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Jack Dorsey said Square's success came from discovering the real need behind the product, not a grand vision. He recalled that when they built a credit card reader, merchants didn't want to accept cards but wanted to make sales, which led them to expand into point of sale, lending, and other services. He noted that after 16 years, they can now save sellers 1% on transaction fees. Dorsey described four pivotal moments where they defied conventional wisdom: Visa initially refused to let them use its network for nine months; the board opposed Square Capital (now Square Loans) for six months; everyone inside the company hated Cash App, which they mentioned only eight times in the S-1; and Bitcoin was widely opposed, but they bet on it as an alternative to Visa and Mastercard. He said leaders must accept losing credibility to pursue what they believe is right.
Key takeaways
Visa told Square it would never work and blocked network access for nine months before they proved it out.
Square's board opposed Square Capital for six months, but the product gave sellers $1,000 to $5,000 as an invite, not a request.
Cash App was hated internally and mentioned only eight times in the S-1, yet it succeeded.
Dorsey bet on Bitcoin as an open network alternative to Visa and Mastercard, despite widespread opposition.
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Okay, we're going to go back to the beginning, the early days. You both, when you started out, had a lot more in mind than just a product or a new service. You both had big, bold, disruptive visions and weren't willing to accept things as they were. Randy, what made you think that you could take a hot dog cart amongst a sea of other hot dog carts while you were, I believe, in fine dining at the time, and turn it into what is now Shake Shack?
I won't bore you with the whole story, but for all of you small sellers in the room, we were just a fine dining company, one restaurant at a time — Union Square Cafe, Gramercy Tavern, The Modern — and we put out a hot dog cart one day to raise money for an art project. And 50 people lined up, and 100 people lined up, and we ran that hot dog cart for three years and nobody wanted to deal with it. It was a pain in the ass. We were busy running fine dining restaurants, and it turned into this little burger joint. But it wasn't for nearly seven years after the hot dog cart that we opened our second location. And I think we never sat there and said, 'Let's have 500 restaurants or let's have an IPO.' And I think that's exactly why it happened. We just cared about one burger at a time for years and years and years. We surrounded ourselves with the most high-energy, fun, naive, young group of leaders who just wanted to kick ass doing one great thing. And because of that, we earned the right to do a second great thing, and then a third, and then a fourth. And it just went truly organically. And I think if I had known everything I know today and you put me back in that job 25 years ago, I would have messed it up. And that was the whole beauty of just being a single-unit operator having fun.
Yeah. Jack, you first launched a product that helped people take payments, but I know from the beginning your vision was much broader and tied to economic empowerment, and you kept building. How has that kind of bigger, more disruptive vision shaped both the problems you tackle and where you focus the team?
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Dorsey, J. (2026, September 30). Why Square Nearly Failed Before It Even Started: Jack Dorsey on Pitching Visa [Interview transcript]. Road to C-Suite. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/2951209/
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Jack Dorsey. "Why Square Nearly Failed Before It Even Started: Jack Dorsey on Pitching Visa." Road to C-Suite, 30 Sep. 2026. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/2951209/.
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@misc{dorsey2026_2951209,
author = {Jack Dorsey},
title = {Why Square Nearly Failed Before It Even Started: Jack Dorsey on Pitching Visa},
howpublished = {Interview transcript, Road to C-Suite. CEOInterviews.AI},
year = {2026},
month = {sep},
url = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/2951209/},
note = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}
