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Kyle Clark
Founder and Chief Executive Officer, BETA Technologies, Inc.

Beta Technologies Earnings Call LIVE | Q4 2025 / Full-Year 2025!

📅 Mar 09, 2026 The Hustle Brothers 64 MIN 417 VIEWS 95 SEGMENTS · 11 SPEAKERS
Beta Technologies ($BETA) Q4 2025 / Full-Year 2025 earnings LIVE coverage & real-time debrief with Liam from The Hustle Brothers – the #1 eVTOL coverage channel on YouTube. Earnings release and webcast scheduled for March 2026 – join live as we react to the call, key financials, guidance, Alia family updates, and what it means for BETA stock in 2026. Live coverage includes:Alia platform progress: A250 VTOL & CX300 CTOL flight test miles (100,000+ nm demonstrated), MV250 unmanned hybrid testing, FAA certification timeline (late 2026/early 2027 for CTOL, VTOL follow-on) Manufacturing & scali...

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  1. 34:24Can you talk about how much the incremental capital changed your plan and your business model?
  2. 36:50I mean, how many flights, like what could this look like in the summer and what could this look like in three years?
  3. 39:15How should we think about the potential investment that would be required if things end up being very successful with EIPP?
  4. 43:21Can you talk about some of the drivers of this and line of sight to that?
  5. 46:33I mean, what could it look like if you went on the charger side, on the aircraft side, or both?
  6. 51:20Do you foresee multiple OEMs participating in each project simultaneously?
  7. 55:20Is that the right way to think about it?
  8. 58:00And then, did I hear you correctly that on EIPP, you might fly CTOL and VTOL aircraft, or, you know, I guess my thinking was it would mostly be CTOL, but is there a possibility for VTOL flying in this program as well this year?
Host 0:01 ↗
Right guys, how are we getting on? We're here for Beta Technologies Q4 2025 earnings call, and this is going to be for the full year of 2025. Look, I've been rushing around absolutely all morning to try and get back for this. Dylan, I can see you in the chat there. Remember I said it was at 1:30 p.m. my time. I would have been well off. I was checking half two my time, but it's not. It's actually 12:30 my time here. So, I've been on the farm rushing around. But what I want to do, I want to do a mic check. Can anyone hear me? Jump into the comments and let me know. Can you hear me? And I will just get this all set up now.
I can see the earnings have just came out within the last half an hour. Beta Technologies currently pre-market is down 3.48%. Now, look, oil last night ran all the way up to $1.14. It's came down to about 104 at the moment, but the whole market seems to be pulling back. What I'm going to do, I am going to bring up the earnings results now quickly just before the call starts. Ideally, I would have liked to have been here a little bit before, but it is what it is.
Here we go. So, Beta Technologies announces Q4 2025 earnings. So, Kyle Clark, president and chief executive officer, commented 2025 was a defining year for Beta. The end of the public markets backed by world-class investors and strong support from strategic partners demonstrate the capabilities in the air to customers, partners, and regulators reaching a total of 100,000 nautical miles flown. We sustained the momentum through certification milestones across the family of aircraft. And guys, remember they have multiple aircraft. If we want to break it down simply, we're going for the VTOL Alia and the CTOL Alia. That is vertical takeoff and conventional takeoff.
They've continued the expansion of their charge network domestically and internationally and added to their commercial aircraft and component backlog with a healthy balance sheet and clear milestones ahead for 2026, they're set to maintain their commanding lead in electric aviation.
So, going across the business highlights, the record-setting flights and global demonstrations. So, they conducted demonstration flights with their customers in Norway and New Zealand, and that's what we've been covering on EVTOL Weekly, and performed in the Paris Air Show and Oshkosh. They completed the first all-electric passenger flight to New York JFK Airport and have set multiple world records in the Pulitzer Air Race.
They progressed the H500A electric engine certification testing, completed the build and FAA conformity inspections of the H500A test units to support FAA certification testing of the H500A electric engine. Program on track for FAA type certification in the first half of 2026.
They've expanded their charge network. So, they're continuing expansion of charge network domestically and internationally, grown current total sites to 107, of which 57 of them sites are active.
They've built upon high-quality backlog for both aircraft and components. As of December 31st, Beta had an existing commercial aircraft backlog with world-class operators of 891 aircraft worth approximately 3.5 billion, of which 289 are firm orders. 602 are options. Additionally, Beta was selected to supply its motors to Eve Air Mobility, a 10-year opportunity worth $1 billion.
They did deepen strategic partnerships. So, they continued to build upon existing relationships with leaders in the aerospace and defense, including GE Aerospace, General Dynamics, Applied Physical Services, and Eve Air Mobility, moving towards new phases of each partnership. Do jump in the comments and let me know how you're feeling about Beta's earnings so far. We have said they're down 3%, but again, the whole market is pulling back due to the price of oil at the moment.
Advanced autonomous flight capabilities. So, they completed the first Alia CTOL, and that is the conventional takeoff and landing aircraft, built to advanced capabilities for autonomous flight. Beta has received more than 4 million of project funding provided through a contract with the US Army Combat Capabilities Development Command. They're positioned to start US aircraft deliveries in partnership with multiple states. Beta expects to deploy its aircraft to advance operations in communities worldwide while expanding the use of Beta's charge network through the EVTOL integration pilot program.
So, with their financial highlights, financial year 2025 revenue was 35.6 million with a net loss of negative 745.9 million. The adjusted EBITDA was negative 304.1 million. So, the revenue for the quarter ended in December 31st were 11.1 million compared to 4.4 million for the quarter ended in 24.
Product revenues and services, or product revenues and service revenue for the quarter ending in December 25 were 4.4 million and 6.7 million respectively. Revenues for the year ended December 25 were 35.6 million compared to 15.1 million for the year ended December 31st. Project revenues, or product revenues and service revenues for the year ended December 31st were 12.4 million and 23.2 million respectively. The increase in product revenues was due to deliveries of Beta motors and other enabled technologies in both the quarter and the year ended December 31st. Sorry guys, it's early in the morning for me here.
The increase in service revenues was driven by engineering and service contracts with commercial and government customers and charge network access fees in both the quarter and the year ended December 31st, 25. Operating expenses for the quarter and the year end, I'm just going to say December 25, were 141.7 million and 398.4 million respectively. Operating expenses including research and development expenses of 89.4 million and 259.9 million for the quarter and full year respectively.
Non-cash warrant expenses related to both the collaborative arrangement with GE Aerospace of 5.8 million and 6.1 million respectively was embedded in research and development expenses in both the quarter and year ended December 25. Investments in research and development enabled their certification programs and the further advancement of their enabling technologies.
For the quarter and the year ended December 25, net loss was negative 150 million and 749 million respectively. For the quarter and year ended December 25, adjusted EBITDA was negative 103.5 million and negative 304.1 million respectively. Capital expenditures for the quarter ended December 25 were 19.8 million compared to 21.8 million for the quarter ended December 24.
Capital expenditures for the year ended December 25 were 45.4 million, down slightly to 3.5 million for the year ended December 24. Cash and cash equivalents totaled 1.7 billion as of December 31st, 2025 compared to 301.4 million December 24 as a result of successful private financing and proceeds from their IPO.
So, the financial outlook, I'm going to quickly burst through this with about 2 minutes. Beta currently expects full year 26 revenues to be in the range of 39 to 43 million and the full year 2026 adjusted EBITDA range of negative 305 to negative 395. Beta's now reconciling their forward-looking adjusted EBITDA guidance because certain items that impact that... You know what? I am going to jump straight across to the earnings. We don't want to miss that.
Right, guys. I need your help here. Can you hear this music when apparently it's on for too long? What's up, everyone? Here we go. Seems to be a lot of banging and clattering. Okay. No, it's not bad music.
Doing well, so everyone. Hope everyone's having a great morning so far. Until now I was rushing around the farm this morning trying to get back for this. I wanted to get it done while I could. Look, I'm not invested in Beta Technologies. I'm quite excited about the cargo side, but look, I think with current battery technology, I think it's pretty hard to do the vertical takeoff and landing. Imagine that, rap music on an earnings call. Mic is good. Thank you, my guy. What did I miss? You haven't missed much to be fair. I've just been banging on about Beta's earnings. So far, the revenue was up. I think they did miss EPS. If someone could check for me quickly what their EPS was, that would be very much appreciated.
I'm going to jump across. I'm looking. I don't think there was anything we weren't particularly aware of. The $1 billion deal over 10 years with Eve, that may be new, but for any of you that are invested in Beta Technologies, you may say I am wrong with that. I'm trying to see how markets seem to be absolutely insane at the moment. Guys, I wouldn't listen to any of that noise happening on X. Last night it seemed to be the absolute end of the world. If you read X.
Warren 13:26 ↗
Welcome to the Beta Technologies fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results conference call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. I will now hand the call over to Devin Rothman, head of investor relations. Please go ahead.
Devin Rothman 13:55 ↗
Thank you, Warren, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for Beta Technologies fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call. Joining me today are Kyle Clark, our founder and chief executive officer, and Herman Cudo, our chief financial officer. Following their prepared remarks, we will open the call for Q&A where Kristen Costello, our head of government and regulatory affairs, will also join us. Earlier today, we issued a press release announcing our fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results as well as our outlook for 2026. We also published our investor presentation, which is available on the investor relations section of our website.
Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that today's discussion will include forward-looking statements. These statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Please refer to our filings with the SEC for a discussion of these risks. We will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings materials. With that, I'll turn the call over to Kyle.
Kyle Clark 15:12 ↗
Thanks, Devin, and good morning, everyone. The fourth quarter was a strong finish to a defining year for Beta. In 2025, we showed up in the air and with our customers and regulators and in the capital markets. We did so in a way that reflects the discipline and pragmatism that define this company. We achieved several milestones in 2025 that materially advanced certification, commercialization, and defense.
We made meaningful progress across our certification programs with three notable achievements. We earned a Part 35 type certification for our propeller in partnership with Hartzell. We closed our G1 certification basis on the A250 vertical takeoff and landing aircraft. And we began flight credit testing on our Part 33 motor.
We advanced our commercial efforts with successful customer deployments both domestically and internationally. We flew our aircraft across Europe and we opened the Paris Air Show. We flew to Oshkosh. We set multiple world records and we won the Pulitzer Air Race. We flew the first all-electric passenger flight in and out of JFK Airport. We completed our phase one contract with General Dynamics and our defense programs continue to grow.
We also launched our strategic partnership and joint technology development program with GE. In 2025 and continuing to 2026, we are seeing significant regulatory tailwinds. In December, Department of Transportation released the AAM national strategy, which is very much aligned with Beta's strategy. Congress continues to invest in our future. Recently, through the introduction of the bipartisan legislation titled the Aviation Innovation and Global Competitiveness Act, which will bring increased transparency to the FAA's policy and guidance development in certification programs, which is most important for AAM technologies.
This outlines a partnership between the FAA and industry that improves the predictability of their deliverables, helping with our planning while preserving the agency's gold standard for safety and oversight.
Looking ahead to 2026, we are awaiting the announcement of the EVTOL integration pilot program or EIPP, which is being led by the FAA and US Department of Transportation. Following an executive order issued in June of 2025, this program will likely allow for early commercial operations of electric aircraft. This has the potential to be a huge opportunity for Beta by advancing our entire business model by more than a year.
Already, the proposal process has highlighted excitement for electric aviation across the country with commercial operators, local governments, and in rural communities. We expect selection announcements very shortly. This program presents a different opportunity to each company. Uniquely for Beta, it's not only the airplane deployments, but also the charge network, which will significantly expand over the next 3 years.
We have submitted applications touching 41 states for different types of use cases including cargo, medical, and passenger in both our CTOL and VTOL aircraft. Beta is uniquely positioned to capitalize on this opportunity for a few reasons. First, the FAA will prioritize safety through system and aircraft maturity. We have more real-world operational experience flying electric aircraft with customers than the rest of the industry combined. Our aircraft have flown nationwide supporting cargo, medical, and passenger missions in busy airspace and in all weather, backed by a complete ecosystem of pilot training, maintenance, safety, and the reliability required for commercial operations.
Second, we own and operate the only UL certified aircraft charging network. EIPP represents a major opportunity to accelerate the expansion of this network. Additionally, as the only existing charge network, we're partnering with other OEMs to identify priority charging sites required to support their proposed future EIPP missions as well. This advances our strategy to maintain ownership of the network that controls the flow of energy into electric aviation.
Third, communities across the country have identified how our aircraft can meet their transportation needs today. We are honored to have our aircraft named in more applications than any other company in the industry, and we look forward to continuing to deliver for our nation, our partners, and our investors.
When we last spoke in December, I laid out five key performance indicators that we believe are the most effective and transparent way to track our progress. Starting with our backlog, 2025 was a commercial win for Beta for aircraft, but more uniquely in the sale of motors and other technologies to partners like Embraer Eve and General Dynamics. Over the course of the year, we added over $1 billion to our commercial aircraft backlog and separately an additional $1 billion to our backlog of enabling technologies. Our current aircraft backlog sits at 891 aircraft in firm and option orders backed by a financial commitment. By the end of the year, we expect our commercial aircraft backlog to top $4 billion and to steadily increase our enabling technologies backlog.
Next, we topped 125,000 nautical miles flown, a significant increase since last time we spoke. These miles are a demonstration of the safety and reliability of our CTOL and our VTOL aircraft. We believe this simple metric of airplanes doing what they are designed to do, to fly, will continue to differentiate Beta within AAM. For 2026, our goal is to hit a quarter million nautical miles flown.
Third, for our charge network, we've activated two new sites since we last spoke and focused the permit applications for additional sites in preparation for our EIPP and customer-driven network growth. Our goal for 2026 is to reach 150 total charge sites.
Fourth, on production, we're focused on building conforming articles for the first half of this year before ramping to four and a half aircraft per month by the end of the year. These conforming articles directly support certification, which takes us to our next KPI.
We made meaningful progress across our three certification programs, particularly on our H500A electric engine. When we last spoke, we had completed the build and FAA conformity inspection of two electric engines. By the end of 2025, we completed the build and FAA conformity inspection on 11 propulsion systems, resulting in a complete set of test assets plus spares. Consistent with our certification strategy, we've started with the highest risk and longest duration test first and have completed one of the most demanding and long duration tests, the durability test, which involved 1,000 hours of run time through a variety of environments and intermediate inspections. Endurance testing, which similarly places the same stress on the engine, is well underway. We're continuing to make progress across the remaining certification test areas as well.
Additionally, something less talked about but critical to achieving type certification is software testing. We are 85% complete requirements-based software testing with a projected completion date of these tests by the end of April.
In our CTOL program, we are now substantially complete with our means of compliance in the requirements definition phase of the project. We've completed 98% of the regs covered in the DDS collector. All but two issue papers are closed, and those remaining have been agreed to and are in the final stage of documenting the closed position. We've also made strides in the compliance planning, having submitted 17 of 20 total certification plans with nine already accepted, enabling the start of early test activities and solidifying the plan for the road to TIA and type certification.
Planning for certification test activities has also started with the FAA accepting six structural test plans and 12 flight test plans. Preliminary safety assessments have been reviewed with the FAA as part of our preparation for type inspection authorization, our TIA. Our VTOL program is benefiting from our CTOL program work on means of compliance and certification plans, all of which we plan to reuse at a significant level. This transferability is enabled by the commonality of our CTOL and VTOL aircraft. We don't mark our progress until our partners at the FAA have accepted and approved our work. Our A250 engineering flight test program is continuing out of our Plattsburgh, New York facility. We're making steady progress and collecting an immense amount of data on the performance of our lift propulsion systems that support our certification efforts.
Shifting to defense, the January 2026 executive order prioritizing the warfighter in defense contracting is an urgent directive to defense primes to identify and engage with advanced agile American companies that have proven ability. We have been approached by three prime defense contractors and are evaluating these opportunities. We've completed phase one of our programs both with General Electric and with General Dynamics, and we hit our deliverables with Army DEVCOM. These programs were an excellent demonstration of Beta's capabilities. We are working towards the next phases, which presents significantly higher revenue opportunities.
Additionally, in response to growing demand signals for low-cost, flexible unmanned assets, we have accelerated our MV250 program by 6 months. Our partnership with GE and our ability to scale production rapidly puts us in the position to meet the nation's defense needs. The military is supporting this effort and has funded our development of autonomy and hybridization technology with a contract from the US Army Combat Capabilities Development Command, known as DEVCOM. Each of our aircraft have been designed with acute self-awareness and a set of capabilities to unlock autonomous operations. The fly-by-wire system, which our Beta-developed flight controllers are the foundation of, can natively receive control inputs from a computer instead of a human. This is a key differentiator from other autonomous aircraft because nothing needs to be redesigned or fundamentally altered to be flown without anyone at the controls.
We delivered a full ship set plus spares of lift and pusher electric engines to Eve, allowing them to successfully fly their VTOL aircraft. We've been working closely with the amazing team at Eve and have mutually benefited from this relationship.
This year will be defined by conforming aircraft, earning the first FAA type certification for our propulsion systems, more defense work, ramping production, and deploying aircraft and charge systems into commercial operations. We don't expect any of this to be easy, but the team here at Beta has the grit to do the hard work and a clear vision. Herman, you're up.
Herman Cudo 27:01 ↗
Thanks, Kyle, and good morning, everyone. Before turning to our results, I want to begin with a broader industry perspective. We are operating in one of the most constructive policy and regulatory environments our sector has seen in decades. The current administration has placed significant emphasis on domestic manufacturing, advanced air mobility, and next-generation defense technologies. That focus is accelerating regulatory engagement, unlocking public-private collaboration, and reinforcing the strategic importance of advanced technologies manufactured in the US.
Within advanced air mobility in particular, we are seeing meaningful federal alignment around certification, infrastructure development, and early deployment frameworks. EIPP is a tangible example of that momentum. Here at Beta, consistent execution remains our foundation, and we continue to deploy capital with discipline and focus. Throughout 2025, the team demonstrated its ability to capitalize on opportunities with some of the most defining players in aerospace and defense, including GE, General Dynamics, and Embraer Eve. Each of these relationships carry significant long-term potential, and we are already realizing financial results.
Eve is a great example of that. What began as the delivery of several motors to support their flight test campaign evolved into an order worth up to a billion dollars. Some of the demand we saw for our defense propulsion technologies came in the form of our selection as a partner for next-generation undersea vehicle applications. Our consistent execution and performance have strengthened our credibility and positioned us for additional work with favorable margins and durable long-term revenue.
I am pleased to report full-year revenue of $35.6 million for 2025, exceeding expectations and driven by stronger than expected component sales. This represents more than double our 2024 revenue of $15.1 million. Operating expenses in 2025 totaled $398 million compared to $283 million in 2024. This included $260 million in research and development and $138 million in general and administrative expense.
Adjusted EBITDA for 2025 was negative $304 million, ahead of expectations and reinforcing our track record of disciplined expense management while advancing critical certification and commercialization milestones. For reference, 2024 adjusted EBITDA was negative $243 million. We ended the year with approximately 1.7 billion dollars in cash, providing us with one of the strongest balance sheets in our industry and supporting our certification and commercialization roadmap.
We invested $45.4 million in CapEx in 2025 versus $73.5 million in 2024. Investments were primarily in support of certification and production readiness, reflecting our continued progress in manufacturing maturity and vertical integration. One consistent observation from analysts and investors visiting our manufacturing facility is the maturity of our production lines. We are producing both CTOL and VTOL aircraft on two common lines in a facility designed to build up to 300 aircraft per year. This reflects the substantial investment already completed and positions us to scale efficiently as certification milestones are achieved.
Looking ahead to 2026, we remain focused on disciplined capital allocation. We expect revenues between 39 million dollars and 43 million dollars driven by the continued ramp of long-term strategic partnerships established in 2025. We expect adjusted EBITDA in the range of negative 305 million to negative 395 million as we advance certification, expand production capability, and support early commercial deployments.
Given our strong balance sheet, we are accelerating elements of our vertical integration strategy into 2026. This primarily reflects a pull forward of planned investments to bring key manufacturing capabilities in-house earlier and improve long-term margin profile. With that acceleration, we expect total CapEx in 2026 to be in the range of 175 million to 225 million.
To provide additional context for modeling, we expect first quarter revenue to be in the range of 7 million to 10 million, reflecting the early stage ramp of several programs that we expect to accelerate as the year progresses. We have been procuring long lead materials. We expect the first quarter adjusted EBITDA to be outsized and in the range of negative 95 million dollars to negative 110 million dollars. This investment supports the build and the advancement of our MV-250 hybrid VTOL aircraft, our VTOL and conforming CTOL aircraft.
With respect to the EIPP, award selections have not yet been announced and the associated agreements will need to be negotiated. Since we do not have award visibility and negotiations are dependent on each award, we have not included any EIPP-related investments in our 2026 guidance.
Kyle Clark 33:19 ↗
Should we be selected as an EIPP award recipient, we would update our guidance to reflect the associated capital deployment. Our balance sheet positions us to execute rapidly should those awards materialize, but until formal notification and contractual clarity are achieved, our outlook remains independent of EIPP. With that, we are ready to open the call for questions.
Host 33:51 ↗
We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Please pick up your handset when asking a question. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Your first question comes from Kristine Liwag with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Kristine Liwag 34:24 ↗
Morning, everyone. Kyle, you visited me last week in San Francisco. I was wondering, with the IPO proceeds, you were able to raise more than double the capital you initially thought you would. Can you talk about how much the incremental capital changed your plan and your business model?
Kyle Clark 34:43 ↗
Sure. I mean, fundamentally it did not change our business model at all. It allowed us to advance a few things, though. We've increased our investment in vertical integration, specifically around things that we did not previously call core enabling technologies, but have become clear that we need to be world-class at. So, in the past, fully vertically integrated on the motors, the propulsion systems, the batteries, the controls, the software, and we've extended that outward to have full vertical integration on the structures and other big bone elements of the aircraft. So, that's one big investment in vertical integration. And the second thing is really pulling in our MV-250. With the proceeds, I think partially a product of these large engagements we've had with General Electric and General Dynamics and Embraer. And those not only created the proceeds, but they also created really, really clear and valuable partnerships. In the turbo generator with GE, having clarity and confidence of the propulsion systems for the MV-250, couple that with the structure and a large reuse of the A250 components allowed us to pull that in. So, the financial investment in pulling in the MV-250 fundamentally advances that portion of our business model as compared to what we outlined in the IPO, which is a direct result of the proceeds. Herman, do you have anything on that?
Herman Cudo 36:08 ↗
Good morning. How are you? Just maybe two points I would want to emphasize. So, when we were together in September of 2025 and we were going through the analyst model, we had CapEx in 2026 for about 70 million and in 2027 about 130 million. So, the 200 at the midpoint that we're talking about is really just a pull in of the 2027. So, none of this is new spend. It's all contemplated spend. It's just pulling it in by about a year. And as we had talked about, the strong balance sheet puts us in the perfect position to do this.
Kristine Liwag 36:50 ↗
Great. Thanks, Kyle and Herman. And following up, Kyle, in your prepared remarks, you mentioned that the EIPP program pretty much brings forward the business model one year. Can you talk about what would be the most desired outcome out of EIPP? I mean, how many flights, like what could this look like in the summer and what could this look like in three years?
Kyle Clark 37:14 ↗
Sure. I mean, just a couple points on that. The EIPP program isn't just about aircraft for us. You know, it starts with the revenue and the clarity that we're already getting on the charging system deployments and the engagement with our customers. Remember, BETA's model is to sell the airplane directly to customers. So, that really accelerated the engagement with those customers on things that are maybe a little less obvious like service, maintenance, training, and all-weather operations and getting to cadence with the aircraft earlier than we expected. But on the business model itself, which is really interesting, is that our baseline business model had completion of type certification and then all of those materials would go to our operator partners that would then apply for a 135 certificate or similar and that would take CONOPS development and a whole lot of other systems and then there would be a ramp into operation or entry into service. The EIPP system allows us to pull all of that forward and concurrently develop with our partners in the 135s all of the CONOPS aspects while we ramp our production. And ramping the production, anybody who's been in production for a long time knows you don't go from zero to 100 on one day. That is an engineering effort as well. It's a development effort, supply chain maturity, quality systems, supplier quality, all of those things have to mature. And what EIPP does, it allows us to take that ramp and again overlay it with the aircraft type certification program, the 135 development, and the ramp into production. So, it really has a very non-linear effect of taking things out of series, but also overlapping things and advancing the time. So, I think it's a conservative estimate to say it advances our business by a year. It could be more than that.
Host 39:03 ↗
Wonderful. Thank you very much. Thanks, Kristine. Your next question comes from Ronald Epstein with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Ronald Epstein 39:15 ↗
Hey, good morning, guys. How should we think about the potential investment that would be required if things end up being very successful with EIPP? Just to give folks a sense of kind of maybe how to model that if indeed BETA is successful, which we all hope and expect.
Herman Cudo 39:37 ↗
Yeah, Ron, I'm anxiously awaiting to see where the ultimate awards come in, but if we were very successful in the EIPP, you could see an investment somewhere between, I'm going to give a wide range, 75 million to 125 million, something like that.
Kyle Clark 40:00 ↗
Yeah, and expanding on that, Herman said it earlier that that investment isn't a new investment. It's an advancing investment that we would have been making at a later point in time. And just like the ramping of production, the cost out curve of early rate low rate initial production aircraft to full rate production aircraft will happen faster as well. So, a lot of that investment again would have happened anyway. And now we get to advance that and build those aircraft while we're working through type certification.
Ronald Epstein 40:37 ↗
You got it. Got it. Super clear. And Kyle, you mentioned this on the call that engineering effort that you guys needed to ramp. Can you maybe peel back that in on that a little bit just to give folks a feel for some of the just you worked through to get production system where you needed to be for when you think it'll need to be there.
Kyle Clark 40:57 ↗
Yeah, for sure. So, I think one of the insights that Sean Donavan, our chief of operations, brought to Beta from Tesla was that we needed to expose the issues in production early. So, our strategy is to set up a production line. Take for example, our battery line or our wing line, run it at full rate for a period of time. So, if we had the battery line running for 5 days at full rate then stopped for 5 weeks, we allow ourselves to expose the pinch points in the line. And then you apply the engineering resources, typically production or manufacturing engineering resources, sometimes design, but mostly production and manufacturing where we find those pinch points in the line, whether it's data processing, actual assembly time, inspection, robotics, any of those things, and we address them. And that takes engineering. So, if we have a laser welder that needs a cool down time, we expose that very early. And then we apply automation in the right places. You know, just recently on our battery line for example, a plasma surface preparation system was fully automated because it was found to be a pinch point unexpectedly. So, that required manufacturing production engineering to balance that line. That also reaches way back to kitting in supply chain and inventory management where we use a highly visual manufacturing system where we design tools so that when screws, bolts, and nuts show up on the line, they are in a way that the assembly technician is going to use them. It helps with our quality, it helps with our speed. And then the last thing that has been a big focus of engineering and production run has been the automated, the use of automated tools for inspection documentation. So, utilizing Wi-Fi connected screwdrivers effectively to map the angle, the torque, and the position of every screw that we put in drastically minimizes the human checkboxes that have to happen. So, those are the types of engineering investments we're making in manufacturing.
Host 43:08 ↗
Great. Thank you very much. Your next question comes from Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Sheila Kahyaoglu 43:21 ↗
Good morning, guys, and thank you for the time. Maybe just on two questions. First I'll start off with the backlog you called out the backlog greater than 4 billion by the end of '26. Can you talk about some of the drivers of this and line of sight to that? And how defense plays into it as well, please.
Kyle Clark 43:38 ↗
Sure. I mean, look, we like real time during this meeting are getting extreme line of sight. There's a series of docs on my desk right now of deals that are ready to be executed. But we are in the fortunate position to make sure the terms of those deals are favorable and aligned with Beta's rollout strategy. And I just saw as we were getting ready for this call this morning that our counterparts executed an agreement that takes a good bite out of that backlog goal for this year for aircraft. So, we have very good line of sight, when we were preparing the materials, we had a little less, now it's even better. So, that is with commercial operators that have found applications for the electric aircraft in places that we believe that are going to have very successful entry into service. High cadence, low cost, relatively short range starting with cargo, medical, and logistics. And that's the type of operators that we're partnering with.
Herman Cudo 44:42 ↗
Yeah, Sheila, I just want to reemphasize Kyle's last point. We set a very high bar on what goes into our backlog. We're very selective with our customers. We want good launch partners, and we want partners who are going to come with large orders and deposits. So, it's a very high bar. And as Kyle said, we were excited to see some documents get signed early this morning that again will take a big chunk towards that $4 billion backlog. And we'll be announcing that shortly.

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Clark, K. (2026, March 9). Beta Technologies Earnings Call LIVE | Q4 2025 / Full-Year 2025! [Interview transcript]. The Hustle Brothers. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/1168405/

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Kyle Clark. "Beta Technologies Earnings Call LIVE | Q4 2025 / Full-Year 2025!." The Hustle Brothers, 9 Mar. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/1168405/.

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@misc{clark2026_1168405,
  author       = {Kyle Clark},
  title        = {Beta Technologies Earnings Call LIVE |  Q4 2025 / Full-Year 2025!},
  howpublished = {Interview transcript, The Hustle Brothers. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = {mar},
  url          = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/1168405/},
  note         = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}