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Trump's Latest Crypto Earnings Show "Astonishing" Grift | Pivot

📅 Jul 03, 2026 Pivot with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway 53 MIN 95212 VIEWS 131 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
Kara and Scott unpack Trump’s crypto fortune, Democratic primary shakeups, and the Supreme Court’s latest rulings. Then, they discuss SpaceX backing Trump Accounts, OpenAI’s reported proposal to give the government a stake in the company, and Scott's Bending Spoons IPO prediction coming true. 00:00 Intro 00:23 Trump’s Crypto Windfall 9:29 Dems’ “Anti-Establishment Avalanche” 22:11 Supreme Court Decisions 34:31 Government Deals & Big Tech 44:33 Predictions #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #trump #crypto #democrats #supremecourt #spacex #trumpaccounts #stocks #ipo Producers: Lara...

What Scott Galloway said

Written from the verified transcript and checked against it. Every figure links to the moment it was said.

Scott Galloway called Trump's crypto earnings 'grift on a very explicit scale,' noting the president made $1.4 billion from crypto and $2.2 billion total income, up from $622 million, calling it a 'business model' and a 'toll booth for the American government.' He argued the memecoin is securities manipulation and that the president is monetizing the White House. Galloway discussed the Democratic primaries, saying the establishment lost on energy, not policy, and that disruption is needed but warned against socialism, citing $2.2 trillion in tax loopholes. He criticized the Supreme Court's campaign finance ruling and the closeness of the birthright citizenship case, calling immigration 'the secret sauce.' On AI, he predicted a 20-40% decline in a basket of AI-related stocks over 12 months, comparing the situation to the dot-com bust, and criticized government equity stakes in companies as 'protection money.'

Key takeaways

  1. Trump's $1.4 billion crypto income is 'grift on a very explicit scale' and a 'business model,' not a conflict of interest.
  2. The Democratic establishment lost on energy, not policy, and disruption is needed, but socialism has never worked.
  3. The Supreme Court's campaign finance ruling is 'more Citizens United' and the birthright citizenship case was 'far too close.'
  4. AI capex is outrunning monetization; a basket of AI stocks could fall 20-40% in 12 months.
  5. Government equity stakes in companies like OpenAI are 'protection money' and a 'moat.'

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
$1.4 billion Trump's crypto income over the past year metric 1:27
$2.2 billion Trump's total income for the year metric 1:27
$622 million Trump's income in 2024 before presidency metric 1:27
$2.2 trillion Annual spending on tax loopholes and givebacks metric 16:50
20-40% Predicted decline in AI stock basket over 12 months other 30:33
600 to 700 billion Cloud companies' AI infrastructure spend this year metric 30:33

Chapters

  1. 0:00Trump's crypto grift
  2. 2:19American expectations and happiness
  3. 9:07Democratic primaries and disruption
  4. 22:09Supreme Court term and campaign finance
  5. 26:16Birthright citizenship and immigration
  6. 30:33SpaceX and OpenAI government stakes

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 4:13Was it? Didn't you have beads?
  2. 5:42And especially if you're a young person looking at it, like what is your reaction?
  3. 14:17He was sort of where you are, right?
  4. 14:35And the same thing in Texas where they asked people to put their air conditioning down surfaced. What is wrong with them?
  5. 31:23Like, what country are you from?
  6. 32:12Did you see what they did after they lost in a heartbreaking loss to Brazil?
  7. 33:29You don't think they'll do it for the take-one-for-the-team kind of thing?
  8. 34:23I don't know. What do you think?
  9. 39:35And some of the players who thought they were going to need infrastructure for their own demand, specifically Meta and xAI, have said, 'We overestimated the demand of our own LLM, so we're renting out our infrastructure.' Right?
  10. 41:18I forgot about — from farmers, right?
  11. 42:44I would bet computing is an area you would want to eventually — like, once it crashes, buying it up would be a smart thing, right?
  12. 44:50What's next before you get to your prediction?
Scott Galloway 0:00 ↗
This is grift on a very explicit scale, and also like, yeah, that's right. I'm taking it. I'm cheating.
Kara Swisher 0:12 ↗
Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.
Scott Galloway 0:17 ↗
And I'm Scott Galloway. We should get to the news. Actually, there's a big piece in this. Why not?
Kara Swisher 0:21 ↗
Yeah. First, let me just tell you Donald Trump's embrace of crypto is paying off in a big way. Trump earned about $1.4 billion dollars over the past year from crypto, according to a new financial disclosure, which I think is undercounting all the grift he's doing. A big chunk of that came from sales of his Trump memecoin and digital tokens for the Trump family crypto company, which he gets paid no matter what. And everyone who's invested in it is losing, just so you know. He got all this money. It's not just crypto. Trump pulled in at least 2.2 billion in total income for the year, up from 622 million in 2024 before he returned to the presidency. That includes more than 620 million in real estate, hotel, and golf related income, which is almost nothing. Plus 86.5 million from legal settlements from ABC, CBS, YouTube, Meta, and X. This grift is just... and it turns out we're paying for the East Wing. We're paying for the Kennedy Center. We're paying for all manner of things that he is up to, which he said the public wasn't paying for. So, this is astonishing. I think they're undercounting. What did you... I mean, nobody's surprised, but the grift is really quite astonishing.
Scott Galloway 1:27 ↗
Well, there's the grift and there's the... I mean, there's the micro, and that is 2.2 billion in personal income, you know, while sitting as you're occupying the Oval Office, and 1.4 billion of it from crypto, a financial system that he now supposedly regulates. It's... it's not a conflict of interest. It's a business model. Yeah. And essentially what you have in America is slowly but surely we're monetizing everything. We monetize healthcare. We monetize education. We monetize enragement online. And now the president is monetizing the full faith and credit and power of the White House. He went from 622 million the year in net worth before taking office at 2.2 billion after. He's essentially set up a toll booth for the American government. And the memecoin would have been a five alarm scandal for anyone else but him.
Kara Swisher 2:18 ↗
Absolutely.
Scott Galloway 2:19 ↗
It's a financial instrument with no underlying value that goes up when the president tweets about it. And that's securities manipulation with a big red hat. And the fact that he did it the Friday night before his inauguration under the cover of dark, you know, that he called people and said, 'Thanks for giving me 10, 20, $100 million for my campaign. FYI, the coin gets announced tonight. It'll go up and then you can, if you dump it, you dump it.' But on a larger level I was thinking about our 250 year anniversary and I mean this is the reality that since 1991 childhood poverty has gone way down, way down, crime has been cut in half. We have a... the number of people who have gotten educations has gone up. We have a healthier, better educated populace than ever before. The crime is at its lowest rate ever in New York. Right? But happiness, as Jimmy Carr says, or satisfaction isn't a function of what you have. It's the delta between what you have and your expectations. And what's happened in America, because there's now a normalization, an algorithmically normalized 1% in terms of your expectations. I'll give you an example. From 22 to 42, I did nothing but work. And I think my first vacation, the only vacations I took with my mom, we went to Niagara Falls once. We used to go to Magic Mountain because we couldn't afford to go to Disneyland. And I remember going to Club Med in Mazatlan when I was like in my late 20s.
Kara Swisher 3:50 ↗
Oh wow.
Scott Galloway 3:51 ↗
And I thought it was... I mean it couldn't have been any tackier. Bad daiquiris, not a very nice beach.
Kara Swisher 3:58 ↗
All you can eat, but that you wouldn't want to eat all of it.
Scott Galloway 4:01 ↗
And I thought it was amazing. I just thought it was the most... I brought back Club Med shirts. I had a Club Med hat.
Kara Swisher 4:08 ↗
Oh my god.
Scott Galloway 4:09 ↗
I just thought Club Med was the most amazing thing. And I was talking about...
Kara Swisher 4:13 ↗
Did you pay by beads? Was it? Didn't you have beads?
Scott Galloway 4:15 ↗
Yeah, you get beads for bars, for drinks.
Kara Swisher 4:17 ↗
It's amazing.
Scott Galloway 4:19 ↗
Oh god. Yeah. Because here's the thing.
Kara Swisher 4:21 ↗
That's a tell.
Scott Galloway 4:22 ↗
I had never been to nor was I being reminded 105 times a day as people vomited their experience at St. Barts and Mykonos. My expectations were dramatically lower. And then you combine that with the following. The people who are supposedly in charge are exhibiting a level of corruption and depravity that just makes us feel bad about institutions.
Kara Swisher 4:46 ↗
Right. Exactly.
Scott Galloway 4:47 ↗
So you have a coarsening of our discourse where quite frankly there's an economic incentive to post everything. It's happened a lot during the Biden presidency. It's also to a certain extent happening now. You have social media vomiting everybody's wealth in your face and giving you the impression that if you haven't made $3 million on Ethereum and your boyfriend doesn't have a six-pack, you're failing. And also the people in charge seem to be genuinely like low character people and grabbing everything, all the good news. Yeah. And people don't trust the CDC. They don't trust the Supreme Court. It's like what William Gibson said, the future's here. It's just not evenly distributed. Prosperity is here. They see it everywhere. But people don't feel like it's evenly distributed. So people now, a quarter of people under the age of 25 feel good about America. It's 3/4 of people our age. So, it's definitely like... Kylo Scan coined the term vibe session, but the 250th anniversary... if you... if the... well, you're down there. What's the vibe like?
Kara Swisher 5:42 ↗
Well, you know, I think people feel like this guy grabs everything. And what my worry is that it goes... we all hate everything because of these people, right? We think everything's on the take and it sort of makes you feel like nothing works or that there's no payoff for anything. And you know, I was really struck by a really interesting exchange this week between, you know, Elon Musk attacked Ro Khanna for saying he's killed children with the cuts of USAID that he bragged about, you know, putting it to wood chipper, etc. without any care for the impact. And then he said, 'Show me one person who's been killed.' And then Nick Kristof, who does amazing reporting, the New York Times, here's some names. And by the way, there's... and I saw them thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands more. And then instead of like actually engaging him, which he did exactly what Elon asked for because that's his thing. It's like name one person who's hurt, that's their little stupid trick. And he does, and then he's like Nick Kristof is evil. I was like, you... like what it made me think. It sounds really... including this crypto stuff. It's like what is wrong? I wanted to fight the feeling of everything sucks and it was really hard for the first time. I was like, 'These people have no care.' The same thing with Stephen Miller spouting off about the... they won all these Supreme Court cases, but they lost the one that they really care about, which was birthright citizenship, right? And so, they just can't stop the hate. They just have endless pools of hatred and grift. And I wonder how you survive that. And especially if you're a young person looking at it, like what is your reaction? I mean that to me was like... I even feel exhausted by their enthusiastic villaining and stealing. Like I find them exhausting and I just don't know what I would do if I was a young person looking at all this.
Scott Galloway 7:36 ↗
Yeah. It's... look, there's a lot of issues. I mean the number of people in the middle has gone away and young people have a rational reason to be upset. The traditional means of building a life, finding a mate, developing economic security, advancing up the ladder, which is typically some sort of certification, either vocational programming or a college degree, and then buying a house. The incumbents have weaponized scarcity to make it more expensive for them to get those things such that the people who already own them, a college degree and housing, can see the value of those things go up. And also our tax policy which continues to transfer wealth from them to the incumbents. Right. Loosely speaking, our tax policy over the last 50 years has taken $50 trillion and transferred it from the bottom 90% to the top 10%.
Kara Swisher 8:27 ↗
Rich old people. Yeah.
Scott Galloway 8:28 ↗
Yeah. So they justifiably can be very, you know, very upset. Having said that, if you actually look at the data, things aren't as bad as you would believe in terms of the vibe. But again, and this is the great Jimmy Carr, your happiness and your purpose isn't a function of what you have. It's the delta between what you have and your expectations. And the downside of a meritocracy and especially when social media speedballs it is everyone believes if they're not in the top 1% they're failing.
Kara Swisher 9:03 ↗
Except when they're looking at the president just stealing, stealing, stealing.
Scott Galloway 9:07 ↗
That's really it. Like there's just no... even pre... like look, grift has been around, the game has been around forever from the beginning, right, from every country, every historical thing. But this is grift on a very explicit scale and also like, yeah, that's right, I'm taking it, that's right, I'm cheating. And let me tell you, let me put out another story that came out. Politico is calling this week's Democratic primaries in Colorado an anti-establishment avalanche. Obviously what was happening in New York, which was no surprise with Mamdani getting, you know, backing a bunch of people, one of whom is really problematic. Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser, though, upset longtime Senator Michael Bennet, who you and I both have a lot of regard for, who looked like a lock for the nomination a year ago. We thought he'd be governor of Colorado. And then 29-year-old Democratic socialist Zohran Mamdani unseated a 15-term congresswoman, and Manny Rutell, a progressive state representative, defeated a moderate Democrat. The results add up to a growing string of progressive anti-incumbent... and I think that's actually... Steve Bannon was very canny on this stuff... victories, notably with what happened in New York, and there are a number of primaries still to come over the next few months. All this is... a New York Times Siena poll showed Democrats within striking distance of putting the Senate majority back in play. I want you to not go negative yet because I want you to understand, talk about these victories and what they are. And let me read something that Robert Reich wrote on Substack about these elections. Pundits eager to declare a new movement or sound the alarm about socialism are having a field day. But they're wrong. Voters who have supported these candidates haven't done so because they've been particularly attracted to the idea of democratic socialism. Most even don't know what democratic socialism is. In reality, voters have been attracted to vigorous young people who are committed to getting stuff done. Steve Bannon said nearly the same thing, which was really interesting. And I would agree, talking to like Louie, like he's just sick of people not getting stuff done, like, and looking for something else, which is interesting. What are your thoughts on this? I think Reich and, I hate to say it, Bannon are correct.
I think that's exactly right. The establishment didn't lose on policy here, Kara, they lost on energy. And look, I've been calling for disruption in the Democratic party. I think Leader Jeff and Minority Leader Schumer are absolutely the wrong people to provide the kind of robust, energetic pushback that the Trump administration warrants. But here's the thing about disruption is you don't get to pick the exact calibration of your disruption. So for example, I consider myself a moderate and I'm convinced that the true litmus test of someone who's truly a moderate is everybody hates you. So think about the senators who are moderates like Fetterman and Manchin. Everybody hates them. So people claim they want a moderate, but when someone actually shows up and occasionally agrees with the other side, they become an apostate. At the same time, guys like me claim we want disruption. We need to disrupt the Democratic party. And then when it happens, we freak out about it. But here's the bottom line. There's a lot to like here. And I say this full disclosure. I have given money to Senator Michael Bennet for everything he has run for for the last 10 years. I hosted a fundraiser for him for president. You know, by the way, if you get money from me, it's not a good sign. But I think the world of Senator Bennet, former school superintendent, one of the most credentialed people in the Senate, lost to a state agent nobody had ever heard of a year ago. But here's the bottom line. If you want disruption, you don't get to pick your form of disruption. And these candidates, they are... there's a lot to like about these candidates. They're young. They're energetic. They're unafraid. They don't have a bunch of blather about how you would go about universal healthcare. They're just like Medicare for all. So, there's a lot to like about them, but the reality is for those of us in the center, we don't get to pick our flavor of disruption. What I would say that bothers me is that democratic socialists effectively want socialism through democratic means. The reality is if you really look at history, socialism just doesn't work, folks. And they will always point to, what about Northern Europe? Northern Europe is actually more capitalist than we are right now. They just have a social safety net and they spend...
Kara Swisher 13:22 ↗
They call themselves that though, don't they? I mean, you always... you always... Sweden, for example, or the Netherlands.
Scott Galloway 13:29 ↗
Here's the system that's worked. Democracy, individual rights, and capitalism. Call it what you want. When you start believing that you should have government sponsored grocery stores or that you shouldn't have border... I mean that, quite frankly, it just not only doesn't make sense, it threatens our ability to win the midterms. Rahm Emanuel had a fantastic statement in the thread we were on and he said it publicly. We have to stop arguing and atomizing ourselves between blue and cobalt blue. So, I'm more focused on my energy on, you know, the grift and corruption and just stupid decision-making of the Trump administration. So there's a lot I like about this disruption. You don't get to pick your flavor of disruption. And you know what? Young people just want change.
Kara Swisher 14:17 ↗
Interestingly, I was just on Scaramucci's podcast and he said he actually has been impressed by Mamdani and he was very against him. He was sort of where you are, right? Kind of thing. That's right. And he's like, I have to say he's effective. And I do think they're not looking for necessarily just upsetting the incumbents. They want people who do...
And one of the things about Weiser, and I was watching this thing, is he was just a more energetic campaigner. He wanted your vote more. And he wasn't necessarily much more liberal. It wasn't that, because Michael's pretty liberal, relatively speaking, right? Especially in Colorado. He just looked like he could... like he just was energetic and not just fake energy, maybe like what Kennedy felt like back in the 60s. It was like I literally just want you to do your job. Like I want... and I do think... I think you're right about capitalism. I agree with that. But it should... needs to have everyone gets healthcare. That is not... I think that's a really good message of the democratic socialist and everyone else. Everyone should get good healthcare. Everyone should get a good minimum wage. You know, and what's incredible, I'll tell you what really absolutely struck me and I finally realized that the Republican party is [__] in seven ways to Sunday. What's coming next, not... I mean post Trump was... Mamdani said, 'Can we... can everyone like... we have an electrical grid problem coming up with this heat because there's a huge heat warning all over the east coast including in New York.' And he said, 'If you could put, you know, your air conditioning to 78 versus 74 that would be great.' That's all he said. Immediately Ted Cruz and Nikki Haley, I told you she can't help herself, said communism, right? Or social... this is what socialism is. Immediately there were tweets from years ago when she was governor of South Carolina. And the same thing in Texas where they asked people to put their air conditioning down surfaced. What is wrong with them? Like he was asking a normal thing that they themselves had asked for. The minute they jumped on it, they were trying to do socialism. They look like idiots and everyone can see it. And that's why I told you Nikki Haley is impossible. She's never going to win anything because she's such a suckup in so many ways. It was so not sensible. He was saying something sensible and everyone sees it and did not immediately think communism about the air conditioning even though I love air conditioning. And so that to me is... they're vigorous. They're vigorous young people who want to be effective. That is what I think is attractive.
Scott Galloway 16:50 ↗
I don't... I don't disagree with any of that. And the thing that Mamdani and some of these people are doing, the most admirable thing about Donald Trump, President Trump is action orientation. It's ready, fire, aim. It's like, no, I'm going to do this. We're doing it. And the courts might challenge it. We might have to roll it back. But Americans really respect that. And Mamdani, to his credit, immediately imposed certain taxes, certain policies. And I think young people think, 'Well, at least he's doing something.' Now, the glass half empty for me is the following. Whenever the far left and the far right agree on anything, it's a really... that's a tell, it's a really bad idea. They are both anti-vax. I believe they both... the far left and the far right come together on what I believe are anti-Semitic themes. They both come together on an isolationist foreign policy. And what I see here is they both come together on socialism as an economic policy. Donald Trump is investing in Intel. Donald Trump is entertaining the idea of investing in OpenAI. Donald Trump believes that the government should have a golden share in US Steel. All that happens when you do that is you end up with warehouses in Ireland full of DeLoreans and Air France. And you see a lot of that rhetoric from the far left. We absolutely need a more progressive tax structure. But here's how you get to a progressive tax structure. The thing we spend the most money on is not the military. It's not our debt. It's not even Social Security. The thing the American government spends the most money on, we spend $2.2 trillion on givebacks from the tax code in the form of loopholes to corporations and the wealthy. We need to reduce spending on tax loopholes and givebacks to the wealthy and corporations. And if you look at Northern Europe, they're very capitalist. They let companies go out of business. They don't take stakes in Spotify. Their tax rates are either the same or a touch higher than ours. But what they do is they enforce them and they say, 'Spotify, you don't get to write off your jets, your plant property, and equipment.' And the richest people don't get to have donor advised funds where they get to write off donations they haven't made yet. So quite frankly there's some things that really bothered me about the wins in New York because I felt like being anti-Israel was a litmus test. Obviously as a Jew that concerns me.
Kara Swisher 19:16 ↗
Well there was one... there was one... theander is not...
Scott Galloway 19:19 ↗
Shiovalier.
Kara Swisher 19:20 ↗
Yes. Shiovalier is the problem. Yeah.
Scott Galloway 19:22 ↗
By the way she's going to be the poster child. She's about to become the poster child for Republicans.
Kara Swisher 19:26 ↗
She's problematic. No question.
Scott Galloway 19:27 ↗
Anyways, let me circle out to where I started. I don't get to pick the calibration and the color and the flavor of disruption. Disruption, they're youthful, they're energetic, they're unafraid, and that for me is 70 or 80% good. Do I worry that they're embracing a form of socialism that has never worked throughout history? Yeah, I trust there'll be modulating forces from the center on both sides on that. But the reality is we need... the Democratic Party needs to shed its skin. And I gotta be honest, Leader Jeff and Schumer are getting clear signals. No one gives a [__] what you think. You have become... institutional endorsements have become a liability. Just as we thought US bases in Gulf States would provide a veil of protection, they become bullseye. You're going to start to see Democratic candidates say, 'Senator Schumer, please do not come to my rally.'
Kara Swisher 20:20 ↗
They are. They are actually. They're like all talking about whether they'd vote for him. He's got to go. I've told him that to his face. He thought I was kidding. I was like, 'No, you need to step down.' It was like... He's like, 'Haha, Kara.' I was like, 'No, time to go. Time to move along.' I mean, we don't want to... Mitch McConnell situation here. We want to move along. Anyway, we need to go on a quick... I agree with you. It's very... It's exciting. I find it exciting.
Scott Galloway 20:45 ↗
We need a disruption. Good for them. Youth energy. Have at it. I think it's a good thing, too.
Kara Swisher 20:50 ↗
I like non-cautious people. I do. I think the Democrats have played it too cautious. Anyway, let's go on a quick break. When we come back, the Supreme Court finishes its term with some major rulings. That was something.
Scott Galloway 21:01 ↗
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Kara Swisher 22:09 ↗
Scott, we're back with more news. It's been a big week for the Supreme Court as it wrapped up its term. Let's go through a roundup of some of the cases the court ruled on. The court struck down a federal law that bars the president from firing members of the FTC. So no more independent agencies essentially. They lifted limits on how much political parties can spend on advertising and other expenses with candidates. A problem and more... more Citizens United. Upheld two state laws barring the participation of transgender female athletes from girls and women's sports teams. And upheld birthright citizenship striking down an executive order. Let's hear some thoughts from Leah Litman who co-hosts the podcast Strict Scrutiny which breaks down all things Supreme Court. Hey Kara and Scott, here are some quick thoughts on the most recent Supreme Court term. We came within a single vote, one vote of saying the Constitution doesn't mean what it says on birthright citizenship and nullifying a constitutional amendment that is the foundation of our constitutional order of multi-racial democracy after the Civil War. They have also been systematically undermining our democracy, killing the Voting Rights Act, enabling partisan and racial gerrymandering. They've also just killed campaign finance regulations that were designed to prevent political corruption. As a result, the super rich will be able to effectively funnel more than $500,000 directly to candidates in the upcoming election. And they have been killing Congress's capacity to govern at expanding presidential power against a backdrop of a president who has been engaged in corruption and pay-to-play and that is just the start of it.
Scott Galloway 23:40 ↗
Yes, I think she sort of articulated it. The ones that really upset me and I... the birthright citizenship was far too close. Far too close and that was disturbing. And by the way a lot of the Trump people have to go back home wherever they come from. The two that really upset me to me are... is this... the Voting Rights Act, obviously Voting Rights Act absolutely, but the finance... to me it's all the money. The finance regulations designed to prevent political corruption that was... more... more Citizens United was the last thing we need. And then secondly the ability of the... no independent agencies on things that deserve independence like the FTC. And you've seen what Brendan Carr has done, although one of the justices did say Brendan Carr was a [__] in part of his... essentially said that in his ruling. I think it was Kavanaugh, could have been Gorsuch, whatever, they look the same to me. So those two were like giving more power to the president in general which I think will be just as bad with a Democrat and is terrible with Trump. Was two problems, but the money to me was the focus I had. What about you?
Yeah, Citizens United is arguably one of the worst things that's happened in recent history to the US because of the 900 billionaires, they make up a third of political giving. It's probably more than half of influence because they can be much more targeted. You know, unions just give money to whoever's the union candidate. But a private equity firm can give $700,000 to Senator Sinema and say just be the holdout for the infrastructure bill and ask that they strip out the carried interest loophole. And that cost 20 or $30 billion which is the most ridiculous loophole in history. See above, $2.2 trillion spent on loopholes where private equity owners get their commission on investment gains in the form of long-term capital gains. It's totally indefensible. So that's bad. The silver lining, the dotted silver lining on this out of control spend is that what we're finding is it's gone past its utility. And that is it used to be 20 years ago like 97% of the time who raised the most money won. It's no longer happening. Like Tom Steyer spent a quarter of a billion dollars and didn't win. It's almost like the full local news station employment act. The amount of money they're spending on the whole... it's really bad. But what you are seeing is it's no longer the key fulcrum for who or the key lever for who wins. The thing that upset me the most, that which is so frightening that it was even this close, was birthright citizenship.
I mean this is the Constitution, right? Just straightforward. The Constitution says if you're born here you're a citizen. It's right there. And I'm going to give you a couple anchor babies. Balogun who got a red card unfairly. The attacker, the premier striker for the World Cup team. His parents were here. I forget. She couldn't go home. He was born...
Kara Swisher 26:35 ↗
She was too pregnant.
Scott Galloway 26:36 ↗
She was too pregnant. I think the airlines said you're too...
Kara Swisher 26:40 ↗
good for us, right? And also it's a fairly small number. It's only 7%. It's a fairly small number of babies.
Scott Galloway 26:48 ↗
It is. And I would argue the whole word anchor baby is so [__] ridiculous.
Kara Swisher 26:52 ↗
Not only that, but to a certain extent, this is what we don't like to talk...
Scott Galloway 26:54 ↗
Immigration is not only the secret sauce. Illegal immigration is probably the most profitable form of immigration because they're risk-takers and they generally fold back across the border when the crops are picked or there's not enough demand for them. And they pay taxes and they usually don't stick around to collect Social Security and they usually don't call the fire. They commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens. The reality is we didn't just wake up and find, oops, there's 15 million undocumented workers here. Republicans and Democrats have looked at each other and gone, wink wink. It's nice having cheap housing being built in Phoenix, Arizona, or grapes picked for cheap or whatever. How are we going to get all these people to wipe grandma's ass for 11 bucks an hour? I mean, Haitian immigrants are the biggest nurses' aides. I mean, so it's not... This has been an economic decision. Has it gone too far? Absolutely. But be clear, folks, we didn't just wake up and let this happen. So Balagan is one anchor baby. You know who else is an anchor baby? Carolia. No, the Trump. Barron Trump.
Kara Swisher 27:56 ↗
You could say she's a mail-order bride. She's not an anchor baby. She wasn't born here.
Scott Galloway 27:59 ↗
That's true. Sorry. Who?
Kara Swisher 28:01 ↗
Your co-host, Kara.
Scott Galloway 28:02 ↗
Oh, right. You're an anchor baby.
Kara Swisher 28:04 ↗
My parents, at the ages of 19 and 24, got on steamships from Glasgow and London, respectively, and they landed in Canada where my mom was a stenographer and my dad was a candle salesman. They met at a dance. They fell in love. They had sex there. So the conception was Canada, in Toronto. They claimed they got married and had me. I'm not sure if that's true. I'm not going to argue it. I don't care. But they decided they could not also... I'm a bastard. That was my dad. Ankle a few inches short of the blanket, whatever that means. And by the way, he was a bastard. He was born in Australia to an unwed woman who was a nanny at the McVicker family. The entire family was really... Yeah, literally were bastards all the way through. I'm the Jon Snow of Jon Snows. And anyways, my father basically... my father's mother freaked out, said to her boyfriend, 'We got to get out of here. I've already sold the baby to this wealthy family.' And they went... they literally went to the dock and got it shipped to Glasgow, Scotland. Anyway, my mom's seven and a half months pregnant. They said that we cannot endure another winter here in Toronto. And they read an article in the Toronto Globe and Mail saying that the best weather in North America was in this town called San Diego. So they loaded up my mom's Austin Mini Metro, which is basically a lawnmower with doors. Like if you've ever seen Mr. Bean, that's the car. And seven and a half months pregnant, my mom and my dad drove to San Diego and something like 37 days later, I was born at La Jolla. They were not hospital. They were just visiting. And let me make a flex. I'm a US citizen.
Scott Galloway 29:47 ↗
Why didn't I know this about you?
Kara Swisher 29:49 ↗
I am a US citizen. I've had to pay US taxes. Me and my companies have paid well over 100 million in taxes over the last 30 years.
Scott Galloway 29:58 ↗
It seems like it's worked out for everybody. And I just want to notify the IRS and the Trump administration.
Kara Swisher 30:04 ↗
My mother, I am an illegal anchor baby. I think my citizenship should be revoked. And by the way, when I sell my next company, I'm going to be in Dubai and I'm not going to be subject to US taxes. I am down for you to revoke my US citizenship and also abdicate, absolve me of all and refund me of all the tax payments I have made because my parents decided to come to the US and, you know, drop a nine-pound stone called Scott in San Diego instead of Toronto.
Wow. And I would imagine that there is more of Balagan and Galloway than there are people eating cats and dogs, right? Or just running across the border being pregnant. This screed from Stephen Miller, who I cannot wait till he gets his reckoning, is astonishing. So hateful and ridiculous and full of lies. Their whole — and let's not use the term anger because it's so gross. It's such a gross and hateful way of looking at it. I had no — Scott, you could have been sent back wherever. Where would you — Canada? Where would you have been sent to? Do you hear that weirdo talking about eugenics, that people should be sterilized before they get here?
Scott Galloway 31:17 ↗
Yes, I know, right? Are they not allowed in if they're — 1939, Germany's calling and wants you back.
Kara Swisher 31:23 ↗
I know. Wait a second. Where would you go? What country would you go to? Now, that's the other thing. Where do we send them back to? Right. Because would you go to Canada if this passed? Like, you would send them? People are leaving. Last year was the first time since World War II we had no negative immigration. Lost at the Supreme Court, which it could have, right? Where would they send Scott Galloway back to? Was it Canada or is it England or is it Scotland? Like, what country are you from?
Scott Galloway 31:50 ↗
Well, my parents — my dad is or was a Scottish or British citizen. My mom became a citizen of the US, but I guess back to the UK. I don't know.

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Galloway, S. (2026, July 3). Trump's Latest Crypto Earnings Show "Astonishing" Grift | Pivot [Interview transcript]. Pivot with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3002837/

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@misc{galloway2026_3002837,
  author       = {Scott Galloway},
  title        = {Trump's Latest Crypto Earnings Show "Astonishing" Grift | Pivot},
  howpublished = {Interview transcript, Pivot with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = {jul},
  url          = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3002837/},
  note         = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}