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Anand Giridharadas
Author and Journalist; Publisher, The Ink, The Ink

Homelessness Isn’t a Money Problem — With Anand Giridharadas

📅 Oct 08, 2026 The Prof G Pod – Scott Galloway 46 MIN 25614 VIEWS 48 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
Anand Giridharadas, journalist and author of Man in the Mirror, joins Scott Galloway to discuss what Jordan Neely’s death reveals about homelessness, public safety, and America’s crisis of belonging. He explains why cities struggle to help their most vulnerable residents, the difficult questions around involuntary mental health treatment, and how community can help people rebuild their lives. Plus, what the reactions to Daniel Penny and Luigi Mangione reveal about Americans’ growing sense of abandonment—and the line between protecting others and taking justice into your own hands. Timestamp...

What Anand Giridharadas said

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Anand Giridharadas discusses his book 'Man in the Mirror' about the Jordan Neely and Daniel Penny case. He argues that homelessness in New York is not a money problem, noting the state constitutional right to shelter and that 95% of the 100,000 homeless are in the system, with only 5,000 on the street who often refuse help. He contrasts this with West Coast cities where 70% are on the street. Giridharadas highlights the moral confusion around bodily autonomy for the mentally ill and the revolving door of apparatuses that maintain homelessness. He draws parallels between Daniel Penny and Luigi Mangione, seeing both as responses to a feeling of abandonment. He critiques the dehumanization in Penny's actions, citing the prosecutor's argument and video evidence. He also praises Fountain House as a model for belonging-based mental health care, which New York adopted with $30 million in funding.

Key takeaways

  1. New York has a legal right to shelter, but 5,000 homeless refuse it, often multiple times, due to distrust of the system.
  2. Girardharadas sees a common feeling of abandonment behind both Daniel Penny's and Luigi Mangione's actions, despite different political narratives.
  3. Fountain House's clubhouse model, adopted by New York with $30 million, shows belonging is crucial for mental health.
  4. Daniel Penny's dehumanization of Jordan Neely, shown in videos, was central to the prosecutor's case.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
5,000 homeless people on the street in New York metric 11:14
100,000 homeless people in New York City metric 11:14
95% of New York City homeless are in the system metric 11:14
70% of homeless on the street in West Coast cities metric 11:14
$30 million funding for clubhouse model in New York commitment 24:56
15 years maximum sentence for manslaughter charge other 39:08

Chapters

  1. 0:00Opening: Feeling of Abandonment
  2. 0:58TV Show Anecdotes and Career
  3. 6:16Book Introduction: The Penny-Neely Case
  4. 10:15Homelessness in New York vs West Coast
  5. 19:00Supreme Court and Rights to Sleep
  6. 23:08Belonging and Isolation as Root Causes
  7. 24:56Fountain House and Mental Health Model
  8. 33:14Parallels with Brian Thompson Killing
  9. 37:48Trial Verdict and Dehumanization
  10. 45:32Closing: Reflections on Belonging

Questions asked in this interview

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  1. 1:25Oh, were we both on Vice?
  2. 3:56So, you haven't done any TV since then?
  3. 6:16Can you do us a favor?
  4. 10:15As you did research around this, specifically Jordan Neely, what are your observations or takeaways?
  5. 19:00And in my view, I am very sympathetic to the notion that if you can say whatever you want, shouldn't you be able to live wherever you want?
  6. 23:08No, it's that you have an advocate, that you have someone who is irrationally passionate about your well-being saying, "Where are the meds?
  7. 37:48And I think he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison, but again, who knows?
Anand Giridharadas 0:00 ↗
They together reflect what I think has become a very widespread feeling in this country: we are abandoned. The cavalry isn't coming. The system isn't coming to save us. No one hears us. And sometimes people have to step up and do whatever they got to do. That feeling then fractures into a left version, a right version, of this version, of that version. And we kind of lose the thread. But it's interesting information that actually so many Americans feel that feeling. And one of the tragedies of this time we've lived in is that that common feeling keeps getting broken into pieces and failing to produce a common politics.
Scott Galloway 0:41 ↗
We are joined with the inimitable Anand Giridharadas, journalist, bestselling author, and publisher of the newsletter The Ink. Anand's great latest book, "Man in the Mirror: Hope, Struggle, and Belonging in an American City," comes out September 29th. Anand, thanks for joining us.
Anand Giridharadas 0:58 ↗
Thank you so much for having me. I'm glad you're on Substack.
Scott Galloway 1:01 ↗
Yeah, what a thrill. You're kind of the original or an original gangster here. And just to wax poetic a bit, Anand and I are fellow alumni of the hit.
Anand Giridharadas 1:15 ↗
Alumni is an interesting word for... Yeah, as in it's over.
Scott Galloway 1:19 ↗
We both had shows on CNN Plus. So, before we get into your book...
Anand Giridharadas 1:23 ↗
Wasn't it Vice?
Scott Galloway 1:25 ↗
Oh, were we both on Vice? I've had so many failed TV shows. You're right. It was Vice.
Anand Giridharadas 1:31 ↗
Oh, it was Vice. I don't know that alumni is the right word for trauma bonding.
Scott Galloway 1:36 ↗
Okay. But your show, to be honest, your show was boring, but fine. My show was awful. Awful. I looked like an old man having an epileptic seizure. I don't know about you, but I had to film it from my garage. It was COVID.
Anand Giridharadas 1:53 ↗
Yeah.
Scott Galloway 1:53 ↗
And they put all these MTV-like graphics on it to make it feel younger. I watched it with my partner. This is a true story, and then I want to hear your experience. I watched the first episode with my partner. At the end of the show, she started crying and looked at me and said, "What does this mean for our family?" Wow. And I'm like, "Oh my god, I've made my partner..." My show was so bad.
Anand Giridharadas 2:22 ↗
Your show, it was also not great. I had AOC as my first guest, so that gave it a lift. I had you as a guest, which gave it a lift. But here...
Scott Galloway 2:32 ↗
You had Governor Newsom, right?
Anand Giridharadas 2:34 ↗
I did not have Governor Newsom, I don't think.
Scott Galloway 2:35 ↗
Oh, I thought you had Governor Newsom.
Anand Giridharadas 2:37 ↗
Here's what happened with my show. Probably the same with yours. It was kind of developed and set up like winter of 2019, turn of 2020, all set, contracts, ready to go. Let's start filming in March, February, March, whatever. And COVID strikes, and I've never had a TV show before. Spoiler alert, I've never had one since. And COVID hits and I was like, well, I guess we're not doing a TV show. They're like, no, no, no. We can just make it in this new reality, whatever it may be. And so my daughter had a very severe lung condition. She was like two years old. So I had to go to this remote location because of her. And so then I didn't have proper internet, which was kind of important for making a TV show. So I was filming things on iPads and cameras, you know, and then I had to hire someone to pick up USB drives with the filmed video. Like it was like drug deals of data. And then they would come to my house and pick up the USB drive like from the driveway because we didn't want to have contact with each other and then drive it up to their house and upload it on some faster Wi-Fi that they had. I mean, it was so surreal. So much energy to make something that wasn't good.
Scott Galloway 3:56 ↗
Oh god. Yeah. I was literally a TV show, me in my garage alone, and they had a producer in my ear saying, "Oh, do this or next episode this." My tech producer drew in the cloud because, you know, we couldn't have, we had social distance. So, it was me trying to make 30 minutes of TV in my garage with like lights and a camera and it was so bad. And the guy, forget his name, the production executive, nice guy, called me after the six episodes. I'm like, I just got to get through this. Called me after the six episodes and like, I got great news. They want to renew it. And I'm like, no [__] way. I am so out of here. And I remember him, my agent called me, the production called me, he called me back three times. The guy running Vice at the time reached out to me who I like, Shane Smith. And they were just so flummoxed that anyone would pass up an opportunity to be on TV. And the lesson for me was people must cling to TV like a dictator clings to power. That they were just, they could not believe I was going to pass up the opportunity to be on TV. So, you haven't done any TV since then?
Anand Giridharadas 5:10 ↗
No, not my own thing. I go talk about things I've written on MSNBC.
Scott Galloway 5:17 ↗
You're on MSNBC a lot. Yeah, I see you there all the time.
Anand Giridharadas 5:20 ↗
But I, and particularly Morning Joe is sort of my home court there. But I have always tried to maintain the discipline of going there to talk about things I have written and not going there to talk about, you know, like things that might be in my head.

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@misc{giridharadas2026_3017017,
  author       = {Anand Giridharadas},
  title        = {Homelessness Isn’t a Money Problem — With Anand Giridharadas},
  howpublished = {Interview transcript, The Prof G Pod – Scott Galloway. CEOInterviews.AI},
  year         = {2026},
  month        = {oct},
  url          = {https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3017017/},
  note         = {Speaker-attributed transcript with timestamps}
}