Yeah. So, why don't you tell everyone?
No, you don't think you owe people an explanation?
I just found out that I'm very allergic to bees.
So, what happened to your foot? You got stung by—
Stung on the bottom of my foot, and for six days my foot looked like the Nutty Professor. And now it's slowly starting to come back, and I'm starting to get feeling in it again. But apparently I have to carry an EpiPen now.
Did you look like Mr. Klump?
Yeah, I looked like Sherman Klump.
Should I be carrying an EpiPen? Just—
Should be dressed cool today. Now, I don't know if you realize this, but your buttons are all one off.
Oh, are they? Fully one off.
Wow. But it might look better.
Yeah, it kind of looks cool. Actually, I think you like it.
Yeah. I think it looks way better.
How's it going? Good to see you.
Hand. I can't, I can't, I can't. My back, my—
I am a prisoner of this world that I built. What is this? What's the point of this?
I wrote some soft porn of seducing Kate.
We now have like godlike abilities.
Sexual tension. I see him smiling when she came out. You're like, "Hello. Welcome."
Oh my god. No. No, I just want to let you guys know that they haven't cleaned the air filters here in about 15 years.
And we got we have a very low level of anthrax pumping through the—
Yeah, I think I hope so. We might be able to actually prove that's true.
I would like to know. I think—
Yeah, I think I would like to know.
Can you prove everything? We brought our gadgets.
Wow. What do we got going on? Look, did you make that?
What is this? What's the point of this? What's going on? I don't understand what's going on.
We brought you food for breakfast.
We brought you guys food. We brought some biological age measurement devices.
So, I don't want to die. I don't.
I don't want to die. I actually every day I feel like you guys maximize for longevity. I maximize for fun every day. Like every day I want to be like if I didn't have a great day, cuz what if I die tomorrow? Like I can't restrict myself.
I feel like if there's two people that are really giving in to their every whim—no, not you. I'm saying unlike them. You mean you're more like if we are giving in to our every impulse as far as like—
Oh, I thought you were saying someone who wakes up and has the best day and most productive day. No, I'm saying in the way that you're optimizing every single health thing you can do, we are totally ignoring that to such a—especially me. Maybe not as much as you.
You too like to make the most of life.
Okay. So, what do you eat? What are you doing every day? What?
Oh, yeah. We brought you actually So, we brought you a full meal.
Okay. This looks incredible.
Yeah. And then this also is incredible.
What's in that? What is that one?
This is macadamia nuts, walnuts, flax seed, pomegranate juice, blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, and yeah.
You're naming all my— Well, what's the water substance?
Yeah. Are you allergic to anything? Are you doing—
Oh, so it's macadamia nut.
Yeah, we take mac nuts and we actually blend it. Yeah.
I need to know more about the way that you guys eat and live. What do you indulge in? Do you indulge in nothing?
The whole premise is no indulge.
Well, why'd you say, "Yeah, yeah, we're happy"?
Because no matter what I say, no one's going to believe if I say, "Yeah, I'm happy."
You seem happy, and you guys are glowing. I mean, both of your skin is enough for me to give up everything except wine in my life and follow your path.
That's good. I feel like they can—
Yeah. Oh my god. Okay, let's taste this.
It's too much, Dave. The texture is not going to work.
It's not going to work. Yeah, I can hear that.
I like what I'm doing for the show.
I like what I'm doing for the world. I'm being myself for your future kids.
If someone was going to change their life tomorrow, give us a crash course in like two minutes on—
Well, it could be longer. Take two hours.
Okay. Here's a two-minute crash course. People get overwhelmed, so you can't give them more than one thing to do.
Yeah, it's like too much.
And so the thing we tell people to do is lower your heart rate before bed. Here's what makes your heart rate elevated before bed: it's food, screens, alcohol, weed, anxiety, work, scrolling—
What else is there though?
A lot of the things that you named sound like every night.
Yeah, exactly. That's why it's so tricky. So when you go through the list of like, "Okay, so this food is good for you," and people are like, "Great, but it's so hard to implement." But really the crux of life is how you sleep and how you feel.
How you feel. Because how you feel in life mentally—
Yeah, how you feel in life mentally is based upon how you sleep.
And so everything is built around sleep.
Aren't you like very pro-Cialis and stuff?
Yeah. Every man—probably, this is not, potentially women—every man over 40 should be microdosing. Actually, men and women.
Tadalafil is a longevity drug. Women can take it.
Okay. Wait, every man and woman should do what?
Low dosing Tadalafil. There's less evidence for women, but the mechanism is the same, so it should translate. Blood flow.
Yeah, it basically helps your blood flow throughout the body.
So you take it every day?
Yeah, 5 mg every day. It probably is one of the very best longevity drugs that so few people are doing it. Everybody should be doing it.
So everybody should be taking penis pills?
This is not medical advice. The evidence is men over 40. That's where the bigger studies are, but it's clearly applicable to men in their 30s, too. It's not clear whether men in their 20s would do well; that's not clear. Women it would be applicable. So it's not clear at what point and for whom, but generally speaking, it's one of the best longevity drugs in the world.
What is the point of having good blood flow? Do you know that men with ED, erectile dysfunction, that can predict things like cardiac events by 3 to 5 years?
Because the penis has smaller blood vessels than the rest of the body, and so it's the first thing to show up when problems happen. So it's all about blood flow. That's why it should work for women just as well as it works for men, because we have blood vessels too.
That's why men should measure their nighttime erections to see if they're—
How much fluctuation is there in a boner?
Yeah. A healthy 20-year-old will have nighttime erections in the range of around 2 and 1/2 to 2 hours and 45 minutes per night, five erection episodes, and then each one is graded on a scale from 0 to 100.
Coffee. Is that terrible? Do you guys drink coffee? My next question.
It's good. Coffee is good.
I don't drink any caffeine.
I don't do caffeine. I do decaf coffee.
So, you don't do caffeine?
Wow. How bad is weed? Is weed bad?
It generally does not score high on nearly anything.
Fun level scores very high.
Mushrooms. That is very relevant.
Bryan live-streamed doing psilocybin.
Oh yeah, I saw something about that. Tell me about your experience. I'm interested.
So, the goal is trying to find things that extend life. There was a study that showed that mice had their lives extended by psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms. And so we did the world's most quantified experiment on psilocybin. We measured like 250 biomarkers on my body and my brain, and then we did three doses of 25 mg of psilocybin, and we live-streamed it.
First of all, the outcome of the study is we think that psilocybin is a legitimate contender as a longevity therapy.
It's not just about tripping.
We had evidence in terms of it was good for blood glucose, it was good for my microbiome, it was good for—we had this really long list. We were very surprised that this ancient medicine that's used in rituals and also used as a party drug was also like this hidden thing about longevity. But then I'd say what seemed real when I was in there is when you go into that world, that world is as real as this world.
And it feels like there's a conversation happening there just like there is happening here.
And it's a much deeper conversation, but it feels as real. So it's almost like Inception. Are you the same person here, but you're in a different reality that you can see things that you couldn't see in this reality?
I think non-stop about existence.
Yes. Like I can't stop thinking about it.
So when I go there, the thing that seemed clear to me is we are in this epic contest for intelligent life. We are conscious on this planet. We are giving birth to artificial intelligence. It's becoming very powerful and it's increasing at a speed that we can't quite comprehend, and this moment is just epic beyond our capacity to understand.
We don't understand how precious our existence is. We live life, and we live until our 70s and we die. So we YOLO our way to optimize how I feel and what I want to get done and our power, status, wealth games. But when you're in that world, it just feels like there's this game being played of epic proportions.
Also Bryan, a couple of months later, live-streamed doing 5-MeO-DMT.
Okay. And then what's the deal with that?
That is the strongest psychedelic on planet Earth.
Was it similar to the first experience or totally different?
It is the crown jewel of conscious existence. I cannot put into words what it's like.
It's not possible. You experience raw consciousness. It leaves you absolutely stunned. Honestly, I would say I feel like it was the biggest accomplishment of my entire life because when you get in there—so I wore the brain interface, and what happens is your prefrontal cortex wants to be in control of your narrative of who you are.
Yeah, you are you, I am me, and we have this barrier between us.
And this drug, or this psychedelic, basically blurs it. And then what it does is it basically says you need to release control.
So you need to say yes to existence so deeply, like just yes and keep on going down. And at the same time—
You're on the verge of losing your mind.
The panic is so— I hate panic though. I hate it.
How does this work for you? Cuz you're a man who wants full control of everything.
Yeah, I think you control every part of your entire life.
I feel like there's a misconception about Bryan. Going into this experience, because a lot of people thrash, they scream—it's quite a horrific thing to observe someone doing this substance. I had zero fear going into it just because I know Bryan's brain. He's coming at the control thing from a perspective of having been in the throes of life and gone through so much darkness that it's actually not about control. It's about like when someone in your life dies or something tragic happens and you're really sober to every moment, and then for a week you live life where every second matters. This is his equivalent of living life where every second matters. It looks like control, but it's not.
Why do you do it all? Immortality?
Yeah. Because I think this is the biggest moment in the history of the human race where humans have always died, and now with AI, we are for the first time in the history of the human race where we may be the first generation who won't die. But it's not about immortality. It's not about a selfish desire. It's that we have the chance of being stewards and caretakers of existence, of carrying this thing forward. We're just on the verge of evolving into a new species.
I like that. But what changed? You were living life as a very normal man. I've looked at your past; you were a completely normal man doing things that were probably bad for you, like having a hard job, having stresses. What made you change? What was the moment where you were like, "Oh my god, I have to change what I'm doing right now"? Or was it a thing that happened very gradually over a long period of time?
When I was 21, I decided I was going to become an entrepreneur, make a whole bunch of money, and then try to do something useful in the world. It took me 14 years. I got there, I sold my company, and we made a couple hundred million dollars. And then it was this question of what do you do?
Should we switch to the couch?
I'll sit on the floor. Do you have seats that you always sit in?
We do have seats we always sit in.
It's got lots of forever chemicals in it, though.
Okay. So, when you describe this different species of humanity and you say AI is the thing that's allowing us to get to that, are you envisioning AI allowing us to be smart enough to preserve ourselves, or are you imagining some sort of hybrid machine-based human combined organism?
Okay, he deviated us from the question.
Well, my question was so good that he has no idea what the answer is.
No, you were explaining why you did it. You were 21 years old, you decided you wanted to make a lot of money to do something good for the world. It took you 16 years to do, and then you're there and you got it. What happened then? Walk me through.
Then it was a question of, okay, what do you do? Deciding what to do is very hard because it takes 10 years to start anything and get to the starting line, right? It takes a long time to get momentum in doing something, so I wanted to choose carefully. I did two things. One is I got a bunch of friends together. I held like 10 dinners across the country, and I would ask them this question: "Imagine we're in 2050, the world is amazing, and we're looking back on 2016. What did we do in 2016 that made the world in 2050 amazing?" People would say the same things in every dinner. Humans repeat what they hear; they're working on similar things, like there's a zeitgeist. So after the third, I was like, "Okay, I see the pattern. Everyone's saying the same things. So I'm going to make myself a challenge. I'm going to draw a box, I'm going to put all the ideas inside the box, and I can't do anything inside the box. It's got to be outside the box."
So that's what I call zeroth-principle thinking: you can't do anything that you're aware of or that others are aware of. And then I did the second thought experiment where I imagined being present in the year 2500, a few hundred years into the future.
And whoever is there—whether it's humans or AI or some combination—they're conversing in this thought experiment and they're looking back at us and they say, "We're so grateful for Homo sapiens in the early 21st century because they did blank that allowed intelligence to thrive in this part of the galaxy." Fill in the blank.
Measured their boners at night.
Can I tell you about a time I was scammed?
New York City. A man put headphones on my head. He said, "Do you like this?" I said, "Yeah." He said, "What's your name?" And I said, "Dave." He started signing the CD to Dave. I said, "What do you—" He said, "You said you liked it." And then I paid him $10. So, I was emasculated in front of my ex-girlfriend.
That's a good little technique he had.
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It is crazy. You're the only person who's taken on this challenge. Are there other guys?
It's a huge challenge. It's a huge undertaking.
There's no other man like you.
We need some more sample size, right? You're just one man.
Most measured person in human history.
Can't anomalies exist in life and science?
Certainly. There's obvious limitations on it's just one person, it's one body. People's bodies are different. What we're really trying to accomplish is establish a new philosophy, a new ideology, a new religion, a new community, like a new all things that basically this is a demarcation where before this point humans died.
After this point, humans have an extending lifespan. We just don't know how long and how well we can live.
So what would the 21st century say? They say Homo sapiens in the early 21st century gave birth to superintelligence and they figured out they would no longer die.
But there's a difference between no longer die and live for a really, really long time.
I'm surprised you're even reaching for immortality.
It's not even immortality. It just means if we start extending—life expectancy is 79 right now in California. So let's say next year becomes 80 and the next year becomes 82.
Why are you living in California? Is it longer other places?
Actually, it was for the brain interface company.
So imagine then by 2030 it's 84, by 2032 it's extending further. And so now we're like, "Huh?" So it's not that we solve immortality; it's that we shift our mindset. It's like, "Wait a second, as an 80-year-old, I can have the same cognitive capacity and physical capacity as a 25-year-old." And so when that happens, humanity will be like, "Wait, I have to rethink stuff." And so that's the beginning of the psychological consideration.
You have to get everybody kind of on board to understand the long-term goal.
That's not even hard. Everyone knows that in the '30s they were dying at 40, and now they're 80. And I'm sure in 100 years they'll be 150, and what you're doing would make you like 3,000 or whatever. But immortality, would you say, is a complete impossibility?
We don't know anything. What's cool about this is that when you ask somebody if they want to live forever, they'll say no because most people resist that. But then if you say, "Do you want to live for tomorrow?" everybody says yes because you have things going on tomorrow. Wanting to live for tomorrow and wanting to live forever are the same idea.
I read a thing that you did—I don't know if it's true—about how you rid your body of almost all of its microplastics. Is that true?
What type of cutting board do you use?
Yeah, we try to purge the house of plastics. We did this experiment where we were trying to look at microplastics. It's a big deal. So we measured microplastics in my blood and also in my ejaculate because there was a study that showed that 100% of men had microplastics in their ejaculate and their testicles.
And that's probably related to fertility.
Yeah, it's just a bad thing to have in there.
I have the same device. Turn that around.
I have the exact same one at home. Yep, same one.
Wait, you guys, I just want to hear—you just finished the microplastic thing.
After doing 21 sessions of sauna, my microplastic levels in my blood and ejaculate lowered by 87%.
It was the first in-human demonstration of it. We don't know if it was from the sauna, from the heat—we don't know. We just know that it lowered. So every man has to immediately—why aren't there national PSAs about this? Get into the sauna right now.
Too small of a sample size, I'd say.
I mean, but people should do the experiment to see if they replicate. There should definitely be a follow-on, because if it's truly effective, it's a big deal.
Yeah, if you do it in the heat.
Is there an optimal—anything about sex?
As much sex as you can have. Yeah.
How could it be? Your heart rate.
The only thing that passes the list is sex. Sex at any time is great.
Really? So you're okay with sex past your bedtime?
Why? Sex at any time is great? Why? How come?
Because sex is very hard to come by. It's very hard to find the right moment, the right timing, the right situation. So when it presents itself—
Yeah, and it's just so good for connection.
What does that mean? I'm joking.
How often do you think the average couple should be having sex?
You're saying how many times—no, how many days out of the week?
I don't know if there's an upper bound.
He's saying as much as humanly possible.
Yes. Okay, so here's a few things we've done. For example, when couples have sex—
You studied this with yourselves.
You're not getting Uncomfortable Partner of the Year award. This doesn't make you feel uncomfortable. All right, tell us about—
I really believe that taboo things should be—why can't we talk about this?
Let's all talk about another bottle of olive oil. Let's talk about it. Okay. Best partner of the year award because Bryan just went deep into the research on how to have sex, and then he brought me information that I didn't even know about myself.
Oh my god. Tell us everything. Were you bad at sex before?
I just didn't know. Was I bad at sex before?
He was always great at sex. This is like next level.
Okay. In the moment where it's like, okay, you're together and it's like this might happen, a man is ready to go in 30 seconds, right? A woman takes around 17 minutes to be ready.
I could tell you that. I call it the transition.
Yes, you have to like mentally—women tent. The cervix actually retreats.
It tents, like it goes away. It retreats to allow room for penetration. It's not just like us getting warmed up; it's literally mechanical. So for 17 minutes—
Are you saying you should be flirting for 17 minutes or you should be, you know, foreplay?
Foreplay. Basically, once that tenting process, once that clock starts, the woman starts—she'll tent. So even if a woman's wet, it does not mean she's ready. It's part of the process. Then the cervix actually mechanically moves to make room for penetration. And so if you have sex before that, it'll hurt. Then other things—that's a mechanical process; a woman can't just be like, "I'm going to tent in 3 minutes." It's a process that happens.
And it's always 17—like 17-ish, 17 to 20?
And then there's also nerve fibers in the body. So if you're touching your partner, if you move fast, the body registers that as, "Oh, I feel a sensation of being touched." If you move below 3 cm per second, it communicates to a certain nerve fiber that that's intimate. So the speed of your touch—
You've always been good at that.
Yeah, she always says that he's a great toucher.
Ever since I first started kissing and doing anything with women, my reputation in sixth grade was like he's the best at feeling boobs.
He has a very good touch.
Have an intuitive, amazing—very good.
17 minutes slow touch. The nerve fibers—yes, you'll have feedback when you do that. The nerve fibers will then—that's why you get goosebumps, because the hairs stand up. And so you get this mechanical feedback from the body of you've done the right speed, you've got the feedback mechanism, and now that tenting process is commencing. So then it's go time.
What about once it starts? I mean—
Wait, tell us some more. We have 16 minutes to go. I'd like every detail that you care to give.
The nipple is connected to the clitoris.
So when you do nipple play, it's essentially the same as clitoris play.
Okay, let me ask you this. I heard a rumor growing up that the male nipple was just as sensitive as the female nipple. Is that true?
Well, I don't know. Mine's pretty sensitive.
If this is what that feels like, it sucks being you guys.
You just don't have sensitive nipples.
And I heard that males and females have the same nipple sensitivity.
Women can have different sensitivity on their arm. Keep going.
Okay, so nipples are the shit.
Yeah, so you do that in that 17 minutes. It is the shit. And so, but then of course you want to have the right pressure. You don't want to make it—so whatever the person's preference is.
What else was on our—I can't remember.
What about speed of—once it's in, is this better than this or we don't know?
We should do more research and put out a book or something.
Yeah, we should do more research.
So there is a lot of unknown. When I learned this, I wrote some soft porn.
Of basically seducing Kate.
Yeah, you took that long. No, that wasn't his tweet. It was a different long thing.
If tomorrow three other guys went on social media—doesn't have to be us, but it could be; not us, three other guys—and they started seeking the same thing and posting all about it, and they were really dynamic and they had good personalities and they reached stardom, would you be annoyed or would you be happy to have more sets of data for humanity?
Happy. People call all the time and they're like, "I'm going to beat you." Great, I'll help you. The goal is that others beat me. If you think about the 21st century, all of the small-mindedness of wanting power, wealth, and status as an individual doesn't matter. We're playing this epic game of conscious existence. So it's trying to move the species toward—we want society to change. We want it to move into this new era of evolving.
I wanted to know, if you had to boil it down right now, the 10 worst things you can do for your body right now. That's just the first question.
Can I measure my brain while he asks questions?
Measure your brain. I need to set it up.
It's going to take you a second. He says that I can measure my brain. What are we measuring?
Yeah. So, it looks at your patterns and it'll give you an age. It will give you a number.
But don't you want to be older and wiser? Don't you want your brain to live a long time, but you want your brain to be full of wise knowledge?
It's not necessarily the content of what's happening in the brain, but more like the activity, like how robust, how quickly are the patterns happening.
Yeah. You know how you talk to someone who's older and they're slower?
Oh, you got a fast brain.
I do have a fast brain, but I smoked a little bit of weed.
That probably will have some impact.
You can always retest again.
So, if there's any negativity, it's all on my—the weed can make me seem—
It'll take me like 5 minutes to set up.
Would you set up while you're setting it up?
Do you want to—we can all go over there.
Yeah, let's go over there.
A part of me thinks it could just hurt my ego.
What about your face thing? Don't you want to see that?
I don't think they brought the face thing.
We'll check the air in here while we're waiting.
This is the best thing I've ever had.
So, do you guys avoid traveling because there's so much—it's probably full of microplastics.
Don't mind me if I just sneak out and do a little live shopping thanks to eBay Live. You probably don't know about eBay Live cuz you probably just know eBay, and where there's a date and you've got to bid by that date. Not anymore. I mean, they probably still have that version, but I just go on to eBay Live and I call it how I see it. These are things that are happening real-time, live shopping that I wouldn't even think about getting. How about some cards, some unique cards, trading card type stuff, because they've got vintage things. They have Rolexes, which is above my pay grade, but I'm just saying there's a wide variety of things that when you go on eBay Live, you can get a Yoda action figure sealed. That's my dog. I've always loved Yoda; I love his shape and I love his physical size. But it's just fun. Sometimes you don't want to go inside and learn more about how much time you have left; you'd rather live in the moment. But every good thing comes to an end. It's fun in there, too.
Okay, we're ready. So what's going to happen is it's going to play music and you're just going to watch the screen.
We are in this epic contest for intelligent life.
I love how seriously Dave's taking this.
You need to release control.
Grip strength is an incredible predictor of age and longevity.
