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Katie Martin
Markets Columnist, Financial Times

Aschenbrenner’s AI Fund Collapse Is Just The Beginning

📅 Aug 04, 2026 Prof G Markets 34 MIN 211371 VIEWS 45 SEGMENTS · 5 SPEAKERS
Ed Elson is joined by Michael Green to discuss the role that leverage played in the turmoil with Leopold Aschenbrenner’s fund, Situational Awareness, and how leveraged-ETFs are impacting the semiconductor industry. Then, Katie Martin returns to break down why the U.S. intervened to help Japan with the yen and whether the U.S. is actually in a position to prop up the currency. Finally, Ed gives his take on Trump’s decision to sell early access to his social media posts. Michael Green is the Chief Strategist and Portfolio Manager for Simplify Asset Management and author of the Yes I give a fig...

What Katie Martin said

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Katie Martin, markets columnist at the Financial Times, discussed the US-Japan joint currency intervention. She said the US intervention, the first bilateral one in nearly 30 years, signals Washington helps its friends but is also self-interested: Japan selling dollars means selling US Treasuries, and the US wants to avoid that given its elevated borrowing costs. Martin noted the US sold euros in the intervention, a first, using its euro and yen reserves. She argued Japan's yen problem would be best solved by big Japanese rate rises or lower US yields, but both would sap Treasury demand. She said the US Treasury market's troubles stem from Fed Chair Kevin Warsh's unclear communication. Martin said the US has financial firepower but is extremely reliant on foreign buyers, with Japan holding over $1 trillion in Treasuries. She suggested Prime Minister Takaichi is playing a good game by aligning with Trump, given the interlinked markets, geopolitics, and security.

Key takeaways

  1. The US-Japan intervention is the first bilateral currency intervention in nearly 30 years, signaling US support for friends but also self-interest in protecting Treasury demand.
  2. Japan's yen problem would be best solved by big Japanese rate rises or lower US yields, but both would sap demand for US Treasuries.
  3. Japan holds over $1 trillion in US Treasuries, making it the biggest buyer, and the US is extremely sensitive to any reduction in that demand.
  4. Prime Minister Takaichi is arguably playing a good game by aligning with Trump, given the interlinked markets, geopolitics, and security.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
30 years Time since last bilateral US currency intervention timeline 17:39
$1 trillion Japan's official US Treasury holdings metric 31:30

Chapters

  1. 0:00US-Japan currency intervention rationale
  2. 20:49Why intervention may not end yen weakness
  3. 23:24US selling euros in intervention
  4. 25:15US financial firepower and political alignment
  5. 27:19Japan's Treasury holdings and Takaichi's strategy

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 17:19I just got to start with your reactions to Trump's explanation as to why we have intervened here. Why have we done this?
  2. 20:20Why wouldn't this repeat over and over again?
  3. 23:24One of the strange things about this, Katie, is that actually the US is selling euros in this transaction, this intervention. Why is that happening?
  4. 24:37I mean, what is your view on whether this is appropriate and to what extent we actually are in a position to be sending money over to nations when they're in a rut with their currency?
  5. 26:31You know, she said that this guy's great, which for me raises the question — like, is it unreasonable to assume that we are bailing Japan out, at least partly because the leader is saying nice things about our president?
Michael Green 0:00 ↗
But when you start running strategies that are running that much leverage against this much volatility for the individual securities, unfortunately, a blowup becomes inevitable. And it really looks like what happened within Leo's portfolio is that he created conditions under which a small decline in prices would force him to sell to reduce his leverage, which in turn caused prices to fall further, which caused him to be forced to sell to reduce leverage further. And ultimately that cascaded into an event that sent both his longs and his shorts against him. Once you become that large, the street actually identifies you as a target. You effectively become a wounded shark in a feeding frenzy.
Ed Elson 0:44 ↗
Welcome to Profit Markets. I'm Ed Elson. It is August 4th. Let's check in on yesterday's market vitals. The major indices climbed after President Trump called off an attack and Iran indicated that negotiations are making progress. The Dow closed at a record high and Amazon reached a $3 trillion valuation for the first time. Meanwhile, Brent crude fell, the yield on 10-year treasuries declined, and finally the Japanese yen climbed after the US joined Tokyo to support it. More on that later. Okay, what else is happening?
For months, investors have been asking how the AI boom might end. And last week, they got a glimpse. 24-year-old Leopold Ashenbrunner's fund, Situational Awareness, sent a letter to investors on July 24th, reporting a 439% net return for the first half of the year. In a postscript, Ashenbrunner wrote that it was, quote, 'a particularly good time to add funds.' But just six days later, the fund had lost roughly $35 billion in assets, plunging from a peak of $45 billion to around $10 billion. And Ashenbrunner was forced to unwind his entire public stock portfolio in a fire sale that ended up going to Ken Griffin's Citadel. Investors are reading this story as a warning sign for the increasingly debt-fueled AI boom. Situational Awareness reportedly used as much as 400% leverage to amplify its bets on AI infrastructure that helped the firm return more than 1,000% since inception. But when those bets went south, the same leverage accelerated the losses and forced the fund into liquidation. We wanted to talk to someone who manages a fund and who has spent years thinking about leverage and market structure. So we're going to discuss this with Michael Green, chief strategist and portfolio manager for Simplify Asset Management and author of the 'Yes, I Give a Fig' Substack. Michael, thank you so much for joining us. Let's just start with your initial reactions to the implosion of Situational Awareness. How did this happen? What can we learn from it?
Michael Green 2:59 ↗
Well, you know, the quick answer is that when you look at somebody who is engaged in the behaviors that Leo has, there's really no mechanism for him to have learned not to do this. And so he had a very strong thesis. He expressed it with the extraordinary use of leverage. His initial exposure was largely to non-public entities and he had grown his business under that framework, which has a component of much lower volatility framing to it because non-public entities don't reprice themselves in the same manner. But when you start running strategies that are running that much leverage against this much volatility for the individual securities, unfortunately, a blowup becomes inevitable. And it really looks like what happened within Leo's portfolio is that he created conditions under which a small decline in prices would force him to sell to reduce his leverage, which in turn caused prices to fall further, which caused him to be forced to sell to reduce leverage further. And ultimately that cascaded into an event that sent both his longs and his shorts against him. In particular, he very much had the thesis that traditional software companies would be heavily disintermediated by the growth of AI, and in particular the software sector. That obviously contributed to the underperformance of that sector for a period. His selling actually contributed to the underperformance of that sector. And as he began to be forced to unwind his portfolio, that forced prices to move in the opposite direction of his underlying positioning and created conditions for the rapid collapse of the fund and the need to delever it in as quickly a time as he did.
Nobody in their right mind should give a 25-year-old $20 billion at 4x leverage, but you actually can't blame the 24-year-old, right? The reality is he had a very strong view. He had a very strong conviction on his view and everything in his experience base up to that point had told him that this was the right strategy to pursue. Once you become that large, the street actually identifies you as a target. You effectively become a wounded shark and a feeding frenzy emerges.
Ed Elson 5:07 ↗
You recently wrote a piece about how, I mean, many of the stocks that he was invested in — the semi stocks like Nebius, SanDisk, Micron, etc. — how a lot of the activity and the volatility that we're seeing in that market has been the result of the rise of leveraged ETFs. Could you talk more about how that is impacting the semiconductor sector right now and why it matters to investors?
Michael Green 5:34 ↗
Well, so a levered ETF carries the same characteristics as Leo's portfolio, which is obviously running at 4x leverage. And the difference between the two is that a levered ETF, because it has a prospectus that requires it to maintain that levered exposure, has to rebalance every day. And this is where volatility creates a phenomenon called volatility drag. If you imagine a series in which I make 10% today and lose 10% tomorrow, many people would assume that the answer to that is I now have a zero return. But the reality is I start with $1, I now have $1.10, and I lose 10%, I have $0.99 — I've lost a penny. If I add four times leverage to that, you actually end up with a 2 to the 4th power impact on that volatility drag. Instead of investing $1, I've now invested $1 of equity and $3 of borrowing. I'm up 10%. Therefore, I suddenly have $440, meaning my equity has risen because I only owe $300 — my equity has risen to $140. That is a 40% gain on a 10% change in the underlying, exactly as you would anticipate. But if you do the exact same math for what happens now if I fall 10% — the compounding effect of that leverage and the need to rebalance it creates the conditions that cause these sorts of catastrophic losses. If you then add the additional layers you do with the ETFs, that they need to rebalance every single day, it's not like they went from $140 equity with $300 of borrowing, they actually have to lever up that 140 by 4x. So 4 times 140 is going to be, you know, 660, right? So that actually means you were at $440 in terms of your exposure the day before. Now I have to increase my position sizes by nearly 50% to maintain the leverage that I've promised my investors.
That means that it creates what's called endogenous flow. It actually forces buying even without new investors adding money into the system and contributes to the sort of run-up that we have seen, unless investors harvest those gains. So the piece that I wrote about it is called 'A Semi Theory of Everything,' in explaining how this phenomenon plays out when you have large series of complexes that have historically run on this. Most professional investors would run them the way I described as a volatility harvesting strategy, taking advantage of the fact that that compounding creates a loss. You actually short both sides of the trade and harvest the volatility loss associated with the volatility drag. It creates a very stable return profile as long as your volatility characteristics are maintained. Unfortunately, in the excitement of the post-March recovery in markets — early April to be more precise — we actually saw retail investors step into these types of products because they were seeking out a Leopold-like experience. They were actually buying these 3x levered ETFs or 2x levered single-stock ETFs and then holding rather than harvesting their positions. We actually saw a behavior that suggested people were trying to dollar-cost average into these strategies. If you run through the math on this, it is just a terrible way to invest. At 3x leverage, running the level of volatility we were experiencing in the semiconductor space as of April, May, you would need a return in excess of 170% a year in order to simply break even on the volatility harvesting.
Ed Elson 9:17 ↗
Wow.
Michael Green 9:17 ↗
To dollar-cost average into something that has a 170% breakeven is absolutely absurd. But again, a byproduct of the lack of education and, candidly, the tools that we have put out into the marketplace with an objective to attract people to shiny objects as compared to thoughtful investment vehicles.
Ed Elson 9:37 ↗
It seems like South Korea is the perfect example of how this all goes wrong. I mean, we saw what happened last week. We saw the KOSPI, the South Korean stock market, crashing 44% from its June highs. We saw literally more than a million people in South Korea receiving margin calls, hundreds of thousands seeing their accounts liquidated to zero. And we also saw a lot of protest from South Korea after this event. And a lot of people are saying, 'Let's abolish these levered ETFs. Let's get rid of them. How could you let this happen to us? How could you allow us to become addicted to this stuff?' Is that the answer? What do we do about these levered ETFs if they are such a dangerous investment strategy?
Michael Green 10:27 ↗
Well, again, it depends on how you use them, right? So a hammer is a very dangerous tool if used improperly. It is a very productive tool if used properly as volatility harvesting regimes and volatility harvesting tools. These can be used by professional investors to effectively short a realized volatility framework and create conditions under which profits can be generated by providing effectively the financing for those vehicles. South Korea has already banned the levered ETFs. They've now been forced to close their market multiple times over the past several weeks, literally doubling the number of times it had been closed in a three-week period over its entire history since roughly 1990. They've recognized that these products create almost no social utility. In the United States, we are still trapped by market fundamentalism. And we see that in everything from Kevin Warsh's recent testimony at the Fed to the general view on regulatory frameworks within the United States: just let the market decide. There's a very rude reason we don't do that. There's a reason we now have labeling on drugs that tell us what the addictive contents of them are. We now have labeling on food that tells us what the ingredient list is. And the reason why is because we used to have the same general view.
Ed Elson 11:46 ↗
'Buyer beware,' right? You need to be responsible for yourself.
Michael Green 11:51 ↗
Well, that's extremely difficult for an illiterate immigrant to figure out if the sausage that they are eating is filled with potato flour or if it is filled with meat. We recognize that. We took steps to address it. And in many ways, I think we often go too far in this. We do need to recognize that there is a role for experimentation and the utility of tools, as I was describing. We could ban hammers because somebody hurt somebody with a hammer. That would be a mistake, I think, under most economic framings. But in this case, we have created effectively a gambling environment in which people are increasingly nihilistic in their interpretation of prices. Effectively assuming, in many ways, that governments are stepping in to support these prices or simply print money to create wealth to paper over the many problems that we see in our society. You and I have discussed some of those. That's simply untrue. I just would emphasize for the younger audience: never substitute conspiracy when incompetence will suffice. We have regulators who have largely abandoned their role. And as a result, we are left with a series of products that are being created that I would describe as half-boiled spaghetti being thrown at the wall in an attempt to see what sticks and attracts investor dollars.
Ed Elson 13:04 ↗
Just looking at what's happening in the US now, assets under management in US leveraged ETFs have reached a record $218 billion, up 60% since the end of March. I mean, it continues to explode. All the things that went wrong in South Korea, they're becoming more and more popular in the United States. Are we headed for a South Korea-like implosion in the United States?
Michael Green 13:29 ↗
Well, unfortunately, as you know, this is one of the key concerns and it's tied to my work around market structure, the growth of passive and price-insensitive strategies. And in this case, we're referring to leverage vehicles that actually do not consider whether what they're buying with leverage is a good thing or a bad thing. They're simply fulfilling an investment mandate, what I call a systematic portfolio rebalancing. Those create conditions under which these types of feedback loops can play out. And I would highlight to South Korea that actually much of the problem was not generated in South Korea. We imposed these conditions in South Korea through the introduction of an unlevered memory-centric ETF, DRAM, in the United States, which exploded in size to almost as large as Leopold Ashenbrunner's portfolio and was sending roughly half of its dollars in Korean won-hedged terms. So they were selling the currency, buying the stock in Korea. It brings to mind the 1971 experience from US Treasury Under Secretary John Connally saying to the emerging markets, 'It's our currency, but your problem.' This was our ETF and their problem. And I think, unfortunately, you're going to see the regulatory environment begin to recognize that and it very well may be forced to change.
Ed Elson 14:48 ↗
Michael Green is chief strategist and portfolio manager for Simplify Asset Management. He's also the author of the 'Yes, I Give a Fig' Substack. Michael, we always appreciate it. Thank you so much.
Michael Green 15:00 ↗
My pleasure.
Ed Elson 15:02 ↗
We'll be right back. And if you're enjoying the show, be sure to subscribe to the Profit Markets YouTube channel at the link below.
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  title        = {Aschenbrenner’s AI Fund Collapse Is Just The Beginning},
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