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Marvell Technology Group Ltd ($MRVL) Q2 2026 Earnings Call

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About Matthew Murphy

Matthew Murphy, chairman and CEO of Marvell Technology, has been a prominent voice on AI infrastructure and connectivity in recent months. During Marvell’s earnings calls, Murphy reported strong financial results, including record revenue of $2.42 billion in the first quarter of fiscal 2027, and said the company sees a path where AI becomes the majority of Marvell’s business. He also stated that Marvell’s custom silicon design win pipeline has grown to 18 multi-generational XPU and XPU attach sockets, with over 50 new pipeline opportunities representing an estimated $75 billion in lifetime revenue potential. Murphy noted that the company’s core business, including enterprise networking and carrier, saw strong sequential and year-over-year growth. At Computex 2026 in Taipei, Murphy delivered a keynote in which he argued that “computing at this scale is fundamentally a connectivity challenge” and that “the architecture and characteristics of connectivity defines the performance of the system.” He described a future of “globally optically interconnected data infrastructure” where compute and memory can be pooled dynamically. Murphy also appeared on stage with Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang, who said Nvidia had invested $2 billion in Marvell as part of an expanded partnership spanning optics, photonics, and NVLink Fusion. Murphy characterized Marvell as “the Switzerland of the industry,” working with multiple compute and memory partners. He also stated that Marvell has invested roughly $36 billion over the last decade in building its platform, including acquisitions and organic development.

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Transcript (77 segments)
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Operator0:00
Good afternoon and welcome to the Marvell Technology Inc. second quarter of fiscal year 2026 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note this event is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Ashish Saran, Marvell's senior vice president of investor relations. Thank you. You may begin.
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Ashish Saran0:32
Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Marvell's second quarter fiscal year 2026 earnings call. Joining me today are Matt Murphy, Marvell's chairman and CEO, Willem Meintjes, CFO, Chris Koopmans, president and COO, and Sandeep Bharathi, president, data center group. Let me remind everyone that certain comments made today include forward-looking statements, which are subject to significant risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from management's current expectations. Please review the cautionary statements and risk factors contained in our earnings press release, which we filed with the SEC today and posted on our website, as well as our most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings. We do not intend to update the forward-looking statements. During our call today, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation between our GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures is available in our earnings press release. Let me now turn the call over to Matt for his comments on the quarter. Matt.
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Matthew Murphy1:29
Thanks, Ashish, and good afternoon, everyone. For the second quarter of fiscal 2026, Marvell delivered record revenue of 2.006 billion, reflecting a 6% sequential increase and strong 58% year-over-year growth. Our data center end market continued its strong momentum, growing 69% year-over-year, fueled by robust AI demand. We also saw solid recovery in our enterprise networking and carrier infrastructure end markets, which collectively grew 43% year over year. We expanded our non-GAAP operating margin by 870 basis points year over year to 34.8% and delivered record non-GAAP earnings per share of $0.67, up 123% year over year. We also delivered $462 million in operating cash flow, up significantly from the $333 million in the first quarter. Robust cash flow generation is enabling us to continue to return significant capital to our stockholders. We have repurchased $540 million of stock through the first half of the fiscal year with approximately $2 billion remaining in our authorization. At the beginning of the third quarter, we completed the divestiture of our automotive Ethernet business in a $2.5 billion all-cash transaction at a very compelling valuation. I'm pleased with our team's execution in closing this transaction ahead of schedule. The proceeds from this transaction provide us flexibility to continue to drive our ongoing stock repurchase program and deploy capital to further bolster our technology platform. The auto divestiture aligns with our strategy to focus the company on what we expect to continue to be a massive AI opportunity in front of us by purposely redirecting our investments towards data center relative to our other end markets. That strategy has been very successful with data center alone now driving three quarters of our total revenue. The auto divestiture further reduces the relative proportion of revenue from our non-data center end markets. As a result, starting in the third quarter, we will consolidate our non-data center end markets into a new single communications and other end market. Willem will cover this in more detail in his prepared remarks. During the quarter, we hosted a highly successful custom silicon investor event in June, where we outlined an expanded $94 billion data center TAM for calendar 2028, a 26% increase from our prior view. We also unveiled a new fast-growing custom silicon product category of XPU attach, updated our custom design win board to 18 multi-generational XPU and XPU attach sockets, and highlighted over 50 new pipeline opportunities with an estimated 75 billion of lifetime revenue potential. Based on the sockets we have already won, we concluded with our plan to grow our data center market share from 13% of a $33 billion TAM in calendar 24 to 20% of a $94 billion TAM in calendar 28.
Let me now take a moment to share how we are enhancing our leadership structure to further capitalize on significant opportunities in the large and fast-moving AI and cloud markets. We have promoted two exceptional leaders. Chris Koopmans to President and COO, and Sandeep Bharathi to President, Data Center Group, and consolidated substantial parts of the organization under their leadership. Their proven track record of innovation, execution, and results positions them to accelerate Marvell's growth. Chris joined Marvell 9 years ago, and he has been a key enabler of our transformation to a leader in the data center market. He has successfully led sales, our networking business, and most recently, global business operations and marketing. I'm pleased to see Chris take on sales again along with managing our non-data center businesses and corporate development. His expanded role now encompasses end-to-end revenue execution, from go-to-market strategy and customer engagement to operations and long-term strategic planning. Sandeep joined us in early 2019 to lead our central engineering team and accelerate development of our technology platform. He was instrumental in driving Marvell's leap to 5-nanometer process technology leadership, and integrating Avera, the custom business we acquired that has since become our largest growth opportunity. Under Sandeep's guidance, our engineering teams have successfully delivered multiple highly complex custom XPU and XPU attached projects in the high-volume production with first-time silicon success. With this promotion, Sandeep now has overall responsibility for our data center business in addition to his continued leadership of data center engineering and central engineering. This unifies full ownership of our largest and most important business under a single leader, spanning the entire product life cycle, from technology platform, IP and roadmap to customer engagement, product definition, and chip development. Let me now discuss our results and expectations for each of our end markets. In our data center end market, we achieved record revenue of $1.49 billion in the second quarter, growing 3% sequentially and 69% year-over-year. The strong performance was led by our custom XPU and XPU attached products, as well as our electro-optics interconnect portfolio. AI and cloud continue to be the primary drivers, accounting for over 90% of our data center revenue, with the remainder coming from the on-premise portion of our data center end market. We expect on-premise revenue to remain stable at an annualized revenue run rate of approximately $500 million. Looking ahead to the third quarter, we expect revenue from our electro-optics products to grow double digits sequentially on a percentage basis as we continue to benefit from our market-leading position in AI interconnect. Our custom business is also performing well and remains on track to grow in the second half of the fiscal year compared to the first. However, we expect growth to be non-linear in the custom business, with the fourth quarter substantially stronger than the third. As a result, we expect overall data center revenue in the third quarter to be flat sequentially, with electro-optics strength offset by lower custom revenue. On a year-over-year basis, we expect data center revenue to continue to deliver strong growth in the mid-30% range in the third quarter. We are very pleased with the progress of our 18 XPU and XPU attached sockets, several of which are already in volume production. We are making excellent progress on development of the remaining sockets with all of them expected to ramp over the next couple of years.
The success of our initial wave of custom programs, combined with rapidly growing industry interest in custom silicon, has expanded our design win pipeline to over 50 new opportunities. As next-generation XPU and XPU attached products increase in complexity, we believe it will become even more critical for customers to partner with a full-service custom silicon provider like Marvell. Since our event in June, our team has won additional sockets, adding to the 18 sockets we had already discussed. Collectively, these new wins represent multi-billion dollar lifetime revenue potential, and we remain deeply engaged in advanced architectural discussions of many of the opportunities still in the funnel. As next-generation AI data centers evolve, scale-up networks are becoming essential to tightly interconnect tens, hundreds, and eventually thousands of XPUs within and across racks. These require ultra-low latency and multi-terabit bandwidth to meet the demands of training and inference workloads. Marvell's multi-generational custom engagements with the hyperscalers gives us unique visibility into upcoming XPU architectures, enabling us to design scale-up switches supporting both open standard Ethernet and UALink fabrics purpose-built for AI. Combined with Marvell's leadership in Ethernet switching and proprietary high-speed, low-power, low-latency SerDes IP, we are strongly positioned to lead this market inflection. We are investing in developing scale-up switches tailored to each customer's protocol of choice and look forward to updating you on our progress. Beyond switching, our interconnect portfolio extends the opportunity. While copper dominates the scale-up links today, as networks expand and bandwidth grows, optics adoption will follow. This represents a large opportunity for Marvell's full suite of interconnect products and technologies, including DSPs for active electrical cables, or AECs, and active optical cables, or AOCs. Retimers for PCI, Ethernet, and UA link, and silicon photonics for near-packaged and co-packaged XPU optics. Our AEC and AOC DSPs are already in the market, and our retimers are in customer evaluation. We have demonstrated our 6.4T silicon photonics light engines, and expect our technology to be a key enabler of NPO and CPO implementations once the industry is ready to adopt. Collectively, between switching and interconnect, we see a massive scale-up opportunity for Marvell over time. Turning to our electro-optics interconnect portfolio, our PAM and DCI franchises continue to lead the industry in enabling the build-out of AI and cloud infrastructure. Demand for 800 gig PAM DSPs remain strong, with a long life cycle still ahead. We have also begun volume shipments of our next-generation 200 gig per lane 1.6T PAM DSPs to multiple customers, and we expect adoption to accelerate in the next several quarters. Looking further ahead, we are driving the next optical technology transition. At this year's Optical Fiber Conference, we demonstrated our 400 gig per lane PAM technology, a critical innovation and step towards enabling 3.2T optical interconnect. This milestone underscores Marvell's leadership in pushing the boundaries of next-generation optical connectivity. Our data center interconnect business also continues to expand, with adoption proliferating across large hyperscalers. Collectively, the custom and electro-optics product lines I just described now account for over three quarters of our total data center revenue. The balance comes primarily from our data center storage, switching, and security portfolios, each of which is showing solid progress. Our data center storage revenue has improved significantly, reflecting a return to health in both the SSD and HDD markets. In AI and cloud switching, our 12.8T products continue to ship in high volume, while our next-generation 51.2T switches are now ramping. Adoption is accelerating, and we expect these products to be a major driver of switch revenue growth in the next fiscal year. In the security market, we recently expanded our collaboration with Microsoft Azure on our hardware security modules, building on a long-standing and trusted relationship with this customer.
Now, let me turn to our enterprise networking and carrier infrastructure end markets. In the second quarter, enterprise networking revenue was 194 million, and carrier infrastructure revenue totaled 130 million. Combined revenue for these end markets grew 2% sequentially and 43% year-over-year. Looking ahead to the third quarter of fiscal 2026, we expect aggregate revenue from enterprise networking and carrier infrastructure to grow sequentially by approximately 30%. This growth is driven by normalizing customer inventory levels and strong adoption of our refreshed product portfolio. As a reminder, we recently migrated these products to advanced process nodes, an investment we expect to yield benefits for many years to come, given the long product life cycles in these markets. In the consumer end market, second quarter revenue was 116 million, up 84% sequentially and 30% year-over-year. Gaming demand and its seasonality continues to be the primary driver of this business. For the third quarter, we expect consumer revenue to be down sequentially in the low single digits on a percentage basis. Turning to our automotive and industrial end market, second quarter revenue was 76 million. Flat both sequentially and year-over-year. For the third quarter of fiscal 2026, reflecting the divestiture of our automotive ethernet business, we anticipate overall revenue of approximately 35 million from this end market. This includes a mid-single-digit million-dollar contribution from our automotive ethernet business prior to the transaction closing. In summary, in the second quarter of fiscal 2026, we continued to deliver operating margin expansion, earnings per share growth, and new revenue records. Looking ahead, we expect momentum to continue in the third quarter with total company revenue forecast at 2.06 billion at the midpoint, representing 36% year-over-year growth. Excluding revenue from automotive ethernet, the implied revenue growth for Marvell's go-forward business would be closer to 40% year-over-year at the midpoint of our forecast for the third quarter. We also expect to continue driving operating leverage with non-GAAP earnings per share forecast to grow 10% sequentially at the midpoint of guidance, more than double our projected revenue growth rate. Our second quarter results and third quarter guidance reflect robust contributions from our AI-driven data center end market, complemented by strong recovery in our enterprise networking and carrier infrastructure end markets. At the same time, our custom AI design engagements that are at an all-time high with customers showing very strong interest in our broad range of differentiated technologies. As I discussed earlier, our team continues to accumulate new wins, and we are pleased with the strong progress across both current and next-generation custom programs, which reinforces our confidence that we can achieve our long-term customer revenue goals. In addition, our market-leading electro-optics franchises continue to see strong demand for both current and next-generation solutions, and our scale-out switching platforms are positioned for strong growth. Over time, the emergence of scale-up networking for AI infrastructure should provide another strong tailwind for Marvell. With that, I'll turn the call over to Willem for more detail on our recent results and outlook.
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Willem Meintjes15:33
Thank you, Matt, and good afternoon, everyone. Let me start with a summary of financial results for the second quarter of fiscal 2026. Revenue in the second quarter was 2.006 billion, growing 58% year over year and 6% sequentially. Data center was our largest end market, contributing 74% of total revenue. GAAP gross margin was 50.4%. Non-GAAP gross margin was 59.4%. Moving on to operating expenses. GAAP operating expenses were 721 million, including stock-based compensation, amortization of acquired intangible assets, restructuring costs, and acquisition-related costs. Non-GAAP operating expenses came in at 493 million, slightly below our guidance. Our GAAP operating margin was 14.5%, while non-GAAP operating margin was 34.8%. For the second quarter, GAAP earnings per diluted share was 22 cents. Non-GAAP earnings per diluted share was 67 cents, reflecting year-over-year growth of 123%, which is more than double the pace of revenue growth, demonstrating the significant operating leverage in our model. Now, turning to our cash flow and balance sheet. Cash flow from operations in the second quarter was approximately 462 million, growing by 129 million from the prior quarter. Our inventory at the end of the second quarter was 1.05 billion, a decrease of 20 million from the prior quarter. We returned 52 million to shareholders through cash dividends. In addition, we repurchased 200 million of our stock in the second quarter. In June, we completed the public offering of notes totaling 1 billion and used most of the proceeds to repay existing debt. As of the end of the second quarter, our total debt was 4.5 billion with our gross debt to EBITDA ratio of 1.63 times and a net debt to EBITDA ratio of 1.19 times. Our debt ratios have continued to improve as we have driven an increase in our EBITDA. As of the end of the second fiscal quarter, our cash and cash equivalents were 1.2 billion. We recently completed the divestiture of our automotive Ethernet business in a 2.5 billion all-cash transaction. Proceeds from this sale give us flexibility to continue to drive our ongoing stock repurchase program as well as invest further in our technology capabilities.
Turning to our guidance for the third quarter of fiscal 2026, we are forecasting revenue to be in the range of 2.06 billion, plus or minus 5%. As a reminder, this forecast includes revenue in the mid single digit millions of dollars from the automotive Ethernet business before the completion of the divestiture. If the divestiture had not taken place and we had operated the automotive Ethernet business for the full quarter, we would have added approximately 60 million to our guidance. We expect our GAAP gross margin to be between 51.5% and 52%. We expect our non-GAAP gross margin to be between 59.5% and 60%. Looking forward, we anticipate that the overall level of revenue and product mix will remain key determinants of our gross margin in any given quarter. For the third quarter, we project our GAAP operating expenses to be approximately 719 million. We anticipate our non-GAAP operating expenses to be approximately 485 million. For the third quarter, we expect GAAP other income and expense, including interest on our debt, and the gain from the divestiture of our automotive Ethernet business to be an income of approximately 1.8 billion. Non-GAAP other income and expense, including interest on our debt, is expected to be an expense of approximately 33 million. We expect a non-GAAP tax rate of 10% for the third quarter. We do not expect the recently passed tax bill act to have a material effect on our current year's non-GAAP tax rate. We expect our basic weighted average shares outstanding to be 863 million, and our diluted weighted average shares outstanding to be 870 million. We anticipate GAAP earnings per diluted share in the range of $1.98 to $2.08. We expect non-GAAP earnings per diluted share in the range of $0.69 to $0.79. As Matt mentioned, we plan on updating our revenue by end market classification beginning next quarter. Over the past several years, our strategic focus on expanding revenue in the data center market has delivered strong results, driving significant growth in this end market. On a relative basis, data center revenue has more than doubled as a percentage of total company revenue, from 34% in the second quarter of fiscal 2024 to 74% in the second quarter of fiscal 2026. As a result, in our most recent quarter, our four other end markets collectively represented only 26% of total company revenue. The divestiture of our automotive Ethernet business further reduces the relative contribution of our non-data center end markets. Looking ahead, we expect data center to continue outpacing all other end markets in both size and growth rate. As a result, our fiscal Q3 results will be the last quarter with the current classification, and our Q4 guide will reflect the streamlined revenue reporting. Results will be reported in two categories, data center and communications and other. The composition of our data center end markets will remain unchanged. The new communications and other end market will consolidate revenue currently reported separately from our enterprise networking, carrier infrastructure, consumer, and auto industrial end markets. We will continue to provide qualitative commentary in our earnings discussions, highlighting notable developments within submarkets in the consolidated communications and other end market. We expect most of the revenue in the new communications and other end market to come from our current enterprise networking and carrier infrastructure end markets, which have both continued to recover. On a combined basis for these two end markets, our guidance for the third quarter of this fiscal year implies an annualized revenue run rate of approximately 1.7 billion, compared to the low point we saw in the first quarter of fiscal 2025 of approximately 900 million. Consistent with prior comments, we expect these two end markets to collectively generate approximately 2 billion in annual revenue over time. Additionally, as we have stated previously, we anticipate annual revenue of approximately 300 million from our consumer end market, and following the divestiture of our automotive Ethernet business, approximately 100 million from our industrial end market. In conclusion, we're executing on our strategy, driving strong revenue growth, and expanding our operating margins towards our long-term target. In addition, our balance sheet has continued to strengthen and provides a solid foundation to support our growth opportunities. With that, we are ready to start our Q&A session. Operator, please open the line and announce Q&A instructions. Thank you.
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Operator23:16
Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. In the interest of time, restrict yourself to one question only. If you have additional questions, please rejoin the queue. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
Thank you. Our first question is from Ross Seymour with Deutsche Bank.
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Ross Seymour23:55
Hi guys, thanks for letting me ask a question. I wanted to dive into the guidance for the custom business that I appreciate the lumpiness of it, but can you give any more color on what the headwinds are in the third quarter and then what gives you the confidence and any sort of magnitudes on the increase in the fiscal fourth quarter?
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Matthew Murphy24:12
Yeah, thanks Ross and I think you captured the right phrase which is lumpiness. I think this is normal to see particularly with the large hyperscale builds that happen. And especially as you ramp them into production which we've done this year on a number of programs. So, this is not unusual. Fortunately our optics business is quite strong in the coming quarter and that's growing double digits and then as we said in the prepared remarks, we see a demand increase again in custom. So, yeah, there's nothing unique there Ross other than we've spent the last couple of years ramping these into production and we've got kind of a one quarter digestion with a recovery in Q4. I will say that overall, we expect custom to be up in the second half over the first half, and so you should expect a strong fourth quarter for custom. Thanks.
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Ross Seymour25:15
Thank you.
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Operator25:18
Our next question is from Tore Svanberg with Stifel.
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Jeremy25:26
Yes, good afternoon. This is Jeremy calling for Tore. Maybe if you could provide a little bit more clarity on the design wins that you're seeing. How much of your custom products revenue that you expect in the second half is coming from some of these new programs, and how much is coming from some of your existing design wins? Any color or clarity you can provide would be very helpful.
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Matthew Murphy25:55
Yeah, hey thanks, Jeremy. Good to hear from you. And yeah, I'll actually turn this one over to Chris to talk about the design win momentum we're seeing in the opportunity set as it relates to your question. Thanks. Go ahead, Chris.
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Chris Koopmans26:07
Yeah, thanks, Matt. So yeah, it's truly an exciting time to be in the custom silicon business for data center. We have a tremendous amount of design activity, more than I've ever seen in my 9 years at Marvell. And ultimately, we're seeing that across XPU, XPU attached, emerging and existing hyperscalers. And I should say that, you know, even since our event in June where we said that the XPU attached opportunities were in the sort of several hundred million dollar design win lifetime, that's grown from there. Some of the ones we're chasing now are much much larger than that. Just as these hyperscalers build out these rack scale infrastructures. And yeah, since June, the design wins that we've added, these are very meaningful. Think in the billions of dollars for the new design wins. If you put it all together, it just gives us even more confidence in our 20% share target in this incredibly fast growing market.
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Jeremy26:59
Great. Thank you. And maybe a follow-up in terms of, is there any impact you're seeing from supply constraints anywhere along the supply chain? Any impact from tariffs that you can see from your end? Thank you.
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Matthew Murphy27:16
Yeah. Yeah, great. You know, let Chris runs our global operations so I'll have him cover that and then Will, maybe you can make a quick comment on the tariffs
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Jeremy27:23
And I'll add a few.
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Matthew Murphy27:26
Sure. Yeah, but certainly the supply chain is very tight, requires very tight coordination with our customers and very strong execution by our team. I'm very proud of our team to have met this ramp over the last year and very confident in our ability going forward. We've really been able to meet everything that our customers have needed, but it is tight and we have very strong coordination and execution.
Yeah, and Jeremy, it remains a very dynamic environment, but really we haven't seen any impacts on our business to date. We keep tracking it very, very closely. But as we look across all the different end markets that we're addressing, really haven't seen any significant impact.
Thanks, Jeremy.
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Jeremy28:15
Great. Thank you very much.
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Matthew Murphy28:16
Thank you.
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Operator28:19
Our next question is from Aaron Rakers with Wells Fargo.
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Aaron Rakers28:25
Yeah, thanks for taking the question. Kind of building on the earlier question, just to level set as we think about the lumpiness in the Custom XP business, I'm curious you've had a very talked about lead customer. I'm curious as you're looking at the business today, how concentrated are you amongst your lead customer? And if we look out, let's say six months or even 12 months from now, how do we expect to see some of these additional design wins start to fold into the XPU revenue stream? I'm trying to gauge the timing of some of these additional opportunities.
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Matthew Murphy29:02
Yeah, thanks Aaron. I think you said it right. We had started a few years back, a couple of AI Days ago, talking about a handful of sockets that were going to be our initial lead. Those have now ramped and are ramping, albeit with lumpiness in the short term, but those are happening. On top of it, the 18 we talked about just a couple of months ago at the AI Day, those are all either starting now or next year in the next sort of 18 to 24 months, they will all start to layer in. Then as Chris mentioned, we've actually secured some incremental wins, so think of it as 18 plus. There's a journey from a handful to 18 plus to beyond. That's really what we're focused on: driving our market share from where we were a couple of years back at 10% share in '23, 13% the year after, and driving to 20% over time. We're certainly getting a lot of confidence with the recent design activity that Chris talked about. It's unprecedented, almost episodic right now. Thanks.
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Aaron Rakers30:21
Yep.
And then as a quick follow-up, I know Nvidia this week talked about scale out or scale across networks. I'm curious how Marvell sees this opportunity moving from not just scale out and scale up, but scale across DCI. Any framing of how big of an opportunity that might represent for Marvell?
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Matthew Murphy30:43
Maybe I'll comment and Sandeep will comment. It's certainly something we're aware of. There are a number of different opportunities that keep layering in that would leverage our networking and connectivity technology. Sandeep, I don't know if you have any additional thoughts, but this is something that is relatively new. Sandeep, go ahead if you've got some thoughts.
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Sandeep31:08
Yeah, thank you, Matt. In terms of scale up opportunities, aside from the lead GPU player who has its own proprietary scale up fabric, there's a huge demand for Ethernet and purpose built fabric such as UALink. We see a lot of traction over the next couple of years for all the scale up requirements. We are investing heavily to bring our scale up switches to the market, and we see momentum in the next couple of years. We will have standard products using our state of the art low latency scale up switching IP portfolio, some of which we acquired from Inphi, which has been a great asset for us. We are very confident of scale up switches being a key growth driver for us in the next couple of years.
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Matthew Murphy32:02
Yeah, and then more to come in the future, Aaron, on the other type of opportunities. Thanks for covering that, Sandeep. Appreciate it.
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Operator32:13
Our next question is from Vivek Arya with Bank of America.
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Vivek Arya32:18
Thanks for taking my question. Just a near and longer term question on your custom business. Near term, Matt, do you think Q4 your data center growth can accelerate year on year from the Q3 levels that you gave? Just so we can have a level set on our models. And then as we look at 2026, one of your XPU competitors has suggested their business can grow 60%. I think yesterday Jensen kind of threw out 50% or so. So whatever industry growth rate seems to be in the 50% zip code for next year. Do you think Marvell has the visibility today around timing and magnitude of your large projects to kind of say that your business can grow in line with industry expectations, or are there other puts and takes we should keep in mind? Thank you.
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Matthew Murphy33:10
Yeah, thanks Vivek. A couple of things. First, our custom - we don't do an annual guide and we typically just guide a quarter at a time. I'll get to Q4 in a minute, but just as a baseline. On the annual stuff, we've only done that very rarely and typically later in the year as we have more visibility. So to set the stage, the overall momentum in the business has been very strong for several quarters now. I gave you some data points: custom would be up in the second half versus the first half. You can look at our optics performance - Q2, Q3, especially Q3 up double digits. And when you look at the big picture, we're very pleased with the strong recovery in the core business in enterprise networking and carrier. For reference, we hit a low point during the inventory recovery cycle at about a $900 million annualized run rate. Implied in our Q3 guide, this business goes back up to like a $1.7 billion run rate. So a very strong recovery both on inventory and on new programs kicking in and new products on the next technology node. All positive for the setup for Q3 and Q4.
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Vivek Arya34:49
Thank you.
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Matthew Murphy34:50
Thanks.
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Operator34:53
Our next question is from Tom O'Malley with Barclays.
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Tom O'Malley34:58
Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. I'm going to hit on the ASIC topic again, so apologies. Just want to dive in for a little more clarity. When you look at the digestion that's occurring in the October quarter, is that one project winding down while another is winding back up in the fourth quarter? Is it a temporary pause? Any color on what's happening there? Is it traditionally you see certain pockets where customers take product and then they stop, but is there anything to do with a product transition there? Any help would be useful.
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Matthew Murphy35:31
Yeah, thanks Tom. No problem. At a high level, these are existing programs and it's really just a timing issue in terms of how we deliver the product and when the customers' builds are occurring and when they want the product from us. Given that we're in the early stages of custom, this is really our first big year with the handful of sockets that will translate over to many more. It's really just a timing issue between the quarters, so it's more apparent. Over time, we do see a lot more diversity in this part of the business as additional programs ramp, but we're starting from a pretty low base just a couple of years back. Thanks.
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Tom O'Malley36:20
Okay, Paul. And then just as a follow up on the optical business, you're guiding double digit growth in the October quarter. You heard others during this earnings period talk about supply constraints, particularly on the laser side. You're obviously a component provider going into these modules. In terms of the ecosystem, are you seeing any stops and starts there in terms of product ramps, or are you hearing about any component issues, or are you relatively immune from that in your ramp?
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Matthew Murphy36:49
Yeah, I'll lead off and let Chris comment if appropriate. We've ramped this optics business massively over the last few years and very successfully. I want to echo what Chris said. Our business unit team, sales team, and operations team have done a great job. We have deep partnerships up and down the supply chain and with the key module companies to really plan our business together. There seems like there's always something going on, but we've been able to manage through it and continue to grow dramatically if you look at the ramp over the last few years. There's always noise in the system relative to different pieces, but overall we're tracking really well. Chris, do you have anything to add, or did I capture that?
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Chris Koopmans37:36
I think you captured it. Just very strong partnerships with our customers and trying to stay one step ahead of all the changes and executing very well.
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Matthew Murphy37:46
Yeah.
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Operator37:50
Our next question is from Timothy Carey with UBS.
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Timothy Carey37:55
Thanks a lot. Matt, you're guiding data center flat and optics is up double digits. Since you're guiding optics up double digits, can you give us a sense of the baseline for the optics business? I know you did provide that the AI revenue would cross over half of the total company revenue. Is that happening as soon as fiscal Q3? So is optics plus custom at 50% of total company revenue? I'd like to see if you can give us some sense of the baseline coming off fiscal Q2.
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Matthew Murphy38:29
Yeah, let me start off real quick and I'll save Willem on that. We haven't updated that number since Q4 where optics was about half, custom was about a quarter, and other was about 25%. Obviously optics and custom have both come up since then. But we haven't exactly put a beat on that and updated the exact mix. Willem, anything or any commentary that would be helpful? It's something we're probably not going to update on a quarterly basis. I totally get the question, but Willem, anything to add?
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Willem Meintjes39:07
No, that's the right framework. To make clear what Matt said: take that guidance we gave in Q4 and you can apply your growth rates. It's just not a number we're going to be sharing every quarter, but that should give you a good sense of what it is.
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Timothy Carey39:22
Okay. But Matt, you did say last quarter that the total AI number would be half the company before the end of the fiscal year. Can you at least provide a milepost? Is that happening in fiscal Q3 or will it happen more in fiscal Q4?
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Matthew Murphy39:39
Yeah, I think I'd have to give you a follow up, Tim. I don't have the spreadsheet right in front of me. But clearly with the puts and takes, custom up second half over first, strong optics... I don't have that number at the tip of my fingers. But it's definitely trending the same way. I wouldn't say there's any directional change. Yeah.
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Timothy Carey40:02
Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Thank you.
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Matthew Murphy40:04
Yeah, thanks.
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Operator40:07
Our next question is from Harsh Kumar with Piper Sandler.
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Harsh Kumar40:14
Yeah, hey guys. I had a question on the scale of the business. I think you mentioned you had 18 wins before, you might have picked up a couple more. I want to understand of all the custom and attach chips that Marvell is working on, how many are actually producing revenues today? I want to understand where we are today because we understand you are aiming for 20% of 94 billion by 2028. So I'm trying to understand where we stand today and where we're headed.
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Matthew Murphy40:50
Yeah, thanks Harsh. Chris, you want to give some commentary on that one?
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Chris Koopmans40:55
Sure. Yes, there are several that are in production today and have been since late last year. Of those 18, they're all either going to production now or have gone to production this year or into next year. So what you're seeing is pretty much every quarter, new parts of those programs moving into production. Ultimately we see that continuing to grow over time.
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Harsh Kumar41:20
Okay. And then maybe broadly, help us understand - and I'm not asking for any customer specific - but if most of your wins are on track. The reason I'm asking is when we talk to clients and investors, there's just a lot of controversy. Any statement you can make would be helpful.
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Matthew Murphy41:43
Well, there's always controversy. Harsh, I think that's why a big motivation for us with respect to the broader investor community around our AI Day was really trying to frame where we're driving the business, the technology differentiation, the opportunity set, breaking it down with more granularity than we'd done before relative to hyperscale versus emerging XPU, XPU attach, the relative size of those opportunities. We gave some commentary today that we're tracking against those and have now closed some. That's going to be the focus going forward. Given the design win momentum we're seeing, we're continuing to garner new incremental business from across the board, from the traditional big hyperscalers as well as the emerging generation. Hopefully that's helpful. Thanks, Harsh.
Yeah, thanks, man. Thanks, Harsh.
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Operator42:57
Our next question is from Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs.
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Jim Schneider43:02
Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could address capital allocation from a high level. If you look at your automotive Ethernet business, that's a very attractive price you were able to get from that. So maybe you can talk about the intended use of the proceeds. Is your bias more towards tuck in acquisitions that allow you to pursue the AI strategy faster, or buybacks? And more broadly, are you open to potential sale of other components of the business at the right price, whether that be carrier, consumer, or otherwise? Thank you.
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Matthew Murphy43:38
Yeah, thanks Jim. That's a thoughtful question. I'll up level it. Our capital allocation framework drives how we run the company. The automotive divestiture and the proceeds are an output of that. As background, we have run a strategy process since August 2016, basically six weeks after I became CEO. At that time there were opportunities around buybacks, but we primarily drive it from strategy first. We just completed our 10th strategic review a couple of weeks ago. Over time we've evolved the company from a consumer enterprise focused company to a data center AI first company. In the last few years, we've got our R&D spending well north of 80% in AI and data center, up from about 60% a few years ago. When we looked at automotive, it was a great business built from scratch, but it remained a small portion of revenue. As AI took off, it became even smaller. We had the opportunity to give it a great new home in Infineon, and we got significant and compelling valuation. We just closed it in early August. Now we're looking at how to deploy those proceeds. It's not decided yet. The answer is probably some of both. We're definitely going to keep looking at organic investments to differentiate and win in AI. If there are tuck ins, that's on the table. We've been consistent - we invested early and heavy in M&A to build the portfolio we wanted, and we've done a lot organically to build capabilities. We're in great shape but always looking. Willem, maybe a little bit to add.
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Willem Meintjes46:45
Yeah, I'll just add a couple things. Also call out the team for doing a phenomenal job getting this deal closed in 54 months. A deal of this size and complexity is just phenomenal. When you look back at the last couple of quarters, we've already driven an increased level of buybacks through much more consistent execution on our free cash flow. As a basis, you should expect us to continue driving that and having a focus on very consistent free cash flow execution, driving higher buybacks. And as Matt mentioned, this additional capital gives us a lot of flexibility to be opportunistic on buybacks, but at the same time we're at a historic moment in the size of the AI market, and where we see tuck ins that can accelerate our roadmap towards addressing that, we'll take advantage.
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Operator47:59
Our next question is from Harlan Sur with JP Morgan.
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Harlan Sur48:04
Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my question. This goes back to one of the previous questions. The noise level out of Asia on your lead customer's follow on 3 nanometer XPU program continues at a deafening pace. Your Asia competitor is essentially claiming victory on 3 nanometer. What's the update with Marvell's 3 nanometer XPU follow on program with your lead customer? Last earnings call, Matt, you talked about securing 3 nanometer wafer capacity, packaging capacity, production in calendar 2026. Is this program still tracking? What's the confidence level on this program driving growth next year? And maybe an update on your third XPU customer win at 3 nanometer, which was supposed to ramp back half of calendar 2026. How is that program tracking?
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Matthew Murphy48:58
Yeah, thanks Harlan. I appreciate the question. I understand the noise. As I said earlier, we're at a point where the initial programs and wins are ramping. We've increased our opportunity set significantly from a handful of sockets to 18 plus. We're driving to the market share targets in the future. Given the massive focus in this area and sensitivity, commenting on individual sockets at this point probably only increases the noise level. What we're really focused on is winning incremental designs, executing on the ones we've got, and driving the business forward to get 20% of a 90 plus billion dollar TAM in the future. That's where we are.
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Operator50:04
Thank you. Our last question is from Quinn Bolton with Needham and Company.
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Quinn Bolton50:10
Hi guys, thanks for squeezing me in. Matt, wanted to follow up on the scale up switch fabric opportunity. It seems like it's a bigger part of the XPU attach market. There are different flavors: Ethernet, UALink. Can you give us a sense when Marvell may have its first products ramping to revenue? Is that a calendar 2026 event, or more UALink based and more likely calendar 2027? And then I have a follow up.
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Matthew Murphy50:38
Yeah, thanks Quinn. I'll have Sandeep add a bit more, but I think he did a good job framing it. At a high level, the scale up is a great combination of key Marvell IPs all into one: our low latency switching IP, our serdes, and the ecosystem we're living in relative to XPUs. This is a key XPU attach that's fundamentally almost a chipset type decision. Sandeep, anything else to add? We haven't articulated a lot publicly yet, but there's huge momentum and we're engaged broadly.
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Sandeep51:29
Yeah, thank you, Matt. We are investing to bring UALink and Ethernet based products as we engage with our customers, working very closely with their timelines. Product introductions in the UALink and Ethernet space for scale up specifically will be in the next two years. With the assets we have, we're not only looking at UALink based products. In interconnect, we're already starting to see the use of AECs and AOCs, which are active electrical cables and active optical cables, positioning us to participate in these markets. So for UALink and Ethernet specifically, it will be in the next two years.
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Quinn Bolton52:16
Got it. Then just wanted to ask: you guys have a very substantial business in DSP based optical modules. A few of your peers have noted that I believe three hyperscalers are beginning to ramp LPO modules. Can you frame for us: do you think there are substantial LPO developments occurring? Are they niche applications? Any sense of LPO penetration of the overall optical transceiver market? Is it likely to stay in low single digit percentages, or do you see it getting bigger over a couple years? I'd like to hear your thoughts since you're the incumbent.
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Matthew Murphy52:54
Yeah, thanks Quinn. It's happening at a smaller scale and we're in some of those too. We have active wins and we're going to production in those types of modules as well. But given the sheer scale of DSP based pluggables, it ends up being a very small number and more of a niche use case. It can be valuable if a customer really needs it and can implement it in production. But the vast majority we see today and for the foreseeable future is still pluggables.
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Quinn Bolton53:34
Got it. Yeah, thanks.
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Matthew Murphy53:36
Yeah, cool. All right. Operator, I think that's it. I'm just going to make some closing remarks.
Okay, so anyway, thanks everyone for joining. I appreciate all of your interest in Marvell and joining the call and listening in. Just a couple of points. As I indicated and Chris and Sandeep talked about, the design win momentum in custom has been very, very strong even since the AI Day. I feel really good about that $75 billion pipeline that we're really bringing to close some of those key opportunities within that. I think that pipeline from what we can see is probably going to keep growing. This is across XPU, XPU attach, at the large hyperscalers and increasing around the emerging. Optics continues to be very strong. We're managing the execution quite well and growing the business there. And the core business, which was a point of consternation in the past about when it would come back and what the ramp would look like, it's nice to see in Q3 the strong sequential growth in enterprise networking and carrier, about 30% sequential and 80 plus percent year over year. Very strong recovery. Finally, it's all showing up in the numbers. We're getting a lot of leverage. Q2 EPS was up 123% year over year, and Q3 based on the guide would be up about 70%. So much faster than revenue. Overall, we're very pleased with the company's performance. We see a massive opportunity ahead and I appreciate everybody's interest in Marvell. We'll talk to you all soon. Thank you so much.
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Operator55:28
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today's conference. Please disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.