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Ronald Mittelstaedt
Founder, Chief Executive Officer, President & Director, WASTE CONNECTIONS INC

Waste Connections Q2 2026 Earnings Call | Organic Price Realizations Shield Solid Margins

🎥 Jul 23, 2026 📺 i101 ⏱ 59m 👁 2 views
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About Ronald Mittelstaedt

During Waste Connections' second quarter 2026 earnings call on July 23, 2026, Ronald Mittelstaedt discussed the company's increased outlook and margin performance. He stated that the company maintained its underlying solid waste margin expansion guidance of 50 to 70 basis points, noting that fuel costs had become more punitive than expected, reducing margins by 20 to 30 basis points, while improved commodities partially offset that impact. Mittelstaedt said that volumes are expected to be "somewhat flat to negative unless there's a macro change," but argued that margin expansion with nominally negative volumes is acceptable, adding that "not all volumes are created equally and we don't want all volumes." Mittelstaedt also commented on broader industry conditions, observing that a rapid spike in oil prices from $60 to over $120 per barrel in four to six weeks prompted public companies to react quickly, while private companies would take longer to adjust. He attributed underlying volume growth in the industry to "true GDP spending" and population growth, noting that population growth is "effectively zero perhaps negative" and that non-government GDP spending in the second quarter was about 1.3%, suggesting total volumes cannot exceed roughly 1%.

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Operator0:04
Hello everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to the Waste Connections Inc. Q2 2026 earnings call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star one again. I will now hand the call over to Ron Mittelstaedt, president and CEO. Ron, please go ahead.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt0:30
Okay, thank you operator and good morning everyone. I'd like to welcome everyone to this conference call to discuss our second quarter results and increased outlook for 2026. I'm joined this morning by members of our senior management team including our CFO Maryanne Whitney who will first provide our forward-looking disclaimer and other housekeeping items.
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Maryanne Whitney0:50
Thank you, Ron, and good morning. The discussion during today's call includes forward-looking statements made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the US Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including forward-looking information within the meaning of applicable Canadian Securities Laws. Actual results could differ materially from those made in such forward-looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause actual results to differ discussed both in the cautionary statement in our July 22nd earnings release and in greater detail in waste connections filings with the US Securities and Exchange Commission and the Securities Commission or similar regulatory authorities in Canada. You should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements as there may be additional risks of which we are not presently aware or that we currently believe are immaterial which could have an adverse impact on our business. We make no commitment to revise or update any forward-looking statements in order to reflect events or circumstances that may change after today's date. On the call, we will discuss non-GAAP measures such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income on both a dollar basis and per diluted share and adjusted free cash flow. Please refer to our earnings releases for a reconciliation of such non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures. Management uses certain non-GAAP measures to evaluate and monitor the ongoing financial performance of our operations. Other companies may calculate these non-GAAP measures differently. I will now turn the call back over to Ron.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt2:18
Okay. Thank you, Maryanne. We are extremely pleased by the strength of our first half performance, which positioned us for an increase to our full year 2026 outlook with momentum for upside from improving trends in commodities and ongoing acquisition activity. Q2 growth of over 6% in both revenue and EBITDA exceeded our expectations in spite of the macroeconomic effects related to ongoing uncertainty in the geopolitical environment. Our results reflect continued benefits from both multi-year improvements in employee retention and record safety performance and more recent investments in AI technology all underpinned by disciplined operational execution. Most notably, adjusted EBITDA margin expanded to 32.8% on 70 basis points of underlying margin expansion, overcoming cost pressures primarily from rapidly spiking fuel and related costs in addition to ongoing drags from lower commodity values compared to last year's Q2.
Solid waste organic growth from total price of 6.7% in Q2 included core pricing of 5.6%, plus fuel and material surcharge charges of 1.1% which outpaced our expectations. On average yield of 4.6%, volumes were down 1.9% reflecting the ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty which has limited growth in the solid waste activity. Further, recent elevated fuel costs have impacted the pace and magnitude of construction related activity, some of which was paused during Q2. In addition, customer sensitivity to higher overall pricing resulting from fuel related surcharge charges likely exacerbated churn in certain markets. Acknowledging these dynamics, while special waste tons were down year-over-year in Q2, we have been impressed by activity in July, which may be an indication that the slowdown was temporary. Additionally, we were encouraged to see C&D tons up year-over-year in Q2 for the first time in 10 quarters with some projects continuing thus far in Q3.
Looking at other lines of business, we saw a slightly elevated seasonal ramp in E&P waste revenue in Q2, up 12% from Q1, and up 18% year-over-year. Organic E&P waste growth was led by the US, up 7% following a nominal pickup in rig count. Activity in Canada, while more production oriented and therefore considered less sensitive to crude values, was down nominally but about flat year-over-year when normalized for an outsized remediation project in the prior year. Looking next at trends for other commodities in Q2. Recycle commodity revenues stepped up sequentially for the second consecutive quarter with the overall basket up 10 to 15% from year end. Landfill gas sales have also improved, stepping up sequentially by 15% from Q1 as a result of both higher gas generation and higher values for renewable energy credits or RECs.
Looking at our renewable natural gas projects, we're pleased to report progress ahead of our expectations on the remaining development projects in 2026. Coming into the year with about a third of our RNG portfolio already operational, we have come through startup and ramp production at several other projects, including one owned facility brought online in July. RNG capital outlays are on track to be essentially complete by year end, and we expect that all plants will be operational by early next year. We're also tracking in line with our expectations with respect to the impacts for managing the elevated temperature landfill or ETLF event at Chiquita Canyon Landfill. As we described last quarter, we continue to make progress mitigating the reaction which is stable, controlled, and decelerating. There's no change to our projections regarding related free cash flow impacts to 2026 or our expectations for sequential decline in impacts in 2027.
Moving next to M&A, as expected year-to-date, we have completed acquisitions totaling approximately 100 million in annualized revenue, and we have another 30 million of exclusive model franchise transactions anticipated to close very soon during Q3. With almost half the year still ahead of us and dialogue ongoing, we remain on pace for what we would call another above average M&A year. We've also remained active buying back our own shares in what we consider an opportunistic environment. In our busiest year ever, we've deployed approximately 692 million year to date and bought back over 1.5% of shares outstanding pursuant to our normal course issuer bid which authorizes the repurchase of up to 5% of shares annually and which will be renewed in August. Following an active first half of the year, our leverage remains virtually unchanged at 2.76 times debt to EBITDA. As such, we retain flexibility for acquisitions and returning capital to shareholders through additional repurchases as well as another increase to our dividend, which we will consider when we undertake our annual review in October. And now we'd like to pass the call to Maryanne to review more in depth the financial highlights of the second quarter and to review the elements of our increased full year 2026 outlook and what that implies for the back half of the year. I will then wrap up before heading into Q&A.
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Maryanne Whitney8:06
Thank you, Ron. In the second quarter, revenue of 2.562 billion exceeded our expectations and was up $155 million or 6.4% year-over-year. Contributions from acquisitions net of divestitures totaled $46 million in the quarter. Organic growth in solid waste collection, transfer and disposal was led by 5.6% core price which ranged from about 4% in our mostly exclusive market western region to 7% in our competitive regions. Total price of 6.7% included 1.1% in fuel and material surcharge charges or approximately $25 million which represents the majority of the incremental direct costs in the quarter. We remain on track for full year core price at or above 5.5% with pricing for 2026 largely complete or otherwise known and expect to fully recover higher fuel costs over time through surcharge charges with the timing determined by the pace and magnitude of changes in diesel pricing. Yield of 4.6% was consistent with Q1 levels and continues to reflect the benefits from our AI price optimization tool deployed late last year. And solid waste volumes were down about 1.9% reflecting the following year-over-year results in the second quarter on the same store basis. Rolloff pulls were down 2% similar to recent quarters on rates per pull up 5% which is about 150 basis points higher than in the past several quarters, primarily resulting from surcharges. With the exception of our western region, pulls were down in all regions on sluggish construction activity and likely reflect some price volume trade-off following increased surcharge activity. A trade-off we're comfortable taking. Landfill tons were essentially flat, reflecting flat MSW and special waste down nominally on tough comparisons with C&D tons up 1% halting the downward trends we've noted and led by a 10% increase in our central region where we highlighted strong special waste activity in Q1. Adjusted EBITDA for Q2 as reconciled in our earnings release was 840.1 million up 6.8% year-over-year. At 32.8% of revenue, our adjusted EBITDA margin exceeded our expectations and was up 10 basis points year-over-year, driven by 70 basis points underlying margin expansion, offset by about a 40 basis point drag from fuel and another 20 basis points drag from lower commodity values. Our outsized underlying solid waste margin expansion reflected favorable price cost spread dynamics in spite of additional cost pressures indirectly related to fuel and was magnified by benefits from employee retention and safety, most notably savings in risk management costs which accounted for about half of our underlying margin expansion. And finally, year-to-date adjusted free cash flow of 773 million was in line with our expectations and consistent with our full year 2026 outlook for double-digit growth in adjusted free cash flow per share. Year-to-date capital expenditures of approximately $600 million, up more than 100 million year-over-year, were also in line with our expectations. CapEx outlays to date are following a more normalized cadence than last year when the pace of spending reflected slower progress on RNG projects and delayed fleet deliveries.
I will now review our updated outlook for the full year 2026 and provide some thoughts about what that implies for the back half of the year. Before I do, we'd like to remind everyone once again that actual results may vary significantly based on risks and uncertainties outlined in our safe harbor statement and filings we've made with the SEC and the Securities Commissions or similar regulatory authorities in Canada. We encourage investors to review these factors carefully. Our outlook assumes no change in the underlying economic trends. It also excludes any impact from additional acquisitions that may close during the remainder of the year and expensing of transaction related items during the period. Looking first at our updated outlook for the full year as provided for and reconciled in our earnings release. Given the strength of our performance in the first half of the year and updating for recent values for recycled commodities, RECs and fuel as well as acquisitions completed to date, we are increasing our full year 2026 outlook as provided in February as follows. Revenue is now estimated in the range of 10.02 billion to 10.055 billion, up 100 million to $120 million from February. Adjusted EBITDA for the full year is now estimated in the range of 3.33 billion to 3.34 billion, up from a range of 3.30 billion to 3.325 billion, putting full year margin in the range of 33.2% to 33.3%. As Ron noted, there is no change to our expectations for adjusted free cash flow for 2026 in the range of 1.4 billion to $1.45 billion, including impacts related to closure at Chiquita Canyon Landfill in the range of 100 million to 150 million and capital expenditures of 1.25 billion. The closing of additional acquisitions would provide upside to our increased 2026 outlook as would further improvement in commodities and related activity. Further movement in fuel prices and the timing of recovery of higher fuel costs will also continue to impact results.
Looking next at the quarterly margin cadence, adjusted EBITDA margin in the second half of the year is expected to average about 33.7% as implied by our full year outlook and could exceed 34% in Q3 depending on fuel and other commodities in the quarter. As noted earlier this year, the toughest quarterly comparisons are in Q4 when we would expect a more typical seasonal step down in margin than we experienced in 2025. And now, let me turn the call back over to Ron for some final remarks before Q&A.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt14:34
Thank you, Maryanne. As we have said, we're extremely pleased with our first half results and our increased outlook for the year. We believe the most challenging quarter for fuel recovery is behind us and we see potential for upside ahead from improving commodity related trends and incremental acquisitions along with the benefits we've enjoyed from improved employee retention and record safety performance. We've already seen the potential to unlock opportunities in AI-driven projects impacting our operations and we're reaching the inflection point on the outlays impacting our free cash flow conversion. Most notably, our RNG facilities moving from a capex headwind this year to a tailwind from contributions from operations next year along with a continued decline in cash closure outflows at Chiquita Canyon Landfill. In short, we're set up for double-digit adjusted free cash flow per share growth in 2026 and already looking ahead for more of the same in 2027. The consistency and predictability of our industry-leading results despite the macroeconomic backdrop reflects our differentiated approach and is ultimately a testament to operational excellence and fundamentals that define us. Safety, integrity, and customer service all make Waste Connections a great place to work. And we are most grateful for the dedication of our 25,000 plus employees, which is what truly sets us apart. We appreciate your time today. I will now turn this call over to the operator to open up the lines for your questions.
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Operator16:07
Thank you, Ron. We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star one again. Please pick up your handset when asking a question. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
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Tyler Brown16:39
Hey, good morning.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt16:41
Hi Tyler.
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Tyler Brown16:43
Hey Ron. I want to maybe pack a couple questions into one, but I first I just want to kind of come back to the competitive landscape. So I'm just curious, is the move in fuel causing some increases in churn? And what I mean by that are the smaller haulers who maybe don't have sophisticated surcharge mechanisms using your move in surcharges maybe as a pathway into new customers and is that frankly different than what you've seen in the past or is there any bigger changes in the competitive landscape? And then two, Maryanne, just what is the rollover impact from M&A in 2026 and would there be any lingering left over in 2027 based on what's closed? Thank you guys.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt17:26
So Tyler, I'll take the first part. Tyler, number one, I would say that we're not seeing anything different than historical with regard to fuel surcharges and churn activity. There's probably some nominal increase in the competitive activity because of the pace of this increase in fuel. We went from $60 to over $120 a barrel in a very short period of time. That would typically take six, eight months, took four to six weeks. And so the strategics, the public companies reacted very quickly as I think you see and will see. And the private companies react slower. They'll take three to nine months and eat it and use that as some competitive inroad. So I would say it's just that this was such a fast spike is what probably makes it look a little different. The longer this wears on, the less difference between those public and private companies will happen. So it's not anything material, but it probably counted for an additional 10 to 15 basis points of volume churn in the quarter related to that.
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Maryanne Whitney18:40
And then in response to the second question, even though you're violating the rules, Tyler, I'll be brief. The acquisition contribution, the rollover contribution the next year would be about $30 million. The increase to our full year outlook included an increase of about $50 million associated with 2026.
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Tyler Brown18:59
Okay, perfect. Thank you guys.
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Operator19:04
Your next question comes from the line of Kevin Chiang with CIBC. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Kevin Chiang19:13
Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just one on, you know, we're hearing a lot more on, you know, in Canada up to, you know, nation building projects, more energy infrastructure projects. And I guess when I think of your E&P Canada operations, just how you think that might benefit from this increased capex and how many idle facilities do you have today that could be reopened if activity does pick up in Western Canada here.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt19:42
Sure. Kevin, to the second part of your question first, there's still two to three idle facilities that could be reopened of the original five from when we acquired the secured vested assets up there in February of 2024. And so that would be the first part. And you know, look, there's a lot of discussion as you know better than we in Canada of increased energy production, various export pipeline construction from the country and throughout the country, and obviously we think we're extremely well positioned to benefit from that if and when it happens from all the operations that we've got there. But we have not yet seen that. As we said in our comments, Canada was relatively flat but coming off a very strong comp in Q2 of last year.
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Kevin Chiang20:47
Thank you for taking my question.
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Operator20:50
Of course. Your next question comes from the line of Fisa Ali with Gisha Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Fisa Ali20:58
Yes. Hi. Thank you. Good morning. Ron, you made some comments around the macro environment and the fact that you've been impressed with activity in July indicating that the slowdown is temporary. So maybe talk a little bit more about that. Is it broad-based pickup? Did the competitive environment improve? So just give us a little bit more perspective on what you saw differently in July versus what you saw in Q2.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt21:26
Yeah, first off, I don't want to overgeneralize. We had three weeks or so of July so far, but we have seen some continued pickup in both special waste and in several of our regions of C&D. MSW has been up nominally so far for the last four consecutive weeks which is an improvement relative to the May June time frame. Some of that can be timing, hard to understand. As you're hearing from other industrial service providers and equipment providers, there does seem to be an accelerating pickup in rental equipment and construction related equipment demand and activity, which would indicate that that is coming. We tend to probably lag because it takes time for that to start generating waste. But we're cautiously optimistic, but we have not baked any of that into our guidance that was just provided for the second half of the year.
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Fisa Ali22:36
Great. Thank you so much.
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Operator22:39
Your next question comes in the line of Jim Schum with TD Cohen. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Jim Schum22:48
Hey, good morning.
Could you just help me with the Chiquita accounting? You had a $58 million impairment there. Is that reflective of Q2 spend? And could you just give us an update on where you are in the Chiquita spend year to date versus your guidance?
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Maryanne Whitney23:21
Okay, so I'm happy to take that, Jim. First off, no, that is not indicative of the Q2 spend. What this is is the matching of the closure accrual liability to the projected run rate cash flow outflows. So as we move along, we true that up, but there is no change at all to our 100 to 150 million of cash outflows in 2026. And the stepping down of those in 2027 and again into 2028. This is purely the matching of the liability to the run rate is what that is. It's the difference between cash and GAAP accrual accounting.
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Jim Schum24:12
Got it. Okay. And Ron, would you be able to say where you're tracking year to date versus the 100 to 150 guidance?
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Ronald Mittelstaedt24:23
Well, we're tracking probably somewhere between the middle, 125 and 150 at this point in time. But comfortable in that range for the full year.
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Jim Schum24:34
Okay, great. Thank you very much.
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Operator24:37
Your next question comes from the line of Corner Gupta with Scotia Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Corner Gupta24:46
Thanks. Morning. Maryanne, just wanted to dig into the underlying margin trends for you guys. I understand obviously the comps are changing every quarter, but just seeing this trend where your underlying margin expanded about 150 basis points in Q4 of last year, then we saw 110 in Q1, now 70 in Q2. Is this deceleration in underlying margin expansion purely on the comps or is there something else we should be thinking about as we look into second half?
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Maryanne Whitney25:22
Sure. It really is about comps and what we've communicated with respect to the benefits from the employee retention and safety related margin drivers that we said there'd be about 100 basis points and then we came back around and said it's probably even north of that and that the final piece would be the risk component which would lag and you've now seen three quarters of 30 to 40 basis points benefit from risk. In addition, you saw the benefits from internalization. Last year, we talked about the benefits at Arrowhead for instance, we were internalizing more tons and our disposal costs were going down. So it really is just that we are now lapping or anniversarying those. And as you point out, Q4, I would argue, was anomalistic because you had a 100 basis points benefit just from between disposal and risk in Q4 last year. And so that's why when we describe the more typical step down, it really is with seasonality and that will impact Q4 as we expected when we gave our guidance at the beginning of this year. We're just reminding folks of that sequential decline that you'll see.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt26:31
And also last year in Q4 you anniversaried the closure of the Chiquita landfill. So that was a sequential step as well. So it is just comps as Maryanne said.
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Corner Gupta26:44
Thank you.
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Operator26:46
Your next question comes from the line of Tony Kaplan with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Tony Kaplan26:53
Thanks so much. I was hoping you could talk about free cash flow and the investments that you're making into fleet and landfills, RNG, and also whether the Chiquita outlays are relatively straight line across the quarters or if there's more seasonality on some quarters versus others.
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Maryanne Whitney27:16
I would say first of all with respect to the second part, I wouldn't place too much emphasis on exactly what outlays are in a given quarter. It can be lumpy for a variety of reasons. For modeling purposes, probably fine to do it kind of straight line. With respect to the Chiquita piece, more broadly to your question about capex, as we noted in our prepared remarks, our spending is trending in line with our expectations in terms of capex. We just pointed out that it's up year-over-year largely because of delays last year. And I'd say it's really ordinary course where you'd expect us to be investing in fleet and building out our landfills which are always the bulk of capex in any given year. Beyond that, RNG which you asked about, we've mentioned that there were $75 million in RNG that we expected this year and the update is we expect to spend that amount and therefore we expect that what's left on RNG in 2027 would be de minimis. We're essentially done with those capex outlays that we've talked about over a multi-year period and it's what is one of the drivers for the inflection in free cash flow in 2027. The absence of continued capex in RNG and the benefits from those projects coming online which we've mentioned we've already started to see this year, which we factored some of that into our expectations coming into the year and it's exceeded that, which is again one of the other drivers for the pickup in EBITDA from our previous guidance.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt28:49
And Tony, I would just add that you're always going to have in the second and third quarter your landfill construction projects capital and your facility construction project capital because you cannot do that in the winter months. And so we're going to put more truck purchases in the first, second, and beginning of the third quarter to offset and manage that flow more evenly and to get the trucks delivered early in the year to our field to impact the P&L.
variable and safety. So you know that that's sort of how we think through how capex flows.
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Analyst29:28
Thanks a lot.
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Operator29:30
Your next question comes from the line of Brian Bergmire with City. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Brian Bergmire29:38
Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Um, just on the updated outlook for 2026. I was just wondering if you can maybe frame your expectations for cost inflation, you know, just for wages, maintenance, repair, other items. Just um maybe what do you expect now versus the original guide in in February? You know, just kind of thinking about that net price driven margin expansion and how we should be modeling that in the second half.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt30:05
Sure. Sorry. The observation that I'd make. So first of all, in our guidance, we've maintained the underlying solid waste margin expansion in the range of 50 to 70 basis points. There's no change to that expectation. Really all that changed is we're acknowledging that fuel's a little more punitive than certainly we knew coming in in February. It's down 20 to 30 basis points and commodities are offsetting a portion of that because they've improved. So what that tells you about the underlying margin expansion is I would say that we're actually outperforming our original expectations because we'd acknowledge that there's cost creep in a number of areas indirectly related to fuel. Anything that's being delivered to us is more expensive than it was before you saw that spike in fuel. So broadly speaking, we came into the year thinking that cost pressures are kind of in that 3 and a half to 4% range. And the primary driver, of course, is wages, but these other pressures have creeped a little. And I'd say wages have behaved in line with our expectations, which is that the year-over-year increases were moderating slightly as we move through the year.
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Brian Bergmire31:18
Got it. Thanks a lot. I'll turn it over.
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Operator31:20
Your next question comes from the line of Jerry Reevich with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Andrew Ozion31:30
Hi, good morning. This is Andrew Ozion on for Jerry. Um, I just wanted to start off maybe with, you know, if we could outline some of the AI initiatives that are running through 27. Would you be able to walk us through where each of the initiatives are kind of sitting in their life cycle now and the EBITDA contribution captured to date?
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Ronald Mittelstaedt31:51
Yeah. Well, I'll take them in some broad buckets for you, Andrew. In 25 we fully deployed our AI linked what we call pro pricing commercial pricing tool and that is fully deployed by the fourth quarter of 25 and has yielded about $20 million of EBITDA improvement on a run rate basis at this point through 26. So that's number one. We are putting in what I would call a dynamic real time AI driven algorithm for routing. And we began beta testing or pilot testing that in late Q2 of 26 and that is not set to be fully deployed till the end of 27. So really not impactful to the P&L until 28. And as we go through 28 and 29, we expect roughly 40 maybe up to $50 million of route related savings from that initiative as we come through 28 and 29. And then we are beginning in the end of Q3 beginning in Q4 of this year 26 what we are doing is some AI technology we are putting in some agentic AI into our customer service approach and a mobile application for customers particularly residential customers and that will not begin being deployed until the second quarter of 27 and will be fully deployed as we come through the early part to the mid part of 28. And again, we're expecting probably somewhere in that 20 to $35 million initial cut is the impact from EBITDA. As we said, we're investing about $100 million in the AI related technologies across seven programs and we expect about 100 million dollars or 100 basis points which is about the same of improvement in EBITDA as we come through 28 into 29.
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Andrew Ozion34:12
I really appreciate all that quantitative breakout. That's great to hear. I guess secondly on special waste tons, we've seen a lot of improvement as of late. Can you talk about some of the verticals that are driving that strength and how you think about the durability of the contribution to both volume and margin into 27?
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Ronald Mittelstaedt34:33
Well, what I'd say is that we mentioned last quarter that we saw a pickup in special waste. We mentioned this quarter that there was actually a slowdown which is a reminder that it can be lumpy and that perhaps the spike in fuel put a little pause on some projects but that the demand is out there and ultimately it will come to market. Keep in mind that it's a very small piece. A couple of points of revenue is what special waste is, but it's more about being an indication of the underlying economy and the fact that there's some cyclical growth, which we just really haven't seen. And then similarly, C&D tons as we said, they were positive really for the first time in a couple of years. And that's encouraging. And it's not a surprise that it's in our central region where we saw high special waste in Q1, which should be an indicator of construction and demolition debris in subsequent periods.
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Operator35:32
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Murray with ATB Cormarmac Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Chris Murray35:42
Yeah, thanks folks. Um, maybe just taking a stab at thinking about actual conversion as we go into 2027. You referenced the fact that you've got some normalized spending coming over RNG maybe Chaita rolls off. How should we be thinking about between the margin improvement that'll start to develop and some of these things coming off? How do we think about the taxual conversion? Is there anything unusual to be thinking about as we start entering that period?
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Ronald Mittelstaedt36:11
Hi Chris, obviously it's early days to be talking with any specificity about 27, we'll look forward to giving guidance. But what we know now is that we have visibility on the RNG spends and so that's 75 million and so that informs our thinking. And we also have reiterated that the Chiquita outlays will be less in 27 than they were in 26. So again, those two pieces on their own certainly take us north of the 41 to 42% free cash flow conversion you see in the current period and gets us more in the direction of where we'd expect to land which would be in that 48 to 50% which is historically where we've been but for some periods where we were anomalistically higher. We've gotten as high as 52 or 53% but we would encourage people to think of more normalized between 48 to 50.
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Chris Murray37:06
Okay. And so there's no real expectation for special spend or anything like that. In fact, kind of it feels like 27 shaping up to be the first of a normal year and maybe a few in a row. Is that the right way to kind of frame it or think about it?
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Ronald Mittelstaedt37:21
That's fair. I mean, we've mentioned the AI spend continues. Again, that's not a big number, but ongoing spending there. But no, I think your observation that the lumpier piece, which was specifically RNG, is behind us.
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Chris Murray37:38
Okay, I'll leave it there. Thank you.
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Operator37:41
Your next question comes from the line of Trevor Romeo with William Blair. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Trevor Romeo37:49
Morning. Thanks for taking the question. I just had one on P5. I think there was a recent announcement about a new treatment facility you're working on at one of your landfills in North Carolina. I think you have a few other treatment plants at other landfills too. So question is, how are you thinking about being proactive and getting ahead of regulations versus being reactive? And can you just talk about the economics of building an on-site treatment plant versus sending leachate elsewhere and the return on that capital? Thank you.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt38:20
Yeah. Well, Trevor, I think the opening of a treatment plant in the Carolinas that we talked about, and that you're referencing, is an example of trying to be proactive versus reactive. It is an example of rising leachate costs at POTW related to PFAS and other requirements that are being put on by state and federal regulators. And so knowing that this is something we've been doing for four to five years quite honestly, we deploy multiple mobile relatively inexpensive technologies that, depending on which one we use, basically separates the PFAS and solidifies it through a foam fractionation process allowing us to ultimately bury it in the landfill and clean the leachate to a point of acceptable discharge. So these are internal projects. We're not out there marketing this to third parties. We will send landfills in surrounding areas that we have to this one and use it sort of as a hub to treat PFAS and it's ultimately a hedge against a rapidly rising leachate treatment cost at POTWs that is going on everywhere. We recognized this many years ago and started investigating and investing and deploying these technologies. So we have these at several of our sites. You'll see them continue to come at several more. They're sort of a normal course of capex at this point in time for us and they drop that treatment cost relative to third party quite significantly.
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Trevor Romeo40:08
Okay. Thank you very much.
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Operator40:11
Your next question comes from the line of Sabat Khan with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Bowman40:20
Hi, good morning. This is Bowman on the line for Sabah.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt40:24
Good morning.
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Bowman40:26
My question was more related to M&A activity. You already noted that you're going to have an outsized year. Can you talk a little bit about the type of assets that are in your pipeline? Kind of what's in the market today and what the cadence is for the back half of the year? Sure.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt40:41
Happy to. I mean, obviously the cadence will be determined by seller timing and getting through consents and the other typical closing procedures. But I think if you imagine that we've already talked about there's an additional 30 million that will be closing here over the next few weeks of exclusive franchises. There'll be additional that close throughout Q3 and then a normal course that will close in Q4 getting us to north of our outsized year or minimum year I would say. These are all typical singles and doubles waste connections deals in solid waste. There may be some one or two small E&P deals in there in either Canada or the US but these are traditional solid waste deals nothing varying from that. They are in both our competitive and our exclusive footprint, they are collection and transfer and processing and in some cases disposal. So what I would just call down the middle of the fairway M&A deals for Waste Connections that we believe compounds and creates the most value over time. So nothing abnormal coming in the pipeline the balance of this year or in the foreseeable future.
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Bowman42:11
Thank you. That's all the questions I had. I'll turn it back.
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Operator42:15
Your next question comes from the line of Toby Smer with Truist. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Toby Smer42:23
Thank you. I want to get your perspective on rail opportunities and how that integrates into the network. You've got experience in that arena and I wanted to get sort of your near term and longer term perspectives for how much that is going to grow as a component of your business.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt42:47
Sure. Thanks. Happy to, Toby. Well, first off, as we've said for quite some time, rail is today a fairly geographically central modality that is being used predominantly off the upper northeastern seaboard due to both limitations of available landfill capacity and expansion and the economics of higher tip fees in that region. So that continues to be the primary driver. We've grown our Arrowhead landfill rail network over the last two years by effectively 300% now and all of that is moving off the eastern seaboard from sort of New Jersey north through our intermodal facilities and we'll continue to grow that as we go forward. I mentioned on last quarter's earnings call that we would begin a rail project in the southeast. It is specific to Florida. It's specific to some disposal incineration issues that happened down in Miami Dade County and us and one of our public peers have been awarded long-term agreements to take volumes north of Miami in true north central Florida on rail at our landfills. We began that in mid to late Q2 and it's continuing to start to ramp in Q3 as we speak and will continue to do so throughout the balance of the year as that operation becomes smoother and the customer receives more and more rail cars from the supplier. So it's an opportunity that's now in the lower southeast due to a unique situation. You don't really see it being an opportunity in other geographies today. It has been an opportunity in the Pacific Northwest for a long time, for about 25 years now. A third of the waste in the upper northwest moves via rail. That will continue to expand over time. So this is never going to grow to be an enormous portion of our business but it certainly is a small portion that is growing nicely at this time.
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Toby Smer45:15
Thank you.
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Operator45:17
Your next question comes from the line of add. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Analyst45:25
Hi good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Um just on the core pricing yield spread, I think that improved again like sort of 30 bits from Q1, Q1 was 130 bits and this quarter were 100 bits. I understand there could be a mix kind of factor impacting that but could you just talk about maybe like the spread going forward if this is sort of a reasonable expectation and what makes your business so unique that the spread is so much better than your peers which usually report closer to 200 bits. Thank you.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt46:02
Sure. So with respect to the sequential differences, I would attribute those to mix. I would say that what you have always, of course, the difference between core price and yield will be mix and not just mix by line of business but also mix by geography. Dramatically different wins and losses in different markets. For instance, in the eastern part of the country versus the southeast. The other point being churn, which we said churn is an impact. And so I wouldn't encourage you to think that something improved in Q2 versus Q1. In fact, we've pointed out that we think the introduction or the increase in fuel surcharges has probably increased or exacerbated the churn we were seeing in the business. And I really can't speak to our peers and what they see in their business, but we would all always remind folks that our strategy is purposeful in thinking about the competitive intensity of markets and the ability to retain price. And so you would expect that as it has historically to impact how much price we keep, which is what you see in yield.
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Analyst47:11
Excellent.
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Operator47:13
Your next question comes from the line of Christina Betnik with BNP Paria. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Christina Betnik47:24
Good morning. Hi, this is Christina on for L. Thank you so much for taking our questions. So, I just have a quick one for you guys. Could you update us on the Seneca Meadows expansion that was filed recently earlier this month and where you guys kind of see the permitting timeline from here and how you guys are thinking of managing the airspace and volumes of the site in the meantime whether it be by rail or truck? Thanks.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt47:46
Sure. Let's take the second part of that first. We are managing the airspace there to make certain that we have adequate airspace for customers, external as well as internal, until we are able to get the expansion permit and construct the first expansion airspace. We are doing that both by rail and truck. We're moving some of our volumes out of Seneca down by rail through our network to Arrowhead and elsewhere to help manage those timelines. And so most of the volume into Seneca, of course, is all by truck. Secondly, the process is moving along well. We've had some very important recent legal victories and rulings and regulatory rulings in our favor. In fact, all of them at this point in time. And so we feel very good about it. But we're still working our way through a state technical process on the permit. And we would expect that relatively soon. But you're probably looking at somewhere closer to the end of this year or thereabouts for final achievement of that as our current expectations. There can be nothing guaranteed about this. This is a technical process. It is also a political process involved in it but the vast majority of the political and legal process we are through at this point in time.
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Christina Betnik49:22
Got it. Thanks so much.
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Operator49:24
Your next question comes from the line of John Windham with Union Bank of Switzerland. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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John Windham49:32
Generally referred to as UBS, but hey, thank you so much for taking the questions. And, you know, nice result, nice raise on the guidance. My question is around interest rates. The ten-year has been sort of steadily trending upwards. The way I've thought of a rising interest rate in the past is it further enhances your funding advantage compared to private players which could be helpful to both pricing and to M&A. Ron and Maryanne, I would love your thoughts on the impact of a rising rate environment. Thanks.
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Maryanne Whitney50:01
Sure. Hi John. Yeah, you know, I wouldn't disagree with you that we always feel good about being well positioned with respect to our balance sheet, our access to low-cost capital. We do think it is a differentiator and certainly as between publics and privates, privates are more impacted when you see rates rise and so I would agree with that. So it is a competitive advantage to us but the other factor that I'd point out is what interest rates do for instance to the more cyclical component of the business and the fact that that could be something discouraging growth and development which leads to more volumes. So there we'd be like everyone else in that the overall macro is arguably impacted by interest rates as well. So a double-edged sword.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt50:47
Yeah. And I would say John, to your comment, you are accurate. Look, we have always talked about there are at least three factors outside our control that help improve or decelerate external M&A from private companies. Rising interest rates help but they help for reasons different than you might think. They help because sellers perceive they can take their after-tax proceeds and reinvest in low volatility investments and derive the same or better lifestyle than taking it from their company. They can't do that in a low interest rate environment. So it helps in that way. Secondly, a rising tax rate helps because sellers fear of sitting in neutral on a net basis even after they grow their business several years. So that's an accelerant. Dropping lowering taxes is the reverse. And then the third is the macroeconomy. Sellers want to sell in a rising macroeconomic environment when they believe their business has fair and full value. So those are three things outside our control and that's how it affects M&A.
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John Windham52:01
Thank you so much.
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Operator52:04
Your next question comes to the line of Noah K with Oenheimer and Co. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Noah K52:11
Hey morning Ron, Maryanne, Joe and team. Thanks for taking the question. Just going back capital allocation. You spent I think 51 million on undeveloped land near existing facilities. That's the first time in 6 years. Anything strategic associated with that that you could help us understand for landfill expansion or something else. Maybe just give a little call there and then the follow on was just the incremental RNG contribution next year since you're already pacing ahead of your expectations for this year. Thanks.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt52:44
Sure. So, I'll start with the undeveloped land. No, that is strategic and it's opportunistic. Episodically we have the opportunity to buy something for future development and it's an example in this case of future development for facilities as opposed to landfills in a market in Florida that's been growing as a result of acquisition and other impacts and there's a unique opportunity real estate wise, an expensive real estate market with limited opportunities, and so that's what you saw in the $51 million purchase there. Secondly, with respect to RNG, the way I think about it is we've talked about this 100 to 150 million in contribution and kind of bucketed in thirds and that we're on the second of the third. So kind of two-thirds of the way in this year is what we're expecting. And so when we communicated in our outlook for the full year, we stepped it up partly because we're getting a little more, call it on the order of 15 to 20 million more in contribution from RNG this year than we had factored into our full-year guidance. And so the way we think about it, it leaves the final third next year. And I would also say final third with a little better margin contribution because we're absorbing a lot of the startup costs this year and so it's less impactful from a margin standpoint.
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Noah K54:09
Okay, great. Thank you so much.
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Operator54:12
Your next question comes from the line of Stephie Moore with Jeff. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
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Stephie Moore54:34
Sorry about that. I was indeed muted and then my headphones died. Welcome to the beginning of earning season. I think you know one question I think you know we keep getting quite a bit would just be on underlying volume per underlying volume performance. So I think you know there's a lot of moving pieces when you think about just what the overall health of the economy is doing, maybe even just industrial economy, and then also I think what is the industry's actions to be really considered about which type of volume you bring on. So maybe just to level set, how should we think about just the underlying volume growth of the industry with all those things and taking into account as you think over the next several years. Thanks.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt55:19
Sure. Well, I mean there's a lot of parts to that question you asked. I'll try to answer them as clear as we can. First off, historically, Stephanie, I would tell you that look, there's only two things that affect the underlying volume growth since everybody has what our industry does, whether they be commercial, residential, or otherwise. And that is true GDP spending, non-federal government spending in GDP, and population growth. So where are we in that cycle right now? Population growth is effectively zero, actually perhaps negative, and GDP in Q2 non-government spending was about 1.3%. So you start with, you can't be much better than 1% in total volumes if you're with that. If there's a little bit negative population growth, if you look at our western region, remember that's 100% exclusive, we get every drop of waste in our franchise, a customer cannot use anyone else residentially, commercially, industrially, manufacturing, and construction. We had 1% volume growth in Q1. So that's about as good as it gets in this economic environment. Last year that region had growth of 2 and a half to 3%. So it did step down some, at least as that as an indicator from last year at this point. That region typically runs between 2 and 3 and a half%. So if you're getting everything, which doesn't happen in competitive markets, that's where your cap is. The public companies, the strategic companies have been very consistent on price cost spread and not being all things to all people. There are segments of this business that the privates are very good in. They live on a 5 to 10% EBITDA margin. That is not a margin the public companies are looking at. And so, the public companies are not pursuing a residential subscription, they're not pursuing low price HOAs and municipal residential contracts. That's where the privates are getting a lot of their growth, both small privates and private equity companies. And we're happy to let them have that. That's not a business that we can convert to a 30 to 35% EBITDA business. So, you're going to see that volumes are going to be somewhat flat to negative unless there's a macro change. And I think the market would see that's okay. If margins are moving up and volumes are nominally negative, you should be happy. If margins are moving backwards when volumes are negative, well then there's some tradeoff happening that's not worth it. That's not where we're at as a company or as an industry on the publicly traded side, I would argue. So again, not all EBITDA is created equally and not all volumes are created equally and we don't want all volumes and I think that's really important to understand.
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Stephie Moore58:45
Thanks Ron. Really appreciate all the insight.
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Operator58:48
There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Ron Mittelstaedt for closing remarks.
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Ronald Mittelstaedt58:55
Well, if there are no further questions, on behalf of our entire management team, we appreciate your listening to and interest in the call today. Maryanne and Joe Box are available today to answer any direct questions that we did not cover that we're able to cover under Regulation FD, Regulation G, and applicable securities laws in Canada. Thank you again and we look forward to connecting with you at an upcoming investor conference or on our next earnings call.
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Operator59:23
This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.