All right, forget ChatGPT. That's old news. You talk about ChatGPT. My mom knows ChatGPT. Today we're playing a little game called Blow My Mind with AI. And me and Sam, we set each other a little challenge. I said, I'm going to bring some AI tools that I think are pretty cool. You do the same. Let's have a little show and tell. Let's get smarter together about cool things you can do with AI.
So the premise for the episode is: what are the AI tools that everybody should know about that it feels like you're on the bleeding edge of something, or you're on to something that's going to be big in the future? And that's what I want to see today.
Okay, so you've seen... Okay, everybody talks about agents. Oh, agents. Agents love agents. Agents are all the rage. Is anybody using an agent? What are they using agents for? So, this is kind of... I got into a rage about agents and I was like, "Let me see if I can get one useful agent working." And I tried a bunch of different tools, but I want to show you a fun one that this guy Garrett made. So, Garrett is the founder of Pipe Dream, which is a very cool company. He's in Austin. You might know him actually. They're basically... these guys are building like underground delivery tunnels.
Yeah, they're... Well, I mean it's a really hard company, but like they built this thing, like check this out, in Austin. They have this first thing called Goods, which is like an autonomous... it's kind of like DoorDash or Instacart, but it's like the fastest grocery pickup in the world. So you order it and then in two minutes, like there's a crate of things that have been picked that gets delivered to you and you go pick it up from your local like Goods locker type of thing.
Okay, so check this out. So he, I guess as a side project, he built this thing called Do Anything. And I want to give it a shout because you know a lot of people know about Claude and these other things and I thought this was a pretty cool site. So, if you go to doanything.com, you'll see it. But, I'm going to show you what this can do. So, check this out. I said, I go to this thing. It says Do Anything. And basically, the promise is just tell me what to do, I'll go do it. It's a to-do list that does itself. So, I said, "Analyze my YouTube channel's performance like you're a world-class content strategist. The channel's called My First Million on YouTube. It's a podcast." I couldn't even bother to give it the link. I was like, I don't know, see if you can figure this out. So, it thinks about it and then it's like, at first it asked me, it was like, "Hey, can you log in with YouTube?" And I was like, "No, I'm not going to do that right now. I don't know the password. I'm just going to say no to that. Tell me what you could do." And so it says, "Okay, got it." And so it does the reflection. Now, here's what it does. So he gives you the State of the Union report. This is now like a couple minutes later.
So it says, "State of the Union. You've built a powerhouse with 869,000 subscribers and 300 million total views. That's a massive footprint in the business niche. However, a world-class strategist looks past the vanity metrics to see the real story." And then it's like, "Your average videos get 20 to 45,000 views. For a channel with nearly 900,000 subscribers, that's a big lag where your core audience, only 3 to 5%, are clicking on new uploads immediately." And then it looked at what are winner episodes, why that title was good, what's working, what's not, strategic recommendations.
That's a great title. Wait, scroll up. It says, "How to Make a Million Dollars So Fast Your Accountant Gets Worried."
Gets nervous. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, "Okay, that's already better than, you know, most of the titles we come up with when we try." And it did it right away. And then it basically says, "Okay, here's what I think you should be doing, right? Double down on contrarian wisdom." So instead of just guest X tells their story, it's why everything you know about X topic is wrong. Get your thumbnails right, whatever. Get your shorts to lead to longs. And then it was like, "I can help more." And so then I said, "Okay." I said, "Create a one-month content plan designed to 10x our monthly views while staying on brand and in our niche of business junkies, money, wisdom, and cool business trends."
Let's just make a comment here. You did this 19 minutes before we were supposed to record.
Yeah. Yes, I did. And look what it did. Okay. So, then it starts doing it and it's like, "All right, here's a one-month outlier content plan." And it started to say, look, we're going to go all in on video essays because they're going to have a higher conversion rate and a higher AVD. We're going to make our thumbnails feel like a business documentary rather than like two guys talking on a podcast like a Zoom call. And for topic selection, we're going to look for things that are a big promise with low friction. You know, unsexy businesses, money traps to avoid, you know, a one-person million-dollar portfolio, how to do it. And then it gave me this sheet that was like, here's your plan. So, it's like it starts giving me actual videos. "How to Build a One-Person Million-Dollar Portfolio in 2026." And then it's like, "Brutal Truth Series." So, "Why Your 9-to-5 Is Actually Your Biggest Financial Risk," "The Seven Money Traps That Are Keeping You Poor," "Future Hype: The Next Nvidia," "The Death of SaaS: What's Going to Replace SaaS," "Inside the Brain of a Billionaire: How X Built a Billion-Dollar Empire," "17 Lessons from a Thousand Episodes in My First Million." And then it basically starts to give you those. And then it's like, "Would you like me to script these out? Which one of these do you like? Would you like me to come up with thumbnail ideas?" And you just keep saying, "Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Keep going." "Yeah, have at it. Knock yourself out." And you just do that. Like, isn't that... I mean, I just feel like the idea of having background workers that are going to be constantly working for you. And by the way, this is getting better and better. So, have you seen ChatGPT's Pulse feature?
Yeah, I pay for it. It's expensive, but it's pretty great.
But it's cool, right? It knows what you're already trying to do and it's like, cool, every day I'll just proactively search for stuff and I'll write stuff to you about the things you care about. Like you don't have to prompt me. I'll just come up with prompts and I'll just serve it to you. And I just think like this is getting more and more that way where it's like automatically triggered by reading what's going on. And so I'm downloading these other tools that basically will like read all my Slack messages and then based off of what's being said, it'll just go try to do the work. So Farcon is working on a tool like this called Nebula. It's an app that you basically go in, you connect your Slack, your Gmail, whatever you want to connect, your Google Calendar, and it just knows it's like, cool, if you give me your calendar, I know what meetings are coming up. I'll just create prep docs for you for every meeting that you have coming up. I haven't gotten this to work for me good enough yet because it's like, he's, you know, Farcon's one of my good friends and this is like an early, early prototype. So, you know, fair warning, this is not like the most functional thing yet. But like I'm playing with it because this one does it. This one has an even more interesting premise which is basically you don't need to ask me what to do. I should be able to figure out what to do based on what's going on. And so, you know, in their case, it's like, cool, if a bunch of people on your team uploaded new code to GitHub, I will automatically go read it, summarize the changes, and just tell you about it tomorrow morning. You don't need to tell me go look at GitHub. I know I'm connected to GitHub. If something changed, I'm going to tell you about it.
So, is this worth trying now?
Yeah. So, for me, it's not that useful because I don't have a huge team on my core team. So, like, you know, we don't have a daily standup. We don't push code to GitHub. Like, you know, it's just like three of us and we mostly just talk to each other. Like, I already saw the messages. But if you have, you know, a 10-person, 20-person, 30-person team, this can be extremely useful, right? And you just set up different workflows of saying like, hey, keep checking my dashboards and giving me summaries and tell me when anything pops off, right? You could just tell it to do stuff like that in a chat interface and it figures out how to do it. That's the idea behind something like this.
With everything, I mean, this can do your job for you. Like, I'm already using ChatGPT. Like, sometimes if I get in an argument with one of my employees or like if I'm like, what they did angers me, but I need to be productive about it and reply in a way that solves the problem. I'll upload the email and be like, you know, my instinct is to like write this angry thing, but like obviously I know that's not right. Can you like help me like write this email in a way that gets me what I want, right? And so it's already like doing a lot of the talking anyway.
Hey, quick break because if you're liking this episode about AI tools, I have something else you might be into. A while back, our friend Greg came on the pod and did a show and tell of his own. He walked through five tools that you can use to build a business that doesn't require a bunch of employees or a lot of capital. And they're not the obvious AI tools that everyone's talking about. They're more of the underrated, under-the-radar tools that, you know, the sort of power nerds like us and Greg try to find and try. So if you're looking for a list of AI tools that you can check out and kick around for your business, you can get it right now. It's in the description below, totally free. Hope you enjoy that. And now, back to this episode.
Are you using Whisper Flow?
Oh my god, dude. I barely type anymore. Do you use it on your cell phone? It's so good on the phone, too.
So, Whisper Flow is pretty amazing. It's an app that basically does just amazing text-to-speech. So, that's actually the wrong way of saying it. That's kind of the nerdy way. What's the real way of saying it? Typing is a pretty slow thing to do. It actually requires a lot of energy and you don't really realize it until you're able to just like stop doing it. So, what Whisper Flow is, is it's on your phone. So, like if I go to our iMessage, there's a thing that just says Start Flow. So, all I do is I just click this button. And so, any app that I'm in, right? This is not like just in ChatGPT or just in Gemini. I could do this in Slack. I could do this on Facebook. I could do this on Instagram. I could write a caption. I could write an email. I can do this anywhere. I just hit Start Flow. I'll be like, um, and then now it's listening. So, I say, "Hey Sam, for today's episode, do you want to do the AI episode? Next line, I'm thinking that we could each show two or three different cool apps. I'm not sure if you've already prepped it, but I have two for sure that I can do. Let me know what you're thinking." Boom. And now it's got that captured perfectly. And what's cool about this is they, because this is all they specialize in, they start to notice like, oh, I like to break up lines. Like, I kind of, I go back and I remove periods. I think they look too formal in text message. I think it makes you come across like an [__]. I will separate lines out by pushing enter. I don't like big blocks of paragraph text. So, it learns as I do that once, twice, then the next time it's just going to do it automatically. It's going to format it automatically to look more like me. Mine will add bullet points. So, I'll be like, "Hey, I've been thinking about these three things. The first thing is this. The second thing is this other thing, and the third thing was this thing." Also, I was thinking... actually, I didn't mean to say that. Also, I was... scrap. Yeah. And so it does one, two, and then yeah, when I said, actually, I didn't mean that, I meant the fourth thing, like it actually adds a fourth and it doesn't say what I said previously.
And so this can be pretty powerful. Like, I will go for a walk. So, I'll go walk my dog, pop an AirPod in, and I can just come up with whether it's an email or a blog post or something I'm trying to write, a book chapter, whatever it is, and I'll just ramble. I'm just talking for like 30 minutes. I'm like, what I could say is that, you know, creativity is the new productivity. That the last 50 years have been about who can be most productive, but now with AI, everybody's instantly productive. It's actually about who's got the best ideas. So, creativity is the new productivity. I think that's a good point. So I'll just talk like that, just rambling, and at the end I'll just give that to, you know, Chat or a different service and I'll be like, hey, can you remove the rambly parts and like structure this and organize this well for me, make this into an actual book chapter? And it'll like give me something that's 85, 90% there and I didn't have to even have my phone out, didn't have to look down at my screen. I'm out in nature just walking around. Like, it's a very different way of working that, you know, my dad, if he saw it, he'd be like, what are you... this is not work. What are you talking... what are you doing? This doesn't even... I don't even understand what's happening right now.
I think that's the difference between the winners and the losers. Basically, the people are going to use it and they're going to 10 or 100x their output, and the losers are going to be, this is too new, this is too fast, we should keep it old school.
Yeah, exactly. I wrote this blog post six months ago, a year ago or something like this, and I basically called it the K-shaped economy, which is like people are saying, "Oh, AI is going to take your job." And of course it will if you don't use it. It's like, yeah, computers, you know, take jobs too. I basically said like the K-shaped economy is that it's not that your whole job goes away, but a job is basically a bundle of tasks. Okay? So like even if you work at a grocery store, your job is a bundle of tasks. Maybe you're restocking shelves, maybe you're at the checkout thing, maybe you're bagging, maybe you're pushing carts, whatever you're doing, right? It's a bundle of tasks. And so first you have to think about what is the bundle of tasks in my job? And then you have to say, how many of those can I get AI to do instead of me or to make me way better at doing than I'm currently doing it? And so I said like basically like 80% of those tasks will basically be replaced by AI and then 20% of those tasks will become enhanced by AI. So things that you'll be able to do much better. And so, you know, if you just take any of the things that we talked about just now, right? Like let's take the YouTube content strategist, right? That's a job. Well, now if I can just say, "Hey, you should set up a little machine that is constantly scanning YouTube to find what other adjacent channels are doing, what's working, what are outlier videos, breaking those down into like..." and then have a second thing that analyzes those and says, "Okay, that was an outlier. Why do I think that that worked so well?" Then it takes that and it references it against the My First Million brand corpus and says, "What should you guys be doing? How could you take this outlier video and make it your own?" and like using that to then pitch us, you know, kind of like crazy...
Here's what I think you guys should be doing. Now all of a sudden you're 10 times better at your job. Even better would be like, so Google keeps releasing these like really powerful things but they suck at marketing them. And so if you just kind of poke around what Google's got, they actually kind of have better tools for a lot of things. So there's this thing called NotebookLM and if you just go to like the homepage of it. So let me just go to the home page real quick. It's like, you just create a notebook. So if you say, "All right, I want you to make something for me or teach me something." It's like a great way to learn about anything. So what I did was you can drop in any podcast. So Dwarkesh does a great AI podcast. So Dwarkesh has a great podcast. Karpathy came on. Karpathy was the former head of AI at Tesla and he's like one of the self-driving gurus and probably one of the best thinkers about AI in the world. So it's an hour and a half. I can either listen to it or I can first just get a quick summary of it. So, I just dropped in the link to it and here's what it made. So, I dropped in the link and then I said, "Turn this into a slide deck," and it created this. So, it creates this thing called "Summoning Ghosts: The Decade of AI Agents." And it created this entire presentation that just was autogenerated from me giving it one YouTube link to the podcast. So, it says it's not the year of agents, it's a decade of agents. Here's a quote from him. He says, "I have 15 years of experience with people making predictions. If I just average it out, it feels like a decade for me." And then he's like talking about like animals.
Wait, wait, wait. So all... Can you go back? Let me see. Exactly. So all of these images are from... It made it.
It made... It didn't show anything. It just looks at the transcript and it turns it into a PowerPoint presentation.
Oh my god. This is... What's this called on Google? Notebook.
I know, but I use that. What's this feature called?
This is NotebookLM. You just... I just dropped in. I clicked... See here on the right, I clicked Slide Deck. So, all I did was I just gave it the link, right? I gave it this YouTube link. See this YouTube video right here? I just dropped in the link. I didn't watch the video and then I said, "Make me a slide deck about it." It took like 10 minutes and then it made it. Like, "Okay, that's cool." Then you think about what comes next. So, I saw this guy... Favorite... Were...
All those graphics legible? Like, did it all make sense? Because there's...
Yeah, they're not... Okay, they're all legible as in they're not just gibberish, but you know, like this wouldn't be like... I'm sure there's some things in here that are a little bit off or a little bit dumb, but some of them were really overly complicated. Like I don't know what this is. Like this chart looks like kind of crazy.
So I'm not sure how useful this is, but like I saw somebody do this with Ray Dalio. Ray Dalio gave a talk somewhere and he turned it into this and I was like, "Oh, wow. This is so much better than going and listening to Ray Dalio talk for an hour." Like I can get this and now I might actually be interested in listening to the full talk, but this gave me the gist of it. Okay, so then check this out. So...
Man, staying on top of all this stuff is really hard.
So now this guy built a tool that basically makes presentations look sick. So, the thing I gave you before was cool because it made the presentation, but it looked kind of like...
I don't know, some of the standard academic, a little whatever. So, check out this guy's thing. So, he's like, um...
Do all of my presentations like this.
Okay, watch this animation. So, he gave it his slides and he was like, or he gave it like an initial slide and then the outline of what he wanted to talk about. Watch what it makes. Watch this animation exactly in the style. So when you just scroll...
But check out what happens if I start playing my presentation. I get not only perfect slides, I also get... check out what happens.
He just gave it this and then it transitioned perfectly into the next slide. So all the next slide looked like this static, right? The first slide looked like this static. AI made it so that it will automatically make it look like you animated one into the other, but they weren't related at all. That I wanted it to be. But...
Isn't that... What was this called? What's this called?
That I've made... you know what I mean? Like, how sick is this? These are just two independent slides. Remember how Prezi broke everyone's mind because it would like whoosh over from like one slide to the next? This was like Prezi, but the AI thing for me. I was like, "Oh, that's amazing. I want my look like that." Glyph Slides. Pages.
Yeah. So, it's this guy Fabian posted this and his app is called Glyph, glyph.app. I haven't actually tried to use it to make one of these, but I thought that the demo was unbelievable. It's kind of like, you know, in any animation you have a start point and an end point and then usually you have to show... you have to create every step in between, like the 30 steps in between the key frames, right? Where it starts and where it's supposed to end. And with AI, you just show it the start and the end and it just automatically will animate it to make it look like A transformed into B. How cool was that? And by the way, he didn't even make that. He just used this off-the-shelf thing called Kling that does like video transitions and he's like, "Oh, what if I just plug video transitions into a slide deck? Will that work?" And then boom, it worked.
All right, so let me share my screen. Okay, so here I'm showing off stuff that I made with AI. So I've been... I was using Claude Code all week or Claude CoWork. I don't even know the difference to be honest. I think Claude Code is one thing and CoWork is an easier way to use Claude Code. Is that right?
Yeah. Claude Code is like you're going to create a program. CoWork is... it's like a junior worker that you could be like, "Hey, can you analyze this data? Hey, can you create this plan? Hey, can you make a presentation out of this?" You hand off work to a coworker.
All right. So, I made a thing. So, look, here's the problem. I read a ton of business biographies. You want to read a ton of business biographies. I don't know if you actually do, but you say you want... Someone in the comments on YouTube said Shaan's misoji this year is to finish a book. Which is pretty fun.
So, I like reading business biographies because it's a great way to learn about business, but it also makes me feel better about my life because like you see like the problems that other entrepreneurs had. So, you know, it makes you not feel alone. But when you read a four or 500-page biography, A, you lose track of the timeline, B, it's hard to know exactly what applies to you. And C, if you read a biography, let's say it's from the 1930s or 1940s, they'll talk about dollar signs or dollar numbers. And it's hard to take that and immediately apply it to modern day. John Rockefeller bought this thing for $50,000. I'm like, "Well, that's not a lot of money." He's like, "Oh, well that was actually $8 million." Okay, so now here's what it does. I can download and then upload one to five business biographies all in the same person because the way that I tend to read is let's say I want to learn about Ted Turner. I'll go and read literally three or four biographies on him to get like different context. And so I made this for my pre-reading because I'm kind of weird. I like to say I'm going to learn all about Ted Turner. I'm going to go read these three or four or five business biographies. So I made a website where I can upload three or four or five of them. Either PDF, EPUB, MOBI or text versions.
So just to slow that down. So do you go to Amazon, you buy the Kindle thing or you're going somewhere else to get the PDF or the EPUB or whatever?
I do read the hardcovers, but in order to make this work, the easiest part is to do some bootleg. So you do need to download them illegally, but I don't feel bad because I'm paying for the book anyway. So anyway, I upload it to a website and I've been able to basically make a business Wikipedia. So let me explain what I mean. So here's what the site looks like. So it's called Bio to Notion because the output is going to be a Notion page. So here's an example. I had this book about Ted Turner. I uploaded it and the output, which I'll show you in a second, it takes like five minutes. And so I'm just going to show you the final output is basically this. So check this out. So my output is a Ted Turner business empire timeline and financial history. And so the first part is it tells me three to five bullet points that I could read from his journey. Now here's my favorite part.
It gives me a financial summary. So Wikipedia is great, but it doesn't dive deep on the numbers. So it makes it challenging to actually like understand how...
Nosy enough. Yeah. I want to know about numbers. And so I create a financial summary of his whole entire life where as you can see I adjusted the money to 2025 era and it will go through like each major...
header. Age 24, he's worth about $10 million in today's money. He had a million-dollar company back then. By the time he's 31, he's now worth maybe $16 million net worth.
And then he crosses 100 when he's 37 years old.
Yes. And then what it does is it goes through each section just like Wikipedia does on someone's... the milestones of someone's life. But I have it...
Sam, I got to ask on that table. So it's taking raw info from the book because the book is not telling you at age 31 he was worth an estimated this many.
It's kind of like it takes the raw and then it basically does AI analysis to try to figure out like, okay, if it said his company was worth X and he probably owned, let's call it 75% at this point.
Yeah.
And then he would be worth this much money. Is that what it's doing? Did you tell it to do that?
I told it to do that. For example, Ted Turner, his father owned a billboard company. His father died when Ted was only 22 or 24 years old. And Ted inherited the business. But in order to inherit it, he actually had to raise money, debt, in order to buy back a bunch of the assets because long story, his dad was mentally ill and sold a bunch of parts of the company in bad deals. He had to raise money, Ted did, to buy back the business. So that's why it says he had a million-dollar company and it was just adjusted to $10 million. And then as Ted's story grows, he goes from billboard company to buying radio stations to buying TV stations to ultimately buying the Braves and then starting CNN in his 40s. And so this kind of paints the picture of his major transactions.
Very cool. Okay. Love it. Already I learned something which is like the thing he's known for, let's call it CNN, you know, didn't start till he was 40. I'm not even 40 yet. You know, it's like your best work could be ahead of you. One big takeaway right away.
It's crazy, right? And just like Wikipedia, because I love Wikipedia. I read Wikipedia like crazy. I love how they break it into a bio and they just give you like the stuff you need to know. So, for example, Ted Turner, his father committed suicide. So, Ted at the age of 24 inherited the billboard business which was saddled by debt with his father's recent purchase of all these other companies. And then notice I convert it to 2025 money. Then what I did was I had to add a section where it could apply it to me. So, I actually uploaded to Claude a ton of information about me and my business. And I actually deleted it because I didn't want to show it on here, but where it says Founders Playbook, it's a section where it can apply that portion of his life to my life so I can learn from certain tips. Because when you read a biography, sometimes you skip over the interesting learning because if it's a biography, it's often just facts, not what he did was really rare and you got to pay attention to this particular point. And so I did that with each section of his life. And then what I tried to do, like look, Founders Playbook, what you can learn. So when he created CNN, no competition in a category, create a new one. Survive the ridicule. So Ted was made fun of a whole bunch when he launched CNN. It was not easy for him. Here's what people mocked him for.
The Chicken Noodle Network. CNN.
Yeah, they made fun of him all the time.
I feel like Trump could use that now as a great diss.
It's a pretty good one. And then what I tried to do, and this was actually quite challenging, was at the end I tried to get a whole bunch of photos that were relevant to the era. So I could like make like this like...
Yeah. Digital timeline where I could like look at them. And this is actually a lot more challenging to figure out how to do, but it's been really effective. I've done this now with like three or four different people who I love learning and reading about. And it's made it so much easier because I used to do this in ChatGPT but I had to like prompt it in a certain way and it was always really challenging. So that's project number one.
And this is now like publishable. You could create your own like little Samopedia online, right, where you're studying great business... you know, the business biographies basically. It's pretty awesome, man, because I think when people read, I don't know about you, when I read a book, I always read the Wikipedia of the person or the summary of the book, which definitely gives it away, like the story, but it makes it so much easier to know what to look forward to. And if I know like that he's been divorced a bunch of times, I start reading about his first marriage and I'm like, I know this is going to end and I could see the cracks already. I can see why.
Yeah. Yeah, totally. It's very helpful to have the blueprint of what the overall scaffolding of the story is. So then when you're reading, you're putting things in buckets basically and you know what else is to come. Versus you go in blind and then it's sort of just like, did they hook me right away or you might bounce before you get to any of the good stuff, right? And what I love doing about David Senra has a podcast called Founders and he's really good where he's like, check this out. Check this part out in the biography. It talks about hiring and here's what he says and then David will say, you know, I've read all these biographies. I've noticed that's a trend amongst a lot of the people is they say things like that and that's challenging to... those insights are actually hard and so I put those insights into this project.
That's great. Okay, I really like...
That. You know, you could actually even make this even more powerful. So, right now you're doing the step where you're saying, 'I want to do Ted Turner and I got to go find the biographies. I got to go get the EPUB and then I got to go download it and then do this.' Like, you can actually just have an agent do that. You could tell an agent, hey, every week, every Monday, I want you to deliver this to me. So, think through who you think I might like, find the right biographies, go get the PDFs for them, put them into this tool, deliver this, and then I want you to send me an email or turn it into a podcast, read it out into a podcast that I'm subscribing to my own personal podcast. I did not know how to do that, but that's a great idea. And then the really cool part, I didn't want to show this here, but like you know my ChatGPT, which I use as like my business coach, has all this context on my strengths and weaknesses and the stuff I complain about. And the section where it says founders playbook, it's like crazy tailored towards what I'm experiencing on a day-to-day basis. And that was really magical.
One thing I like about biographies or about reading in general is I have this theory that like everybody today is like anxious and upset about things that like our ancestors would just laugh at, you know, like none of us grew up like, you know, in a war-torn, you know, state or, you know, in the Great Depression or anything like that. It's like you haven't faced real adversity, so you magnify small problems and make them bigger. And so my little quote on this is we don't need therapy, we need history. And if you actually were a student of history, you would need less therapy. And so I think it's cool what you're doing because in a way it's actually founder therapy for you.
There's this crazy story where Ted is in his 40s and at this point he's worth hundreds of millions of dollars because of a bunch of stuff that he's done. And he starts CNN and he invests almost all of his money into it and no one would watch it. And so he does just ridiculous stuff. For example, late night they allow one of their newscasters to be a dog and they interview the dog. And another time it's actually Ted being interviewed but he puts a bag over his head so you don't know who he is and he plays this like secret character. And what's interesting is like guys like you or me or some people who have some amount of success, you think I can't stoop that low or I can't like, you know, do this stuff. And then I read this stuff, I'm like, look what this guy did who's like this supposed to be already this successful prominent person. Like there was another time where he had stitches on his forehead because when he first bought the Braves, no one would go. And he did this seventh inning stretch game where it was who could push the ball to first base the fastest with their nose. And he was like, 'Screw it. I'll do it.'
