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Aswath Damodaran: Big Tech Has No Idea How AI Pays Off

📅 Aug 07, 2026 Prof G Markets 64 MIN 290805 VIEWS 99 SEGMENTS · 3 SPEAKERS
Today on Prof G Markets, Ed Elson and Scott Galloway are joined by Aswath Damodaran to break down the biggest takeaways from Big Tech earnings. He explains what the latest results reveal about the AI race, why he's becoming increasingly concerned about the Magnificent Seven's AI spending, and how he values the hyperscalers. They also discuss how much AI risk is already priced into the market and whether SpaceX's current valuation is justified. Subscribe to the Prof G Markets newsletter: https://links.profgmedia.com/markets-... Order Notes On Being A Man now! https://amzn.to/4nl4VKo Timesta...

What Ed Elson said

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Aswath Damodaran said big tech's AI spending is not his concern; the lack of a stated business model is. He argued the Mag 7, except Apple, have become capital-intensive manufacturing companies, and investors must now judge them on returns on invested capital versus cost of capital. He said the companies likely don't know their AI business model and should be transparent, as markets fill vacuums with skepticism. He flagged that most AI revenue is intracompany, not from end users, and that architecture should be 10-20% of revenue, not 80%. He called the AI buildout overinvestment driven by fear of being left behind, and said he is uneasy. He noted China's LLM token share rose from 8% in January 2025 to over 50%, and that China is targeting the low-margin, high-scale AI market. He said he can live with current valuations, and that debt is manageable at 1.5 times EBITDA.

Key takeaways

  1. AI revenue is mostly intracompany, not from end users; architecture should be 10-20% of revenue, not 80%.
  2. China's LLM token share rose from 8% in January 2025 to over 50%, signaling a low-margin, high-scale market play.
  3. Mag 7 net debt is about 1.5 times EBITDA, so debt is manageable; the real worry is return on investment.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
70, 80, 90% Returns on invested capital for big tech five years ago metric 8:07
8% China's share of LLM tokens in January 2025 metric 37:30
50% China's current share of LLM tokens metric 37:30
20% Acceptable write-down in his big tech investments other 49:51
$6,000 an hour Price Anthropic charges for its products and services price 39:20
10, 15, 20% Healthy share of revenue from architecture in a business metric 18:48
80% Share of SpaceX's value tied to xAI story metric 54:54

Chapters

  1. 0:00Big tech earnings and business model shift
  2. 6:20Free cash flow decline and capital intensity
  3. 12:31Apple's cautious AI strategy
  4. 15:29Lack of transparency on AI returns
  5. 18:48Intracompany revenue and end-user demand
  6. 23:47Fear of being left behind in AI race
  7. 29:31Valuation challenges with cross-holdings
  8. 37:30China's low-cost LLM threat
  9. 44:03Unit economics and AI market structure
  10. 49:51Debt, valuations, and correction catalysts

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 0:00It's scary for markets, but you know what?
  2. 8:07Questions are: Are you earning more than your cost of capital?
  3. 10:19... of you're smart and perhaps you're too immersed in this space to step back and ask the objective question of: Is there really a business here that can justify not a billion, five billion in capex, but tens of billions of capex?
  4. 18:48... building or not, other than through anecdotal evidence, which is the worst kind of evidence we can get—of somebody saying, 'I use Claude and I save $300 million.' Hey, that's great, but what does it tell me about collective revenues?
  5. 30:54What if you're making a huge interest income from cash and you're including it, and that's part of your denominator?
  6. 32:11When you hold an investment as a strategic investment, as an investment that's going to be part of your business in the long term, you generally don't do that, right?
  7. 32:52What's the motive? Why are you doing it?
  8. 39:20Now, one of the most revealing components of the Anthropic success story was how much it costs Anthropic to deliver the products and services that they charge $6,000 an hour for. Right?
  9. 44:23You still have to build — I mean, the physical infrastructure seems so expensive unless you can figure out a way to build data centers at one-tenth the cost, right?
  10. 45:53And my question is, why do you need any of this AI?
  11. 47:48You take the Meta example, right?
  12. 56:47But I'll always tell a full story, and people will take issue with me saying, 'Your story is wrong.' And I say, 'Absolutely, I know it's wrong, but what's the counter?
Aswath Damodaran 0:00 ↗
As an investor in these companies, my concern is not that they're spending money. I think they can afford to spend the money. I can see that they're going for growth, but none of these companies has enunciated what exactly the business model it is that they hope to deliver. And maybe they don't know, but then they need to be open about the fact that they're trying stuff out just as much as the rest of us. It's scary for markets, but you know what? If you don't say something, markets fill in the vacuum.
Ed Elson 0:32 ↗
Today's number: 48. That's the percentage of US adults who now support the idea of banning phones for the full school day. Ed, why did the smartphone need glasses?
Scott Galloway 0:42 ↗
Why? Because it lost all its contacts.
How are you, Ed?
Ed Elson 0:50 ↗
I'm doing well. I've got to tell you, I'm excited for vacation, which is happening for me in about two weeks.
Scott Galloway 0:55 ↗
Where are you headed? Oh, wait. We talked about where you're going somewhere fabulous.
Ed Elson 0:59 ↗
I'm going to Austria. I'm going to a wedding in Germany and then I'm going to drive to Kitzbühel in Austria.
Scott Galloway 1:04 ↗
Oh, Kitzbühel. I've been to Kitzbühel. It's great. Quite frankly, it's great for kids.
Ed Elson 1:07 ↗
I'm very excited. It'll be very nice. We'll go hiking. We'll play sports. We'll do saunas and swim. It'll be a very health-oriented vacation, which is exactly what I want right now.
Scott Galloway 1:24 ↗
It's a wedding, you said?
Ed Elson 1:26 ↗
Yeah, I have a wedding first and then I've attached, sort of bolted on a vacation next to it. So I'm pretty proud of how I've kind of maneuvered this because we have the wedding in Bavaria which will be awesome and then rent the car, drive about two hours into Austria and then spend the week at a hotel. So I'm very excited about this one.
Scott Galloway 1:49 ↗
That is exciting. You know what Austria's greatest achievement is?
Ed Elson 1:52 ↗
What's that?
Scott Galloway 1:54 ↗
Convincing everyone Hitler was German.
Ed Elson 1:56 ↗
He's back.
Scott Galloway 1:57 ↗
I was waiting for Hitler back.
Ed Elson 1:59 ↗
I knew it had something to do with Hitler. That's actually a good point. Yeah, that's true. They did convince him he's an Austrian.
Scott Galloway 2:05 ↗
Yeah, everyone said that everybody's a German. Nope. Austrian.
Ed Elson 2:10 ↗
Nope. Do you have vacation plans?
Scott Galloway 2:12 ↗
The better question is, do I have work plans? I'm on vacation most of the time, as your team knows.
Ed Elson 2:16 ↗
Yeah, I'm here in Colorado and I had to—
Scott Galloway 2:19 ↗
Oh, you're on vacation.
Ed Elson 2:20 ↗
Well, on vacation. I'm up at 7:30 doing these Joey Bagodona podcasts with you, but technically, I mean, my kids are out causing trouble and bored and doing hikes and like that. And we saw a bear last night actually in town, which was kind of fun.
Scott Galloway 2:38 ↗
Brown bear?
Ed Elson 2:39 ↗
Yeah, a little brown bear. My son said, 'Should we run?' I'm like, 'No, you stay here. I'm going to run.'
Scott Galloway 2:45 ↗
Those are very, very dangerous animals. I saw one of those TikToks about what animal kills the most people, and everyone's so freaked out about sharks. Moose kill more people than sharks.
Ed Elson 2:56 ↗
Yeah, moose. I've heard that moose can be quite aggressive.
Scott Galloway 3:00 ↗
Yeah. And hippopotami and crocodiles. Snakes kill a ton of people. I think mostly in India. But—
Ed Elson 3:07 ↗
This is what you've been doing on your vacation.
Scott Galloway 3:09 ↗
Well, of course you know the animal that kills the most people, right?
Ed Elson 3:12 ↗
Um, no, I don't. What is that?
Scott Galloway 3:14 ↗
The amateur answer is the mosquito. But the animal that kills the most humans is other humans. So it's true. We're the problem. We're the problem.
Ed Elson 3:25 ↗
The amateur answer is the mosquito. How many times have you had this conversation?
Scott Galloway 3:31 ↗
I think it's fascinating. Have you been through this? It's really interesting what animals are dangerous and which ones aren't.
Ed Elson 3:37 ↗
Should we turn this into an animals podcast? Maybe that's what this should be.
Scott Galloway 3:40 ↗
Oh, I would love to bring on—I like that guy, the Dog Whisperer guy who goes into homes and then establishes his dominance over the Chihuahua that thinks it's a—
Ed Elson 3:50 ↗
Yes. Cesar Millan. Is that who you're talking about?
Scott Galloway 3:53 ↗
Yeah. Yeah, he was really good.
Ed Elson 3:54 ↗
Yeah. No, he's great.
Scott Galloway 3:55 ↗
Despite the fact you hate dogs.
Ed Elson 3:59 ↗
That's the underrated side about me. I do prefer cats.
Scott Galloway 4:02 ↗
That's not going to help our downloads.
Ed Elson 4:05 ↗
Did you—you had a dog, but not a cat growing up, right?
Scott Galloway 4:07 ↗
I did have a dog. And as everyone knows, he was okay. He was an average dog at best.
Ed Elson 4:15 ↗
I think it's more the owner that was the problem here.
Scott Galloway 4:18 ↗
That's fair enough. I think that's probably true.

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Elson, E. (2026, August 7). Aswath Damodaran: Big Tech Has No Idea How AI Pays Off [Interview transcript]. Prof G Markets. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3003254/

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  author       = {Ed Elson},
  title        = {Aswath Damodaran: Big Tech Has No Idea How AI Pays Off},
  howpublished = {Interview transcript, Prof G Markets. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = {aug},
  url          = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3003254/},
  note         = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}