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Microsoft, Meta, and Tesla Earnings, Hill & Valley Preview, ChatGPT Ads with Eric Seufert

📅 Jan 29, 2026 TBPN 199 MIN 6111 VIEWS 655 SEGMENTS · 5 SPEAKERS
Sign up for TBPN’s daily newsletter at TBPN.com 06:59 Apple Acquires Audio AI Startup Q.AI 16:41 Microsoft, Meta, and Tesla Earnings 30:13 𝕏 Timeline Reactions 41:03 SpaceX & xAI Merger 45:38 𝕏 Timeline Reactions 58:59 Google DeepMind's Project Genie 01:11:27 Chrome Debuts “Agentic Browsing” 01:15:17 TikTok Uninstalls Surge 150% 01:19:57 Anton Osika, co-founder and CEO of Lovable, discusses the platform’s rapid growth to $300M ARR, how non-technical users build apps via natural language, and Lovable’s focus on simplicity, security, and democratizing software creation. 01:49:24 Christian Garre...

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  1. 2:05:18Now the launch looks like the launch of Netflix ads, right?
  2. 2:08:42And then one day they weren't, right?
  3. 2:11:13My perception is like great performance marketers are always excited to try new channels, especially a channel that's driving high-intent traffic, right?
  4. 2:13:37So they were using external tech to run the ads, right?
  5. 2:16:47Now you have no idea, to your point, whether this is cannibalizing purchases that would have happened from the people that you advertise on other platforms, right?
  6. 2:20:23If I'm targeting a 90-day recoup on my ad investment and, you know, 120-day, 110% ROAS, what am I doing after 120 days?
  7. 2:27:42That feels like maybe a little bit too on the nose, but who knows?
  8. 2:32:25I mean, the thing about, so one thing you have to remember about TikTok and ByteDance and the whole, like, the parameters of this deal is that they're still licensing the algorithm, right?
  9. 2:35:11And I think maybe when you get to a point where all of this can be done on device, right?
  10. 2:44:58This is still about improving our core models but there is, if you think about science, science has a huge surface area, right?
  11. 2:47:40Why not let the model use that?
  12. 3:02:47Beyond $2,000 it's prosumer or you pay for cars, right?
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You're watching TVN. Today is Thursday, January 29th, 2026. We are live in the TVP Ultrado, the Templar of Technology, the forces of finance capital of capital. Let me tell you about ramp.com. Time is money. Save both. Easy to use corporate cards, bill pay, accounting, a whole lot more. They got Super Bowl ads, too, in just a few days. We're counting down the days to the Ramp Super Bowl ad. We're very excited for it.
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Yeah. I Super Bowl. I learned a fun fact. I think I put it in here. Apparently, they had a Super Bowl back in 2001.
Okay. Have you heard of this? Tell me more.
So, I got followed by this account that's called 2001 Live. 2001 Live. It's 25 years ago Live. It's a cool account. And in here, they flash back to like what was happening, you know, 25 years ago. Every day they post what happened 25 years ago. Kind of a cool account. It followed me. I followed it a while ago, but it followed me and I saw a post in here that said 25 years ago they did a Super Bowl in Tampa, Florida. The Baltimore Ravens beat the New York Giants 34-7.
This is the Ravens' first Super Bowl title. I guess people are not happy about that. I don't know. But anyway, very excited for the Super Bowl. In other news, let's run through the linear lineup.
Pull it up. Meet the system for modern software development. 70% of enterprise workspaces on Linear are using agents and we have a fantastic show. We have Anton from Lovable coming in studio in the Ultrado. Then we got Christian Delian from Hill and Valley breaking down what's going to happen at the Hill and Valley conference in just a few weeks. And then we got Eric.
We need a nickname. No, we love Eric. Of course from Mobile Dev Memo, Heracles Capital. And he's coming out at 1. We're going to talk about ads, chat ads. How's rollout going? Also obviously earnings makes a ton of sense. And then Kevin from OpenAI is coming on again returning to talk about science.
AI and science. AI and science and if we're seeing a Claudebot type moment and feeling the AGI in science what we should be looking for there in 2026. In other AI news of course we will go into earnings and whatnot today. If you're tracking earnings make sure to head over to public.com investing for those that take it seriously. Stocks, options, bonds, crypto, treasuries, and more with great customer service.
So in the news today, Apple said this morning that it has acquired Q.AI, an Israeli startup working on AI technology for audio.
Yeah. Apple didn't disclose the terms. The company was backed by Matter Venture Partners, Kleiner, Spark, Exor, and GV. So nice nice little lineup and great outcome. The Financial Times reported it was worth nearly two billion, so pretty meaningful deal. Apple is not known for, you know, really paying up on a lot of different M&A that they're kind of folding in to their roadmap.
We had Mark Gurman on yesterday talking about how Apple uses M&A effectively to accelerate their roadmap. So according to Reuters, Apple did not say how it will use Q.AI's technology, but said the startup has worked on new applications of machine learning to help devices understand whispered speech and to enhance audio in challenging environments. Q.AI last year filed a patent to use facial skin micro movements to detect words mouthed or spoken.
This is we've seen a couple startups that are, you know, doing like the whisper like what do they call it? It's like telepathy almost. It tracks your mouth movements. So you can just then it like will track what you're saying. Really really crazy.
So facial skin micro movements will be used to identify a person and assess their emotions, heart rate, respiration rate and other indicators. Very sci-fi. Q.AI's 100 employees including the CEO and co-founders will join Apple.
So the founders. Javad Meiselle founded three-dimensional sensing firm Prime Sense and sold it to Apple in 2013.
Absolute dogs. They're doing call. The Prime Sense deal eventually helped Apple move away from fingerprint sensors on its iPhone and toward facial recognition technology.
Interesting. Said joining Apple opens extraordinary possibilities for pushing boundaries and realizing the full potential of what we've created. So very very wild to be going back to Apple for a second time.
And pop quiz for Tyler, why does Apple acquire companies?
I mean, why questions are usually pretty open.
Okay, good answer. But Mark Gurman told us, why does Apple acquire companies? To accelerate the roadmap. Accelerate the roadmap. Yes. And it's funny because I asked him like why are we going to hear Tim Cook say that? And he was like, oh, because earnings, but we're basically hearing them say it today with this surprise acquisition that's obviously the line from Apple. And it makes sense.
This is something that is uniquely acceleratable because of the Apple hardware ecosystem. They can deploy this through AirPods. They can deploy this through the phones just like they did with Face ID. If you have that technology and you're like, oh, well, in order to log into your computer with your face, you're going to need a third-party device that you plug into USB. Like, no one's going to do that.
But if you're just like, yeah, it's going to get baked into the hardware. We have the patents. We have the. And haven't you been wanting them to make more moves in specifically audio and transcription for a while? I've been like an audio interface bull forever, like since I worked at a startup that competed with Siri in 2010 or something like that.
And it was actually a good outcome. I didn't get any equity because I was just an intern, but it was actually a great outcome. They sold to Dragon, naturally speaking, and everyone made a bunch of money. But Siri, here we go. But Siri was like the hot kid on the block back then. And Siri came out of Stanford so they were much closer to Cupertino. These guys came out of MIT very similar natural speech recognition, you know, machine learning pipelines for understanding speech doing dictation.
Their main platform was BlackBerry because BlackBerry was really really big. They had a BlackBerry app store. They did a deal so that you would get like pre-installed so you get a big check from RIM. They did a very interesting out of home campaign where they bought billboards right outside of Research in Motion, the maker of BlackBerry's headquarters because they were advertising.
Yes. AdQ didn't exist then, but they should have used AdQ. Because they were basically they only had one customer effectively. I mean they had every customer that could go buy the app, but then all the other apps that were on either Google and Android quickly rolled out competitive features with Google Assistant. Siri got acquired and so it was very clear that like Apple was not going to be a really fertile ground for playground for them.
And so they needed to get sort of like the attention of the BlackBerry execs and so they put up a billboard right outside their headquarters which I still like as a strategy. I think it's very fun. But yes, I've been very bullish on this. I was thinking back then that, you know, people get their wisdom teeth out. This is very weird in cyberpunk, but if you got your wisdom teeth out, you could potentially like create like add a like a port for storing a microphone.
Any of these? I should have got that. Yeah, exactly. Because a lot of people get them out and then you could just put a port there and you could insert basically the tip of an AirPod, a very very small device that you would charge and then you put it in and then when you're whispering you can just hear it can only hear that and it goes dictation straight to your phone.
Obviously that's unnecessary because you can, you know, do bone induction. You can just also just have a, you know, an AirPod in and just talk out loud and not care what people think. There's those crazy muffled things. You've seen that where you put on the headphones and then it puts like a cover over your mouth so you can talk in public.
Oh yeah, it's silent around you. Connor says, I want my iPhone to unlock only if I silently mouth the words open sesame.
I think could be in the future. I was wondering about that would actually be nice if there was some other element because you still have this like wearing sunglasses trying to unlock your phone. Sometimes some pairs of sunglasses I have it one-shots it, others it's like, you know, pretty annoying.
I was wondering about the quality of whisper transcription these days. Like if I just open up whisper on the ChatGPT app, put my phone in my pocket and just talk, can it just hear through my pants pocket and just dictate perfectly now? Because like AI is so good at transcription that it can be really muffled. Like you can have music playing in the background and talk to whisper and it just won't mess up.
So there is a world where you don't actually need like a separate pin. You just have something anywhere on your body and it knows, okay, this is what John sounds like that. Let's kill all the background noise. Let's kill all the other people talking. Let's isolate that with AI. Like, it seems pretty pretty good for that.
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One more thing on this Q.AI acquisition. They're using going back to their patent using facial scan micro movements to assess emotions, heart rate, respiration rate, and other indicators. You could imagine where a world in the future where you have Apple smart glasses that effectively have like health monitoring because it's tracking respiration, heart rate, all these different things.
And just basically integrating the features you're getting from the Apple Watch today. Yeah. Seems but I wonder what it's really unlocking that the watch can't do. There's always the question when you pitch a new device, it's like, well, your phone does have a camera on it, so you're not This is like the smart glasses aren't the first.
Yeah, but it's a new device, but it's a Lindy form factor, right? Like this something we've talked about in the past. It's like the, you know, the new hardware that's taken off is an existing form factor. It's like headphones, eyewear, you have watches, right? Creating these pendant things so far hasn't hit, right? Because it's like a.
It's fair. I just think like on the heart rate issue specifically, there was an app before the Apple Watch existed where you could put your finger over the camera of the iPhone and it would use the light the flashlight which was right next to the camera at that point to light up your finger.
So your finger would turn red and then it would take the sensor data from the camera and measure the pulses of the red and give you your heart rate just from touching your camera. It's pretty cool. Like it was completely outside of the Apple ecosystem, just an app that you could download or pay for.
And so the phone can take your heart rate, the watch can take your heart rate. If you give me glasses and you say, those glasses can also take your heart rate. I'm like, I got enough heart rate measurement. I can also just go like this and estimate it. Like there's a bunch of ways to know that your heart rate's spiking. Maybe tracking is in different, but it feels like they need to go farther.
And the real opportunity is something more around audio interfaces, link it to Siri, have more ways to triangulate what the person's trying to say, what they're saying in a noisy environment, whether they're trying to be quiet and you still want to isolate what they're saying, having a back and forth, reducing latency.
All of those things are very critical to success in that category. Anyway, we are going to be in San Francisco on February 3rd, next week for Cisco's AI Summit. It's bringing together leaders from Nvidia, OpenAI, AWS and more to discuss the future of the AI economy. The whole thing will be live streamed and we'll be there for a gig stream.
Did the fireworks get longer? I think so. I think they got longer today. There's a lot to celebrate, John. Let's go earnings.
Microsoft. So, Microsoft shares have taken a dive as data center spending overshadows earnings surge. Let's give some numbers here. So, Microsoft's Q4 revenue was $81.3 billion, which was higher than the consensus estimate of 80.23 billion. So, they're making money. There's no lack of demand for Microsoft services.
Q3 2025 revenue was 77.1 billion, up almost 5% and year-over-year group growth was 17% for Microsoft as a whole. But the stock sold off by 12% and Microsoft is now just a tiny little $3.15 trillion company. Not bad, but it's still only down what 6% over the past 5 days. It was a rise.
Yeah, I mean people have been excited about the OpenAI investment which did show up in earnings. So OpenAI owns roughly 25 27% of the new for-profit entity.
Sorry, Microsoft. Microsoft owns 27% of OpenAI's new for-profit entity and that value is actually reflected in Microsoft's earnings. And of course, more importantly, the GPT models are truly frontier. Like we've seen it again and again. There's like this horse race over this model's better at this thing, this model's better today. But it's just very clear that OpenAI is on the frontier and in the conversation for pretty much every application possible.
And so you can just imagine you take GPT 5.2 Pro, you vend that into knowledge work pipelines for Microsoft users. That sounds really useful. They aren't behind on coding. We've heard great stories about how Codex is a great model. Maybe it's a little slow. Maybe they need to speed it up, but people are having a lot of luck with Codex.
And so you can imagine that Microsoft is capable of integrating Codex into all sorts of different pieces of the Microsoft empire to create agentic workflows. And then they also have a deal with Anthropic. They also made an investment. So they are multimodel, multiplatform.
But the problem is that Microsoft seems to be constrained on the data center side. So the CFO Amy Hood said on the Microsoft earnings call that limited availability of artificial intelligence hardware is affecting how quickly Microsoft's cloud business can grow and it's capping Azure's revenue potential.
Not good. They need to take another trip to Abilene. They need to build more data centers. But it's tricky. It takes time and right now maybe it's just a data center capacity issue. What's next? Is it going to be an energy bottleneck? Is it going to be a chip bottleneck? These are stories that we're tracking.
Ben Thompson is starting to sound the alarm bells around TSMC capacity constraints and what is TSMC doing on the capex front? Are they investing enough? Are they at risk of holding the bag if AI stalls out? Are they taking enough risk so that if the AI boom continues that they can continue to deliver and ramp up or will Samsung and Intel need to step up and will companies like Microsoft need to put pressure on those companies. That's another point of debate.
Yeah. So David in the chat is referencing this, but basically obviously it's amazing that Microsoft owns such a big slug of OpenAI. That's great. But the challenge is so much of their backlog is OpenAI and they're actually getting less credit for that. Right? The same way that Oracle had gotten punished for it, now it's Microsoft's chance to actually get punished.
And Microsoft, if you actually zoom out a little bit and just look at the last 6 months, down 17% in the last six months and down 4% over the last year. So, it's funny like in a year where it feels like the last year Satya and Microsoft have just been on this insane run, they've fully, you know, round trip.
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So, Meta also reported earnings yesterday. 59.9 billion in revenue in Q4 of 2025, beating expectations of 58.5. Revenues up 16% from Q3 of last year, which was 51.24. The company's growing its revenue 21% year-over-year. That's higher than Microsoft's 17% topline growth. Stock popped 10% after hours and the market cap is now 1.84 trillion.
So Mark Zuckerberg told analysts on the earnings call in 2025 we rebuilt the foundations of our AI program. That should be obvious. There's so many acquisitions, so many hires, so many experiments, so many different strategies and discussions and changing of the guard and restructurings, layoffs and reality labs. It's the compute desk. There's been so many stories about Meta really rethinking their AI platform, rearchitecting the foundations of it.
So he continued to say over the coming months we're going to start shipping our new models and products. Very excited for that. He says I expect our first models will be good, but more importantly they will show the rapid trajectory we're on. And I think that we all have high expectations. I don't think anyone's expecting them to jump way way out in front of everyone else. But if they can just be in the conversation with DeepMind, Anthropic, OpenAI, I think that will quell a lot of the.
But also, what are they doing with them? Yeah. I think that matters. I think that matters more.
Really, really important. Yeah. Because you just look at this is why I'm excited to talk to Eric later today but you look at Meta's business and the way in which GenAI can accelerate everything from generating more content on the platform to having better ads to better targeting all these things right and not to mention like where they can just vend it in at the product level right.
The product level stuff is tricky. I mean like I've bumped into Meta AI in Instagram many times.
And you do get reasonable, you know, natural language responses, but it clearly still has the knowledge cutoff. It's not searching the web as effectively. It's not pulling together the it doesn't feel completely native to the platform.
Like if you go into Meta AI in Instagram and you ask it to go and hunt around in Instagram for a specific creator or reel based on some clues, it doesn't feel like it has the hooks to really go in and understand, okay, based on what you've watched and what I've showed you in the past, this is probably what you're thinking of. Like that is sort of a superpower.
Where you know there's so many times when you're on the timeline and you're like I saw this post I didn't bookmark it didn't like it what was it and you want the search products to be empowered magically. What are we laughing at? What do you think?
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Anyway, I think that there's the basic case of they got to get an LLM that's frontier that has the big model smell, fun to talk to, good vibes, then they need video and audio models that are rock solid and then they do need to vend those in.
I think just having an API or just having a place where people can generate, you know, photoreal videos or even things like Sora where it has the aesthetics and pacing and cuts of an Instagram reel. That doesn't feel like it's enough. It feels like to really empower like the Instagram creator, it needs to be built into the platform like the, you know, like the captions are or those like, you know, the face filters on Snapchat that started there, like augmented reality stuff, replacing backgrounds.
Just letting people still bring what's personal to them, their family, their experiences, their car, but take a couple photos of their car and turn it into a really really awesome drone shot of them driving their car.
I've seen a lot of really sweet edits where people will fly a drone over a car. Then they'll have a first-person GoPro on their chest while they're driving their car. And then they'll use AI to interpolate between the drone shot and their first person view because they can't actually like if you have a multi-million dollar Hollywood budget, you actually can fly the drone into the car, have someone sitting in the car, they grab the drone, and then they hook it on a crane, and the crane takes it out and does a different shot with it.
But that's like a multi-million dollar experts, tons of equipment. There's all these crazy things where someone will be on a steady cam, on a cherry picker, this crane comes down, then they start walking into you can do these really elaborate shots. But with AI, you can interpolate and like make those transitions. And so even just like AI powered transitions would be a really really cool thing to bring.
Yeah. Not to mention they own Manis now, which is a fantastic product team. They've built some great agents. You can imagine them integrating like basically like prompt to short form video, right? Where you can just describe the video that you want to make, insert real, like basically like generate B-roll for this, pull footage from around the internet, whatever.
And so there's so many things that they can do. And again, they've just been using Meta AI as a sandbox for the most part. But I'm just excited for them to start shipping across. The remixing thing is so underrated because there's a lot of people like the number of people that have like true inspiration for new formats is pretty low. People always do the stitch.
Think about the remix functionality. You see a funny video and you can just like basically do a character swap in there, right? And it's like that's new content that's going to be shared and a bunch of people engage with.
So Tyler, what's your take on Meta's new plans for 2026?
Yeah, I mean I definitely think the image and video models are much more important to get right than the LLM. Mainly just because like it seems like very natural them to vend it into everything compared to OpenAI or Google who are like right now fighting it out in image or in video.
Yeah. So it seems like if they can kind of do really well, you can get OpenAI and Google out of that race basically.
Yeah. Yeah. And then the LLM it's like it's unclear what the actual like use case will be in the short term. Eventually you want some cool like, you know, Claudebot style agent somehow vented in but it's unclear how that's going to work out. So I think in the short term I'm very excited on the media model.
Yeah, I mean I really like that model of like the LLM going around and just like seeping into the cracks of all the different product experiences but in these like really subtle ways like YouTube now has AI generated summaries on videos and you can chat with a video.
So, if you're watching someone build a PC, you can ask Gemini on YouTube, hey, just print out the exact list of parts that the person used to build the PC. And there might be a parts list at the end of the video. There might be a parts list that's, you know, randomly mentioned throughout. Sometimes a creator might actually link to a real parts list, but Gemini allows you to scrape the transcript and then just get that however you want and then transform it or, you know, add prices to all of it or see if it's available in Japan because I'm in Japan.
All these interesting things. And I can imagine on Instagram being able to go to a post that has like thousands of comments and just say, hey, I want the LLM to kind of summarize the sentiment like what are the facts? Like, you know, people were debating whether or not this is AI. Is there a consensus? Or people were adding context. What was the key context that people were adding?
There's a lot of posts that are basically like rage bait or clickbait where it's unclear what's going on in the video. And so you go to the comments and people are like I don't get it or like they put up that sign like context needed please. Right. And so you can kind of do that.
Yeah. But I feel like that stuff can just like I'd rather just have that be in the like recommendation algorithm like sorted comments. If everyone in the comments is saying this is clickbait, just don't put it in my recommendation algorithm. Right.
It's like also on X there's Grok, right? On every post you can ask Grok. I don't think I've ever used that.
You've never used that? I use that. I find the little like, you know, where you add a little bit of AI here and there. I basically never use anything.
Maybe that's just, you know, I'm a fan. I do see posts where there's, you know, a list of companies that someone's talking about. Oh, here are all the cool companies that I like. And I can click and just get a little summary of each company and I don't need to pull it out, go to a different model. I don't know. I feel like once a day Grok will share context on something that is actually valuable.
Yeah, totally. Totally. Like in general in the comments add it. Somebody added it.
Like I remember Eric Seufert yesterday was responding to something. Somebody was basically saying like shareholders voted against the Tesla XAI investment and then obviously they went ahead with it and Eric responded and he was like, hey, was this real? And then Grok just shared kind of the history on it and it's like somebody else could have shared that and provided the context but I can do it instantly.
It's helpful to have a little bit extra context there.
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Suspended Cap says I got to really respect Zuck. Willing to spend over 50% of revenue next year when they still haven't delivered a single compelling AI product. Hell yeah.
Yeah. I mean the capex is crazy. No, the whole thing $200 billion in revenue in 2025. That's founders. So much revenue. It's a lot of ads.
But they're now they're going to plow 135 billion according to the Wall Street Journal. The New York Times said 115. But either way, it's like more than half the revenues.
I think posts like this are funny and I think you can definitely agree that Meta has not shipped a super compelling, you know, AI product yet. Even though Metavibes has traction, not necessarily in our world, but certainly has some traction.
But you have to like this is the guy that owns the world's largest trough or one of the world's largest troughs, right? And so he knows that it's working. He knows he can see the future, right? He has all the data. He knows that people say they don't like AI content, but in reality, they actually do. They engage with it. They watch it. They make it.
The engagement must be growing exponentially even though it's very small. It started at a base of zero and then you got Harry Potter Balenciaga and now you have 10 videos a week that are going.
So I look at this different than some of the metaverse bets just because Zuck is one of the biggest beneficiaries of GenAI and so it's totally warranted to say like hey we should invest an obscene amount of money in this. This is clearly the future.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean there's so many different ways that no matter how you play out the AI future Meta is a beneficiary of that. So it makes sense that they're investing so heavily. But it is a remarkable shift in the financial structure of the business.
If you go back to thinking of previous years spending more than half of revenue on capex feels like a lot for a software company right it's like high margin whatnot.
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Let's talk about Tesla. Tesla reported revenue at 24.9 billion. And this beat the consensus estimate just slightly. Consensus was 24.78 billion, but down 11.4% from the previous quarter when revenue was 28.1 and 3% decline year-over-year.
And Tesla's down 2% this morning. There was also a 61% drop in profit. And they're shuttering the high-end models of production. So they're stopping producing Model S's and Model X's. Which I think the Model S and Model X features will be sort of rolled into trim levels.
Like we've already heard about the So I was debating Jordy about this earlier. I thought that the Model Y and the Model X were the same length. The Model X is in fact almost a foot longer, so it is a bigger vehicle. They both have the option to have three rows. They both have very similar specs, but the Model X is bigger.
But in China, we've heard that they're working on the Model Y L, which is a long wheelbase version that will be, I believe, longer than the Model X. So, you have the ability to get a big Model Y. And then they're already doing different trim levels with long range plaid.
So, if you take the plaid badge and you put that on the Model Y L and then you add different specs and you say, oh, I want to spec my Model Y with Goldwing doors. Maybe all of a sudden you're back in Model X territory and you're dropping 100K.
But there's just no denying that the Model S and X sales have slowed and there's a whole bunch more competition at the high-end EV market from Lucid, Rivian, and so Elon is fully thinking about what's next.
He broke out subscriptions for autopilot self-driving for the first time. He's talking a huge amount about cyber cabs and robo taxis. He's making that cash investment in XAI. And of course, he's really focused on Optimus humanoid robots. And it seems like he could be scaling up production there very very quickly.
Million million subs of full self-driving. Yeah, not bad. And it's what 89? I actually don't know. I think you can look it up. I think I remember it's $89 a month. Yeah. But analysts, how much is it?
I guess $49 a month for vehicles with enhanced autopilot. Okay. There are a few tiers, but I mean if you build up the subscription, what is it? How much is it? I think it's a hundred. Hundred a month. Yeah. Yeah.
So, you know, you got a billion dollars a year coming in from that. Not bad. And of course, very high margin because you don't need to manufacture it.
Analysts thought Tesla was going to be cash flow negative for the quarter, but they actually were positive. They generated $1.4 billion in free cash flow, and this was down just 30%. So there's plenty of cash to keep the aggressive investments going, especially as Elon shifts the business towards autonomy.
He's not shy about making the change aggressively. He said, we would expect over time to make far more cyber cabs than all of our other vehicles combined. So he's fully fully going all in on.
Yeah, it's a little I think it's a little jarring for some people just because historically car companies have thrived by creating the perfect car in each category for every different consumer and Elon is basically saying actually I know what you want and I'm going to give you it.
Yeah, it's you know, you don't need that many options. Yeah. Where you're going to be able, like you said, to just leverage the different trim levels and spec out the car to satisfy.
And probably, you know, I do think over time like less and less trim levels and then eventually it's just cyber cabs and no one's buying cars anymore. If it really goes that way, I think this rollout will be slow.
I mean, the original rollout of the electric car was 20 years, right? For Tesla to actually get to saturation where you're seeing electric cars all over the roads. It'll probably be the same with people giving up their cars and going all in on I only drive I only use Waymo and Tesla Cyber Cab or maybe I just use one.
But Elon's certainly thinking in decades and not afraid to cut an entire business line that is still popular with a lot of people. I mean, I was just talking to somebody yesterday who was singing the praises of his Tesla Model X and how much he loves that and how he would never get a Y because the X is so much more premium. Everything about it is better. It costs a lot of money when he bought it. Still loves it. But, you know, Elon's thinking to the future.
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I know you do. Tesla also announced a $2 billion investment into XAI. Yeah. Didn't they they just did 20. Is this part of the 20? I wonder. I don't know.
But yeah, so there was a non-binding Tesla shareholder vote on authorizing an investment in XAI that failed. Although 1.06 billion votes were in favor versus 916 million against. Absent abstentions like abstentions like abstaining counted as no under Tesla bylaws leading to rejection.
So they had run this as a vote. It got rejected but Elon said we're doing it anyways. Doing it live.
Timeline reactions here. I don't know where you want to start but Take Kim has a good one if you want to start there with Microsoft. Wherever you want.
I wanted to pull up this video of Optimus learning it has to make up for SX sales after they were cancelled.
This one's This is such a crazy video. Taking off the VR headset and just smashing down. I love that.
This is really a Tesla Optimus, isn't it? At the same time, like the motion is remarkable. And the force with which the Optimus just smashes a water bottle open is crazy.
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Okay guys, this was one of the standout moments of the earnings call for me. Elon and Tesla are transitioning their Fremont facility to make Optimus and they plan to scale that facility up to be able to make a million of these things a year on a relatively near-term time horizon. So very very significant.
He talked about how the robot would be able to basically learn on the job. It's going to be able to do a number of valuable tasks. And yeah, I think I mean the big question for me is like what happens?
That's the big question for me. Well, they have an ad support. You have the Tesla walking around your house and it sees you pull out some sort of random credit card and it's like are you not on ramp? Like what's going on here?
Or it sees you like having like would you like a smoothie from Athletic Greens? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
But yeah, we'll see. So the question I have is at what point will humanoids actually be like ROI positive for consumers in the home or even just everyday businesses.
And I would just judge that based on like okay you're buying this thing up front. Maybe a business finances it maybe somebody finances it or they just pay cash. But is it valuable? Is it valuable enough to actually replace a human because you're competing with the Optimus is going to be competing with jobs that are maybe like 40 50 60k a year like somewhere in that range.
Yeah. And so that's a pretty high bar to clear. Totally. So we'll see.
Yeah. And the risk-reward calculation of okay, you have this thing, it has cameras and audio. It's on all the time. Is it safe? If it falls over, is it gonna crush my dog or hurt someone or smash something?
Even just like doing the dishes. We've seen some incredible demos of humanoid robots doing the dishes. But you have to imagine that every once in a while it's going to break a dish. If it's breaking dishes at 10 times the rate of humans, like it needs to be superhuman at not breaking dishes because if it smashes a wine glass while it's doing the dishes, that's And can I clean that up? Is it going to be able to do that on day one?
There will be, you know, a slow ramp of people feeling like okay it's good enough I'm getting a lot of value. Obviously there'll be a lot of novelty. There's already a lot of novelty like the Optimus is deployed in most of the Tesla showrooms.
Some breaking news from Reuters 21 minutes ago. Exclusive Musk's XAI and merger talks with XAI ahead of planned IPO. SpaceX and XAI. SpaceX and XAI ahead of planned IPO.
So this was something that we obviously were talking predicting a so no huge surprise here. This always felt like it made sense. I'll read through the article. I don't know how much context it actually has.
So they're in discussions ahead of a blockbuster IPO planned for later this year. The combination would bring Musk's rockets, Starlink satellites, and X social media platform and the Grok AI chatbot under one roof. Imagine, imagine owning X, the internet's dive bar and space in one ticker.
I mean, the companies launched like a couple years apart. I think like 2007 and 2005 or something like flashing back to 2007, 2010 being like, yeah, Twitter and that space company that hasn't successfully launched anything, they're going to be part of the same company one day. That is a wild future.
Yeah, I am curious to see if they end up at some point just spinning X the social platform out again. Like does it really need to live?
I think Musk holding companies just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and it all goes together into one because there's a lot of efficiencies there.
Shaan Puri from My First Million had a post about this how he thinks Elon should IPO his personal holding company. So you get stakes in everything that he has stakes in. And he was proposing it like a Berkshire type structure. But instead of Berkshire Hathaway, it would be like Musk Holdings or something or Musk's initials. I think a lot of people would be buyers of that.
But it'll be interesting to see the S-1's getting more complicated by the day as the investment banks prepare for the June IPO for SpaceX. Now, is June the day? But it's late in June. It's June 29th or 19th or something.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll see. I mean expected this to happen. I think it builds a, you know, again some people be frustrated with the narrative the data centers in space narrative but it's real.
We saw this sort of organized narrative shift around SpaceX being the data centers in space play. So that was the bridge like without that it didn't make any sense and then once if you can get behind okay data centers in space is maybe possible maybe you want some on land too then it starts to make sense that the merger fits a little bit more.
The other interesting data centers in space thing XAI SpaceX thing. I just I don't know I there is a fair odd history of telecom companies owning media companies. So Comcast, NBC, Universal, right? Comcast was the of that history.
Verizon. Yeah. Rhyming. And so like there is this world where you have the pipes and then you need something to push through the pipes and so you own a media company that pushes content through that pipe and it sort of rhymes, right?
It's like you have Starlink internet connections and then you need something to go over those internet connections. So X the social network pipes over those. It's if you squint it's not the craziest thing.
The other interesting thing that I want to do or we should talk to some of the folks who have done some of this data
Center and space analysis is how powerful are the Starlink satellites right now? Like they have some onboard compute. They don't have, you know, NVIDIA GPUs. They don't have whole racks in space, but they probably have some compute just to run the network. And I'm wondering, like in terms of energy draw, are they one order of magnitude off, two orders of magnitude off? Like how underpowered are the current Starlink satellites? Because that could be an indicator of, okay, well, they need to scale them up by this much. They need to add this capability. They need to do X, Y, or Z.
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Jordi Hays 45:38 ↗
Yes. John, you sent me a picture the other day of Audi out, I think, testing. You were like, "It's insane that they don't have an ElevenLabs logo on there."
John Coogan 45:48 ↗
Exactly. Now, the sponsors were looking pretty sparse, but I think they're just adding them kind of in real time. So it's fun to roll them out. Super, super exciting. I love the new Audi livery. It looks very unique.
MKBHD responded to the news that Tesla is discontinuing the Model S and Model X and said, "Oh, Roadster is so cooked."
Jordi Hays 46:11 ↗
Elon just responded a little bit ago, said new Roadster will be incredible.
John Coogan 46:16 ↗
And MKBHD is in the process of getting community noted. Elon said on the earnings call they are aiming to unveil in April and production will commence in 12 to 18 months.
Jordi Hays 46:26 ↗
April. The shareholder deck notes the Roadster is in design development. Lars, VP of vehicle engineering, said the Roadster was definitely in development.
John Coogan 46:34 ↗
So it will be pretty funny to be in something that hopefully will look and feel like a hypercar, but then you're just self-driving in traffic. It's like effectively, depending on pricing, it's not going to be like price. I'm hoping it looks like a hypercar, but prices like, you know, a Turbo S or something like that.
Jordi Hays 46:56 ↗
Yeah. I think the secret to success is probably $200 to $300,000, but it looks like a cyber car or Cybertruck Huracan, like low to the ground, super insane performance. Self-driving, but it has like entirely new aesthetics that turn heads. Like the Cybertruck is kind of...
John Coogan 47:20 ↗
What was he saying on Joe Rogan? Wasn't he alluding to the Roadster potentially being able to take flight in some sort of way?
Jordi Hays 47:27 ↗
That's exactly it. Yes. And we were debating with Doug DeMuro from Cars and Bids and his own YouTube channel. What does the definition of fly mean? Like we've seen the Xiaomi car jump. It can jump over a pothole. It can jump a couple inches off. There's that Mercedes-Maybach GLS that can bounce. So what does fly really mean? Fly a foot? Fly 10 feet? I don't think anyone's expecting that in the next year it will just actually take off and fly you from LA to San Francisco or something. That would be...
John Coogan 48:02 ↗
Never bet against. I mean, I would want that so badly. But there are a lot of other cool things that we could do. I think the one that I predicted, basically, you'll be able to pull up to a parking spot and it will be able to use like fans or something like that to lift off the ground and slide into a parking spot. It'll have some like gimmicky...
Jordi Hays 48:26 ↗
It'll shoot the battery out so hard that it sends the car... shoots the battery down which pushes the car up into the air, and then there's an ejector seat. You will be flying, the car will not be flying. Who knows?
John Coogan 48:40 ↗
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Rounding out. Start really quickly, Tyler.
Jordi Hays 48:53 ↗
I mean, this is about the question of like, can you run GPUs on Starlink?
John Coogan 48:57 ↗
Yes.
Jordi Hays 48:57 ↗
So, like a current satellite, if you're looking at the V2 mini satellite, the peak power draw is like around 3,000 watts.
John Coogan 49:05 ↗
Okay.
Jordi Hays 49:05 ↗
So if you're running an H100, right? This is maybe a couple years old. It's only like 700. So you could put a few H100s on a Starlink right now.
John Coogan 49:14 ↗
Wait, wait, wait. Sorry, sorry. 3,000 watts currently. And an H100 is 700. Oh, okay. Yeah, you could put a couple in theory, but you wouldn't be able to do anything else.
Jordi Hays 49:23 ↗
Yeah. And I mean like three H100s is not useful really at all for serving any big model. But yeah, but we're not four orders of magnitude off from doing something. I mean, you can do inference on just a laptop, right? And that doesn't have the power draw anywhere near an H100. Granted, it's going to be slow. It's not going to be functional, but like we are in the ballpark.
John Coogan 49:45 ↗
Somebody just going to put... somebody should put a Mac Mini on a weather balloon.
Jordi Hays 49:50 ↗
The first... send it. You really could. Have you ever seen those trends of like we sent X to space? It's like a proven viral format on YouTube. I think someone sent pizza to space. People send like a piano to space and it plays a song. Basically, YouTubers figured out that you could get a weather balloon that you could just buy for like, I don't know, not that much money and just release it and it would just fly up, up, up, up, up, and then you would reach the sky and it would take pictures and time-lapse photos or video automatically.
John Coogan 50:23 ↗
You can get a 22-foot scientific weather balloon on eBay for 220 bucks.
Jordi Hays 50:28 ↗
What should we send to space? It's kind of played out, but yeah, garlic bread to space. Bobby, thank you. Yeah, the garlic bread went to space. I don't know why. But yeah, sending Molbot to space. Molbot to space on a... I also don't know if you can get Starlink working.
John Coogan 50:49 ↗
I think, I mean, ideally, Tyler, what if we got a handful of weather balloons and we sent you up there with...
Jordi Hays 50:56 ↗
Then I could... like that Red Bull video. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
John Coogan 50:59 ↗
Just one-shot it.
Jordi Hays 51:01 ↗
Just do it. Yeah.
John Coogan 51:02 ↗
Just one-shot it. Last thing on Elon. Looking at prediction market on Kalshi, when will Elon become a trillionaire?
Jordi Hays 51:10 ↗
He's at a 65% chance before 2027, just in time for the midterms. It's not like that will be used against him at all.
John Coogan 51:22 ↗
There's still a chance that it takes the pressure off the billionaires because like, oh, there's a new thing we got to focus on. Like no one's focusing on billionaires right now.
Jordi Hays 51:28 ↗
All the billionaires start ganging up on Elon. Hey, let's actually just do a trillionaire tax. This whole bill, why are we focusing on billionaires? Trillionaires have so much more.
John Coogan 51:36 ↗
Waste of time.
Jordi Hays 51:36 ↗
Waste of time. Let's just narrow it down to trillionaires. Just the trillionaire tax.
John Coogan 51:40 ↗
Anyway, Consoles. Consoles builds AI agents that automate 70% of IT, HR, and finance support, giving employees instant resolution for access requests and password resets. Where else do we want to go? Do we want to go more reactions to earnings? There's a whole bunch of other stuff in here.
Jordi Hays 51:58 ↗
Yeah.
John Coogan 51:58 ↗
Microsoft is on sale according to Jay Gatsby because Joe Weisenthal said, "Incredible day." According to Barclays' Alexander Alman, Microsoft has lost $441 billion of market cap today, marking it the second largest drop ever since Nvidia lost nearly $600 billion after DeepSeek. Wow. Yeah, it was the worst day for Microsoft since 2020, since like the COVID selloff. Absolutely remarkable. I mean, I don't fully get it. It seems like Microsoft is very well positioned. I mean, maybe they're facing the same implementation question as Meta, but it seems like they have all the key ingredients. I mean, they certainly don't have like the crazy team that Zuck just went and poached, but they got OpenAI, they have the partnership, and so they have access to the models in a way that Meta does not. And so Meta does need to build the team to build the competitive models. So anyway,
Jordi Hays 52:53 ↗
worst sell-offs in Microsoft history, the crash of '87. Then in 2000, April 24th. 30% in one day in '87.
John Coogan 53:04 ↗
We don't know how to create selloffs like that anymore. Hopefully we don't.
Jordi Hays 53:10 ↗
Famous last words.
John Coogan 53:11 ↗
Just like everything candles down 40% to teach you a lesson.
Jordi Hays 53:15 ↗
Yep.
John Coogan 53:15 ↗
Yeah. There's some interesting history here.
Jordi Hays 53:18 ↗
Well, Microsoft is unfazed.
John Coogan 53:21 ↗
Yeah. When you look at it this way, it is truly, you know, the what, 15th worst sell-off in Microsoft history. I think they're going to get through it. But Stan disagrees. Stan says it's over. Thanks for playing. Just zero likes. How did this even get... I'm gonna like this.
Jordi Hays 53:41 ↗
We're gonna like it.
John Coogan 53:42 ↗
Good. Stan, I don't agree, but very funny post. Andrew Curran is sharing a post from The Information. Nvidia, Microsoft, and Amazon are all ponying up. Let's give it up for talks, $60 billion, as much as $60 billion in OpenAI. We don't know what kind of talks they are. Are they early, medium, late stage talks, advanced talks, preliminary talks? There's lots of different talks. But this is on top of the $30 billion that SoftBank is in talks for, which means that the $100 billion target for the next round is already almost met. And of course this is going to go back to is this circular, blah blah blah blah blah. I don't know. It feels like the circularity narrative, we're just at a scale where if you want to raise $100 billion, like who are you going to? Who would be okay? Like it's governments and the hyperscalers. There just aren't that many funds that are saying like, yeah, I'd love to lead a $100 billion round, I don't have the money. Like it's just impossible. There's no... tapped out. Like yeah, all the traditional financial players are very much tapped out. And so let's go to companymarketcap.com.
Jordi Hays 55:01 ↗
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John Coogan 55:11 ↗
Okay. So at the $830 billion that this round is being discussed at, JP Morgan is worth slightly more at $832 billion. But then below that, OpenAI will be valued more than Samsung, Tencent, Visa, ExxonMobil, ASML, Johnson & Johnson, Mastercard, Costco.
Jordi Hays 55:36 ↗
Data is the... Yeah. A lot of them. Yeah. Yeah, you start being able to add up some of the biggest companies in the world and still not be worth more than...
John Coogan 55:46 ↗
Zero Hedge had some extra context. Q3 2025 Meta crashes on surging capex forecast. Q4 2025 Meta soars on surging capex forecast.
Jordi Hays 55:56 ↗
Let's go.
John Coogan 55:57 ↗
Research and Invest pushed back though, said no, it soars on growth acceleration, guide capex held it back or it could have opened at around $880. And it's because of the profit, a lot of people are chiming in. So we'll talk to Buo. Buo has continuously had great calls on Meta. I remember very distinctly when he shared multiple times over a few day period like Meta will start touching 600 and you need to develop the mental fortitude to buy even though everything in your mind will be telling you not to do it, just hit the button.
Jordi Hays 56:34 ↗
Suspected Cap says, "I gotta really respect Zuck willing to spend over 50% of revenue next year on capex when they still haven't delivered a single compelling AI product." Hell yeah.
John Coogan 56:45 ↗
But Pythia Cap chimes in and says the ads are the compelling AI product. And this has been the under-discussed narrative with their capex. They do break it out and for a long time, you know, 50% of capex, more than 50% of capex was going towards core AI workloads for Instagram Reels recommendations, ad recommendations, running the core product. I mean, there is a specific chip for YouTube. There's capex that goes into just running YouTube, just running Instagram. And so it's not all AI, but it'll be interesting to see how that shifts, how much of this is, okay, this is generative AI workloads going forward. Is it more than 50% of this new boost in cash?
Jordi Hays 57:27 ↗
Brother Joe Weisenthal shares one of the best headlines that I've ever seen, which is Blackstone near deal to become new world's largest shareholder.
John Coogan 57:38 ↗
Just in general?
Jordi Hays 57:39 ↗
No, New World is a company.
John Coogan 57:42 ↗
Okay.
Jordi Hays 57:42 ↗
Blackstone is in advanced talks to become the single largest shareholder of New World Development Company, according to people familiar with the matter, a move that would see one of Hong Kong's richest families relinquish control of a major asset. Under the proposed deal, the US company would be able to restructure the embattled developer. New World could continue to try to offload assets to shore up liquidity.
John Coogan 58:03 ↗
The family of Hong Kong tycoon Henry Cheng currently holds about a 45% stake in New World. We need to bring the word tycoon to the West Coast.
Jordi Hays 58:15 ↗
Tycoon.
John Coogan 58:15 ↗
Sam Altman is an AI tycoon.
Jordi Hays 58:17 ↗
Tycoon is good. We should do a list of the top tycoons.
John Coogan 58:21 ↗
Jensen is a chip tycoon.
Jordi Hays 58:24 ↗
Yeah, tycoon's a good one.
John Coogan 58:26 ↗
Satya is an enterprise tycoon.
Jordi Hays 58:28 ↗
We had tycoons during the railroad barons. It turned into a bit of a pejorative, but I think we can turn it around. I think we can turn it around.
John Coogan 58:35 ↗
It's such a fun word. Why should it be negative?
Jordi Hays 58:38 ↗
Yeah, it sounds like yahoo or like, you know, it feels like you're wearing a cowboy hat on a horse if you're a tycoon. You know, you're running all over the economy. You're a tycoon.
John Coogan 58:49 ↗
Cowboy hat on a horse.
Jordi Hays 58:50 ↗
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John Coogan 59:02 ↗
We have to talk about Genie.
Jordi Hays 59:03 ↗
Genie.
John Coogan 59:04 ↗
The Genie is out of the lab.
Jordi Hays 59:05 ↗
Logan says, "Introducing Project Genie, a Frontier World model product powered by Genie 3 and available to Gemini Ultra users in the US starting today."
John Coogan 59:15 ↗
We were playing around with this this morning. We were playing around with this this morning. It is absolutely wild. You can basically prompt an entire world. It instantly turns into effectively a simple video game.
Jordi Hays 59:28 ↗
And you can create some really funny scenarios we will show you.
John Coogan 59:35 ↗
And they added the jump button. They added the jump button. You get to pick if it's third person or I guess what if you don't check that it's first person. But sometimes even if you don't check that, you can still wind up in a third person game if it's obviously a third person request.
Jordi Hays 59:49 ↗
They need to add this... the... Look at this dog.
John Coogan 59:51 ↗
They need to add the crouch button.
Jordi Hays 59:52 ↗
The crouch button next and then the flashbang button probably.
John Coogan 59:56 ↗
Whoa.
Jordi Hays 59:56 ↗
Yeah, you're jumping. This is so fast. I mean, the previous Genie launch was still called Genie 3, right?
John Coogan 1:00:05 ↗
Well, no. I mean, yes. This is not like a new product. This is just making it public. Yes. So I think it was in August when G3 was originally released. Yeah, but it was basically just the paper. There were some demos, but no one could actually...
Jordi Hays 1:00:16 ↗
So cool. Yeah, I mean, it feels like more directable than Veo 3 in some ways. And it's certainly more stable as you move.
John Coogan 1:00:27 ↗
Well, it's just way cooler too, because it's a world you can move around in. It's not like Veo 3 where you're just creating a video. Yeah, the memory is really good too. You can upload an image and turn back. Upload an image. That's, I mean, get ready to play dinosaur.
Jordi Hays 1:00:41 ↗
You have the clip of...
John Coogan 1:00:43 ↗
So we got access, we generated some now. It's in such high demand that you might not be able to generate these worlds for yourself immediately. There might be some rate limits going on. I'm sure the GPUs are on fire. It is going to be Genie 3 day on the timeline for sure. People are going to get crazy creative with this first.
Jordi Hays 1:01:06 ↗
You can't access the videos? No, because...
John Coogan 1:01:08 ↗
Oh, no. We didn't download them because I think the site is being overloaded so much.
Jordi Hays 1:01:12 ↗
Shame. It was just earlier today.
John Coogan 1:01:14 ↗
Hey, Tyler, take some responsibility. Take some ownership. You're 21 years old now. Take some ownership. You could have downloaded the video.
Jordi Hays 1:01:22 ↗
I'll try to as the show goes on. I'll try to make a new one. Yeah, we can...
John Coogan 1:01:26 ↗
I mean, yeah. Yeah. This is a good point by Noah in the chat. Wait, can we just take a GTA 6 leak and generate the game so we don't have to keep waiting? So pretty much like first, I mean, it's incredible that even a product at Google scale, they knew that there was going to be demand, that they are like seeing rate limits. That's wild and incredibly bullish for AI and shows that there's so much more demand and we need more chips and energy and data centers and GPUs obviously. But on the flip side, we are going to move the goalposts. This is AGI, but it's not sufficient AGI because my definition is not just the jump button. I want mechanics. I want... we generated a video of my Boach driving on the Nürburgring. It was remarkably high fidelity. It was a little sluggish, but that might just be the dynamics. The driver, that's just...
Jordi Hays 1:02:14 ↗
Oh, you think the driver... this thing on the road there was body roll. I was like, just put it in a straight line, Tyler.
John Coogan 1:02:22 ↗
Yes. But I want... I'm waiting. I'm moving the goalpost because I want Genie 3 or Genie 4 to be able to generate game mechanics. If I say I'm racing on the Nürburgring, I want a track timer. I want to be able to stop, change my tires. I want to be able to get a refuel, overtakes. I want overlays. I want boost pedals. I want DRS. I want shifting. I want the whole Forza simulation. I want... what's the one that people actually use for the simulators? I forget what it's called. Assetto Corsa. I want to be able to generate Assetto Corsa in two seconds. So mechanics are clearly next. This is obviously, we can pull this up.
Jordi Hays 1:03:03 ↗
Tyler said six months. We'll see. Pull up this video from you. In six months, you'll have full games.
John Coogan 1:03:09 ↗
This is the new AI benchmark for...
Jordi Hays 1:03:12 ↗
Move it. Move it.
John Coogan 1:03:19 ↗
We're moving the goalpost. There we go. Pull up this video from Ethan Millik. He had early access to G3 world modeling. Huge leap forward in modeling physics, but some issues remain. Here is a bit of an otter airline pilot with a duck on its head walking through a Rothko-inspired airport and an otter in a wingsuit flying through a city of Gothic towers. So, this video is why we have two and a half trillion dollars of capex for AI. We just simply...
Jordi Hays 1:03:51 ↗
before AI, we would need, you know, a team of advanced motion graphics artists to work for, you know...
John Coogan 1:03:58 ↗
You could probably vibe code something like this in Unreal Engine in a day if you were strong.
Jordi Hays 1:04:04 ↗
John, what? Don't try to pop the bubble.
John Coogan 1:04:07 ↗
You could. I like the wingsuit though. This is fun. In a Gothic tower. It looks sort of like a Harry Potter world. Wow. It's really a full city of Gothic towers.
Jordi Hays 1:04:18 ↗
Yeah. And so...
John Coogan 1:04:19 ↗
I like the... the thing that's wild is that it takes...
Jordi Hays 1:04:24 ↗
20 seconds.
John Coogan 1:04:25 ↗
Yeah.
Jordi Hays 1:04:26 ↗
To go from idea to this world.
John Coogan 1:04:28 ↗
Yeah. Super cool.
Jordi Hays 1:04:30 ↗
So super, super cool. And you're just going to see this like unlimited... like the people are going to go and just generate Mario and you'll just be like, "Well, I could just download Mario." Like it's not like... I'm okay with that. It's like when you go to, you know, Midjourney and you say, "Make me a picture of a dog." Or Nano Banana. And it's just like, that's just a picture of a dog. You just find a picture of a dog. What's cool is when it's like your dog in your house doing the specific mechanic that you wanted and it's a reenactment from a film that you're in love with and you're a mechanic and you're creating this unique thing and you're mixing together these interesting ideas. We're gonna see a ton.
John Coogan 1:05:07 ↗
Okay. So Tyler took full ownership. Okay. While we pull that up, let me tell you about Plaid. Plaid powers the apps you use to spend, save, borrow, and invest. Securely connecting bank accounts to move money, fight fraud, and improve lending now with AI.
Jordi Hays 1:05:23 ↗
All right, look at this.
John Coogan 1:05:24 ↗
Oh, yeah. This is... Wait, is this a new one? This is a new one. I just made this.
Jordi Hays 1:05:27 ↗
The original was not two-tone.
John Coogan 1:05:29 ↗
Yeah, this is a new... I just made this. Look at you barely keeping it on the road.
Jordi Hays 1:05:33 ↗
It's really hard to... skill issue. You got to...
John Coogan 1:05:36 ↗
So, if you zoom in on this, the license plate does look a little AI generated. There are some artifacts, but that was a decent... at this distance. This looks...
Jordi Hays 1:05:45 ↗
Can he hit the apex?
John Coogan 1:05:46 ↗
This looks photo real. This looks photo real. It's...
Jordi Hays 1:05:48 ↗
Can he hit the apex? Can he hit the apex? Oh, the body roll.
John Coogan 1:05:54 ↗
The body roll. You're actually going pretty fast. You're getting some speed on this thing.
Jordi Hays 1:05:57 ↗
I think I fall off. I get off the...
John Coogan 1:05:59 ↗
OH NO, THE GRASS. OH NO. WAIT, WHAT HAPPENED TO the... You're... Oh no, you're destroying the side rail. How'd you get on the other side of the side rail?
Jordi Hays 1:06:07 ↗
It says... Yeah. Okay.
John Coogan 1:06:10 ↗
Crazy timing. Tyler turns 21 and he can't even keep a car.
Jordi Hays 1:06:13 ↗
Wow.
John Coogan 1:06:15 ↗
That was...
Jordi Hays 1:06:16 ↗
I don't see any happy dads over there.
John Coogan 1:06:18 ↗
Dude looks in Hebrew.
Jordi Hays 1:06:19 ↗
No, but it does... like when it was working. So earlier I think there were just too many people using it, but this took like maybe 15 seconds.
John Coogan 1:06:25 ↗
That's remarkable.
Jordi Hays 1:06:26 ↗
At first it like makes an image and then you can edit it and then from there you can make the actual world play.
John Coogan 1:06:31 ↗
Yeah.
Jordi Hays 1:06:31 ↗
And it's like a minute long. It's like... Yeah. Incredible.
John Coogan 1:06:35 ↗
Josh Woodward has another clip he shared. Nano Banana Pro. He's the VP at Google, Google Labs, Gemini AI Studio. Nano Banana Plus, Project Genie, low poly cowboy dreams, they've been fulfilled. Let's take a look at what Josh Woodward over at Google built with Genie 3. So he takes the image he's generated with Nano Banana Pro, drops it in, summarizes the environment, summarizes... and it's interesting seeing like what does prompt engineering look like in this... like what type of prompt do you want to put in because I think we just put in like two words, we put in like Nürburgring, track, Germany. What happens if you add a little bit more there? How far can you push this current state-of-the-art? The horse can...
Jordi Hays 1:07:23 ↗
AGI achieved.
John Coogan 1:07:24 ↗
AGI achieved. Do you think this is bullish for platforms like Roblox and Fortnite that have the existing network and they can integrate world models so that the players that are already a part of these ecosystems and these economies can generate new worlds quickly, generate new games, new characters, etc.? Or is it...
Jordi Hays 1:07:43 ↗
as these world models get better, do they become competitive, a bigger threat because anybody can just... I'm sure there's infrastructure providers that can say like, yeah, we're going to handle everything from account creation to in-game currency to things like that.
John Coogan 1:07:57 ↗
Yeah, I mean definitely competitive in the long term. In the medium term, like super good for prototyping and communication. And this is a key flow to, okay, you have an idea and you don't just want to, you know, generate a basic image of the game that you're trying to build, you generate a demo, a prototype, and then you go from here into, okay, let's wire it up in Unreal Engine or Roblox or Minecraft or whatever we want to do, and then you have the full game.
Jordi Hays 1:08:27 ↗
I think Roblox and Fortnite will prove that they have real network effects. Yeah.
John Coogan 1:08:32 ↗
And it's going to still make sense to create new games within these existing ecosystems.
Jordi Hays 1:08:37 ↗
Yeah. Yeah. But it is a very different architecture if you...
John Coogan 1:08:42 ↗
But yeah, I don't know. I don't know how it would interact like if you're in Roblox and then you want to go into a fully generated experience, like the persistence doesn't exist. You're not necessarily in the same world. Just building like multiplayer capabilities in here seems very difficult. That seems like a real research challenge.
Jordi Hays 1:08:58 ↗
I think broadly like the world model, like World Labs seems much more easy to integrate at least in the short term to something like Roblox because I mean this is literally just like generating frames on the fly. You're not actually making a... you know, 3D like rendering.
John Coogan 1:09:11 ↗
But it seems like it would be useful for training data as well. Lots of opportunities there. Well, speaking of training data, let me tell you about Labelbox RL environments, voice, robotics, eval, and expert human data. Labelbox is the data factory behind the world's leading AI labs.
Jordi Hays 1:09:29 ↗
Well said, John.
John Coogan 1:09:31 ↗
There are a lot of those. Google DeepMind created this short film, AI is going to disrupt Hollywood sooner than most might expect. It's their short film, Dear Upstairs Neighbor. It's previewing at Sundance Festival. It's a story about noisy neighbors, but behind the scenes, it's about solving a huge challenge in generative AI control. Developed by Pixar alumni and an Academy Award winner, researchers and engineers. Here's how it came together, says DeepMind. And there's a community note on here. Let's see what they said. The quoted video explains that the short film was driven through human-made art with AI assisting and speeding up the process. OP is engagement. Poor Chubby always getting community noted. We've seen a number of these. I think that's like at a certain point some people assume that things are happening, but you know, the point still holds that you know this is disruptive. Who knows if it's completely disrupting. There's certainly, I mean, there's demand for movies that are shot on film still. So how quickly will all this roll out? But if you have a vision these days for, you know, an animated movie, you should just go try and make it. At least you have to imagine that even if you want to use a more traditional process and go through the traditional Hollywood pipeline, showing up to a pitch meeting at an agency with a pretty much polished AI version of your film is going to resonate in a way that a script might just get sent back in the mailroom. Yeah.
Jordi Hays 1:11:03 ↗
So, I don't know. I could imagine this in like the prototyping, the storyboarding phase really, really taking off.
John Coogan 1:11:10 ↗
Staying in Google land, please. Addy Osmani over at Google Cloud shared some big changes to Gemini in Chrome, Agentic Browsing with Auto Browse, Nano Banana, and more. Let's pull up this video. If you can see it here, it's a huge day for tech news today. We had so much earnings.
Jordi Hays 1:11:31 ↗
I mean, all earnings. Yeah, all week there's been a lot of stuff.
John Coogan 1:11:36 ↗
But the other stuff was like planned. The Cloudbot stuff earlier was not. Is there audio on here? Can we play this audio as well? Let's see.
Jordi Hays 1:11:46 ↗
Chrome.
John Coogan 1:11:47 ↗
Okay, let's see. This is Gemini in Chrome. Agentic browsing with auto browse, Nano Banana and more.
Jordi Hays 1:11:57 ↗
Does it work? Let's see.
John Coogan 1:11:59 ↗
New state-of-the-art model for in-context image transformation. And traditionally, if you wanted to see how furniture would look in a room, you'd have to download a photo, upload it to an editor, and hope for the best. Here with Nano Banana, you just point Gemini to an image already on your screen. And in this demo, the prompt is show me like...
Jordi Hays 1:12:15 ↗
AI in every feature. You actually like downloading the images and round-tripping them. That's your preferred workflow. And every consumer is just like you, right, Tyler?
John Coogan 1:12:25 ↗
Right.
Jordi Hays 1:12:25 ↗
Stunned in the silence.
John Coogan 1:12:26 ↗
All right. I mean, I...
Jordi Hays 1:12:27 ↗
Hit him with the flashbang.
John Coogan 1:12:29 ↗
Oh, no.
Jordi Hays 1:12:30 ↗
Throwing flashbang.
John Coogan 1:12:31 ↗
Flashbang. Surprised. There's now big changes to Gemini in Chrome. We got flashing lights over here now.
Jordi Hays 1:12:40 ↗
Okay. But this is still like making the product from like a very AI-first view. It's not just like taking the normal thing and then just adding one extra AI button. I mean, I'm not a product manager at Meta, but you have to imagine that there's little features like this that can seep their way into Facebook and Instagram where you see a photo of a restaurant and you're like, I think that'd be great for a team offsite. Let me just not download the photo and put me, you, and Jordi at the dinner table at the restaurant, envisioning what we're like. I just hit share and then I say, hey, put the group chat that we're in on Instagram DMs in this photo. That'll be funny. It'll be more inspiring for them to be like, yeah, we should go to dinner there. Right.
John Coogan 1:13:28 ↗
I guess this feature, the feature in the video that actually got shown...
Jordi Hays 1:13:32 ↗
I wonder if that should actually live like... so in that example, you're looking at an apartment online and you're in your browser being like, make it look like Kelly Wearstler styled it.
John Coogan 1:13:43 ↗
Yeah. And it adds a bunch of furniture. Should that live at the browser level or should it just live in Zillow or Redfin or Compass?
Jordi Hays 1:13:50 ↗
Right. Yeah. It's kind of a question on where this...
John Coogan 1:13:53 ↗
The OS layer. I know what you're going to say. You're like the OS layer or your OS build now, right?
Jordi Hays 1:13:58 ↗
No, I mean in this case, I feel like it should be like actually in Redfin and you should be able to cycle through a bunch of different interior design. I have seen that every single layer of the stack is adding AI features from top to bottom.
John Coogan 1:14:14 ↗
Interesting context here from Compound 248. Google with an absolutely murderous response to OpenAI's browser. Highly strategic for Google. Launching a browser was a mistake by Sam and the OpenAI team. OpenAI was never going to gain big browser share, but launching gave Google the needed cover to launch its Chrome AI embedding without violating antitrust because now it's a competitive response.
Jordi Hays 1:14:36 ↗
Would they have had... I can't... it's hard for me to believe that Google wouldn't be allowed to add AI features.
John Coogan 1:14:44 ↗
I don't necessarily buy that, but it's an interesting take and you know, it's one position. Google's using its browser incumbency as a distribution and learning angle for AI is going to be exceedingly powerful if you allow it. The browser is going to learn from everything you do online, creating differentiation for its position as a personal AI.
Jordi Hays 1:15:03 ↗
Wow. Big day today. We're not getting any fines from the chat because we're both suited up. It's been a minute.
John Coogan 1:15:08 ↗
It's been a minute.
Jordi Hays 1:15:10 ↗
I like that.
John Coogan 1:15:11 ↗
Thanks for holding us accountable.
Jordi Hays 1:15:12 ↗
Turbo Puffer, serverless vector and full text search built from first principles and object storage. Fast, 10x cheaper, and extremely scalable.
John Coogan 1:15:21 ↗
There's so much news. TikTok uninstalls surge 150% after app's US takeover. That is a crazy surge.
Jordi Hays 1:15:30 ↗
Okay. Yeah. So, there's a new king of the app store called UpScrolled.
John Coogan 1:15:34 ↗
Yes.
Jordi Hays 1:15:34 ↗
It is a TikTok...
John Coogan 1:15:37 ↗
Instagram...
Jordi Hays 1:15:39 ↗
clone.
John Coogan 1:15:39 ↗
Clone. Okay.
Jordi Hays 1:15:40 ↗
Competitor.
John Coogan 1:15:41 ↗
Just getting off the ground. But I guess yeah, people... I think people had the perception that TikTok was immediately censoring a bunch of different topics, political topics, and then just aside, UpScrolled used that as an opportunity to say like, hey, we're the alternative.
Jordi Hays 1:16:00 ↗
Yeah, it was interesting because I know people were tracking the TikTok changing ownership. Is TikTok going to get banned? There were a lot of TikTok creators that took that as an opportunity to diversify to Reels and Shorts. And it just became obvious that you should be a multi-platform creator around that time, but I wasn't aware that the TikTok community was going to be tracking like when the servers actually shifted over to Oracle. It feels a little wonky and not something that would go super viral, but I think...
John Coogan 1:16:30 ↗
Yeah. But people noticed because video stopped being served.
Jordi Hays 1:16:32 ↗
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, there was an outage and that certainly drove deletions.
John Coogan 1:16:38 ↗
And Sean highlighted something.
Jordi Hays 1:16:40 ↗
Yeah. But again, to be clear, it's like there is a base level of TikTok uninstalls and then that surged 150%. That doesn't mean that they're declining by 50% or anything like that. Like there's still new installs.
John Coogan 1:16:55 ↗
Calling UpScrolled.
Jordi Hays 1:16:56 ↗
Yes, the Rumble of TikTok.
John Coogan 1:16:58 ↗
Really? The Rumble of TikTok.
Jordi Hays 1:16:59 ↗
Sean Frank says, "TikTok views are down. People are blaming the new owners." I think this is just proof that TikTok was botting views the whole time. Your 100,000 view video was probably reaching 25,000 real people. So, no surprise here for me. I always felt like it was always obvious that there were very real people on TikTok.
John Coogan 1:17:21 ↗
I know people that went over to TikTok. Of course, they'd start making videos about startups. They'd start getting real inbound from people on LinkedIn.
Jordi Hays 1:17:27 ↗
Yeah, totally.
John Coogan 1:17:28 ↗
So there very clearly was always a bunch of real people there, but TikTok had every incentive to just bot all the views because...
Jordi Hays 1:17:37 ↗
what happens if somebody's getting way more views on TikTok versus Instagram? They're going to lean in. They're going to say like, I have more followers on TikTok. I should be creating content there. And that created a flywheel. Yeah.
John Coogan 1:17:47 ↗
And so you can imagine as things shifted over, who knows, right? Like the new product.
Jordi Hays 1:17:55 ↗
Yeah.
John Coogan 1:17:56 ↗
They had some system that was...
Jordi Hays 1:17:58 ↗
I like different formats. I liked Vine back in the day. At one point I did set up a TikTok and I uploaded like two or three videos. I was just trying to see like what it felt like to use that platform. And I noticed even though I came to the platform with zero followers, the two or three videos that I uploaded immediately got 500 views each. And I thought that the model was you get more of an opportunity to like sort of audition your content in the algorithm and then if it works it can blow up very quickly. And I think that that's somewhat true. Like when I started my YouTube channel, the first videos that I put up got 100 views. And for like a year if I broke 1,000 views a video, I was like this is amazing. Like crazy. Hundreds of people.
John Coogan 1:18:42 ↗
Really?
Jordi Hays 1:18:43 ↗
Yeah. But on TikTok you post and you immediately get 500. And I've talked to some folks years ago who would set up a new TikTok account for a brand and they would launch one video that was so polished and so designed to go viral, like they would blow up a car and they'd spend all this money shooting this and it would actually just... they knew that it would go viral and it would just immediately go even though it's a fresh account and there were no followers because they just knew it was good content. It would get shared. TikTok would audition it to like 100 people. Remember when TikTok launched, it was a period where it was so difficult to grow on Instagram.
John Coogan 1:19:18 ↗
Yeah.
Jordi Hays 1:19:19 ↗
Like that there was a huge challenge. If you're a new creator, you go on Instagram and be really frustrated because your stuff just wasn't getting shared with people that didn't already follow you.
John Coogan 1:19:26 ↗
Totally.
Jordi Hays 1:19:27 ↗
There's some comments under here. Last thing on the TikTok front. Turner Novak commented maybe they were views from Chinese users which are gone now. It also could be international users. Remember there's like if you have a new US app under US ownership, is it getting shared with international users that are using other versions of TikTok? Unclear. So...
John Coogan 1:19:49 ↗
Well, let's bring in our first guest of the show, Anton from Lovable. While he comes on, I'm going to tell you about Gusto, the unified platform for payroll, benefits, and HR built to evolve with modern small and medium-sized businesses. Welcome back to the show. Welcome to the TVP and Ultradome. Thanks for taking the time to come and hang out with us. West Coast tour.
Jordi Hays 1:20:07 ↗
It's cool to be here in person. Thank you.
John Coogan 1:20:09 ↗
It's been like more than six months, but it feels like much more. A ton has changed. You know, my side, the business is doing better than ever.
Jordi Hays 1:20:18 ↗
I can imagine. Every time I see a post about you, from you, there's a new biggest number. How is growth going? Is it still accelerating? How's the business doing?
John Coogan 1:20:28 ↗
We are doing great on the growth side. We hit 300 million ARR two months after our 200...
Jordi Hays 1:20:41 ↗
Even louder in person. So, but more interestingly to me is the builders who are doing the real things. I was in the airport from San Francisco here and Adam at owner.com who helps tens of thousands of restaurants, he was like super excited and raving about he had built out a new product line over the weekend in 8 hours where he was solving a new problem where all the customers were saying like, we keep getting these phone calls, it's not always someone picking up, and he built an AI who answers the phone for the restaurants and it was all working. You could like configure it just like you were training a human. And he was now building it, releasing it next with his team. And we're seeing all of these new opportunities where people would use Lovable as their technical co-founder and build businesses.
John Coogan 1:21:27 ↗
Yeah.
Jordi Hays 1:21:28 ↗
And like you maybe saw, like I was super shocked when someone was shipping AI-generated dog pictures in frames to pet owners and they're making $300,000 per month on building that out without any technical...
John Coogan 1:21:43 ↗
How are they actually doing that? Obviously, I think maybe you can describe like the technical co-founder process of building a new application that someone takes payment. But then I want to know about the top of funnel for that.
Jordi Hays 1:21:58 ↗
Yeah. But part of... I mean, I always saw Lovable's growth as millions of people out in the world that historically were just perpetually searching for a technical co-founder.
John Coogan 1:22:09 ↗
Problem is a lot of people that are technical have a bunch of great ideas. They don't necessarily need an idea guy. And so there's all this like sort of pent-up creative entrepreneurial energy that just never really goes anywhere because somebody doesn't take the time to actually learn to code. They never find that right partner.
Jordi Hays 1:22:25 ↗
Yeah, that's what we're seeing. And our mission is about human creativity, which is very fun to empower. But it's not just new businesses. There's a lot of companies and I keep hearing from how they build out like AI applications and agents using Lovable. And once you get into it, especially if you look back compared to 6 months ago, this feels like to me when I use it, there's no limit almost of what you can do. And the thing where Lovable, what I'm hearing is that it's a bit unique is that there are a lot of tools that are coming from kind of developers and then more people keep using them. We started with the non-technical people and that makes it just super simple, but it still has the same capabilities that more sophisticated users are looking for in the same...
John Coogan 1:23:11 ↗
How are you thinking about working with companies like Owner that I'm not super familiar with Owner. We got to have Adam the founder on, but my understanding it's somewhat of like a system of record for a restaurant owner. Is that right? And so in theory he could also offer Lovable as like an integration so that individual businesses that are using Owner can expand kind of and just build products that they themselves want, not necessarily have to rely on Owner. Is that right? Or are you seeing opportunities like that with other companies?
Jordi Hays 1:23:40 ↗
Yeah, I think we have these partnership programs and that's a good idea. I'm going to bring that back to talk to Adam specifically. But what we're seeing...
John Coogan 1:23:50 ↗
Theoretically somebody is on Owner, they have a feature that they want that's not being offered and they can just build it. They don't even have to request a feature.
Jordi Hays 1:23:59 ↗
I mean, that's what the future looks like and what we've seen is that Lovable is first used as a communication medium and there are a lot of people that have stopped using Google Slides and PowerPoint and now they just prompt it away because it looks so nice.
John Coogan 1:24:15 ↗
Yeah.
Jordi Hays 1:24:16 ↗
And I think it's a better medium than the animated videos you were talking about previously. But then now a lot of companies, and us is one of those, we're switching out SaaS providers to using tools that we use...
John Coogan 1:24:31 ↗
build ourselves and we connect, we tell Lovable, can you connect these two different applications, internal tools that we build, and add AI in between of those? And that I think is more of the future of how companies are going to be run.
Okay, let's talk about vibe coding debt and tech debt because we've gone through this where we'll build a product. We built a guest directory, a very simple product that would basically every time an episode would get published, we had an app that would effectively scrape the episode, figure out who was a guest, link everything out and publish it. And it was built in a day by one of our interns last summer and then he had to spend like the entire summer just maintaining it and shipping incremental updates. So are you seeing any changes on that front? Like obviously if it's easier to make products maybe it's easier to maintain them but I think the concern is if you've created 200 different SaaS tools and internal tools as part of your organization then you end up spending really valuable resources at the company, human labor time, just maintaining these systems and making sure they keep running.
Jordi Hays 1:25:45 ↗
Can I talk a bit about the recent updates we did yesterday, Lovable? So there's a much more advanced planning mode that helps asking you or your intern questions about what it is that you're trying to achieve and that makes the AI be able to find a better solution that doesn't need that type of maintenance. And that's one of the many improvements that we shipped yesterday. Another big one is...

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  author       = {John Coogan},
  title        = {Microsoft, Meta, and Tesla Earnings, Hill \& Valley Preview, ChatGPT Ads with Eric Seufert},
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  year         = {2026},
  month        = {jan},
  url          = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3001964/},
  note         = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
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