircraft due to engine our customers neediable. We are also advancing the future of flight through the NASA electrified power train flight demonstration EPFD project we recently ground tested megawatt class hybrid electric demonstrator. This represents a major milestone in understanding hybrid electric flight by bringing together advanced engines, electrical power systems and controls. We've also expanded our relationship with Beta Technologies who joined the EPFD project last year to advance the modification of the EPFD aircraft. We're looking forward to this plane being part of the flying display at the Farnborough Air Show next week. With defense, we continue to support robust demand for our services and products both domestically and with all partners while advancing next gen technologies. We announced agreement with Turkish aerospace industries to provide F404 engines for his here advanced jet trainer program. NRCP7 engines were selected to power the UK Ministry of Defense's new medium helicopter program. We completed an assembly readiness review for the XA102 adaptive cycle engine. A critical milestone that moves the program from design into assembly test. This builds on the progress of the XA1 and validates that the XA102 engine design manufacturing process and supply chain are progressing and on schedule. And we continue to strengthen our position in the fast growing collaborative combat aircraft or CCA market with our suite of products. Both the G1500 and the GE426 achieved significant milestones to move to preliminary design review, bringing them closer to eventual flight on small and medium CCA respectively. We look forward to sharing more exciting wins and updates at the Poro Air Show next week.
Thank you and good morning everyone. Gospace delivered another strong quarter mark growth across all key metrics. Orders up 17% with CES up 18% and DPT up 12%. Revenue increased 24% marking fifth consecutive quarter of at least 20% growth. CES was up 27% and PPT grew 16%. Operating profit was 2.7 up 18% driven by services and price as expected margin decreased 130 basis points to 21.7% from install engine growth, investment and inflation. EPS was 2 up 22% increased operating profit lower tax rate and redeem count free cash flow was 3 billion up 43% from high earnings a nearly 200 million reduction in working capital and abna including year over year favorability from tariff. Conversion was over 140%. Results built on the strong first quarter with year to date revenue up 27% operating profit up nearly 800 million largely driven by strong growth in commercial services and free cash flow up over billion. Going deeper on 22% EPS growth score increase in operating profit grow 31 or over 85% of the improvement. Growth in profit was partially offset by corporate low income and increase in intercompany elimination. The rest of the EPS growth was driven by lower tax rate and reduction in share count. Tax rate decreased 2 points to 16.7% primarily tax planning and tax legislation. Share count was down 24% 2% previously announced capital allocation. Turning to CES in the second quarter orders grew 18% services were up 22% and up 34% in the first half equipment was up 7% as some orders shift to revenue grew 27% services 26% internal shop revenue grew 25% from high volume including LE internal shops up over 50% and wide body MRO spare sales increased over 25% from improved material availability that helped us fulfill strong customer demand growth. And spinquy which shipments that been delayed to material availability constraint grew 20% sequentially in the second quarter. Work scopes to be favorable for LE and wide body programs and remain stable for CFM56. Equipment revenue grew 30% deliveries up 26% including LE up 24% wide body deliveries up 30% with GX up significant. Operating profit was 2.7 billion up 20% from high services volume and price as expected margins were down 160 basis points to 27.3% from install engine growth including G9X investment and inflation. So CES has delivered a very strong first half with orders growth of over 50% revenue growth of 30% including services up 32% and operating profit of 5 billion up approximately 900 million here over here. In DPT orders increased 12% defense book to was one in the quarter and 1.7 in the first half total backlog was over 30 billion up roughly 5 billion since the start of the year. Revenue grew 16% defense and systems revenue was up 12% driven by growth in both services and equipment with engine deliveries up 7%. Propulsion and technologies grew 23% growth AV arrow. Profit grew 18% and margin up 30 basis points to 13.8% increased volume and price partially offset by mix investment and inflation. In the first half DPT delivered solid results with orders growth of 40% revenue growth of 17% and operating profit of around 900 million up 17%.
Moving to guidance on slide 10. Our first half exceeded expectations and strength into as we are guiding the we are over revenue to grow high teens up from prior outlook of low double digits. Expect CES growth of around 20% up from prior outlook of mid-teens. We now expect commercial services to grow low 20s up from mid teens. Commercial services 2024 given the sustained demand environment and existing delinquencies entering third quarter with more than 95% of spare parts revenue in backlog similar to second quarter engines already off wing and the pipeline of planned in the third quarter exceed visit guide over 40%. This provides us ample visibility into demand to fulfill outlook for 2026. We now expect commercial equipment to grow around 20% up from mid to high with LE deliveries up high from 15% previously and we expect growth of low double digits up to. Operating profit to be a range of 10.55 to 10.75 billion with improvement in both segments. CES operating profit is now expected to be in a range of 10.25 to 10.35 billion up 400 million at the high end of the prior guide. Driven by around elemental services volume partially offset by equipment growth. We expect DPT profit to be the range of 1.6 to 1.7 billion up 50 million at the midpoint versus the prior guide reflecting drop through from higher revenue. Expectations for corporate cost and eliminations remain unchanged at 1.2 to 1.3. Taken together we are raising EPS guidance to a range of $7.65 to $7.85 up 35 cents at the midpoint from the high end of the prior guide. This reflects higher profit combined with a lower tax rate which we now expect to be below 16.5% for the year. We are also raising our free cash flow guidance to 8.9 to 9.1 billion up 650 million from the prior guide high and better working capital performance. Overall 2026 is shaping up to be another strong year with high revenue growth and around 1.5 billion of profit and free cash flow growth building on the momentum the business has had in the last few years. With that back to you. Thanks we proud of the progress we made in the first half it reflects the strength of our leadership positions across commercial and defense and the continued focus of the G Aerospace team to deliver for our customers. Our performance is underpinned by our sustained competitive with the industry largest fleet of 80,000 engines and growing and more than 2.3 billion flight hours we operate across decades long life cycle that unmatched scale keeps us close to our customers making us the partner of choice. Our field experience which enables continuous improvement in time on wing and cost of ownership outcomes our customers value most. We offer the best performing products under wing across narrow body wide body regional and defense supported by deep technology expertise and a growing services network. 3 billion annual R&D investment of over 1 billion world engineering and manufacturing teams are advancing technologies to improve durability efficiency and turnaround times while building additional capabilities for our defense customers through developing innovative technologies and partnering with disruptors to move at pace. Through flight deck our strategy safety quality delivery and cost in that order. Overall we confident in our path ahead the Gospace team is points to deliver exceptional value to our customers and our shareholders. With that go to questions.
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Operator20:56
Before we open the line asked everyone in the to consider your fellow analysts and ask one question we can get to as many people. Can Please open the line.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please press star on your telephone if you wish to withdraw your question or your question has already been answered please star.
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Jeff21:25
Our first question comes from with Jeff. Um good morning Lar R and maybe you could just update us on what you're assuming from a mac standpoint at this point what degree of uncertainty you maintained in the guidance because it seems like the service orders have been very good up 22 34 for the first half and that would support higher than the implied 12% services growth in the second half. Thank you.
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H. Culp21:56
Good morning. There's no question that the environment remains dynamic and you know as we look at where we are as we said in our prepared remarks I think we feel very good about our position here largely on the back of customer behavior which hasn't changed. We've seen service orders continue to be robust. Park aircraft particularly the CFM 56 is actually declined since the beginning of March. Whole highlight of the fact that we've got our MRO footprint really oversubscribed at this point in a significant way. As much as we're pleased with the delivery increases, our spare parts delinquencies are up unfortunately. So I think on the back of that and I don't suspect hear much different in Farnborough we do expect to return to more modest departure growth in the second half we saw relatively flatish performance little bit of the uncertainty that kept us holding the guide 90 days ago. But we think that will begin to return to a more normal environment through the back half going into 27 clearly at a more robust level. So I think all in all as we sit here midyear demand could evolve from here but it's been far more than maybe many of us would have expected. I think the data very much was let's all remember that as we saw in the pandemic the demand will return to more normal conditions probably sooner than we would have otherwise anticipated and potentially at a more pitched level. Therefore, let's continue to be prepared for that. And that's really I think what we're saying in our conversations with our customers that's what we're preparing for not only with respect to the back half of 2026 but as we get ready for 2027.
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Rahul Ghai24:08
Second question on the first half second half as you said that you know very strong first half services both on orders and revenue and we raised our guide to the low 20% growth and now we are expecting services to be up billion year over year this is up about a billion where we were just back in April which is what leads to us improving the CES profit outlook say 400 million from the high end of the prior guide. So you know we beening for linearity for the last several years and we making progress in that regard but even with that there sequential growth from first half to second half of 2026 and on a year over year basis the second half services revenue in our current guide is up low double digit from a very strong second half last year. Keep in mind second half last year was up billion from first half so the comps are getting tougher but as said we feel very comfortable with where we are with the current guide and as said my prepared remarks you know 95% of spare parts are in the backlog for third quarter we have 40% over subscription on shop visits and you know CFM 56 shop visits also as you think about you know the number of shops we expecting um we had the high end of the 23 to 2400 so all in feel very good and it's great that we driving double digit growth for services in the second half and that momentum should carry us into 2027.
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Operator25:53
Our next question will come from miles wolf.
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Miles Wolf25:58
Thanks good morning one one on cash if i could obviously you're out performing that prehandle this year 9 billion on 10 and a billion of operating profit which is obviously much higher than the free cash you have out there for 2028 on even higher operating profit numbers. So the question really is this free cash flow conversion performance should we expect free cash flow to continue to grow as earnings grow from here or are we going to be confed by cash conversion more normalizing and and we should expect free cash flow to maybe stay at this level over the next couple years yes um thank you for the question.
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Rahul Ghai26:38
We right we really pleased how we performed in the second quarter cash flow 3 up 43% year and the best part for all of us was that we were able to reduce our working capital in the quarter even with 24% earning that does not happen easily so lot of hard work by several people to make that happen great performance on receivables really good performance on inventory as well a little bit of help from tariff you know which we got 100 million of refund from in the quarter But in the grand scheme of things that's not extremely material. So when we raise the guide for the year with over 100% conversion in the back half as well now. So and if you think about a guide of call it 650 from where we were at the high end of prior guide I would say about half and half from earnings growth and working capital performance. So we carrying that working capital performance into our year guide as well. So we are performing better and as you said the 9 billion plus for this year is more than what we expected for 2028 just a year ago back in July 2025. really good performance I think we feel good about our working capital performance but and there nothing no huge one time items in nature. We do expect cash flow to grow here with earnings but the conversion should normalize. I think we been saying that as we over the last 12 months conversion should normalize but even with that we expect earnings you know significant cash flow growth as earnings grow.
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Operator28:22
Our next question comes from Set with JP Morgan.
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Set28:28
Thanks very much and good morning. Um I wanted to to ask you know as we think about um where things go from here you talked about the visibility um that you have into the remainder of 26 um but maybe as we think about you know beyond um sort of any indication that the strength this year is a pull forward of anything or any indication that you know the resilience that you're seeing in demand you know maybe gives you a little bit more confidence in the growth potential next year. And then lastly on the supply side, you talked about record shop visits this quarter, you know, being all booked up. To what degree is the is the supply side a governor on services growth as we as we look forward?
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H. Culp29:16
Well, if I take those in in reverse order, I think we've made a tremendous amount of progress on the supply chain side, right? There's no way you have a print like this otherwise thrilled to see not only nine consecutive quarters with double digit increases from our critical suppliers but maybe more importantly the underlying work the deep technical collaboration and joint problem solving that we see under I mention GKN we could have mentioned a number of folks that are really working with us in ways that are materially better than a few years back hope we a better we and that is unlocking unleashing capacity busting bottlenecks that otherwise would constrain us I won recite some of the demand numbers that we've shared but as we think about the back as we think about 27 and frankly beyond it's much more supply side challenge than it is demand not that we would ever take the demand environment for granted but we know despite this morning's news we need to have a bigger better second half that's where our focus there no victory laps here in July today and as we get ready for next year that is very much the mindset I think if we just focus on services for a moment we no longer term that in addition to that backlog that we talked about 170 billion commercially the installed base should continue to grow gradually every year at a low to mid single digit rate that's definitely the way we see things through the decade from both work and price mention that earlier and to the extent that we can continue to make the progress with flight deck we think we're going to reduce that overdue delinquent backlog which is a nice kicker over the next several years not only from a revenue perspective but as Miles earlier question it should help us from a working capital and cash flow perspective so We know with LE becoming a larger part of the installed base eclipsing the CFM56 we know we get the GEnx GX doubling between now or really between 24 and 30 that installed base with our growth platforms is definitely going to grow work scope we believe is a structural tailwind largely as a function of the natural aging of the installed base and we'll get a little bit of price here and there as we move forward. So, I think we said earlier this spring summer no reason 27 should diverge from that double digit commercial services growth medium term outlook even if we go into next year will clearly be a higher drumming off point than we imagined. Again the environment is dynamic we're mindful of that. with our backlog with that framework algorithm in place and just the overall tone we hearing from customers we feel very good about where we are at this point.
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Operator32:32
Our next question comes from John with city.
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John32:38
Hey guys thanks for taking my question uh Larry last quarter you held back raising guidance despite a strong one because of the concerns in in the environment And and I recall you mentioning a number of possible tail risks that were on your mind completely understandable in the moment. Um but now you know with with the benefit of hindsight not only did GE survive but but obviously thrived. Um and ultimately we've got this large guidance revision today. I was hoping you could just spend a moment maybe reflecting on your own learning from the experience elaborating a bit on what you're hearing from customers. structurally under appreciating the resilience of the business and ability to compound value through complex macro backdrops.
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H. Culp33:28
I would never suggest anyone under appreciates what we do in the value of the franchise. I'll leave that to others to make that assessment. There's no doubt I think in our minds that we would play April all over again in the same way that we did. We did not know at that time when the conflict was still fresh. What our customers would do? Perhaps we know more definitively that that lesson from the pandemic that we touched on a few times over the last several months which was certainly in the air Rata that we need to make sure we are prepared for the other side of the uncertainty has really played out right and again lots of different data points here speak to the resiliency of demand I think given the uncertainty just given the headlines that we would have been well served with investors to to get out with early bump in the guide. But here we sit midyear. We know how the market has responded to the uncertainty to the dynamic conditions that are clearly out there. All the while we continue to do what we do right from an execution perspective not taking anything for granted but also knowing that with the backlog with demand remaining robust that we needed to continue to invest we need to continue to procure we need to continue with our flight deck work so think we play it the same way all over again and are thrilled to see the resiliency and demand and expect that that gives us helps give us a little bit of a lens on how the second half is likely to evolve.
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Operator35:39
Our next question comes from David Straus with Wells Fargo.
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David Straus35:46
Thanks. Good morning. Morning David. Good morning. Uh to see if you could just touch on your expectations for uh the leap uh leap shop visit profile from here. Um you know I think over 50% growth uh first half of the year I think you talked about it compounding kind of 25% from here. So if you could just rebusit that and if you could also just touch on you know these durability upgrades, the durability kits, how that's kind of factoring into all of this. Um you know, how long it's going to take you to get through kind of upgrading the existing lead and and how does that influence numbers? Are you effectively pulling for forward work uh today that you might see out in the future with uh with these durability upgrades? Thanks very much.
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Rahul Ghai36:37
So let me let me start and talk little about the benefits that we are seeing from the upgrade. So I think on shop visit as you said we are expecting the shops to go at 25% CAGR from now to 2030 all a function of the installed base that's largely out there and will continue to grow over the next couple of years but most of the engines that we are shipping now are probably not going to come in for a shop visit between now and 2030 so it's largely a function of the installed base that exists in the in the so with that the big change that we are going to see is that external channel is going to continue to grow our external channel has gone from like sub 10% of our overall LE services portfolio to call it mid-teens right now and we expect that to grow to say 30% by the time we get to 2030 so I think that's the transition you going to see here and we seeing the benefit of that as said in my prepared remarks spare parts growth from that channel contributing to our second quarter revenue growth as well. So that will continue to build and all we are doing on our side is continue to invest to build more capacity and we adding more channel partners and the other part is that on the cost side we do expect in our shop cost from two main things one the fact is that we will be leveraging our fixed cost investments more as volume continues to grow and then the second part is that we are working really hard on repair repair for this year is more than 20% so we investing in repairs to bring that cost down because as you know repairs help both with the turnaround time and the cost so and then obviously the growth of external channel helps a little bit with mix so that's kind of the trajectory that we are seeing between now and 2030.
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H. Culp38:40
David I would just may step back on the durability kit for a moment whether it be at ITA few weeks ago whether it's a recent customer survey that we've done I think we're encouraged some of the feedback we getting internally we said one of our priorities for the year is to be more customer driven really see ourselves as our customers do that sounds obvious but it really helped us I think see some areas of opportunity certainly improving durability and time on wing front and center I think from a LEAP 1A perspective we now have over 40% of the fleet equipped with the durability kit and the performance has been quite good we talked about this being the unlock for a doubling of time on wing putting us in line with the CFM56 really encouraged in that regard now we have certification for the LEAP 1B durability kit so that will give us the opportunity through the back of this year to really work through the industrialization and give us a full cutover both with respect to the aftermarket and new really in 2027. It really won't be something that will trigger an acceleration of work. I think we've talked in the past that the fleet retrofits really will be a multi-year effort. Those engines are due to come in for their first shop visit on a relatively predictable schedule. I don't think you're going to see many engines come in early for the durability kit. So really in the early 2030s until we can look at both the LEAP 1A and LEAP 1B fleets as being fully retrofit. But again certification a big step will work through the industrialization encouraged by the 1A field performance and over the next several years will I think be in a much better place in this regard.
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Operator40:47
Our next question comes from Ronal with B of America.
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Ronal40:53
Good morning. I was wondering if you both mentioned workscope in your comments about the future growth in the business. L you more what what you're seeing there and what you expect to see in workscope um and then follow.
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H. Culp41:14
Sure well again in many respects being on the wide body side being on the narrow body side it really is a function of the natural aging of the installed base you think about the growth platforms on whether it the LE the GEnx we're really moving from that quick turn that early check up check in to the first performance restoration shop visit with some of the older platforms you look at the GE90 for example 70% of that installed base has yet to see shop visit which has a significant step up in workscope so we have I think real direct visibility we obviously need to plan our own capacity airlines need to work through the removals and any third party work that may be required I think that is really why we talk about this now when you look at the CFM56 even obviously the legacy narrow platform it's still a relatively young fleet and we argue with a lot of life left in it you know there fewer long term service agreements on those engines than we would see in the wide body segment But 30% of that fleet hasn't seen the first shop visit. 23rds haven't even seen the second shop visit. So we think about CFM56 as the older platform it is. But as we work through the next several years I think we'll see those engines come back and again that structural support that tailwind will be helpful.
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Rahul Ghai43:01
And run just one maybe one additional comment on CFM 56 on CFM 56 as we said in our prepared remarks the work scopes continue to be stable and the growth largely is coming from you know better volume better price and higher material availability so the dollar per shop that is getting better um but because it's not driven by increase in work scopes but the fact is that we are able to fulfill some of those heavier work scopes that we could not finish earlier. So the material availability is what driving the growth CFM56 in a big way. But overall CFM 56 scopes should remain stable from now to 28 29 because the used material in the market the retirements are low and a lot of the engines that are coming in now need life limited part upgrades as well. So that's what we see on CFM56.
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Ronal43:57
A quick follow you gave us a little teaser about about Farnborough and uh the EPFD aircraft how you thinking about hybrid electric and and what it could mean for GE.
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H. Culp44:10
Well teaser is the teaser Ron and if I answer that question it's no longer a teaser I think you you you know as well as anybody that as much as we talk about open as one of the critical building blocks of the RISE technology development program hybrid electric is one of those four key pillars. I think on the defense side the same thing applies and that's very much the reason for the investment the collaboration with Beta right the turbogenerator program we think has a real fit with a number of defense applications that we can work on together. So more to come over the weekend and early next week but I think both on the commercial and on the defense side you're going to see electrification hybrid electric being a more important part of our electrical portfolio technology portfolio as we move forward. See you there.
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Operator45:14
Our next question comes from Scot with research.
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Scot45:19
And quick financial pressure that airlines are from the higher prices that in any way impact your pricing strategy on CFM56 GE90 or any of the legacy engine programs?
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Rahul Ghai45:34
What we know recognize that I think at the same time having several you know the airlines have also recognized a lot of price so I think the overall I think you're closer than I am but the fact is what we have seen is that the airlines are kind of largely holding the profitability level through this up pricing but the way we think for our own pricing is that we make significant investments and we add a lot of capability to our customers and we want to be rewarded that so the environment we are in at the same time we are facing inflationary headwinds as well so broadly speaking our pricing approach or on spare parts catalog for this year is going to be consistent with what we did last year so that's kind of our approach for 2026 and then obviously longer term we continue to get incremental pricing as we kind of moving away from those initial launch phases of LEAP GEnx pricing and the dollar per shop was on those platforms has grown over the years that we discussed previously and that higher price shop will start showing up in our revenue book starting 2028 29 and that obviously helps us get lead back to CFM 56 levels by 2030.
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Operator46:55
Our next question comes from chr with Stanley.
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chr47:01
Good morning um Larry BL it seems like peak pain from leak durability issues and the post covid supply chain and labor constraints are behind you and we're seeing this as throughput has improved meaningfully as these operational headwinds continue to ease how should we think about incremental margins from this higher throughput and productivity especially if it seems like the shape of that shop visit continued to be strong are there offsets we should keep in mind or do you have a very strong line of to a greater than 30% margin.
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Rahul Ghai47:39
Um chr thanks for the question let me start and I'll see if wants to add anything here overall as you think about our margin trajectory you know our what we saw here in the second quarter what we experiencing for 2026 is very consistent with whatever we've been talking about we've got three large issues on margin that we are working our way through one really strong install engine growth which is absolutely needed given the demand that's out there also feeds the installed base that Larry spoke a few minutes earlier about what drives the long term services growth right so but strong install engine growth both last year this year not expect that to continue LEAP services as you know as that platform broke even in 2024 on the services side gradually moving up margins are getting better this year both in the first half and expecting full year margin expansion only but overall we expect you know still below overall CES service margins and that is putting a little bit of pressure on our margins we expect LEAP services margins to be in line with our total services portfolio by the time we get to 2028 so that's kind of the second issue we dealing with and the third and perhaps the biggest is G9X initial units highest cost units and those are getting those out last year more this year that volume and as previously said we expect those losses to peak by the time we get into 2028 and beyond 28 we should see both losses come down and therefore the margins get better as well so those are three is nothing structural that is causing us to have this issue it is all timing but even with all these issues that we dealing with our margin of the total company level are largely flat and that is because our services portfolio continues to be the biggest part of the portfolio the highest margin and price the highest dollar growth so as those headwinds ease the inherent mix advantage that we have in our business continues so overall both for CES and for total company we would expect margin expansion in 28 and beyond.
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Operator49:57
Our next question comes Herbert with RBC Markets.
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Herbert50:03
Yeah. Hi, good morning. Um, maybe Mary, you mentioned recently being at the general meeting or conversations there and I think either in your prepared remarks or in the press release you mentioned cost of ownership. One of the items we hear most from airlines is the new generation cost of ownership for the engines is is much higher than before and in some ways may be almost not sustainable to their legacy operating models. How do you think about the airlines and their ability to absorb these costs and and obviously continue to pay for the technology that you're investing in? Is this an area that that you think maybe needs to be addressed in some form?
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H. Culp50:42
There's no there's no question right whether it be cost ownership whether be time on wing we we've heard those concerns loud and clear I think what I was encouraged by and also some of the recent customer feedback that we got is I think people see us here in the short term doing all that we can to support them. We've got LEAP AOGs, aircraft on the ground down to near zero at the moment. Despite the fact that the durability kit is not fully installed. And we're doing that through a combination of making sure we've got adequate spare engine coverage in the field. reducing the turnaround times. I mention that as well in our in our shops and everything that we're doing is to make sure that we are avoiding having that asset in a non-revenue situation. longer term there's no question that customers love the engine they love the fuel efficiency and what they see in LEAP i think the order book is a point in that regard but we need to make sure that in addition to those short term measures that we are both the LEAP 1A and the LEAP 1B getting that durability kit in place supporting the retrofit of the installed base as quickly as we can so that the issues that you referenced become a thing of the past as soon as possible. So not in any way declaring victory here. We understand where our customers are in this regard but again I think we're encouraged by the state of play and the tone today. Much better I would submit than it was a year ago. But unfinished business.
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Operator52:36
Our next question comes from with KD Securities.
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Analyst52:42
Yes, thanks. Good morning, guys. I was hoping you could uh help square the second quarter services go out of 22% with the intercs about, you know, spare orders of 40 through the first two months. I know that's about 40% of the of the uh service business, but if you could just talk to us about what happened in June and kind of the the components within service orders, you know, spares, LPSA and the.
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Rahul Ghai53:15
Thanks Yeah, as you said you know SP make up about 40% of our total revenue so those we were talking about square growth rate of 40% mid and there been some normalization in spare parts orders in the last couple of weeks from a very high level you know those are exceptional results and kind of honestly unsustainable levels at the first part of the you know the end of the first quarter start of the second quarter so we expected some normalization and that started to happen you know we saw some normalization here but overall listen first half service orders are in the 34% range and that you know 34% for first half this year is actually acceleration from what we saw in first half of last year on a year over year basis and even second half of last year so we seen sequential growth continue so I think the momentum is very strong obviously we spoke about the delinquency being up even with the 34% growth in spare parts orders for the first half and delinquency is up you know 20% so the demand is there we try to meet that demand But overall I think you feel very comfortable with the with the outlook.
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H. Culp54:30
Anything you want add? No, I mean I I think I think you said it right. We do not have a demand problem. We touched on that a number of times through the course of the call. 170 billion of services backlog CFM 56 retirements low. Our shop visit outlook probably trending now through the high end of that 23 to 2400 range this year and next. We mentioned the fact that we're oversubscribed here in 26 from an internal shop visit perspective. So it's largely going to be about continuing the progress and the real progress I think we've seen here in the first half with this chain. And that is very much the order of the day we get ready for second half 2027.
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Operator55:13
We have time for one last question. This question will come from the line of Robert Stard with vertical research.
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Robert Stard55:23
Than much about the me just quick question for you. I was sorry if you give us an update on the spare engine ratio uh in the quarter and whether you're seeing any change in customer buying patterns as you roll out these durability improvements on the LEAP.
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Rahul Ghai55:46
On on spares overall listen we are seeing some normalization but the number of spare engines that we are shipping they continue to grow up so they continue to grow so it's not the spare engine ratios coming down just given our growth in install engine shipments but the number of spares that we deliver here in the first half they've gone up so that's what we are expecting but overall you know we are kind of in the low double digit range for for LEAP life of program and that's very close to 10 to 12% that we expect at maturity so expecting this gradual normalization to continue into 2027 but we get to the point where kind of at the run rate level by the time we exit the year it should be at the run rate level.
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H. Culp56:40
Thank you it may be just in closing our priorities remain clear deliver for our customers improve time on wing and lower cost of ownership flight deck is helping us turn those priorities into measurable results we have more to do but are confident in our path ahead in long term value creation.