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The “Ceasefire” Won’t Save The Economy

📅 Apr 10, 2026 Prof G Markets 46 MIN 69725 VIEWS 40 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
This week on Prof G Markets, Ed Elson is joined by Mark Zandi to break down what the tenuous ceasefire in Iran means for the U.S. economy and investors. They discuss his forecast for inflation, what the Federal Reserve is likely to do next, and the probability of a recession. Mark Zandi is the chief economist of Moody’s, a leading provider of economic research, data and analytical tools. He also hosts the Inside Economics podcast. Subscribe to the Prof G Markets newsletter: https://links.profgmedia.com/markets-... Order Notes On Being A Man now! https://amzn.to/4nl4VKo Timestamps: 00:00 I...

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  1. 7:47And you can kind of see it in the current context, right?
  2. 11:14The other thing, just as a point of interest, economists have this old adage: prices go up like a rocket, they come down like a feather, right?
  3. 18:25All else equal, that would say to the Fed, you should be cutting interest rates, right?
  4. 23:02And so if we had not, if that, and that's all deficit-financed, right?
  5. 27:25You know, what is it going to tip the psychology in the marketplace and everyone kind of runs for the door at the same time?
  6. 33:06They're sitting on their hands too, right?
  7. 36:19How do you build that into your models?
  8. 36:32I mean, why have they responded the way they have?
  9. 40:43Now, you know, wages are up too, earnings are up too, but even there, you know, there's reasons for concern. Wage growth is slowing, right?
  10. 44:24I mean, are businesses going to start laying off workers in the context of all the things that we are going through and what we just discussed?
Ed Elson 0:00 ↗
Welcome to Prof G Markets. Scott is off for spring break, but he will be back next week. In the meantime, we have a big episode to share with you today with one of our favorite Prof G Markets guests. So, let's get right into it.
President Trump issued an unprecedented threat against Iran on Truth Social Tuesday, warning that a whole civilization will die tonight. Hours later, he announced a two-week ceasefire. As part of the agreement, Iran said it would reopen the Strait of Hormuz, but would impose a fee of $2 million per ship to help fund its reconstruction efforts. The market's reaction was immediate. Brent crude fell below $100 a barrel. S&P futures jumped, signaling a sigh of relief. And on Wednesday, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth declared, quote, decisive military victory over Iran. But General Dan Caine said the US is ready to resume attacks if the ceasefire falls apart. Meanwhile, Israel continued its Hezbollah strikes and the Strait of Hormuz remains jammed. So the situation is not resolved and the economic impact is now coming into focus once again. The conflict is expected to push inflation higher, with Bank of America projecting the Fed's preferred measure, PCE, could approach 4% this quarter. So for investors, the big question is how do you navigate this kind of uncertainty? Here to help us answer these questions, we are joined by the chief economist at Moody's Analytics, Mark Zandi. Mark, good to have you on the program.
So at the beginning of the week, the question was, are we going to bomb Iran? Are we going to nuke Iran was actually a question that a lot of people were asking. The answer was no. But I think the question becomes now, have things changed because of the fact that we made this threat, now we have this ceasefire, which is kind of a ceasefire, not really, we can get into the details, but I guess how has this adjusted your views of what's going to happen in the markets and perhaps in the economy in the US?
Mark Zandi 2:04 ↗
Feels pretty close to script, more or less. You know, the president has gone down this path in other ways, and when push comes to shove, when markets start to react, when stock prices are down, when interest rates are up, in this case, when oil prices are up, he figures out a way to pivot, to stand down and to declare victory and hopefully move on. And if you know, this go-around, that's been more difficult than, you know, with other similar events. Greenland comes to mind most recently. This one's been more difficult just because of the Iranians' leverage over the strait. But nonetheless, that feels like where we're headed here. And that's kind of sort of what I think markets have been anticipating. You know, if you look at stock prices, for example, as a benchmark, you know, even at the worst of the angst around what was going on in the Middle East, they were down on the S&P 5 to 10%. So, not even a, you know, typical correction. So, I think investors were expecting the president to do something like this. And in fact, that's now what he's done. Now, clearly, more script to be written here. We'll have to see how this plays out. You know, hard to imagine that this is all going to go forward without any difficulty. It feels like there's more problems dead ahead, but we'll see. But this so far feels kind of sort of what investors have expected. It's close to, as I said, pretty much sticking to the script.
Ed Elson 3:28 ↗
I mean, one thing that has changed from before, I mean, I would argue that once you threaten nuclear warfare, the whole world has changed for various reasons, though maybe we can't see them. But one thing that is a legitimate material change that has happened as a result of these, I guess, negotiations is that now Iran is charging $2 million for every ship that passes through the Strait of Hormuz. And they have said in the agreement that they have full sovereignty over the strait and now they're going to charge people for moving goods through it. So I guess the question is, one, do you think that that holds, and two, how significant is it from an inflation perspective? Because it seems like that is, yes, ships can pass through, but now there's a toll and it's quite significant, and perhaps that will increase prices on oil or maybe on gas down the line even more. What do you think?
Mark Zandi 4:25 ↗
Yeah, I think prices are permanently higher. I mean, when I say permanent, nothing's permanent, but at least in the foreseeable future, this year, next year, the year after. You know, there's no going back to the 60, 65 bucks a barrel we were paying before all this mess. You know, there's the points you're making about the Iranians charging a fee. We'll see if that sticks or not. At this point, feels like that's probably the path forward here. That's the one way the president can stand out, declare victory, move on. Even though it's, you know, a victory only in name. You know, all we need is for the president to use that as a way to extricate himself and the military from all this, but you're still left with a fee that's not inconsequential. And then, of course, insurance companies are going to demand a higher insurance premium for insuring the traffic that moves through the strait because, you know, who knows what will happen in the future.
And then traders are going to demand a risk premium. They're not going to hold oil prices without a premium, thinking that, you know, again, the Iranian regime is still in place and can still create havoc and more than likely at some point will. Therefore, you know, you got to pay me a higher fee. So, if you told me after everything kind of normalizes, winds down, hopefully that's by the end of the year, that oil prices are at 80 bucks a barrel, you know, that sounds about right to me. So we were at 60, you know, we got as high as 110, you know, before the ostensible ceasefire. With the ceasefire, the oil is now trading at 95. And if you told me at the end of the year it's 80, I say that sounds about right. Now, you know, for the US economy, that's obviously not good. You know, we're paying more for oil and other products that are coming from the Middle East, the agriculture, chips, aluminum, you know, lots of different commodities. And so it adds to inflation, it weakens growth, it adds to the ill effects of the tariffs, which do the same thing. They raise inflation, weaken growth. But, you know, the economy can navigate through without an economic downturn. It's much diminished by what's happened and what's going on, but it's not pushed under by what's going on. Now, I'm just obviously, Ed, focused on the very near term, you know, next month, next six months, next year. There's other longer-term consequences of all this, and you, you know, you mentioned about the kind of the implicit threats around using nuclear weapons. You know, those things have consequence, I think, in the long run. They're not clip events per se, but they're corrosives on economic growth. It just creates general angst, uncertainty, and that's just not good for business in the long run.
Ed Elson 7:02 ↗
Yeah. How does that play out, those long-term consequences? Because I feel like we're so focused on direct effects right now because we're talking about guns and missiles and nuclear bombs. And it seems almost ridiculous to try to map out, oh, what are the second-order effects going to be of dropping a nuclear bomb or not? It's like, whatever, you dropped a bomb. But what are some of those second-order effects here? I mean, how do you think that this ceasefire that was preceded by very, very scary threats and that may not really last, it's at least that seems to be the situation right now, how would that affect our economy further down the line?
Mark Zandi 7:47 ↗
Yeah, I view this as a part of a broader, very corrosive trend, and that's the deglobalization of the economy, that the US is pulling away from the rest of the world very quickly. I mean, you know, tariffs, immigration policy, you know, what we're doing geopolitically, and then, of course, now the rest of the world is pulling away from us, you know, very, very quickly. And when you raise the specter of military action and even implicitly make reference to potential use of nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction, it just makes everyone nervous about your ability to lead and the stability of your leadership and, you know, what you have in mind. And I think it means that the rest of the world is going to be looking for different partners to do business with. And, you know, the US is a big economy, it's the largest on the planet, so, you know, it's still going to play a very central role, but increasingly less of one as we move forward. And if that's the case, if we are deglobalizing and this is just one more thing that will cause that process to continue and potentially even accelerate, that has all kinds of corrosive effects. You know, the nation has benefited enormously from the globalization process and the fact that the US is central and the US dollar is central to everything that goes on in the world. And that is now going to be under pressure. It was under pressure before all this, it will be under even more pressure going forward. And, you know, again, it's not one of those things that manifests in a particular event. It could, but that's unlikely. It's one of those things that just plays a role longer run in markets. So, you know, for example, we're going to have to pay higher interest rates. And you can kind of see it in the current context, right? I mean, historically, you might have thought if we had this kind of event and a risk-off environment and people are nervous and scared, the capital will come flowing into the United States, interest rates would decline. But that's not what's happened. Interest rates actually have increased. You know, the 10-year Treasury yield before all this was below 4%. We got as high as 4.5%. Today we're sitting at 4.4%. You know, that's indicative of things moving in a direction that's very unusual, unexpected. And there may be lots of reasons for that, but one of the reasons may be, I think, that the safe haven status of the US is under pressure because of events. We're no longer, you know, deemed to be the rock, the place you go when things are going bad, and we're going to pay a price for that in many, many ways, but it's most manifested most immediately in the form of higher interest rates.
Ed Elson 10:27 ↗
So higher interest rates, it's higher gas prices long-term, I assume, is the trajectory. I mean, I guess one question is, oil prices surged above 100, they were approaching 150, and now they're coming back down. And your suggestion is that if things remain as they are, which is like there's a little bit of a ceasefire but bombs here and there, but the strait isn't completely closed, then maybe we'll hit 80. I guess the question is, does the fact that oil was at close to 150, does that trickle through down to gas prices in the long term in any way? And what is the overall trajectory of gas prices at this point?
Mark Zandi 11:14 ↗
A good rule of thumb, you know, for US gasoline prices, the cost of a gallon of regular unleaded, is that for every $10 sustained increase in oil price, you get a 25-cent increase in a gallon of regular unleaded. So if we were at 60 bucks before this all started, we kind of peaked out, you know, on a weekly basis around 110. I'm rounding, obviously, to make the arithmetic easy. That's a 50-buck barrel increase. So that would say gas, which was at just under $3 a gallon before all this, will settle in at 4.25. That's where we were headed, to 4.25. Now with the ceasefire, we're down to 95 bucks a barrel. Let's just assume, for the sake of argument, that's where we stay for a while, for the next week or two, which is, you know, obviously very tenuous. I mean, the ceasefire, who knows how that's going to play out, but let's just say it does. That's an increase of, you know, 35 bucks a barrel. You can kind of do the arithmetic. We'll settle in at, you know, somewhere around 3.75, 3.80, 3.90, something in that order of magnitude. So, you know, well above three where we were, but not 4.25. That's kind of sort of where we'll settle in. Obviously, it's not just gasoline, it's diesel, right? That's the other thing. Diesel prices have gone up even more, and jet fuel. But diesel prices have gone up quite a bit more. And that is critical to things like groceries, you know, because a big part of the cost of getting food on the store shelf is trucking it from the farm or the port. And so we're going to be paying more for groceries. And obviously, Americans are already very upset about the high grocery prices they're paying for lots of other reasons. It affects everything that's delivered at your door. You know, Amazon, UPS, FedEx, the US Postal Service now has a surcharge. So you're going to be paying more for that. And then every airline now is trying to figure out ways to raise prices for tickets and other ancillary services to compensate for their higher jet fuel costs. So the effects of the run-up in oil prices is going to be felt for, you know, quite some time. The other thing, just as a point of interest, economists have this old adage: prices go up like a rocket, they come down like a feather, right? Because especially in the current context, I've been very surprised by how quickly the pass-through has occurred, particularly with gas prices, you know, very rapid, you know, almost like as soon as oil went up a dollar a barrel, it showed up at our local gas station. But they'll come down more slowly. They'll come down because of competition, but the competition will take a while to kick in. So they'll take longer to come down. So I think we should, you know, you mentioned, I think it was JPMorgan, BofA, 4% inflation in the current quarter annualized. That sounds about right. That's what we're going to get despite the ceasefire and despite the pullback in oil prices that we've seen over the last day or so.
Ed Elson 14:14 ↗
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We're back with Prof G Markets. When you do anything that increases inflation at a structural level, which it seems has happened here, it's almost like you're testing the consumer. Are you down to pay this much? And then when the consumer does pay, largely because what, are you going to not pay for gas at this point? I mean, most consumers need to pay for gas. Then it's like, oh, they can afford it. They're good. The consumer is spending, which is obviously going to make the inflation even stickier. I think the big question then becomes, what does this mean for the Fed? And I mean, coming into 2026, what was so striking was that investors seemed to recognize, yes, there are some headwinds here. Yes, we're worried about the AI story. It might be a bubble, and that's causing some concern, etc. But generally, the story, which I even bought myself and said on this podcast, was, yes, but we are entering a rate-cutting environment. And so the idea of betting against the stock market in a rate-cutting cycle is pretty bold and maybe one that you should sort of second-guess. And now inflation's rising again, and we've had tariffs plus this, and it appears as though the Fed might be interested in even hiking rates. That is increasingly becoming a probability. What do you think this means for the Fed and the Fed's decision, and how might that affect asset prices moving forward?
Mark Zandi 18:25 ↗
I mean, I think the Fed for the foreseeable future, at least the next few, couple, maybe three meetings, is on hold. They're just going to sit on their hands for two reasons. One, they don't know how this is all going to play out. You know, what exactly is the ceasefire? Is it going to hold? You know, what does it mean? Where are oil prices going? You know, I'm giving you my forecast, but I say it with no confidence, you know. So reason number one for doing nothing, sitting on their hands, is the uncertainty. The other is the nature of the shock. Just like tariffs, it weakens growth. It hurts the job market. And since Liberation Day a year ago, we've created no jobs. You know, some months up, some months down, but net net, we've gone nowhere. And now you're throwing this into the mix. All else equal, that would say to the Fed, you should be cutting interest rates, right? Because your mandate is full employment. But conversely, you have higher inflation, and your other mandate is low and stable inflation. So all equal, that argues for higher interest rates. So the net of all that is, I don't know. I'm just going to sit on my hands. I think the deciding factor for the Fed ultimately will be inflation expectations. You know, if in fact investors, business people, consumers begin to believe that we're in a world of higher inflation, and that shows up in wage demands and, you know, pass-through and the willingness of businesses to, you know, pass through their higher costs quickly to consumers, that's when the Fed's going to say, oh, I got a problem here. I can't allow that to happen. And they'll sacrifice the economy at the altar of low and stable inflation because they realize that if they don't, that inflation will only accelerate. Ultimately, they're going to have to push the economy into recession anyway, and that will be even more severe down the road. So take your lumps, you know, right now. Get inflation expectations back in. And that's kind of sort of what motivated the rate increases back when Russia invaded Ukraine and inflation took off. Inflation expectations actually did pick up. If you go back and look, lots of ways of measuring that. But you can look at, you know, five-year forwards or five-year break-evens or inflation swaps. They all showed inflation expectations were coming unmoored. And that's why the Fed jacked up interest rates in an unprecedented way. You know, they raised them more quickly than any time in history. So if inflation expectations in the current period come unmoored, then that's what they're going to do. Now, good news, at least so far, it feels like inflation expectations are still anchored. That, you know, if you look at five-year forwards or five-year TIPS break-evens, they don't look like they've pushed up to a significant degree, at least not yet. So that would argue that, you know, once things settle and the uncertainty fades and they got a better grip on, you know, what's going on with the events in the Middle East, they'll be more focused on the job picture, the weak growth, than they will be on inflation. And I think, and again, I say this with low, low level confidence, but I think the next move will probably be a cut, but not, you know, not anytime soon. At best, late this year. There's a December meeting, maybe, but more likely early in 2027 for them to start cutting rates. Now, you asked about asset markets. The other aspect of that, I mean, I think asset markets have kind of sort of bought into that. I mean, you know, depends on the day or the minute you look at Fed futures because, you know, investors are all like, you can tell I'm all over the map in how I'm thinking about this. They're all over the map, but my guess is if we look today, they'll be saying no rate cuts. Their forecast will be very similar to what I just laid out, you know, something like that. So I suspect that if that's, you know, what we get, then, you know, they should have no, at this point, no more further bearing on asset markets, stock prices, because that's embedded into their expectations, or at least ostensibly embedded into their expectations.
Ed Elson 22:17 ↗
The more you game theory this out, and we talk about how this will affect inflation and what the decisions that this leaves for the Fed, it basically leads to recession. I mean, unless we can keep inflation under control and get prices, get those numbers downward, it does seem that that is kind of the trajectory we're headed. You said that a recession would be more than likely by the second half of 2026 unless the hostilities ended.
Mark Zandi 22:51 ↗
Yeah.
Ed Elson 22:52 ↗
I guess the question is, how does what's happened this week update your recession forecast and your probability that we would enter a recession?
Mark Zandi 23:02 ↗
When we started the conversation, I said things kind of stuck to reasonably stuck to script. So that would suggest that we'll come close to recession. We'll feel uncomfortable. Things are going to feel very uncomfortable, particularly in the labor market, the job market. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more consistent job loss here in the next few months, but we still will be able to kind of navigate through without an economic downturn. I mean, the one thing that's kind of saving the day is the deficit-financed fiscal stimulus, right? We had the One Big Beautiful Bill Act passed last year that has tax cuts for businesses and for individuals, and the individuals are benefiting from it right now because tax refunds are larger by a consequential amount. I think the average refund check is about $350 more than it was last year. And for lower-middle-income households, that, you know, that goes a considerable way to cushioning the blow from paying more for gasoline and for groceries. And so if we had not, if that, and that's all deficit-financed, right? So, you know, taxpayers are paying for it. But if it hadn't been for that, then I think the odds of a recession would have been well over even. But with that, it's providing enough support at the same time that people are having to put all their hard-earned money into their gas tank that we should be able to navigate through. But it's going to be close. It's going to be very, very close. And that's what my modeling is saying. You know, different indicators of recession, we've talked about, I think, in the past, and they're all basically saying the same thing. The probabilities at this point are 40, 45, 50%, you know, very, very close of a recession at some point in the next 12 months. So it's, I think we'll navigate through. My kind of baseline worldview, you know, in the middle of the distribution of possible outcomes is we navigate through at this point, particularly because, you know, hopefully the ceasefire is signaling we're moving in the right direction here. But again, you know, we got to be humble, and I do think the risks are awfully high. The final thing I'll say is on that, and, you know, in response, is nothing else can go wrong. Nothing. Nothing. There's no margin of error here. I mean, everyone's on edge, you know, if anything else doesn't stick to the script. And goodness knows, I mean, things are not sticking to anybody's script here, you know, for the past year. If something else doesn't go exactly right, you know, I think we're over, recession odds are over even, and it's going to be very difficult to avoid a downturn.
Ed Elson 25:41 ↗
Right. And that's the part that is so interesting, watching investors and watching the markets try to price that in, because the way, I mean, it's almost like I just think about the way I'm thinking now. I mean, at the beginning of the week, I didn't think we were actually going to drop a nuke on Iran, but I was like, well, it's a question that you have to take seriously because the guy did threaten it and he said that it would probably happen. And so I didn't actually think that, but that was something that was in my head. And now as we get to the end of the week, I'm sitting here and in my own mind, I'm just completely preoccupied with completely different things. The entire conversation has changed. And yet, one thing that remains throughout all of this is that the uncertainty and the volatility and the erraticism of the guy remains incredibly high. And so the idea of saying, oh, okay, it's solved now, probably slightly, that also seems crazy. And I wonder if, I think you make a good point about the insurance premiums in the Strait of Hormuz and the way that that will affect prices moving forward. It does seem like that's the business to be in right now, and that's possibly going to put, I mean, I guess I'd pose a question, maybe the most amount of pressure on prices is, I mean, insurance is the best example. We are going to have to price the uncertainty of this moment. Yes, maybe ships can pass through right now, but how do you price the risk that perhaps they will not be able to pass through tomorrow? And how do you put that into your model? Those are the questions that seem to be significant and very, very hard to answer.

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