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Chairman & Chief Executive Officer, Msci Inc

MSCI Q2 2026 Earnings Call | Adjusted EPS Jumps 18.5% on Strong Recurring Subscription Sales

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About Henry Fernandez

Henry Fernandez, Chairman and CEO of MSCI, discussed the company's second quarter 2026 results on a July 23 earnings call, reporting an 18.5% increase in adjusted EPS driven by strong recurring subscription sales. Fernandez stated that MSCI is "not a company that makes or break every quarter" but instead focuses on "compounding growth year in year out." He noted that the company's sales pipeline appears strong, including some large potential deals in the second half of the year, and said that AI is enabling MSCI to "move even faster in building new products" and strengthening its role in global investing. In a June podcast interview, Fernandez reflected on his leadership philosophy and career. He described himself as a contrarian who expands during downturns, stating, "I expand when things are bad" and "a crisis is a terrible thing to waste." Fernandez advised taking "more smart risks," saying that while he has taken significant risks that paid off, he would have done better by taking even more calculated ones. He also described envisioning MSCI's ten-year future as part of his "tenure corporate strategy," including the company's size, clients, products, and returns to capital providers.

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Transcript (71 segments)
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Operator0:03
Good day ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the MSCI second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. As a reminder this call is being recorded. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session where participants are requested to ask one question at a time, then add themselves back to the queue for any additional questions. We will have further instructions for you later on. I would now like to turn the call over to Jeremy Yulan, head of investor relations and treasurers. You may begin.
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Jeremy Yulan0:44
Thank you. Good day and welcome to the MSCI second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release announcing our results for the second quarter 2026. This press release along with an earnings presentation are available on our website msci.com under the investor relations tab. Let me remind you that this call contains forward-looking statements which are governed by the language on the second slide of the presentation. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements which speak only as the date on which they are made, are based on current expectations and current economic conditions, and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the results anticipated in these forward-looking statements. For a discussion of additional risks and uncertainties, please see the risk factors and forward-looking statements disclaimer in our most recent Form 10-K and in our other SEC filings. During today's call, in addition to results presented on the basis of US GAAP, we also refer to non-GAAP measures. You'll find the reconciliation of our non-GAAP measures to the equivalent GAAP measures in the appendix of the presentation. We will also discuss operating metrics such as run rate and retention rate. Important information regarding our use of operating metrics such as run rate and retention rate are available in the earnings presentation. On the call today are Henry Fernandez, our chairman and CEO, and Andy Wishman, our chief financial officer. With that, let me now turn the call over to Henry Fernandez. Henry,
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Henry Fernandez2:25
Thank you, Jeremy. Good day, everyone, and thank you all for joining us. In the second quarter, MSCI delivered very strong financial results along with an acceleration in run rate growth in both index and private assets, our two key engines of growth in the company. We also saw strength in recurring net new sales across client segments and geographies despite continued challenges in sustainability. Meanwhile, record ETF and non-ETF AUM balances in products linked to MSCI indices helped us achieve our best ever asset base run rate. MSCI is building momentum in the second half of 2026 with a strong pipeline of opportunities and exciting AI-fueled innovation. AI is enabling MSCI to move even faster in building new products, enhancing our existing solutions, and strengthening our foundational mission-critical role in global investing and the rapidly growing ecosystem around our solutions. MSCI's Q2 financial metrics included organic revenue growth of over 12%, adjusted EPS growth of nearly 19%, and adjusted EBITDA growth of 14%. We further demonstrated our commitment to driving attractive shareholder returns and our confidence in MSCI by repurchasing $147 million of MSCI shares at an average price of about $558 per share during the quarter and through yesterday. Our Q2 operating metrics included total run rate growth of 12% fueled by ABF run rate of $948 million growing 25%. This reflected record AUM levels in both ETF and non-ETF products linked to MSCI indices, supported by another quarter of solid inflows of nearly $40 billion in ETFs linked to MSCI indices. Over the past 15 months, total ETFs AUM linked to MSCI indices has grown by more than $1 trillion.
The incredible scale of MSCI's ABF franchise and the recent volumes of inflows into products linked to MSCI indices is the ultimate endorsement of trust in our IP, research, and standards. Turning back to our Q2 performance, MSCI achieved organic subscription run rate growth of over 8% with a retention rate of over 95%. This growth is enabled by our success in scaling our footprint across key client segments among traders and hedge funds, a category that collectively includes market makers, hedge funds, broker dealers, and exchanges. MSCI delivered subscription run rate growth of 15% among hedge funds specifically. We posted our best quarter on record with 19% subscription run rate growth and nearly $15 million in recurring new sales and recurring net new sales for a growth of 75%, including three separate seven-figure deals in index analytics. For example, MSCI won a seven-figure index deal with one of the world's largest multi-strategy hedge funds covering our ETF-linked and non-ETF-linked custom index modules along with our constituent AUM packages. All told, we more than tripled our index recurring net new sales with hedge funds from a year earlier, reaching $8.6 million in total. These results highlight four overlapping trends in the segment of traders and hedge funds for us. First, MSCI's indices are becoming increasingly embedded in the core trading and liquidity infrastructure used by active and passive investors alike. Second, the growth of systematic and quantitative investing has contributed to rising demand for our index content. Third, as traders and hedge funds have expanded their role in global investing, MSCI has gained new opportunities to make our index franchise more diversified and resilient. And fourth, as clients demand faster, more specialized indices and structural products and derivatives in larger volumes, AI is helping us accelerate our index production and deliver customization at scale.
Shifting from traders and hedge funds to asset owners, we delivered 9% subscription run rate growth along with our best Q2 on record for recurring net new sales at $8.4 million, growing 43%. For example, one of the world's largest pension funds, public pension funds, signed a major new agreement for MSCI's private capital indices and expanded access to our private capital intel solution. We also completed a seven-figure deal with a large sovereign wealth fund for our total portfolio solution which includes private assets and analytics. Among asset managers, we posted 6% organic subscription run rate growth along with 9% recurring net new sales growth. This includes a large deal with one of the world's largest asset managers for our enterprise risk and performance tools to support their ongoing initiatives to incorporate factors and enhance their risk reporting across asset classes. In addition, we continue making steady progress with our ETF and other tradable product solutions for active managers. During the quarter, we signed a handful of clients to support their launch of active ETF strategies leveraging MSCI's universe research and IP. Overall, some of the biggest themes of Q2 included the rapidly expanding ecosystem around MSCI indices, our momentum in private assets, and our rapid pace of innovation as enabled by our AI transformation and laser-targeted acquisitions to unlock additional layers of growth.
Turning more specifically to our product clients in index, we delivered 41% growth in recurring net new sales, 17% growth in total run rate, more than 11% growth in subscription run rate, and a retention rate of more than 97%. In private assets, MSCI achieved 57% recurring net new sales growth with more and more pension funds and sovereign wealth funds embracing our total portfolio solutions. Earlier this month, we announced a new strategic partnership with UBS that will extend the reach of our private assets solutions and enable wealth managers to better connect high net worth clients with GP opportunities while promoting greater transparency for the entire investment ecosystem. By combining MSCI's independent data, analytics, models, and AI-powered platforms with UBS's global client insights and expertise in alternative investments, we can help make private markets more understandable, more accessible, and enable stronger connectivities between GPs and LPs and the wealth channel. This private asset platform for wealth channels is only one example of how we are using AI to improve our solutions and the client experience. We already have over 1,000 clients using Index AI Insights, which we just launched in February. Meanwhile, hundreds of companies and end users are now accessing our Total Plan Manager and Private Capital Intel solutions through their preferred AI models. Innovation remains the lifeblood of MSCI's product development, but we're also expanding our capability through highly strategic acquisitions. Last month, for example, we announced that MSCI would acquire First Street, a leading provider of physics-based climate risk data and analytics, enabling physical risk assessment across over 2 billion building infrastructures. Combining our respective tools will help us deliver the insights clients need as physical risk becomes a more immediate priority.
We're also addressing the broader category of emerging risks along with issues such as energy access, tariffs, supply chains, and AI. Much of our product innovation in sustainability and climate is now focused on these emerging risks which have become increasingly significant to investors. At the same time, MSCI's work in climate is separate and distinct from our work in sustainability, as we are seeing the opportunities there. Sustainability faces persisting market challenges and we do not expect that to change in the near future. Even still, MSCI remains the provider of choice in this industry and our sustainability tools continue to help us in other business areas, most notably in index. There are now close to $1.3 trillion in index fund assets benchmarked to MSCI sustainability and climate indices, with over one-third of those assets benchmarked to our climate indices. MSCI also took several other steps to advance our AI transformation. In Q1, we brought into the firm DH Pupa from Goldman Sachs to serve as our new chief data officer and global head of operations. In Q2, we welcomed Kashi Kakarla from Intuit as our new chief technology officer and head of product engineering. And we announced that Kashi will lead the creation of a new MSCI office in Silicon Valley focused on AI product engineering and technology. Given his background, Kashi is the perfect leader to help us maximize the benefits of AI across client segments, product lines, and asset classes. We have also established a technology and data committee of our board of directors. Looking ahead, we remain confident in our pipeline, in our resource allocation, and in our ability to leverage AI. MSCI plays a key role in virtually every stage of the global investment process, and we are well positioned to seize new opportunities for growth. And with that, let me turn things over to Andy.
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Andy Wishman17:52
Thank you, Henry. And hi, everyone. We're excited to see the large pipeline and strong momentum in key growth areas across the business with further accelerations in our index and private asset segments. As Henry mentioned, we have had several large client wins that reaffirm the growing ecosystem around our frameworks and solutions. Index subscription run rate growth accelerated to over 11% driven by a strong quarter for recurring net new subscription sales of over $28 million, which was up nearly 41% year-over-year. This reflected some large deals with traders and hedge funds across numerous modules including our custom index modules. These helped power custom index organic subscription run rate growth to 23% excluding contributions from the Compass acquisition, and the retention rate among hedge funds within our index product line was in line with the overall index retention rate at more than 97%. Additionally, we saw another quarter of very strong growth in asset-based fees with the ABF run rate reaching nearly $950 million and growing 25% year-over-year. This growth was fueled by close to $40 billion of cash inflows in the quarter, driving AUM in ETFs linked to our indexes up to more than $2.8 trillion. The asset growth and cash inflows predominantly occurred in clients' products linked to our developed markets ex-US and all country indexes, some of which carry lower fees. Within analytics, we had organic subscription run rate growth of 7% driven by demand for our factor content and factor solutions where we continue to innovate rapidly. We are also seeing steadily growing demand for multi-asset class total portfolio solutions including for front office use cases. Analytics organic revenue growth was 7%, tracking with run rate growth. In private capital solutions, subscription run rate growth accelerated to over 16%. During the quarter, we had solid traction across existing solutions like our transparency, private capital intel, and total plan offerings. We also see growing demand with new offerings like our data platform and our asset and deal level metrics. The acceleration is supported by both our deep private asset insights and our strong multi-asset class total portfolio capabilities. Additionally, we're seeing success with Vantager, having already closed a few sales of our diligence solutions offering in real assets. Organic subscription run rate growth accelerated modestly as we benefited from recent product and service enhancements. And we won a large deal to be the exclusive provider to a large property technology firm that will leverage RCA content and our global index intel offering delivered through Snowflake. In the sustainability and climate reportable segment, we drove nearly $6 million of new recurring sales in sustainability in Q2 and over $3 million of new recurring sales in climate. However, cancels, particularly in the Americas, were a significant headwind as clients are right-sizing their sustainability spend. As Henry mentioned, we are capturing share gains in a consolidating market and are strongly positioned from a competitive standpoint based on our trusted reputation for quality, depth, and breadth of coverage, as well as the broad suite of interoperable solutions that we offer. Meanwhile, in climate, run rate growth across MSCI product lines was nearly 12%.
And we are seeing significant demand for physical risk solutions, which are increasingly woven into the investment process. In the quarter, we won several physical risk deals, including a large deal for our geospatial and asset location solution with a European bank. And MSCI's announced acquisition of First Street, a company which has developed truly unique climate forecasting models, enables us to capture the increasing demand for physical risk and broader climate solutions across a wider range of client segments and use cases. Upon the close of the acquisition in Q3, we would expect First Street to add about $10 million of subscription run rate to the S&C reporting segment. Between the significant emerging opportunities and the pressure on parts of the sustainability franchise, we expect recurring net new sales to be roughly zero to slightly negative for the combined sustainability and climate reporting segment across the next two quarters. As always, we remain intensely focused on driving strong capital returns to shareholders, and we will continue driving value creation through capital allocation as we have done year-to-date between our disciplined repurchases and acquisitions. On expense guidance, we've seen strong AUM growth within investment products linked to MSCI indexes. These AUM levels have been higher than the assumption we noted last quarter. When we released earnings in April, we indicated that we would be towards the high end of the expense guidance ranges based on the assumption of relatively flat markets in Q2. Given the strong top-line momentum and very attractive opportunities, we've been investing in key growth areas. Additionally, there are a few notable factors driving the increased expense guidance range. Firstly, the impact of the recent acquisitions with the largest impact expected from First Street. Secondly, performance stock-based comp and bonus approvals related to the significant increase in AUM in products linked to MSCI indexes. The adjustment to the D&A guidance is driven by the First Street acquisition and the increase in the interest expense is driven by the higher revolver balances related to the First Street acquisition and recent share repurchases. Importantly, we have the leverage to flex investments up and expenses down based on the environment and business performance, which allows us to consistently deliver strong results. We remain well positioned and committed to delivering attractive profitability growth in all environments while investing for the long term. Overall, I'm incredibly excited by our growing momentum and the strong pipeline across the business. We're only just starting to see the benefits of the new and enhanced solutions that we've recently introduced and which are adding to our momentum. We look forward to keeping you posted on our progress. And with that, operator, please open the line for questions.
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Operator24:30
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone, then wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one again. Please limit yourself to one question, then you may return to the queue for additional questions. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
Our first question comes from the line of Manis Paint with Barclays. Your line is open.
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Manis Paint25:03
Hi, thank you. Henry, I guess in your commentary you talked about a lot of record new sales and categories and so forth. So just broadly in terms of the environment for subscription sales looking forward, how would you characterize the momentum there versus maybe the numbers that fell a little short of expectation? Just curious on anything seasonal or any other characteristics you would call out.
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Henry Fernandez25:38
We are pretty bullish on our outlook. And, you know, Manis, I speak my mind and I basically tell exactly what I believe. We have introduced a very large number of new products, 80 plus in the last two quarters compared to 40 plus in all of 2024. Many of those new products are just beginning to show traction in sales because in our business it takes time. It's an institutional budget, an institutional setting. So it takes time to go showcase it, discuss it, go through the use cases, go through the approval processes in our clients, etc. So that is why Andy and I have made specific comments a few times in our remarks about a very good pipeline in the next few quarters. I think we need to look at this quarter in the context of the progression that we have seen in the last few quarters starting mid last year. I think we had three quarters of our performance relative to consensus and the feeling by us that our prospects and the pipeline are pretty good. And therefore, in one quarter versus in a process like ours of reigniting much higher growth in the run rate with selling what we got and also with a lot of new products being launched, I think we need to be cognizant that there will be more variability quarter by quarter because many of the new products we're launching have high ticket items, high value items. So they may, if they fall in one line versus another line at the end of the quarter, they may flip from one place to another. Lastly, Manis, what I would say is we are very aggressive risk takers but very prudent financial managers. The reason why we are indicating a higher expense guidance is not because things have been forced upon us, but because we voluntarily feel that we would want to invest more in the business because we remain more positive than we have in the past. You know, Alisa Monari, one of our key senior managers, was telling us this morning that if we had the pipeline that we have today, if we had had the pipeline that we had today last year, we would have felt a lot better. Meaning a lot of things have changed and the overall environment is pretty positive among hedge funds and traders and even the active managers. I think we are making more progress than in the last few years because we're putting in new products.
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Manis Paint29:07
Thank you.
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Operator29:09
Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Tony Kaplan with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
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Tony Kaplan29:18
Thanks so much. I wanted to follow up, Henry, on you just mentioned maybe higher volatility because of the higher ticket price products, higher priced products. I was wondering if you could maybe talk about you're having really good success selling to hedge fund clients. You mentioned the tripling of net new sales there. Does that inherently lead to revenue volatility in the future? I know right now it seems like that's not an issue, but does that lead to volatility? And then maybe also, MCP, are you getting traction and adoption on selling data through MCP and does that lead to increased pricing this year but then when you lap it in the future does that sort of add some volatility as well? Thank you.
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Henry Fernandez30:13
Tony, I believe that there will be some, not a lot, but some volatility quarter by quarter as we ramp up growth. But I don't think that that volatility would necessarily come from traders and hedge funds. Historically, when you go back quite a few years, there was a meaningful amount of volatility in that segment. And a lot of it was because there was a long tail of hedge funds that we were selling into which would disappear or go out of business or they would cancel. Our strategy today is much more focused on the largest hedge funds that are multi-strategy, much more stable than has been in the past. So that is one factor that I don't think will lead to volatility. The other strategic factor that I would want to mention is for a very long period of time, we at MSCI in this franchise were very focused on the assets, the AUM levels of our clients. Our price increases with the active managers were kind of correlated to that, our solutions were correlated to that, and of course the ABFs were highly correlated to the level of assets. What we have discovered in the last few years is that there is a large trading and liquidity ecosystem around the AUM which we were not strategically focused on as much, and that's what we started to do in the last year or so and we have started launching new products and the like. So I think that is a secular and consistent source of profitability, of sales, of course, but profitability for us, and it's not like a yo-yo, it doesn't go up and down, it's very secular, very structural.
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Tony Kaplan32:22
Thank you.
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Operator32:23
Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ashes Sabaj with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.
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Ashes Sabaj32:36
Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to drill down further on the analytics front. Particularly you talked about really strong demand for factor content and factor solutions, but if you look at the subscription sales growth there, that was a bit soft. So I was wondering any particular puts and takes that you would call out? Is it mostly around tougher comps and how do we think about the pipeline in analytics going forward? Thanks.
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Henry Fernandez33:06
It's all lumpiness. The pipeline going into the second half of the year is pretty strong in analytics, and therefore I would really advise you not to focus too much attention on this quarter's soft net so to speak in the analytics results because it is very largely lumpiness from one quarter to the next.
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Ashes Sabaj33:35
Thank you.
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Operator33:35
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Cra with UBS. Your line is open.
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Alex Cra33:45
Yes. Yes. Hey, good morning everyone. Hopefully this is not a repeat. My phone just dropped. But I wanted to come back to the index sales in particular from hedge funds because you did point out the strong demand and I think you just mentioned it again just now in terms of the multi-managers, but there's obviously been a bunch of articles around how much money some of these firms are minting in terms of index arbitrage strategies, etc. So just wondering, do you think there's a large demand for this? Do you think there's a lot of firms that you're talking to that want to get bigger in that space because clearly there's money to be made, or do you think it's a very concentrated group of folks that you can sell to and then hopefully at some point you meet that demand but maybe it's finite.
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Henry Fernandez34:32
Alex, I think it's both. As I was saying, probably when your phone dropped, the very strategic breakthrough that we have had in the last kind of 12 to 18 months is that we used to sell to the traders and hedge funds as a derivative, almost like we would take the products that we would sell to the active managers and sell it to them. And we started recognizing that in addition to the very large AUM levels of active and passive management AUM linked to our indices, there is a very large ecosystem around that, the trading ecosystem, liquidity ecosystem around that that needs lubrication, that needs products, data products, and models and all of that to make it flow better. And we're the ones that can provide that because we helped create that AUM levels. So I think the large hedge funds are definitely getting paid too little for the carried interest, that's for sure. And there are a number of other hedge funds that are obviously wanting to get into that especially given the recent good news about the profitability there. But there are a lot of other venues for growth in terms of custom index. One of the things we've been highlighting to our clients is they are focused very much on the market cap index arbitrage, but 30% plus of the AUM of the ETFs linked to MSCI indexes are non-market cap, they are factors and ESG and climate, and many of them are more customized. So we're creating those data sets for them to do the index arbitrage. Now remember, the index arbitrage also helps the active managers and passive managers, particularly the passive managers, because somebody's got to supply the shares in that one last hour of trading in the quarter when people are rebalancing, and the people that do that are the hedge funds and the broker dealers. So there is a big ecosystem that we're just beginning to scratch the surface here.
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Alex Cra36:54
Thank you.
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Operator36:54
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Owen Law with Clear Street. Your line is open.
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Owen Law37:04
Good morning and thank you for taking my question. Could you please add more color on the drivers of the fee compression for the asset-based fee in the last two quarters? The drop was quite meaningful for two quarters compared to last year. How much of that was because of the tier pricing structure and how much of it is driven by competitive dynamics and how should we think about these fee rates going forward? Thank you.
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Andy Wishman37:33
Sure. Sure. Yeah. So Owen, first and foremost, it is important to keep in mind that our primary focus is on driving overall run rate growth and revenue growth and maximizing the AUM capture with our ETF partners. And you've seen tremendous success on that front with nearly a trillion dollars of AUM growth and 30% growth in ETF run rate over the last year, 25% overall growth in asset-based fee run rate. So that is our predominant focus. As we commented on with the year-end earnings around the new BlackRock agreement, the extension of the BlackRock agreement, there was a change to the floors on certain products which caused a drop in the first quarter of basis points. When you look at the second quarter, it was predominantly driven by tremendous asset growth and mix shift. And so we saw significant growth in AUM skewed towards developed markets outside the US and all country products where we tend to have a wider range of pricing schedules particularly relative to emerging market exposure. Correspondingly, you saw far less cash flows in emerging markets in the second quarter relative to what we've seen in the past year recently. And so there were a number of dynamics at play. In this case it was heavily mix-shift driven. I do want to highlight, and we mentioned this at year-end, we do now have lower floors on certain large products and we've got a somewhat dynamic framework built around the pricing. So the overall basis points are going to be dynamic and a function of how much growth we see and where we see that growth. And if you do see significant growth in lower fee products, you can
See a higher contribution from mix shift as we saw in the second quarter here. The opposite can be true as well where when you see a higher contribution from the higher fee products, you can see stability or even increases in the basis point. So it really is path dependent here. But overall our focus is on driving overall run rate growth and we continue to be very bullish about the opportunity here and even over the last few weeks in the third quarter we've continued to see exceptional cash flows into ETFs linked to our indexes and so continue to believe there's a long trajectory of upward movement there.
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Operator40:12
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Hess with JP Morgan. Your line is open.
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Alex Hess40:20
Yeah. Hi guys. Could you briefly refresh us how much, what is your AUM level to end the quarter in non-ETF products? And then shifting to the active ETF discussion. I know you guys threw out some points there, but maybe give us an update on how active ETF penetration is going. Should we expect more of a patch of subscription product in the back half of the year or and active ETFs? Any sort of dynamics about how that should flow through your P&L in the back half of the year and just the momentum in that business would be really helpful. Thank you guys.
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Andy Wishman41:01
Sure. Sure. Yeah. Thanks, Alex. So, the non-ETF passive AUM is around $5 trillion as of June 30th. Continues to be an area where we see tremendous growth across a number of dimensions. The revenue growth can deviate from ETF growth because of a number of factors including different AUM growth dynamics, less impact from inflows, contract adjustments, true-ups, true-downs. In certain cases we can have mandates that shift their assets which can cause impacts to run rate and revenue. Which is why you've seen some lower growth in non-ETF passive relative to the ETF growth. But we do expect this to continue to be an attractive longer-term growth opportunity for us. On the active ETF front, this is an exciting area for us. As you know, we've got a notable presence as a benchmark provider to many of the managers that are launching active ETFs, and we are increasingly having dialogues with them about how we can help them beyond just being the benchmark and play an integral role in the active portfolio construction through using our content sets, our tools, our analytics. We have started to get traction there. We recently launched our active financial product license, which is a specific license to an active ETF manager where they have the ability to use our content as a key input into the active management of their strategies. We have had some wins on that front in the second quarter and we are in active dialogues with many organizations to do more for them on that front. So this is something that's benefiting us both on the subscription side and we believe over time should help play a role on the asset fees side of the equation as well.
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Alex Hess43:17
Thank you.
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Operator43:20
Our next question comes from the line of Kelsey Zoo with Autonomous. Your line is open.
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Kelsey Zoo43:25
Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Analytics margin was a bit softer than expected this quarter. Could you maybe talk about the main drivers there and how we should think about the margin trajectory in the second half of the year? Thanks a lot.
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Andy Wishman43:42
Yeah, as you know, firstly I would say we don't focus heavily on the margin in any specific segment or even in a quarter. Our overall goal is allocating our investment dollars and our resources towards the highest returning areas. So I wouldn't read too much into one quarter's margin or expense growth. Just to provide a bit more color on analytics expenses, I would highlight that a year ago in the second quarter we had a sizable contingent consideration reversal associated with the contingent consideration on the fabric acquisition. That skews a little bit the year-over-year expense comparison and ultimately the margin comparison. We did also have, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, elevated comp accruals and performance stock expense impacts. A chunk of those end up hitting analytics, and beyond that there are factors like FX and capitalization in any given quarter that can cause the margin to swing around. But within analytics, as Henry alluded to, we continue to see very attractive opportunities. We continue to invest behind areas like our factor franchise, areas like our total portfolio solutions, integrating our private asset capabilities. But there are parts of analytics where we are much more measured on our investments. But overall, as I said, I wouldn't focus too much on the margin or expense growth in any one quarter.
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Kelsey Zoo45:15
Thank you.
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Operator45:17
Our next question comes from the line of Craig Hoover with Hoover Research Partners. The line is open.
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Craig Hoover45:23
Great. Thank you. I want to focus on all other private assets segment. What do you guys think needs to change here to sort of get out of this about 8% subscription run rate growth this last quarter? Yes, that's an acceleration from recent quarters. Although it's not as strong as I think that you think the potential is long term or what it used to grow historically some quarters. What needs to change? The marketplace? Is it more the product? Is it the sales effort and sales team size or something that's a change in the marketplace? Is it an education to the marketplace? What do you think needs to change to accelerate that even further? Thank you.
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Henry Fernandez46:01
So, Craig, it is in some much higher growth rates and all of the above. We're just getting started on the acceleration of private assets. We took control of Burgiss some 3 plus years ago. It took us maybe a year and a half to make sure that we were totally comfortable with the data sets, with the collection processes, with the existing client base and all of that. And then it took another year or so to change the management team of the business. These kinds of people are not easy to find. So over the last say 18 months we put a new management team with half a dozen to a dozen senior leaders there. We started innovating significantly, launching a lot of new products, and all of that at the moment is only beginning to show in the growth rate of what we call PCS. On real estate, I think that the approach we had been taking before, which was not the right one, was we had a management team there and it was basically focus on all places, all things. So we've brought in a great new leader to that space about maybe three or four months ago. We're beginning to show the results of that to revamp the strategy. Real estate is a huge asset class and there are a lot of subsegments of real estate, some of which are growing pretty fast like private debt into real estate and infrastructure, and some of which are challenged like center city office space. So it's a question of picking your spots and creating new products for that. So overall, we feel that the growth rate in saying all of the above is new products, new management team, expansion into new client segments. For example, in PCS, in the old Burgiss business, we were very much focused on the institutional LP. You saw our announcement on with UBS on focusing on the wealth LP. One of the biggest contributions we can make is creating transparency and valuations in private asset funds for the wealth segment, the wealth channel. That will significantly increase the allocations in wealth and we will do that starting with our lead client UBS and talking to all the big wealth managers in the world. So that's a significant opportunity. And then we have also taken significant steps of creating products and penetrating the GPs, in which our run rate for private assets and GPs is extremely small compared to the potential that exists there, which is very, very large.
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Operator49:32
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from Alana Fasa Away with Bike. Your line is open.
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Alana Fasa Away49:42
Yes. Hi. Thank you. I wanted to ask about new product traction. I know historically you've given us some metrics around the percentage contribution from new products and I was hoping if you could get some metrics like that. But I guess more broadly I'm trying to understand the new product traction from maybe your non-hedge fund trading ecosystem. Trying to disaggregate how much of your growth is really being driven by again that hedge fund ecosystem versus incremental new new products.
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Henry Fernandez50:20
So let me answer the second part and then Andy will give you the take on the first part, the more quantitative answer. As you know, every quarter we try to focus attention on a specific area so that we don't diffuse the whole effort. This quarter obviously we've been focused on traders and hedge funds, especially index analytics products, in order for you to see the potential of that. But there is a very large potential that an index across the whole spectrum. We're ramping up significantly the custom index factory for institutional investors that want customized indexes for portfolios. Obviously customized indices for ETFs and all of that. So that's an area where we are only beginning to see the fruits of the expansion in custom indices. On analytics, we've talked a lot about AI in analytics, which has been very successful. We are pushing pretty hard the total portfolio solutions capabilities with the TPA approach, the total portfolio approach. The Canadians have advocated a lot, pension funds are coming to us and discussing how our infrastructure, our models, our data, and our technology can help them achieve that total portfolio approach to investing for pension funds and sovereign wealth funds. So we're only beginning to see traction there. It takes time. And on private capital solutions and real estate solutions, we launch a lot of new products that have not yet started contributing because it's early. The launching of these new products have been in the last 6 to 9 months. So it's just beginning. We're beginning to discuss with our clients, do testing, do trials, and help the user convince their management that they should spend a lot more on this. It's very early days on that for both what we call PCS and what we call real estate.
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Andy Wishman52:58
Just to dimension it, when we look at the contribution to new sales from new products in the first half of this year, it's up around 40% compared to a year ago. We have seen a bigger and bigger contribution from new products as Henry alluded to. The area we've seen the most impact is with the traders and hedge funds, an area where there is generally a shorter sales cycle and path to monetization. But we are seeing traction across a broader range of index areas, particularly custom indexes, as well as on the private asset front we are seeing some good traction. There are a whole host of really impactful new solutions that we have just rolled out recently and are coming out with in the near future across both private assets and index as well as within analytics. Things like basket builder, signal library, advanced factor insights. These are areas where it's very fertile new product production. They do oftentimes have a longer sales cycle as Henry said earlier, but these are areas where we're very encouraged and bullish about the opportunity set on the impact of new products moving forward here.
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Alana Fasa Away54:23
Thank you.
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Operator54:25
Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from Alana Scott Wale with Wolf Research. Your line is open.
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Alana Scott Wale54:35
Hi, good morning guys. Thank you for taking my question. I just want to ask a more high level question. We have seen this elevated level of subscription run rate growth and traction from the hedge funds and the traders. Just wondering if you can maybe share your thoughts on what inning you believe we are in sort of the demand and product uptake cycle with these two end markets and if and how long we could potentially see this elevated level of growth for. Thanks.
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Henry Fernandez55:04
In a nine inning baseball game, the first two, three innings would be my guess. I can translate that into 90 minutes of soccer, but I won't do that. You can do it. But we're very bullish on that segment. But it's not the only segment we're very bullish on. We're very bullish on wealth managers as it relates to private assets. We're only getting started with the UBS announcement, which is not in the numbers by the way. The announcement is just the term sheet agreement to proceed, which we thought it was important to publicize so that we can get traction with other managers in the world. So we feel very good about that. We feel very good about the custom index ecosystem. We feel very good about analytics accelerating the growth rate of analytics gradually. Nothing comes suddenly. We feel very good about physical risk in climate. ESG and transition risk and then physical risk did to us was a major strategic breakthrough. What all these things are are non-traditional sources of risk and return. We started focusing on that because that has significant effects on portfolios, tariffs, energy supplies, energy dependence, energy transition, obviously AI impact on companies, other supply chain impact. Our client base is clamoring for data sets and models that help them understand. For example, with the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, clients have come to us and said can you get us data sets to understand the electric utilities in East Asia that depend on gas coming from Qatar or oil coming from Kuwait and try to assess the risk and the opportunity associated with the shares of those companies. So one of the highest products in demand right now is can you give us a ranking of companies that are going to have positive impact from AI and the companies that are going to have a negative impact from AI. The first thing that I told them is MSCI is in the category of very positive impact from AI, but they're looking for the broader set across all securities. So we're very busy at work, extremely busy trying to do that. One other thing that I will say is that we try not to have companies speak or in my case CEO speak. We try to tell you like it is. I stood here almost a year ago exactly and telling you things were not looking that great because we had launched a lot of new products, the active management segment was a little more challenged, and we were not in a great trajectory in sustainability. But we had taken a lot of big steps. Those steps began to show us a way in the third quarter, in the fourth quarter, and in the first quarter of this year. I'm therefore telling you the opposite right now. We see a big trajectory here. I know and respect people that have a different view and they want to sell their shares and that's capitalism and free markets. But given our conviction in our franchise and the growth prospect that we see, we're prepared to put a bet on the other side of that trade.
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Operator59:25
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Surrender Thin with Jefferies. Your line is open.
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Surrender Thin59:35
Thank you. For the sustainability segment regarding the challenges that you're seeing, is this something that we can get through mostly this year or is this something that you're going to have to digest maybe over a longer period of time? And then maybe related to that, can Europe and maybe the rest of the world just continue to offset here or how should we think about the longer term dynamics?
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Henry Fernandez1:00:02
Well, I used to think that it was going to be a couple year process overreaction. It's not turning out to be that. I think we're in a protracted cyclical downturn on the use of sustainability. But I want to emphasize cyclical, not secular. I think sooner or later there will be more demand for these factors that create opportunities and risk in portfolios. It's only logical. Think about this: who is going to say that in the future governance is going to be less important? Who is going to think that in the future environmental matters are going to be less important? Who is going to think that in the future social issues, when most developed market economies in the world their local working-age population is declining and they need to bring people of color and peoples of other religions in order to create economic growth, the adaptability of companies to a social system of multicultural society needs to be taken into account in the risk and the return of security. So I think we're seeing an overreaction which is prolonged and protracted. I don't know how long it will take, but it will take long. And what right now for us is a consolidation play. We are consolidating. Our clients are consolidating to us because we're the committed player. We're the one putting investment. We're the one servicing them. Our market share is increasing in this space, in some cases rapidly, and we're going to be the last big entity standing when this all settles in this space and benefit from the upswing when it comes. The other part of this, as I said before, is sustainability of the old ESG terminology opened our eyes to climate initially, transition and then physical, and it opened our eyes to this whole field of emerging risk. Most of what MSCI has done has helped clients understand traditional sources of risk and return: market risk, credit risk, in some cases operational risk, factor risk, stress testing risk. What we have begun to realize is that the world's changing fast and therefore there are non-traditional and emerging sources of risk and return that need to be captured into portfolios, and we are the player to help them do that.
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Operator1:02:59
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Curtis Nigel with Bank of America. Your line is open.
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Curtis Nigel1:03:11
Great. Thank you so much. Maybe just a quick one on the cash flow. Even expenses, OpEx expenses up a little bit. But you did raise the free cash flow guide. So I just wondering what the offsetting in a stronger conversion is related to.
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Andy Wishman1:03:29
Yeah. So it's driven by a pick up in collections. We've seen strong collection activity that is somewhat offset by higher cash taxes, some higher comp related expenses as we've talked about with the expense guide. But overall we're seeing strong business momentum and that's trickling through to free cash flow. As you know, free cash can be a bit lumpy because of items like tax, timing of expenses and collections, but overall we see good momentum and continue to be confident about driving an attractive trajectory of both free cash flow growth and free cash flow conversion. Free cash flow per share are all things that we're confident in.
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Operator1:04:24
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jason Hos with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
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Keegan1:04:35
Hey, this is Keegan on for Jason. Thanks for taking my question. I've got another one on the traction you're seeing with hedge funds. Has there been any step change in the underlying demand or would you categorize all of this acceleration as coming from your new product developments? And what I'm really trying to understand is you mentioned that your product development in 2026 has already doubled that of 2024, but you're only starting to see the benefits. So should we expect this to continue to accelerate as you continue to benefit from the accelerating new products on a lag?
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Andy Wishman1:05:10
The impact from new products we expect to continue to grow as Henry alluded to earlier, specifically within the hedge fund and trader community. That's the area where we've actually seen probably the most notable impact from new products so far. Those are areas where there is oftentimes a quicker path to monetization and shorter sales cycles. But as Henry alluded to earlier, we're in early innings there. These organizations are both growing. The areas where they are growing and accelerating can help them, which is index rebalance strategies, more systematic strategies, things like basket trades, understanding factors and signals in more detail, coming up with custom factors. These are all areas where we're releasing new capabilities and plan to release new capabilities in coming quarters. So as Henry alluded to, we've got a long way to go. But hedge funds and traders is probably the area where we've already seen the most notable impact for new products. I think the comments generally were across many other areas as well where there's longer sales cycles and many of the products that we've released we should be monetizing going forward but haven't seen as big of an impact to this point.
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Keegan1:06:33
Thank you.
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Operator1:06:35
Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of George Tongue with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
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George Tongue1:06:44
Hi, thanks. Good morning. You mentioned asset managers grew 6% in subscription run rate this quarter. Can you elaborate on the demand environment among active managers and whether you're seeing any catalysts that could drive an acceleration in growth?
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Henry Fernandez1:07:02
Yes, George. I think there is not a huge amount that has changed in active managers. Obviously their AUM levels have risen, but the flows are still muted. With indices like ours performing well because of concentration in countries like the US or concentrations in technology, they will tend to underperform and have more pressure. So not a huge amount of change. It's stable, but not a huge amount of change. I think the approach that we have taken is that this client segment, which we know very well, needs our help in transforming themselves. That is where we're extremely focused. They need our help in active ETFs. Over 80% of the active ETFs are actually systematic type of ETF as opposed to stock picking ETF. So we have a lot to add there for them and help them with that. A lot of them are gingerly going into parts of the private asset space like growth equity in privates or private credit, and we're helping them there as well. A lot of them are trying to penetrate the wealth channel in addition to the institutional channel. So we have a lot of sales enablement tools there. So I think you're going to see a gradual increase in the growth rate on the client segment because of the new strategies we're putting into place.
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Operator1:09:03
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of David Molm Madden with Evercore ISI. The line is open.
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David Molm Madden1:09:16
Hey, thanks for squeezing me in here. So last quarter you guys were talking about some of your clients wanting to license more content through AI enabled delivery. So I'm wondering, three months later, how those conversations are progressing. Are you seeing any signs of monetization of that content license licensing? And is that showing up here in the run rate yet or is it coming in the next few quarters? How do you think about the progression of that? Thanks.
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Andy Wishman1:09:53
Yeah. So it is showing up. It's little today. We do expect this to be a nice tailwind for us. We actually very recently signed our first training license. This has given a client the right to train a model using certain content of ours. We think that's something and we see the demand across a wider range of clients that want to do the same thing. That can be very attractive for us even beyond the training needs. As Henry alluded to, our clients are becoming more quantitative. They are leaning on AI-driven tools and want broader access to more content sets across broader parts of their organizations. That piece has been fueling some of the growth across numerous client segments and fueling some of the demand for more content. But in both cases, we're early in that journey. Those AI-driven investment processes are at a formative stage and we can play a critical role in helping our clients develop those and give them the key inputs they need to be more risk aware, systematic, thoughtful, and clear about what they're doing to create better outcomes. It's an area we are excited about but it's been a relatively small contributor to this point.
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Operator1:11:24
Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. We have a follow-up question from the line of Alex H with JP Morgan. Your line is open.
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Alex Hess1:11:35
Hey guys, thanks for letting me hop back into the queue. Just real quick, can you give any color on pricing dynamics year to date and maybe what you expect perspectively just to round out the picture on that? Thank you so much.
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Andy Wishman1:11:50
Yep. Yeah, sure, Alex. So overall the contribution from price increases to new recurring sales has been relatively stable for us. It fluctuates a bit up and down in different parts of the business, different client segments, but the overall contribution's been pretty consistent with what we've seen in recent quarters. The puts and takes relate to things like client health, usage innovations, and importantly we are taking a long-term view with our clients. In many areas where we could increase price more, we want to be a constructive partner to our clients and position ourselves to do a lot more with them going forward. The enhancements and innovations that we're making are helping add additional value to our clients as well as supporting price increase. So we're confident about the trajectory of price increases. We think it's going to be a strategic and sustainable part of the growth algorithm for us. But overall it's been pretty stable and we're being pretty measured around it, although in some areas where we are dramatically enhancing the value we're providing, we can use price as a mechanism to capture that value.
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Operator1:13:19
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn the call back over to Henry Fernandez for closing remarks.
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Henry Fernandez1:13:31
Thank you everyone for joining us. As you describe, our footprint is growing across client segments in the investment ecosystem as we accelerate innovation to position ourselves for higher levels of growth in the future. We have a tremendous franchise and are only in the early stages of unlocking the full potential of that franchise and especially through AI. We of course remain intensely focused on delivering compounding growth and long-term value creation for our shareholders. We are not a company that makes or breaks every quarter. We are a company that likes to focus on the addition of every single quarter over the year and over the years in order to create compounding growth year in, year out. In the short term, our sales pipeline seems strong in terms of the number of opportunities including some large potential deals that could benefit us in the second half of the year. We are very excited about all the opportunities in front of us and we're laser focused on capitalizing on them. Again, thank you for joining us and please reach out to our team in case you have other questions or comments. We look forward to keeping you posted on the tremendous progress we're making on the transformation of MSCI into a higher growth company.
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Operator1:15:10
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.