Back
Scott Ericksen
VP & Chief Accounting Officer, Illumina Inc

Scott Junior Ereckson returns to answer your questions

🎥 Aug 25, 2021 📺 TheWolfANDTheShepherdPODCAST ⏱ 44m
Joined by the Shepherd, Scott "Junior" Ereckson returns to the show to answer listener submitted questions. Scott "Junior" Ereckson is the author of The Unknown Mongol, a book about the history, story and tale of unforgettable experiences throughout the 30 years Junior has been apart of the Mongols Motorcycle club. Come experience life as he knows it from his first book, The Unknown Mongol. Junior's second book details his experiences as the unforgiving steel doors of freedom slam behind him. Go with Junior on this wild roller-coaster ride to hell and back. Experience the ins and out of...
Watch on YouTube

About Scott Ericksen

Scott Ericksen, who also goes by Scott "Junior" Ereckson, appeared on the podcast "The Wolf and the Shepherd" on August 25, 2021, to answer listener-submitted questions. During the episode, he discussed his books "The Unknown Mongol" and "The Unknown Mongol Too," which he described as truthful accounts of his experiences as a member of the Mongols Motorcycle Club. He addressed topics including club membership, stating that joining requires full commitment and that members may face prison time and accountability for their brothers' actions. He also expressed regret for taking a human life, saying it was necessary at the time for the club and himself. Erickson declined to discuss reports that the current international president of the Mongols is an informant, stating he was tired of being asked about it and would not comment further. He also shared opinions on electric vehicles, noting he is not opposed to the movement but expressed concern about the lack of engine sound for safety, and on tattoos, describing them as representations of loyalty. He attributed a reversal of his habeas corpus petition to divine intervention after praying for help.

Source: AI-verified profile updated from Scott Ericksen's recent appearances. Browse all interviews →

Transcript (65 segments)
N
Narrator0:13
These are the truth, this is what really happened. You're gonna love them. Buy my books on Amazon in audio, paperback, and Kindle, or you can buy them off my personal website and get them personally autographed. These books. And listen to The Wolf and the Shepherd. Thank you.
Wolf, get away from those sheep, Barlocks. You're listening to The Wolf and the Shepherd podcast, broadcasting from Fort Worth in the great state of Texas. Now get ready for this episode of The Wolf and the Shepherd.
H
Host0:54
Welcome to this special episode of The Wolf and the Shepherd. We're going to do things a little bit differently today than we normally do. We're going to do a Q&A, and I'm going to do nothing but ask Junior these questions. Most of these questions were submitted via email, some were YouTube comments, some were comments, some were questions. So we've compiled all these things together, and all I'm gonna do is ask Junior your questions, and he's gonna give his answers. Now, one caveat I'm going to go ahead and mention right out the bat: I'm not going to interrupt Junior. That was one of the biggest comments on the prior YouTube of the first podcast: 'Why do you keep interrupting him? Why do you keep interrupting him?' Well, there's going to do this completely live. We're not going to chop anything up, we're not going to censor anything, we're not going to do any of that. You're going to see just Junior and I on this. It's gonna be me asking questions and Junior giving his thoughts. So with all that said, Junior, let's get started. So first up, you've written two books. Have you planned on writing anything else?
S
Scott Ericksen2:35
Actually, I do. I have a plan for a third book. It's a kind of a unique story, and I'm gonna go ahead and give everybody a little sneak preview of this thing. So, as you guys all know, or if you read the books, you know that I was adopted at about two weeks old. My parents were... and where I really came from, my actual DNA, my blood... with the help of Ancestry.com, the answer is quite remarkable. And this story is gonna give more insight to who I am and why I am the way I am. I post out some pretty unique things, so I'm going to leave it like that.
H
Host3:43
Gotcha. So there is a third book on the way. Very cool.
S
Scott Ericksen3:49
Yeah, it's... I haven't started yet, but it's definitely gonna be my next one, and it's gonna happen.
H
Host3:56
Nice. So... yeah, right. Actually, when I was in the... piano... I was drawn to Dean Koontz. I like Dean Koontz's books because most of the locations were right there in Orange County, and I was familiar with the areas he was talking about, the streets, the freeways. So I felt I had a kind of a relationship with Dean Koontz, and I kind of liked to read his stuff.
Well, I'm sure Dean would like to hear that. So, next up is not really a question but more of a quote, and I've stolen this off of one of your videos. One of the quotes... that did it... did I interrupt you? Do you have more to tell about the New Year's party?
S
Scott Ericksen5:17
Well, you know, I was active in the club for 32 years, so you're talking about 32 New Year's parties. I can't remember which one they're talking about. I'm sure there's a story behind every one, and I don't recall you interrupting me on that. No, I don't.
H
Host5:36
Got you. So, kind of an aside here: you say 32 years in the club, there were 32 New Year's parties. Was there maybe a holiday or whatever which was the party to look forward to? Because most people, you know, New Year's is a big deal, or St. Patrick's Day. Was there like that one?
S
Scott Ericksen6:12
We got campsites. We went to campsites, we partied. It was none of this hotel shit. You know, I've used a rock for a fucking pillow before, and laid there in my own vomit. I'm not complaining; that's the way it was. We partied hard, and we didn't have no beds. It was just a party time. And there was a lot of parties, a lot of good times, and it was way different back then than it is now.
H
Host6:42
Got you. All right, so we had a submission saying, 'I want to join a motorcycle club. Should I, and what advice would you give me?' So what are we talking here? Are we... whether or not I should join a writing club? There's probably something a little bit wrong with you. So let's go with the angle that he's talking about a one-percenter or three-piece patch traditional motorcycle club. Okay, so look, this is a deal. You're going to join this bike club. The first thing that's going to happen is, once you get in, you got a full commitment to the bike club. So what's going to happen is you're going to start distancing yourself from the ones you love, and they're gonna notice it. Right. Second of all, you got a good chance of going to prison. You want to go to prison? Good chance. It happened to me. Okay. Guess who's accessory? Okay. Take all these into consideration before you do anything. You know what, there's a lot of good times, there is camaraderie. But you know what, this shit's real. The bad is real. What can happen to you is real. So make a decision if you're willing to sacrifice these things, because you really need to think about that. There's going to be sacrifice. It's just not all party and riding. I mean, there's obligation, commitment, there's dues. Know the whole thing, what you're getting into. I hope I gave you some good advice.
Yeah, sounds good. Slapped off of that stuff. I probably still need to do it, especially for my mom and my wife, but it's been a minute. But I still got some skills there if I have to apply it. Yeah, that makes sense. So I don't remember, Junior, if I actually asked you this or not, but going back to that poetry: you said you would write poems for some of the people that were in the pen with you, and you were selling those poems. I don't remember if I asked you how much the going rate for a Junior Ericsson poem was in prison. So do you remember how much you were selling your poems for?
S
Scott Ericksen9:47
Yeah, that was easy. It was two Top Ramens.
H
Host9:52
Two Top Ramens? Yeah, I wanted beef. I want... oh, that's great. That's great. So all right, one for you'll be a lot of... I love using it. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Well, you know, I can't write poetry, so I need you to write something. My anniversary is coming up, so you know, that's what I'm going to give my wife for our anniversary: a poem. I can do something for you. There we go. I love it. Okay, next up: 'I've seen you on TV and of course heard you on this podcast. Would you ever consider starting your own podcast?'
S
Scott Ericksen10:39
You know, I've considered it. Right now, I've got a full-time job. I'd like to retire maybe next year if things allow. It might be something I consider maybe later down the line, but... okay, so you're not saying no, though.
H
Host11:12
I'm not saying no. You know, we've actually... I do have another brother that we've discussed doing a podcast together. We've kind of designed a couple little things about it, but is it in the near future? No, it can't be that. It's not that close.
Gotcha. I'm sure there's a lot of people that would want to listen to it, so don't dismiss that idea just yet, Junior. Harley-Davidson is now making electric motorcycles. What's Junior's take on electric Harley-Davidsons?
S
Scott Ericksen11:54
Okay, so let me think about that a minute. Stuff, but my concern is this: when I'm going down the road and the Harley's next to me, I know it's a Harley by the sound of the motor. You know, everybody said loud pipes save lives. Well, you know what, I believe that. And I think the sound of a motorcycle is part of the safety feature and awareness to other vehicles. I mean, what are you gonna do, go down the freeway splitting lanes on a silent bike? No one even hears you coming. So am I against them? No. I mean, who's gonna stand in the way of progress? But would I buy one? Do I think they're safe? No. You know, you got all the odds against you anyway when you're riding a bike. Now you're going to take the sound away. They're not going to see you. They hardly ever see you to begin with. Now they can't... part of that is that loud pipes save lives. This isn't me trying to rev on the throttle and show off and do all that crap. I want you to hear me because most of the time you can't see me. And I guess... and I said I wasn't gonna do any opinions, but I think you're gonna agree with me on this one. When you're in the cage, when you're in your regular vehicle, and you miss a bike, you almost feel like shit, right? You're like, 'I didn't see that guy.' And you think to yourself, 'Man, that could have been me,' you know, because I ride a bike too, and I didn't see that guy. How are these people in cages missing all these bikes? And I literally just missed one.
H
Host13:50
I agree 100%. You know, the thing is, in California, these guys are fucking splitting lanes. You're gonna cut somebody out, it's gonna be a mess. That's just my opinion.
S
Scott Ericksen14:16
I agree with you. Yeah, we share the same opinion on that. All right, next up: you said, and this is a quote, you said you 'did a lot of damage in the club.' Can you elaborate on that?
I can't elaborate on that.
H
Host14:36
All right, works for me. If you could have done it over again, would you have stayed in Hawaii?
S
Scott Ericksen14:47
You know what, I'll be honest with you. So I went to Hawaii when I was a junior in high school. All these guys that have grown up together... here I was, all of a sudden, with a bunch of dudes that had grown up since grammar school together, all local boys, and I wasn't accepted. So it wasn't a good experience for me. I mean, I was fighting dudes at the beach, I was fighting dudes on the football fields, I was fighting dudes on the way home from school. And after a couple certain things, you know, I made the football team, I became a starting guard. Once they saw that I was a badass, I became one of them. But the process of being accepted wasn't fun. So from the day I got there, I was plotting... there's not a lot to see. You can see it all in a day or two. It's expensive. No, I don't regret leaving one bit.
H
Host16:21
So, follow up to that is: Hawaii, what most mainland Americans think it is, we see the commercials of basically the American paradise, a holiday destination, a vacation destination. Is it really that?
S
Scott Ericksen16:41
You know, if you want to go to Hawaii, my advice is go to the island of Kauai. It's the jungle isle. They shoot movies there. I think... what's the dinosaur movie? Oh, Jurassic... I mean, you know, you got all the same stuff in Hawaii: high-rises, crime, hookers. It's all the same in downtown Honolulu. Nothing's any different. So if you're going to go there, go to Maui or Kauai, somewhere you can enjoy the beaches, the palm trees, the coconuts. But be prepared to bring a good-sized credit card, because you're going to need it over there.
H
Host17:35
Right, yeah, it's not cheap. In fact, there's like TV commercials where it's like, 'This hamburger's 99 cents, but not in Alaska, in Hawaii.' And I always picture everything being just so much more expensive over there. So yeah. So people have said to other people... that shit. Well, you know, I can only speak for myself. So let me tell you how I would do it. So what I do is, if I see somebody that I think could be an asset to a motorcycle club, say my motorcycle club at the time, I would ask them if they would like to hang out, come to a party, go for a ride. Because you know what, I want to get to know this person. And then what I'm going to do is I'm going to wait. It could take a year, a year. I'm going to wait for him to ask me to prospect. I'm not asking anybody to prospect. I'm not asking anybody to join this club. They have to earn that. They're going to ask me. They're going to have to prospect, and then I'm going to contemplate that and tell you what, I think you're ready. That's how that goes. You know, if a club comes up and says, 'Hey, you want to join my club?' Beware. Some me, right? That's my opinion.
Oh, you made me have like two questions, but I'm just going to stick to the one. You use the term 'asset.' I've identified somebody that might be an asset. Can you elaborate on the assets you might be looking for?
S
Scott Ericksen19:40
Yes. I'm looking for brotherhood. I'm looking for a guy that's got brethren. I'm looking for a guy that ain't gonna leave me hanging somewhere if shit goes south. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking for a guy that if I need a ride somewhere, he's gonna come get me. You know what, and if the guy can fight, that's an extra. But I'm looking for a brother first of all. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm looking for. I don't give a fuck. You can be trained to do all the rest of the other shit. You know what I'm saying? I want somebody that's got it right here in their fucking heart: a brotherhood. And that's an asset.
H
Host20:35
Would you agree that can't be taught? The brotherhood part, it's either in you or it's not.
S
Scott Ericksen20:42
Well, you know what, there's two reasons somebody joins the club. They're looking for brotherhood and they've got it in them, right? Or they're a coward, they're looking for protection. So... looking for why they want to come in, what it's all about. I mean, what they want to do, they want to come in for what? For more girlfriends? I don't know what they're coming for. Some kind of... you know what, I want a guy that's going to come in that wants to be a brother, that wants to offer himself 100% as a brother. Brotherhood is the main thing. I'm not looking for nothing else. Like I said, if the guy can fight, and he ain't... and you know, you don't want no bitch, that's for sure. If the guy can handle himself and he's got all the brotherhood, that's an asset. And that's the kind of people I would look for when I was in the club.
H
Host21:53
Gotcha. So... and why are clubs called gangs?
S
Scott Ericksen22:18
Well, here's what I gotta say to that. So a motorcycle club is made up of men. It's made up of individuals, made up of human beings. I mean, you're only going to get what you get. You're not recruiting perfect people. Most of the guys got issues or they wouldn't be coming into a bike club anyway. So this is what it boils down to: the people you recruit in your club is what your club is gonna be. Do I use the word 'gang'? I've never used it, and I refuse to use it as a motorcycle club. But I can see where maybe law enforcement... but you know, do I refer to a motorcycle club as a gang? No, I refuse to do it. I think it's more of a law enforcement term. But then again, you are who you recruit. You want good, you got to recruit good people, solid people. You've got to have rules and regulations, you've got to do background checks. You got to know what you're doing when you're bringing these people in. And that's what you got to do.
H
Host23:43
Got you. So, back in your day, and once again I'm just quoting what somebody's saying, so back in your day, if you saw someone wearing a 'Support Your Local Mongols' shirt... because they ain't getting them shirts. The shirts was to come from one of us. So if he's wearing that shirt, he's supporting me, I'm supporting him. All right, so that's kind of interesting. That leads me to an extra question there. So you can't just go on Amazon and buy a 'Support Your Local Mongols' t-shirt. You're gonna have to get that from a club member, is what you're saying?
S
Scott Ericksen24:42
Well, in a real one, I guess so. Let's put it that way. I keep forgetting that I was in the club 40 years ago. I'm talking about when I came... and they gave them out to friends and family and people they like. I don't really... like I said, when I was doing my thing, Mongols support stickers, support shirts, they came from us. That's how they got them. And if you were aware when you got them from us, and you know what, I'll buy you a beer.
H
Host25:37
So of course, in this, it did say 'back in your day,' right? So you would have known... it might not have been you, but one of your brothers gave that person that... and in that definition, then you realize they're good folk.
S
Scott Ericksen25:54
That's a terrible... walk when I came in. You know what it was? No, it wasn't no game. And like I said, anybody wearing a support shirt, that's important. The Mongols Motorcycle Club back in my day... I think that was a question, right? Back in my day, yeah. If they were wearing that shirt, they were one, they were close to us, and I'm more or less connected to somebody in the chapter almost 100% sure if they're wearing that shirt. So I would probably know them if they had that shirt on back in my day. And like I said, I'd buy them another beer. Not only that, but I'd have their back in a bar. And they better have mine too if they're wearing that shirt. Absolutely.
H
Host26:54
So... I'm going to give a little tester. So my heritage: my mother is full-blooded Italian, and my father was a Russian German Jew. So I'm half Italian, half Jewish. I'm not Norwegian, I'm not a Viking. Erickson is my adopted name. I'm proud of the Erickson name. That's what I go by. I'll go by it my whole life. You know, I was raised by Gene Erickson and Genevieve Erickson, and I couldn't ask for better parents.
Oh, that's cool. So with your adopted parents then... from Texas. And I'm not sure with his background, our last name Erickson, the spelling is a little different. I know there was some American Native in his family, I believe Cherokee. And I'm not really sure where they came from on my dad's side. On my adopted mother's side, she was born in North Shell, New York. And she's my adopted mother's Italian, as well as my biological mother was full-blooded Italian.
Got you. So... him, you know, I got to be honest with you, the Jesse Ventura thing... he was in before my time. Even though he came from my area, I was San Diego chapter in '80, and I believe he was either San Diego or South Bay chapter, which was basically the same area. My San Diego chapter was East County San Diego, and South Bay chapter was South County San Diego. I'm not sure really what chapter, I'm not sure which one he was in. But by the time I came in, he was gone. From what I understand, he wasn't in for a long time, maybe a couple of years. But I really can't... yes.
I know that is like a yes/no question, but you want to elaborate on that? I mean, especially you know, I've had a couple of issues. Let me give... I'm not gonna sit here and preach on tape. Do I believe in organized religion? Not really. I'm not really an organized religion kind of guy. But I'm gonna tell you some experiences I had. You know, it seems like every time I've really needed something and I've wanted something, and I've been mad enough to get down on my knees and ask for it, I've got it. Let me give an example. I got a writ of habeas corpus on my last case. God, hey, you know what, I asked Him, I said, 'I need some help here.' You know, I didn't do the whole fucking thing they said. I'm just getting out here. And I got a reversal on my case. And you know, the judge that reversed it said he hadn't reversed a case in 25 years. The same guy that sent me. And I believe it was divine intervention. I mean, how many people doing a 14-year sentence get an overturn on a writ of habeas corpus? And I prayed, and it happened. And you know what, I believe that it was a higher power that did it. It doesn't happen. And that's my belief on that.
Choose your flavor: Christian, Jew, Muslim. And they get in that prison situation, and they realize, 'I've got to have something like a higher power to help get me through this.' Did you experience that among the people you were in prison with?
S
Scott Ericksen32:29
You know, there's a couple different kinds of people. There's people that maybe go to the church to hide. There's people that go to church because they're believers. I think on the yard, we were on the yard, we all knew which ones were which. And the ones that were true believers, we were accepted as believers. And yeah, you know who's who, why they're there.
H
Host33:11
Don't know if a man or a woman asked this question, but: how many women have you been with?
S
Scott Ericksen33:22
Okay, let me count: one, two, three... you know what, hey, I'm gonna tell you this: I'm happily married. I got respect from my wife. She's my partner, she's my life partner. And that's something I wouldn't even want to comment on. I just won't go there, out of respect for my wife and all the females that are watching this. I'm not going to comment on that.
H
Host34:12
So does the patch make it easier to get women into bed?
S
Scott Ericksen34:16
Yes.
H
Host34:22
We're good with just a yes on that. You don't want to elaborate? I mean, I don't know how you want me to elaborate on that. I don't want to... something about that fabric on your back draws them in. And that is a fact.
So kind of going back to the reasons why people want to join a club that maybe are the wrong reasons, and you talk about that asset, figuring somebody out. Somebody's coming along and you're thinking, 'Okay, this guy's just hunting women and he wants that patch on his back, and that's really what he's here for.' Well, you know, that's what I said earlier. That's what the prospecting period is about. You know, we're trying to... I can't say 'weird' because I'm not involved with anything right now with the club. But when I was doing it, that's what prospecting is about: you want to try and find out the guy's real reason for wanting to join this club. And you know, like I said, there's a myth: there's a lot of drugs, there's a lot of women. Well, you know what, maybe back in my day there was a little bit of that going on. I don't think it was to the extent of what everybody thought it was. But a guy like that, I'm not looking... I wasn't looking for a guy like that. You know what I'm saying? I keep saying, like I said, I wasn't looking for a guy like that. So that's part of the vetting, I guess. The prospecting is trying to figure out who these guys are.
So one question that kind of popped into my mind, this isn't on the list: let's talk about tattoos. You've done this a couple of times in the video, we can tell you've got tattoos. Are tattoos necessary to be in a motorcycle club?
S
Scott Ericksen36:54
No.
H
Host37:11
Getting a tattoo... but he always told me the only two people that get tattoos are bikers and sailors. Now, you got to remember, my dad's 85 years old, right? So that was back in his day. Nowadays, tattoos are fashionable. Everybody and their brother gets a tattoo, and it's not that big of a deal. But let's go back to back in your day. Was that almost kind of true, that it was bikers and sailors with tattoos? And how important are those tattoos to the biker culture?
S
Scott Ericksen37:43
Well, you know, I think a tattoo is a representation of what's most important to the individual. Some guys get their babies' names on them, some guys get their wife's name tattooed on their chest. I've got my wife's name tattooed on me. 100% loyal to a motorcycle club, you know, they're gonna want a tattoo that brands the motorcycle club insignia on them to show their loyalty. So maybe your dad had a little something going on with that thought. Yeah, I think the guys, sailors, branded their loyalty to the country by putting the name of their ship on them, or loyalty to their wives by their names. Maybe they thought they weren't coming back from the service. You know, I guess tattoos represent what you're loyal to, and you want to mark them on your body and show everybody what your loyalties are.
H
Host39:11
You know, everybody's getting tattoos on their face now. What do you think about that, being kind of old school with the tattoos?
S
Scott Ericksen39:19
Well, you know what, I'm not a face tattoo guy. I still need to earn a living for my family. I need to go out in public, and I draw enough attention as it is. I don't need any tattoos on my face. I'm thinking maybe the guy that has a tattoo on his face is self-employed or inherited a lot of money. Maybe he's not worried about anything else. But me personally, I'm not a face tattoo fan.
H
Host39:48
Got you. All right, so this next one might come a little touchy, so I'm gonna... did you really do it?
S
Scott Ericksen40:14
Yes.
H
Host40:17
Do you regret doing it?
S
Scott Ericksen40:20
You know, I'm gonna tell you: I think about that incident often in my head. Do I regret taking a human life? I do. I wish there was another way around it. But at the time, it was necessary. At the time, it was a necessary thing for the Mongols to do, a necessary thing for me to do. And it had to be done. It was just necessary. It had to be done. So do I regret taking a life? I do.
H
Host41:10
We want to ask that... some people have shot in some stuff. But before I ask that question, has there anything that I've missed? Is there anything I missed that maybe somebody should have shot a question to you that hadn't been in the books, hadn't been on the podcast, hadn't been covered, that you just like, 'Hey, I don't know why no one has asked me this question,' and just want to get something out there while you have this platform?
S
Scott Ericksen41:47
You know, I think we're good on the questions. I'm happy with everything. I just want everybody that's watching this to know that, hey, I don't bullshit at everybody. I tell a bunch of lies? I'm going to tell you how it is. This is all my opinion. My ex-club, the club that I was in, I respect those guys. I had a lot of good times. But this is my opinion. This is Scott Junior Erickson talking, and that's all. This is not the Mongols, this is me talking. And I'm good with the questions. I just hope I answered everybody's questions as I would answer them. And that's what I'm doing.
H
Host42:43
Got you. All right, so last question. Of course, this has nothing to do with 'back in your day,' right? This is kind of a current event, current topic. And it's... don't know if it's national or international. President of the Mongols, Little Dave, was identified as a federal informant. That kind of came out in some Reddit posts, some stuff all over the internet, that he's been this informant for a while. Your thoughts, your comments?
S
Scott Ericksen43:41
You know what, dude, I'm gonna tell you right now: I'm fucking sick and tired of people asking me about this shit. You know what? How many times do I gotta fucking say it? I'm tired of answering it. You know what? I don't want to talk about it. I'm not going to talk about it. Okay.
N
Narrator44:12
Thanks for tuning in to this episode of The Wolf and the Shepherd, and we will catch you on the next one.
Thanks for listening to this episode of The Wolf and the Shepherd podcast. If you like what you just heard, we hope you'll pass along our web address, thewolfandtheshepherd.com, to your friends and colleagues. And please leave us a positive review on iTunes when you get a chance. Check us out on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter for additional content. Join us next time for another episode of The Wolf and the Shepherd.