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Adam Tooze
Professor of History; Author of Chartbook, Columbia University

Trumpflation: Price Shock at the Gas Pump

📅 Oct 07, 2026 Heinrich-Böll-Stiftung 41 MIN 137 VIEWS 30 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
This month, unfortunately, there is no video recording due to technical problems—we'll see you again in the next episode. A few weeks ago, elections were held in Berlin and Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania. Shortly before the election, the coalition agreed on a fuel discount, making it the third fuel discount since 2022. These fuel discounts cost seven billion euros over the years, some of which ended up with the oil companies. Meanwhile, the coalition is making the Deutschlandticket increasingly expensive. And that's exactly where we want to dive deeper. We discuss how fossil fuels lead to ris...

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Adam Tooze discussed the political and economic dimensions of fossil-fuel-driven inflation. He argued that cost-of-living concerns create a common pool of fears that can be mobilized by both left and right, but do not alone explain electoral outcomes. He attributed the current diesel and gasoline price shock to the war in the Persian Gulf and Ukraine's attacks on Russian refineries, noting that the Middle East's petrochemical complex, responsible for around 20% of global refinery production, is now a battlefield. Tooze criticized a potential US export ban on refined products, explaining that refinery outputs are produced in fixed proportions, so blocking diesel exports would disrupt gasoline supply. He called the German fuel tax rebate a poorly targeted, regressive fossil-fuel subsidy and advocated for price stabilization at a high level with clear long-term signals, investment in the energy transition, and political accountability for oligopolies profiting from price shocks.

Key takeaways

  1. A diesel price shock of 20-30% can account for 0.6-1% of inflation, roughly a third of current inflation.
  2. The Middle East's petrochemical complex, not just oil wells, is a battlefield and responsible for about 20% of global refinery product production.
  3. The German fuel tax rebate is a regressive, poorly targeted fossil-fuel subsidy that reinforces the AfD's reactionary energy transition narrative.
  4. Climateflation is currently a price shock, but by the 2030s-2040s, ongoing effects of 1% plus are expected, consuming half of the 2% price stability target.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
20-30% Diesel price shock magnitude metric 6:02
0.6-1% Inflation impact from diesel shock metric 6:02
20% Share of global refinery product production from Middle East metric 9:06
1.5 million barrels per day US refined product export volume metric 16:09
40% gasoline, 30% diesel, 25% other products Fixed proportions of refinery output from a barrel of crude metric 16:09
0.5-1% Price shock from 2022 heatwave in Europe per ECB studies metric 23:28
1% plus Expected ongoing inflation effects from climate destabilization by 2030s-2040s metric 23:28
2% Price stability target metric 23:28
7 billion Total cost of third fuel tax rebate commitment 28:00
9.50 euros per month Average driver's benefit from fuel tax rebate metric 31:51

Chapters

  1. 0:00Cost of living and right-wing populism
  2. 6:02Diesel price shock and refining bottleneck
  3. 9:06Middle East petrochemical complex as battlefield
  4. 12:36Ukraine's refinery strikes and global diesel market
  5. 16:09US export ban debate and refinery economics
  6. 23:28Climateflation and price-gouging politics
  7. 28:38Critique of fuel tax rebate
  8. 32:26Alternative policy: price stabilization and energy transition

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 0:37How do fossil fuels — and with them, ultimately, the climate crisis — connect to the rising prices we all feel?
  2. 1:50And finally, because here in Berlin it's also the debate with the election — has Die Linke here, or perhaps Zohran Mamdani in New York, found an answer to this?
  3. 5:00How do diesel prices actually drive inflation across the whole economy?
  4. 8:19... first look at the Persian Gulf — we've already discussed this several times in this podcast, most recently in April and May — what are the motivations and developments that are now specifically driving gasoline and diesel prices so high?
  5. 11:39How do you see this constellation?
  6. 15:32How is the debate currently going in this area?
  7. 19:08Yes, and I believe, from what I've gathered from the debate, that it's also not in the interest of the US refinery owners, right?
  8. 22:33So is it a fair framing when we say that, ultimately, the world economy's dependence on fossil fuels is inflationary in a double way — driven by fossil fuels?
  9. 28:00From your perspective, is this money well spent?
  10. 29:57Well, and a criticism that is frequently raised is the watering-can principle, right?
Adam Tooze 0:03 ↗
Those, for me, are the three dimensions of a sensible policy: a clear stance and a clear line on long-term price development. We have to move in the right direction and cannot be deterred. Truly substantial resource mobilization to cushion short-term hardships and enable the transition. And then, in a sense, political accountability — the question of who the beneficiaries are and how we regulate the economy. Where are the oligopolies that have exploited these price shocks for themselves?
Sarah Ribert 0:37 ↗
Markets, powers, emissions — the state of the world with Adam Tooze. A few weeks ago, elections were held in Berlin and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The polls beforehand looked pretty bleak for the Union; a bitter defeat seemed to be on the cards. So what did the coalition do? Just before the election, quite literally at the last minute, they agreed on a fuel tax rebate — already the third since 2022. And by now we know it hasn't really achieved much. And that's exactly what we want to dig into today. How do fossil fuels — and with them, ultimately, the climate crisis — connect to the rising prices we all feel? We'll look at what this fossil-fuel-driven inflation means politically, and also what geopolitical factors lie behind it. As always, we're discussing this with Adam Tooze, professor and economic historian at Columbia University in New York. My name is Sarah Ribert, and I'm Jörg Haas, and this is a podcast of the Heinrich Böll Foundation. And with that, let's get started. Hello, Adam.
Hi Adam. One of the central concerns of many people in elections in many countries around the world was inflation. Everything is getting more expensive — food, housing, mobility, energy. More precisely, it's about price shocks that are often not matched by corresponding wage increases. They are seen as one of the most important causes of the right-wing populist wave currently sweeping the world. So how do you see the role of these price increases as a cause of the rise of right-wing populist forces? And finally, because here in Berlin it's also the debate with the election — has Die Linke here, or perhaps Zohran Mamdani in New York, found an answer to this?
Adam Tooze 2:34 ↗
Yes, honestly, this is a controversial topic. It's a very complicated topic, I think. And as you already hinted, Sarah, the question of the cost of living can play out politically in very different ways. That is, in Berlin and New York we've seen electoral movements to the left that were presumably driven by concerns about the cost of living. But it is also clear, I think, that the price shock in America in 2024 contributed to Trump's electoral success. And it is also the case that AfD voters report major inflation concerns and, overall, naturally, name the cost of living and their financial conditions as their main point of concern. So I think there is, in a sense, a common pool of fears and worries. Beyond that, there is the feeling that these concerns are not being answered by the centrist parties of the establishment, of the status quo, and then people look for answers. And I think there is a certain space for the articulation of more or less credible answers. And that includes, I think, a) addressing the topic, b) promising to go big rather than small — that is, to actually do something. And third comes the question of credibility. I think the formula is very complex. What works in New York or in Berlin must be formulated quite differently for a right-wing electoral victory in Saxony-Anhalt or Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. But I think what is important is to plant a flag on a contentious issue — whether it's Gaza in Mamdani's case or, in the AfD's case, the question of migration and racism — to position oneself and thereby establish credibility. And then come the social and economic questions that can be mobilized. So I'm skeptical that inflation or the cost of living per se explain the electoral decision, but they are, in a sense, part of the context for a politics that is searching for radical answers, which can receive answers from both the right and the left.
Sarah Ribert 5:00 ↗
Let's turn to fossil fuels, which are a major cause of the price increases. There are two paths. One path goes through price shocks on the international oil and gas markets. Isabel Schnabel, member of the Executive Board of the European Central Bank, coined the term "fossilflation" for this — something like fossil-fuel inflation. And the other path goes through the combustion of fossil fuels and its consequences. We all know that's the climate crisis. Schnabel spoke of "climateflation," and we want to shed light on both in this podcast. But let's start with oil and gas prices. There has now been a new price shock, and it particularly affects refinery products — gasoline and diesel. Paul Krugman analyzed this very nicely for the US, showing that diesel prices have risen more than oil prices. How do diesel prices actually drive inflation across the whole economy?
Adam Tooze 6:02 ↗
Yes, that's a really interesting question. Well, we all know that the war against Iran, triggered by Israel and America, has tightened global oil supplies. When people think of oil, they think of gasoline and diesel, but in between lies the entire refining complex. That is, what actually constitutes the petrochemical industry is not just the gushing oil wells, but also the processing. And a lot is happening in this area right now. In a sense, all the action is there. Oil prices, as we know, haven't risen as high as we expected. And that has to do, among other things, with a bottleneck in refining, so refineries aren't buying more oil because they can't process it. But at the other end — that is, on the gasoline and diesel market — this naturally hits even harder, because there is suddenly a real shortage. That changes everything, because freight transport accounts for about 70% of logistics, which we run primarily on diesel — also in America, where diesel for passenger cars is very, very rare. Diesel is also used in agriculture, and that feeds through to food and other consumer goods. On top of that, the elasticity of this demand — a lot of heavy words in German — for gasoline consumption, one might think households would reconsider driving. But in logistics and agriculture, you have to keep the tractor or the truck running, no matter what the prices are. So this is genuinely an important inflation hotspot, and it's estimated that a diesel shock of 20 to 30%, as we're seeing now, can easily account for a price shock of 0.6 to 1% of the inflation indicator. So roughly a third of current inflation could be explained by this fossil-fuel price shock.
Sarah Ribert 8:19 ↗
When we look at the geopolitical background — why gasoline and diesel are so scarce and expensive right now — two armed conflicts play a major role. One is the war in the Persian Gulf, which, as we know, was set off by Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu. And the other is the war in Ukraine, where Ukraine, in its defensive struggle, has also attacked Russian refineries. If we first look at the Persian Gulf — we've already discussed this several times in this podcast, most recently in April and May — what are the motivations and developments that are now specifically driving gasoline and diesel prices so high?
Adam Tooze 9:06 ↗
Yes, there are two dimensions. One is the historical development of the petrochemical complex over the last ten years. When people think of the Middle East, they immediately think of oil wells — oil coming out of the ground. But what you also have to consider, especially over the last ten to fifteen years, is the rest of the value chain — the refineries, the production of gasoline and diesel. And the major players in the Middle East have invested enormously in this over the past ten years. So what's at stake in the Middle East is not just the oil wells, but the petrochemical complex itself. They are responsible for around 20% of global refinery product production. And this also leads to a crowding-out effect: because the big producers, like Aramco in Saudi Arabia, are investing in the value chain, it no longer pays for the West — Europe and America — to invest in this sector. So over the past 30 years, hardly any refinery complexes, or none at all, have been built in the West. This naturally creates great vulnerability to supply chain disruptions. And it is this complex that is now threatened by Iranian counterattacks. We know this from LNG — we discussed it at the beginning of the war in this podcast. That is, in the highly complex production of gas exports, but it also affects the refining complex for oil, diesel, and gasoline. Beyond that, there is a kind of emergency valve in Saudi Arabia for Saudi oil exports. This concerns the crude — that is, raw oil. There was a pipeline running from the Persian Gulf across the country, providing further connections to the world market. And various actors have now attacked this pipeline. So crude oil exports and refinery production are threatened, and this simply underscores the enormous complexity and scale of this complex. So this is not just about classic oil wells somewhere in the desert, but about an absolutely enormous petrochemical complex that has become, in a sense, a battlefield. And that is the main force behind the tightening of global supply.
Sarah Ribert 11:39 ↗
Yes, a second theater that has been mentioned — and which Trump has now brought into play — is Ukraine, or the war between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine itself is under massive pressure, being bombarded massively. We see it practically daily in the news. And Ukraine is striking back with long-range drones, and over the past few months it has been quite successful in hitting refineries there again. These are giant complexes, they make good targets, and they burn quite well. Now, Trump apparently, in his meeting with Zelensky, urged him to stop the attacks on Russian refineries in order to relieve the world market. That seems a bit strange, since he himself caused the crisis on the world market and is now pressuring the victim of an attack to help him out of a jam. How do you see this constellation?
Adam Tooze 12:36 ↗
First of all, one has to have the utmost respect for Ukraine's success here. I mean, it's incredible that they managed to expand this war — which they were practically forced to fight on their own territory for years — onto Russia itself. And not only that, but in a way that actually produces real strategic effects. For a country fighting against such odds as Ukraine, with such a massive imbalance of forces, this is absolutely incredible. And the counterpart in the Middle East is, of course, the Houthis, who with even fewer resources produce huge effects in their attacks on Saudi Arabia. So we're seeing a radically new form of warfare, where Russia arrives with the classic heavy equipment — ballistic missiles, etc. — and Ukraine manages to strike strategic industrial infrastructure with these means. Simply, respect. The second point is that Trump is, of course, exaggerating, and Trump is absolutely cynical. It is very clear that the question of Russian supply is being overstated threefold by the disruption of diesel supplies from the Gulf — the war for which Trump himself must take responsibility. So this is a fig leaf; these are cynical arguments now being put forward from Washington. You can't take them seriously in this form. But the third aspect is the question of how it's possible that what Ukraine is now doing in Russia has an impact on the global market. One might think of oil and these refineries as relatively regional or even local facilities. I don't know — if you live in certain parts of Germany, you can see refineries. You imagine crude oil being delivered, and then gasoline and diesel being conjured from it, and then you consume it at the gas station. That's true for many markets. But the reason why this question of Russia and the Middle East is so important is that very large shares of the global market are now traded globally. And the conclusion is that, just as with crude oil, there is a global price for diesel — or at least a price that settles globally. So if supplies from Russia are interrupted, that hits the global market, and it doesn't take a huge drop to move this market considerably, because this market normally settles relatively stably, and if something is missing — a margin is missing — that leads to significant price movements.
Sarah Ribert 15:32 ↗
Yes, the last debate I've been following in the media is in the US, about a possible export ban on US gasoline and diesel in order to stabilize domestic prices. The US is a very large oil producer, and the idea is to try to keep domestic prices low. What I'm reading is that this could also hit Europe relatively hard, because a fair amount of gasoline and diesel is exported from the US to Europe. How is the debate currently going in this area?
Adam Tooze 16:09 ↗
Yes, it's a current discussion in America, because the diesel price is genuinely remarkably relevant for America. Nobody drives a diesel car, but the entire trucking sector runs on diesel. So the most American thing of all — these big trucks — run on European engines. So that's already a bit strange. This naturally also affects above all American agriculture, which is a huge lobby and is massively overrepresented in the Senate, because Senate seats are simply distributed by state. Every state, I don't know, Iowa or whatever, has two senators. So there's a real dynamic behind this proposal. America could, of course, secure its own supply, decouple itself from this global market where diesel and gasoline are also traded in refined form — really traded, not just crude oil. But the results of that are genuinely complicated and not easily foreseeable. And one has to hope that the Trump administration doesn't once again, in a sense, discover how the system works by breaking it. Because what's interesting about refineries is that their products are produced in fixed proportions. If you take a barrel of crude oil and put it into the refinery, you get 40% gasoline, 30% diesel, and 25% other products. So if we now move to block exports — that's 1.5 million barrels per day — the question arises: where will American diesel producers store this stuff? Once the storage is full, they have to stop diesel production. But you can't stop diesel production without stopping the production of the remaining 55 to 60% of refinery processes. So the result of a storage bottleneck for diesel would be that America's entire refining complex would slow down, and that would lead to a bottleneck in the supply of gasoline and probably other petrochemical products, and would presumably drive their prices up. So market economies and divisions of labor are genuinely complex weavings with inherent, deeply rooted technological and market-driven logics. And if you just quickly decide, okay, we're going to step in here and block things first, it's not just the Hayekians and the neoliberals saying, "People, look, a lot could go wrong." It's also the engineers in Texas, in the Gulf of Mexico, who will suddenly report to Washington: "Sir, if we don't want to produce diesel anymore, you understand, then we can't produce gasoline either." That will be the problem.
Sarah Ribert 19:08 ↗
Yes, and I believe, from what I've gathered from the debate, that it's also not in the interest of the US refinery owners, right? They're speaking out against it, because they say, well, then our margins will fall. We need the export markets for our own returns, and if we don't have them, we have to produce less, the margin falls, and ultimately ordinary Americans suffer, because gasoline and diesel at the pump become more expensive again.
Adam Tooze 19:38 ↗
I mean, the one thing I wanted to get at is that an intervention in diesel disturbs gasoline, and then gasoline consumers suffer — not diesel consumers. But then there's this other, more structural point you raised, Sarah, and which we've also discussed in the podcast: that America, as a massive consumer and a massive producer, has internalized the conflict between the two sides. That is, you can't simultaneously pursue a policy in America that offers consumers the cheapest fuel and, at the same time, offer producers in Texas or elsewhere the very best profits. That's not an equation that works. And we see this again and again when Trump says, for example, I don't know, I'm going to invade Venezuela and get the oil for America. That's not in the interest of the shale producers. It may well be that it benefits consumers if the refining problems are solved and everything else — we've discussed that before. But this structural conflict keeps arising. It's basically easier for Europeans, because Europe is a massive net importer. There, these conflicts can be resolved relatively easily. One should pursue a policy in the interest of consumers, above all, of course, the energy transition. But for America, there is a genuine structural conflict, and Trump just can't get it right. He just wanders back and forth in his thinking between the idea that it should be cheap and the idea that one should squeeze out the biggest possible profit, and he just can't get it together.
Sarah Ribert 21:14 ↗
Recently, he also asked China, I believe, to ramp up their diesel production again and export more. Because China has built massive capacity. They see the future. We know that even if they make the energy transition in electricity production, China is still a developing country, and the entire region is a developing country, and they know that they will tend to need petrochemical products all around. Refineries are enormously complex structures that produce all sorts of things from a barrel of oil, and they have expanded very, very extensively. That's one of the problem children of the energy transition in China — that this dirty petrochemical complex remains very dynamic. It is increasingly even replacing energy demand as the driver of emissions in China, and they do actually have the capacity.

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