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Paolo D'amico
Chairman of the Board, d'Amico International Shipping

Class CNBC Focus Trimestrali: d'Amico International Shipping commenti ai risultati Q3 & 9M 2023

🎥 Nov 13, 2023 📺 d'Amico Channel ⏱ 9m 👁 151 views
Il dott. Paolo d'Amico commenta i risultati finanziari trimestrali Q3 & 9M 2023 con Carla Signorile per Class CNBC.
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Host0:05
Welcome back to all viewers, all viewers of CNBC. Quarterly Focus: we talk about shipping. So we talk about large ships, large tankers, because our guest is Dr. Paolo D'Amico, CEO of d'Amico International Shipping. A pleasure to have him with us. We hear Dr. D'Amico. So Dr. D'Amico will now comment on these data for the first nine months: the company reported a net profit of $148.7 million, up from $62.8 million in the same period of 2022, a change attributable to the greater strength of the tanker market. Tell us how it went, here you see a tanker, our production promptly gives you an idea. Tell us how these first nine months went, how you achieved this result. Welcome back.
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Paolo D'Amico1:00
First of all, thank you. So, a series of decisive things happened. First, in February, sanctions and related price caps on petroleum products leaving Russia came into effect. Now, I recall that Russia was Europe's largest supplier of diesel, and clearly this created the situation where Europe no longer bought diesel from Russia but went to buy it much further away: it went to buy it in the United States, the Middle East, India, and some cargoes even in China. And Russia, in turn, had to sell its diesel in Africa, Turkey, the Middle East, and South America. The moral of the story: the routes lengthened terribly, and this created an increase in demand for tankers. Here we are talking about refined products, as we were saying. The second element is that the Panama Canal, due to drought, reduced passage frequencies and thus created queues that reached up to a month of waiting to pass from one side to the other, from the Atlantic to the Pacific and vice versa. And this inefficiency obviously removed capacity from the market: many ships were stranded in these queues, taken out of market availability, and this was another element of increase in rates. Then, clearly, there were extremely strong refining margins, first on gasoline and then on diesel during these nine months, so refineries were very pushed to refine mainly gasoline and diesel, whose prices became extremely volatile and increased significantly. This created the conditions for strong arbitrages. When this happens, there are large movements of products from one side to the other, from East to West. Moreover, the West, mainly Europe, closed much of its refining capacity, so it depended heavily on China, India, and the Middle East for its supplies. All of this, on average, in its combination, created the increase in demand that led to these results.
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Host4:06
So, if this is the past, Dr. D'Amico, let's broaden our view to the horizon also for 2024. You mentioned China, and we talk a lot about China in deflation, but the International Monetary Fund revises upward its GDP for this year and for 2024 to 4.6%, and a recession situation, as Mario Draghi also said in recent hours for Europe. But we also look at oil price cuts. Essentially, you previously mentioned diesel from Saudi Arabia and Russia. Do all these factors worry you? What are the prospects for 2024 for the shipping world?
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Paolo D'Amico4:45
Well, I would say, I would say that there is no need to worry. There is a need to be careful, without a doubt, to take hedges where hedges make sense, and we have done that and continue to do so. Clarkson, one of the largest shipbrokers in the world, forecasts an increase in ton-miles, which basically indicates the quantity transported over distance. So the longer the distance, the more demand there is, and it sees a 7% increase, which is not insignificant at all. And so, what happens is that a possible recession could be greatly offset by a longer and more distant flow, thus giving stronger demand. If China then consumes less, it will mean that China will have more refining capacity available for export cargoes, because we do not look at China for refined products, we do not look at China as importers of crude, but as exporters of products. And if it refines less for its domestic market, it will refine more for export cargoes. Now, China is far from everything: it is far from Europe, it is far from the United States, and so it could be extremely valid as a factor for our market. It could be an extremely positive element. Another thing to consider: if Panama becomes a problem, and it is becoming a problem because it continues to reduce the number of daily transits, everything on the West Coast, i.e., the western coast of the Americas, from Canada down to Tierra del Fuego, will have to be supplied. Previously it was supplied from Texas and Louisiana; now it will have to be supplied from Korea, Japan, China, so even longer routes. Certainly. So I feel like saying that 2024 will be a good year. How good is yet to be seen, but certainly positive.
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Host7:05
And so, in light of what you have told us, I would like to conclude our chat, Dr. D'Amico, with the topic of remuneration to your shareholders. You spoke about it and said there is a dividend remuneration of $22 million carried out in the second quarter of 2023, and you have bought back treasury shares for an amount of $6.7 million since the beginning of the year. Today you declared an interim dividend of $20 million that will be paid by the end of this month. So can you explain, in summary, what you are promising to those who have invested in your shares, in the shares of D'Amico International Shipping?
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Paolo D'Amico7:40
We have always said that our policy was based on two things: first, debt reduction, and therefore leverage reduction, which we have regularly carried out. And second, distribution in line with leverage reduction, distribution to shareholders. We have started today to do something we did not do in the past, namely to pay an interim dividend. But since we had the elements to do it, we wanted in a way to reward shareholders thanks to the results we have achieved. If we continue to achieve results on this model, we will continue to achieve positive results in this way, and it is something we will continue to do in the future. Are acquisitions planned in the future, perhaps even with paper against paper, with a buyback? No, no acquisitions for the moment. In 2024 we will begin to review the renewal of the fleet, so investments in fleet renewal.
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Host8:52
Thank you very much to Dr. Paolo D'Amico, CEO of d'Amico International Shipping, our welcome guest on our Quarterly Focus. Good work, Dr. D'Amico, thank you, thank you.
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Paolo D'Amico9:04
Infinite thanks to all of you.
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Host9:07
That's all for our quarterly focus of today.