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David Schmaier
President and Chief Strategy Officer, Salesforce Inc

David Schmaier, Salesforce | Dreamforce 2024

🎥 Sep 17, 2024 📺 SiliconANGLEtheCUBE
Dreamforce 2024 is live from the NYSE, with David Schmaier, president and chief product officer at Salesforce, and George Gilbert, data guru-in-chief, discussing Agentforce. Agentforce aims to simplify AI integration for businesses, offering pre-built agents that can be turned on in hours. The platform leverages Salesforce's data cloud to unify and harmonize data, powering AI agents to enhance customer experiences. With over 200,000 customers, Salesforce is evolving into a platform for agents, allowing others to build and inject agents into applications. Salesforce embraces a platform-centric...
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About David Schmaier

David Schmaier, President and Chief Strategy Officer at Salesforce, has been a prominent voice on the company's AI strategy, particularly around its Agentforce platform. At Dreamforce 2024, he described Agentforce as a major focus, stating that Salesforce is "going all in on humans and AI agents working together to help customers." He noted that the platform allows users to turn on pre-built AI agents that can automate tasks, and that over 10,000 companies activated it in a sandbox environment within three days of its launch. In a 2025 podcast, Schmaier said Salesforce had just delivered its first $10 billion-plus revenue quarter and was on a $40 billion run rate. He has also emphasized the importance of data, calling the company's Data Cloud its fastest-growing product ever)Skip Schmaier has discussed the broader implications of AI, stating in a 2024 interview at Davos that he believes "this is bigger than the internet" and that in 12 months, "every single piece of software will add generative AI." He has argued that AI will not replace jobs but will make people more productive, and that it will create new roles, such as prompt engineers. Schmaier has also highlighted Salesforce's focus on trust and safety, describing the company's "Einstein Trust Layer" as a system that screens out biased or harmful AI outputs. He has characterized the current period as a "global AI race" and said that the stakes are "super high."

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Transcript (31 segments)
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Host0:10
Live from the NYSC, where we have set up just outside of Moscone to really bring to you what's going on and what you should expect this week. We're really excited because we get some of the best guests. Salesforce has been really great about bringing them on here, and we have David Schmaier, who's the President and Chief Product Officer with Salesforce, who's going to help us break it down. I'm also joined by George Gilbert, who's our data guru in chief here, and we're really going to dig in on some of the announcements that have been going on. I think one of the big things that was talked about last week was really Agent Force and the announcements around that. Kind of help us understand things that you take away from Dreamforce this year.
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David Schmaier1:11
It's Agent Force, Agent Force, and Agent Force. So we're going all in on humans and AI agents working together to help customers. And we really think this is a big story because a lot of companies have been trying to build their own AI, and we don't think this is something you want to do yourself. If you go to a surgeon, you don't do it yourself; you go to somebody who really knows what they're doing. And what we've done is built this out of the box so you can literally turn our agents on in hours and not take months or even years to build the AI yourself.
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George Gilbert1:49
Let me just ask at the top level, this value proposition. There's always this tension between an application that... agents seem to get us closer to that. What is it about agents that allow you to provide the best of both, and what did you have to do to the foundational components of Salesforce to enable that?
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David Schmaier2:29
It's a great question, George. And we really have built Agent Force on top of the foundation we built over 25 years: multi-tenant in the cloud, proven, scalable, trusted. On top of that, we built something new in the last several years called our Data Cloud, which allows you to basically integrate, harmonize, and unify all the data together. And our view is the data powers the AI and the agents. The three of us all work together, and we put data into the system, and the system magically does things for us.
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George Gilbert3:11
Now the AI agents can do that magic. It would seem that normalization of that data is a big task. Having been in used Salesforce in multiple different ways and multiple different parts of the Salesforce Cloud, how did you really achieve that? How do you help people normalize that data so that AI can really be actionable and trusted within that?
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David Schmaier3:46
Sure. We've been working on AI for over a decade at Salesforce. We have a Stanford professor of AI and machine learning who runs our Research Center. So we've been working on it, and we decided to double down and go all in on agents and AI, and the flow work. That's what we've done. And what I'm most excited about are the customers. Customers like OpenTable, Disney, ADP, Wy, and Saks Fifth Avenue. You're going to hear from them this week. You're going to hear their stories. They're going to talk about how the agents have literally transformed and revolutionized the way they interact with their customers, so they can do what has really been our vision for 25 years: help companies connect with their customers in entirely new ways. And Agent Force is definitely an entirely new way.
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George Gilbert4:50
So the Data Cloud took a few years to pull together. A historical system of customer journey was critical, and none of the other data clouds really have that. But then you also have the common language for the business processes, which now become the tools or actions that the agents can invoke to get work done. As far as we understand, no one else has all those ingredients because you needed those harmonized actions not just to get stuff done, but by connecting it to the applications, they can learn from the outcomes, and so the agents get smarter over time.
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David Schmaier5:44
That's exactly right. I think it's very, very well said. So we have always had the full Customer 360 view. And some of the other CRM players give you what they call a data lake. The Data Cloud takes it further because we can bring in SAP data, we can bring in billing data. If somebody clicks on a certain product page on your website, you instantly get that signal that we can send to the right salespeople and say, 'Hey, somebody just clicked on this page; they might want to buy this particular product.' That would be good to know instantaneously because leads are sometimes perishable. So we've sort of connected all this together. And the amazing thing about Agent Force is we have over 200,000 customers at Salesforce, and it's all built on these core fundamental technologies at the data layer and at the workflow layer. Our flow automation layer does 44 billion workflows a day, and so it's used by millions of people. We're going to turn AI agents on for people right at Dreamforce. And we had our own people turning on agents in one to two hours, working really smart, intelligent conversational agents in one to two hours.
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Host7:29
You said something interesting where you make it so easy to harmonize all the customer data, one language, Customer 360, the journey. And that might make it easy. There's almost like a network effect because it draws in non-customer data that's related to the customer. So is that one way of turning what was a customer system of truth into a broader system of truth, and then through that, you can bring in more data?
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David Schmaier8:11
Well, the data lake, our Data Cloud, allows you to... we now have over 400 connectors, and with MuleSoft, which is the number one API management system, we can get you to thousands and thousands of applications. So we can virtually connect to anything. But we can also connect to other data lakes like Snowflake, Databricks, Redshift, BigQuery, and Azure Fabric data. So we can connect to any of these other data lakes. And we just announced a big partnership with Workday, with IBM, and other big partners that are also joining what we call the Zero Copy Alliance, where you don't need to copy all the data into our Data Cloud; we can just point to it but give you a logical view of that.
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Host9:10
So this part, and what we've been hearing about in the discussions we've already had today, was a lot around ecosystem and a lot about those connectors and bringing... because to George's point, a lot of people have data all over the place. And Salesforce has legitimately been a target for people to suck data out of. And now with Data Cloud, we heard there's record growth and things of that nature, bringing data in. How do you see that ecosystem really growing, I guess you could say, and to George's point, AI working with other AI for that matter in that way?
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David Schmaier9:49
Sure. We have something called the AppExchange. And so we take a platform-centric and ecosystem-centric view to everything we do. I'm the Chief Product Officer, and Mark and I have a lineage going way back working at Oracle before Salesforce together, so we've known each other for a long time. And I'm a big believer in this platform-centric approach. The AppExchange today has over 6,000 business applications. And what we just announced is a new agent ecosystem where now you can take our Agent Force platform and you can build your own agents. That's what Workday is doing for employee onboarding or employee service. They're building with us on the platform because they are really the system of record for employee data. We're the system of record for customer data. Now we bring both of those together on Agent Force.
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George Gilbert11:11
So application companies are working within your essentially the new application model. Used to be application models were stovepipe. Now that you want a multi-agent, multi-vendor system, are you the new application framework?
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David Schmaier11:26
I would say it this way: potentially. I think we're the new way of bringing agents to the enterprise. So the old way was many of the hyperscalers and many of the AI companies would say, 'Hey, you, George, you need to train your own models, and you need to build your own RAG, and you need to get a vector database, and you too can be a computer hobbyist and plug this all in together.' And what we're great at doing at Salesforce is making hard things simple. And we've done that for 25 years. Analytics did it with Tableau. We can bring, like, this laptop. If you're a Salesforce customer, we'll have a couple experts, it's kind of like the Apple Genius Bar. They'll turn your agent on in one to two hours, and they'll show you how to do it. So when you leave there, it'll be in your sandbox. You can go home and test it and look at all the use cases. And then later, if you want to go live with it, you can go live with it. So it's very, very cool. We believe that we've been in this computer hobbyist era of AI. That's why these projects have taken a long time. That's why the returns have not been what everybody expected. And we think this is the new chapter. We think it's going to be easy.
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George Gilbert12:49
You hinted at something I want to draw you out on. That the hyperscalers were offering their tools, do-it-yourself building blocks. But you're getting to the point where Salesforce is now the new infrastructure abstraction layer. Infrastructure software abstraction layer, the platform as a service, and the application. And the cloud is just the hardware infrastructure below that.
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David Schmaier13:29
Yeah, let me give you a couple of tangible examples. The first is Wy, the textbook company. They're going to be in our keynote. They've been a Salesforce customer for about 10 years. They have a huge spike in demand when our kids all bought their textbooks. But we probably bought them from them two years ago. This is back to school season, so they need all these seasonal workers. But now they don't need them because they're using Agent Force. And so they can handle the demand without hiring all those seasonal workers. Another example is OpenTable. They were going through a sort of a chatbot bake-off, and they're a big Salesforce customer. They said, 'Oh wow, we didn't know about Agent Force. Can you tell us more about that?' And they quickly standardized on Agent Force because chatbots are very brittle. You had to program if-then-else, the branching of like if the customer says this, then do this, or else do that. Now with the LLM, you don't have to do any of that. It can reason and it can plan. And so we're seeing incredible results at OpenTable. And then Disney, which has 17 million visitors a year to the theme parks, they're using Agent Force. You know, Andor and Obi-Wan is the next series that you should watch on Disney Plus because it knows who you are, it knows what your preferences are, it knows everything about you, and it can do it in a very human-centric way. And if you want to talk to somebody too, you can. We support humans and agents working together. So it's not either/or; we think it's both. We think that there are some situations where you're going to want to talk to people. Like in the theme park, there might be somebody with an iPad guiding you to the next ride that's using Salesforce. But we think the intelligence and the smarts and the AI make that all effortless. It makes it the experience that you want. It's what we call AI that you would really hope to have, an AI that you imagine.
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Host16:13
So I think what I'm hearing is you want to be more ecosystem friendly in the fact that you're saying we're going to build some, that makes sense, and some that we should be having, but we're also going to let others inject their agents or you can build your own agent into our applications. Is that really, when you look at it with your CPO hat on, is that your roadmap? Is that you want to enable people to have choice in how the agents are built?
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David Schmaier16:41
Absolutely. We think that we have certain domain expertise. Our namesake product, our Sales Cloud, is the world's number one sales force automation product. Our Service Cloud is our biggest product in the entire company; it's the number one service product. And Marketing Cloud is also number one. But people can build agents too, and if they can build a better one, great. But we have in the AppExchange, 90% plus of our customers use one or more AppExchange products because it's impossible for us to build everything. A good example is the Workday example. We're not experts at employee onboarding; Workday is. So why try to be in the game? They're a great partner. We use their products; they use ours as a customer. The same with ADP and payroll. Why not let the experts with the domain expertise build the knowledge and the skills? And if you go to our website, you'll see our skills library and what we call our Agent Force skills.
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George Gilbert18:10
I want to clarify and make sure it's crystal clear for all the customers who are watching. Your identity as a company is changing. You've been an application company for a quarter century, and you're becoming, it sounds like, a hybrid application and cloud platform company. And so I imagine that means you're selling not just to functional departmental business leaders but also the CIO, and you're selling in conjunction, which means you're selling at a much more strategic level. You can go into the business leaders and you can then also go into the CIO who's responsible for the platform. Is that the new identity?
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David Schmaier18:53
I would say it's more of an evolution than a pivot. We've always been a platform company. From the very beginning, you could customize Salesforce. You could add tabs or change things. And now it's gone way beyond that with Flow and MuleSoft and other capabilities. So you can literally customize everything if you want to. The magic part is we automatically upgrade every single customer. We do three major releases a year, and everybody gets it, and it literally just works. There's no big IT upgrade project. So we can keep our 12,000 engineers building more and more, and customers just get it and they can instantly use it because of this multi-tenant cloud model. So it's really amazing. But we've been a platform company since the very beginning. I think what the definition of platform has expanded dramatically. So before, it was about objects; then it was about flows. Now it's about agents. But it's the same platform-centric, ecosystem-centric view of the world.
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Host20:12
How do you see the entire ecosystem too, a little bit playing off of what George was saying around personas and AI personas? Traditionally, it's been data science on the traditional ML side of things. Now with Gen AI, you still have the data wrangling and the people who would be enthralled by Data Cloud and things of that nature. How do you see, when you're out with customers, who's in that room now to kind of George's point? Who's in the room when you're out having a conversation about how effective this is?
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David Schmaier21:12
The biggest companies in the world use Salesforce, and small ones and medium-sized companies too. But we'll typically meet with the CEO. And the CEOs are all saying, 'How do I use AI for competitive advantage?' If you come to San Francisco, Uber was a revelation, and they're a huge customer and a great example of how you disrupt an industry. And they run their whole company on Salesforce. Amazon's another great company, and they're one of our biggest customers in the world, and they disrupted their industry, and they run their whole company based on Salesforce. But you might see all these Waymo cars now and say there's a new way to get around through these autonomous vehicles. I took one yesterday. The CEO says, 'I want to be the Waymo of our industry, or the Uber of our industry. Let's do it.' And then he turns to his CIO or CTO and says, 'Make it happen.' And that's where we start spending a lot of our time. And there, I think, there's been a little bit of early attempts at this with DIY AI, do-it-yourself AI, where people are trying to cobble this together and build it themselves. But it's pretty hard. We have a PhD from Stanford in machine learning and AI who runs our AI research lab, and we have a team of PhDs who work for him. It's pretty hard to feel a team like that. Some companies have that, but most don't.
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George Gilbert23:12
The rapidly evolving speeds of the servers or the capabilities of the relational databases several decades ago... The current Agent Force models, I think, are built on an open source mix, Mistral, whatever. And we've seen just in the past few months dramatic changes in capabilities for planning, for tool use. How might that show up in the ambition of the agents that you can offer to the customers?
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David Schmaier23:45
Yeah, we're in a brand new world. In fact, they don't run on Mistral. We have what's called an open LLM framework. So actually, you can pick the LLM of your choice, and we have certain ones that we've found work best. And Agent Force is a perfect example. We're beating the results people are seeing with the custom application of LLMs. And the reason we're beating it is because we understand all the data, we understand all the metadata, which is the real semantic meaning of what's really going on. Therefore, we understand the context of every single customer interaction across every channel. So it's really not the LLM that's the magic; it's putting it all together with Data Cloud. And we've also introduced with Agent Force something we call our Atlas planning and reasoning engine. This is really cool. Our AI research team, run by this Stanford professor, built this. And we built this to plan the outcome of what the actions are according to the action library, according to this customer profile. So you don't need to build all this stuff anymore. That was like chapter one of a 20-chapter book on Gen AI. Now you can just use low code, no code. And we pre-built these agents to do a whole variety of things. You can extend them yourself without programming them. You can add new things. We're actually going to show that in the keynote tomorrow, where we show an agent that solves 90% of a customer's problem but couldn't do one thing, and we go in with a couple clicks and we show we add one more action, a custom action, and then it can do 100% of what the customer wants.
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George Gilbert26:13
So with vendors, in the era of symbolic code, which was the last 60 years, we only could reach the high end of the power curve, the 20% of processes that you could specify. But now the promise is we can reach the 80% that you could only learn. And so how does that change your ambitions for Salesforce as an application platform in terms of what you can reach? But then are you starting to think about advising customers not just on being more ambitious in what they build, but how they run their companies, how they transform their companies?
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David Schmaier26:53
Sure. Our view is that the LLMs are really the reasoning engine. But we have to certify them, and we have a trust boundary to make sure that everything that happens within our trust boundary is according to ethical use and it screens out bias. And so we take that part of our trust core value really seriously. But we do think LLMs over time are going to become more of a commodity. If you go to Hugging Face and look at the leaderboard, they're all hovering around in the mid-90% accuracies. They're going to get to the high 90s, and then at some point, the differences are going to be imperceptible to the naked eye: 98.7% accuracy versus 98.5%. This is like the old database wars with Codd and Date, like who had this many transactions per second. So we think the real value is in the data and the metadata. And we have advanced RAG techniques. We're doing something called ensemble RAG, which is beyond basic RAG, that really gets us far higher accuracy. And the final thing that we've done with our Data Cloud is we think what our customers want is to take structured data and unstructured data and put that all together in the output. And we think that's also a unique advantage that we have. We have all the conversations in Slack, we have threaded discussions within Salesforce, and we have all the structured data in Data Cloud and in all of our transactional apps.
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Host28:47
One last thing, because I was asked about this prior to coming here, and it's not necessarily on the AI topic. The acquisition of Own, which used to be Own Backup and things of that nature, how does that fit in with the strategy going forward? How do you see, assuming you don't have to assume anything because it's not done yet, I know that, but where does that fit into your strategy going forward of protecting the data and making data core to what you're doing? Because it would seem like we all know AI runs on data, so that would seem like a very key piece for the platform.
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David Schmaier29:40
Yeah, you just gave the answer: AI runs on data, and therefore the data is critical. If you watched our ads, we now have rotated to Agent Force ads, but we were running ads with Matthew McConaughey saying 'Data is the new gold.' We really believe that's the gold of the AI age. And it needs to be protected. We have our own backup and security solutions, but just like I said before, we have an open platform where we have ISVs like Own. It was originally called Own Backup; they have five products actually. The backup is their biggest product, but they do archiving, data security, data masking, which will augment our Shield products. And once the transaction is approved, it's not approved yet, not finalized yet, but once it's done, we think it's just one more way to reinforce we have five core values in the company, and the number one value is trust. So people trust putting their customer data in the cloud with Salesforce, and now that trust will just be that much furthered.
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George Gilbert31:11
I want to ask you before about where you can add value and where you can capture value. The foundation model vendors face brutal economics in the cost of compute, the cost of the researchers, cost of computer training, and even for serving it. You don't want to buy billions or tens of billions of GPUs. Well, Jensen is on tomorrow, so I don't know that we want to... No, he's a great partner and great customer. Power to him. He's got a great business model. He makes the money. But the frontier model vendors face for now brutal economics also because for whatever they build, their expertise can be distilled into smaller models. Even the OpenAI stuff because the expertise for any particular function or industry is captured, let's say, in JP Morgan's 250 petabytes of data. So there's two sources to capture value: the tools to organize that expertise and to fine-tune the models into agents that capture and embody that expertise, or the customer who then turns that raw data into something repeatable. I want to get your reaction. Is that how you see the market going forward in terms of where the value gets captured?
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David Schmaier32:50
Sure. Because we add in we have 15 industry clouds. So digital transformation is an industry-specific thing. We add hundreds of data objects to these industry clouds. Maybe you care about the account balance or the credit score of someone in banking, or maybe you care about the billing profile and how many residents somebody has for the energy or the telecom or media business, so you turn on the service in the right location at the right time. And so each one of these industries has industry consumer trade promotions data in consumer goods companies. So each one has different data. We can use that data to inform the AI in the flow work because we've codified the best practices for sales, marketing, service, and all 15 of these industries. So we've taken advantage of that. But we also have the capability in Salesforce Research to build our own models. So we build a code gen product for our Apex programming language, which is a JavaScript variant. We've built a number of models, and we see a lot of action in the future in small models, in domain-specific models. And so we are working on some new ones in that area that we think are going to be very exciting.
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Host34:38
I think that is a perfect place to leave it because I think we violently agree with you on SLMs, or small language models, and how they're going to really impact going forward. And we'll have to continue this at another time, but part two, yes. But thanks, David, for coming on board. This has been highly informative. Live from the NYSC, our Cube on location just north of Moscone. See you tomorrow. Enjoy. Bye.