He is the host of Machine Gods podcast and author of the AGI Chronicles, Kevin Roose. He's a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of America's Cultural Revolution, Christopher Rufo, and she's a co-host of The Five on Fox News and her book is called I Disagree, Jessica Tarlov.
All right, these are the questions from the people. What does the panel think of Trump banning CNN, Politico, and MSNBC from the White House because he says they are fake news? He just did that.
I thought he did that like an hour before we came on.
I thought he did it like 10 years ago.
He's been trying to slow burn.
I thought he threw the people out of the press.
It was the AP at first because they wouldn't call it Gulf of America. I forget.
And the Pentagon didn't, aren't they?
Oh, they're all gone. Yeah, they got they were able to pull that one off.
This feels like a Truth Social move versus like what will actually happen. And there'll be a solidarity stand with the the outlets are still allowed in.
Everything in this country is always just like everything is terrible unless our side does it and then it's always perfectly okay. I mean like the free speech thing. I mean come on, that has to make you laugh a little.
This is a mistake in the same way it was a mistake for Robert Kraft to ban Mac Jones. You're giving your opponents an easy win. They can say we stand for free speech, good journalism. We're being, you know, kicked out of the White House. I think it's a mistake strategically, but it's also a mistake on the substance. The president's best moments are oftentimes in combat with people from the left-wing media. And so, as conservatives, we don't have the benefit of having the mainstream media on our side. We have to be smart in how we do combat with the left-wing media if we want to have our message break through. And so, hunkering down, remaining in the echo chamber, it's a mistake on all fronts.
Can I just... So, we agree.
Yeah. But I just want to add to that, you guys aren't the media victims. You actually have more share of eyeballs than the left does. So Fox has many more millions of viewers on a per hour basis than CNN or MSNBC combined. The biggest podcasts are conservatives.
I mean, that's one way to measure it. But there's also who has more clout. Clout is what matters. The cool kids are all...
to get into a party maybe. But...
well, not just the party, but the cool kids are all on the left. That means a lot. That matters a lot.
Not cool. Network television. I'm very cool. I'm very cool. But network television, of course. You know, most of Hollywood and to Bill's point, it's about prestige. And so, look, the fact of the matter, the New York Times is more powerful than Fox News.
That's how it is. I wish it weren't that way, but that's the world we live in.
Okay, Kevin, what is the relationship between effective altruism and AI companies? Now, there's another one of those terms. I didn't hear it just this week. I've been hearing it for a while. Effective altruism. I mean, it sounds like something you could not possibly disagree with. If there really was such a thing as effective altruism, to me that, oh, that's perfect. That's exactly what we want. Altruism, but effective. But I don't think that's exactly what it is, is it?
Well, effective altruism is a movement that started more than a decade ago. And when it started, it was mostly about things like malaria nets in the global south, pandemic prevention. It was this group of young people that I sort of call them like Moneyball for morality. They sort of said, well, if we just analyze which charities are saving the most lives, we can give all our money there and we'll do the most good, right?
And they got really interested in AI and AI safety very early relative to most people. They were writing and talking about it many years ago. And so as a result they sort of trained this generation of AI workers who now if you go to the big AI companies, you know, some percentage of them are effective altruists or at least identified with them. And you know there are people on the right who think this is all a grand conspiracy. It's a, you know, it's a cult. It's a religion. They do, I've been to some effective altruism things there. There are some strange things about them. They're very concerned about shrimp welfare. This is a cause that they care a lot about. But they've also been very invested in...
Shrimp. The thing, the food...
The food. Yes. Because they have calculated that shrimp suffer in the greatest numbers when you eat them because you're eating so many of them. You know, you're only eating...
I mean anyway, I mean I'm a... Yeah. I mean I want all animals not to suffer. But...
Animals got to eat. I mean, you know...
But they have been very correct directionally about AI for a long time that it would continue to get better and more dangerous. So, I wouldn't throw them completely under the bus.
Okay. Panel, do you believe Gavin Newsom when he says he would not run in 2028 if... Oh, yes. I saw that this week. That...
Yes. He was fly fishing with Jake Tapper in like what looked like regular...
