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Marc Lipschultz
Co-Chief Executive Officer, Blue Owl Capital Inc.

Blue Owl’s Lipschultz Talks Private Markets, Interest Rates

📅 Dec 11, 2024 Bloomberg Television 9 MIN 1694 VIEWS 15 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
Blue Owl Capital co-CEO Marc Lipschultz sees private markets as a “critical part of the future” and discusses increased competition and higher-for-longer interest rates. He speaks with Sonali Basak from a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. conference. 00:00 – Marc Lipschultz on Blue Owl’s future plans, alternative credit business 03:53 – Lipschultz sees private markets as a critical part of the future 05:56 – Blue Owl’s Lipschultz on banks vs. non-banks 07:33 – Expectations for higher-for-longer rates -------- More on Bloomberg Television and Markets Like this video? Subscribe and turn on notifi...

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  1. 0:00... is it really going to be tried and true vanilla private credit that's driving the growth from Blue Owl, or is it going to be something else, given that you've made so many acquisitions in spaces outside of traditional direct lending?
  2. 2:01So what do these growth rates look like in these businesses outside of direct lending?
  3. 3:39So I'm big on your actions speak louder than words, and I have a ton of respect for BlackRock, so what do I take from it?
  4. 4:39Is there a point at which the space is too crowded?
  5. 5:40Now, what does that mean in terms of the M&A comeback that investors are expecting and the role that you and your rivals have in it?
  6. 7:13Do you think that inflation could be stickier than a lot of people are counting for right now?
  7. 8:27But if you had to call how many rate cuts, I never ask you this, but if you think rates are higher for longer, how many times do you think the Fed can cut through the end of next year?
Interviewer 0:00 ↗
I'm standing by with Marc Lipschultz, who, of course, is the co-CEO of Blue Owl. Focus is heavily on private markets. But of course, you're a publicly traded firm and have seen significant appreciation this year in the markets. When you think about the path forward, is it really going to be tried and true vanilla private credit that's driving the growth from Blue Owl, or is it going to be something else, given that you've made so many acquisitions in spaces outside of traditional direct lending?
Marc Lipschultz 0:27 ↗
So for Blue Owl, and always a treat to be here with you, for Blue Owl, I think three words I would focus on there is scaling, there is innovation, and there's diversification. And those three together, I think, are the kind of words I'd keep in mind when I think about the future of Blue Owl. Take direct lending. It is a fantastic business. We are one of the market leaders. We've been able to deliver outstanding results for our investors, our LPs, which ultimately is the customer base, and as a result, that's going to continue to be a great business. But that's about incumbents and leading with scale, and we're fortunately one of those people. That's a great business for us. But when you look forward, backward, that was a great place ten years ago. We identified that opportunity.
Ten years ago, we identified private wealth as a channel that's become a huge opportunity. People almost looked at us cross-eyed when we started that ten years ago. So thankfully we've established great positions there, and that's about continuing to scale. Diversification, as you said, we've added products organically and inorganically by acquisition. And then innovation to me is really the tag where it matters most, which is it's about going where the markets are going next. Private credit. It's not that the story has been told, but we know what the story is. What's new and next and important for our shareholders and our investors is the alternative credit business. That is to say, asset-backed credit. It's data centers in the digital economy, digital infrastructure. That's where we're going next. That's where the innovation is really going to come from, and the next leg of really, I think, very attractive growth.
Interviewer 2:01 ↗
You know, now that you are integrating these acquisitions, what are the numbers to support that growth? I know that you and I have talked about asset-backed finance, for example, and that by definition the growth rate would be faster. So what do these growth rates look like in these businesses outside of direct lending?
Marc Lipschultz 2:18 ↗
So I'll use this by kind of template or example. Think about the real estate business. We acquired Oak Street, market leader in triple net lease. Here's a business where already we have, since acquisition, our latest fund doubled in scale from the prior one that's already largely committed. We'll be back in market next year with the next vintage of that product. Oak Street has tripled as a part of, well, just in the last few years, and very importantly, through a tumultuous time in the broader world, real estate has delivered outstanding results and is perfectly positioned for again, let's talk forward-looking, onshore. Digital infrastructure again in sort of the form we've done today with people like Oracle, where we've been able to build data centers out of complexes and own the buildings, the physical buildings, like we have done as market leader in Oak Street. That's a perfect template for where we're going with things like the acquisition of Triloma. We've got a fully integrated, we have a great integrated operation between now our asset-backed credit and our direct lending credit. And what that means is we can originate, share ideas, share opportunities and do in now direct lending and asset-backed credit what we did over the last ten years in direct lending, which is we believe become one of the market leaders in that case and probably have a $7 trillion addressable market.
Interviewer 3:39 ↗
When you think about the private credit world right now, there's a new player in town in a much bigger way now with BlackRock's acquisition of HPS. What does that mean to you? HPS has been around, but BlackRock now also is a new competitor. So I'm big on your actions speak louder than words, and I have a ton of respect for BlackRock, so what do I take from it?
Marc Lipschultz 3:59 ↗
BlackRock has likewise, I think, come to a knowledgeable, enthusiastic grasp of the fact that private markets are a critical part of the future, is where the growth is going to be. And again, I always get back to the why. The why is because the private market solutions for the end investor, they work. It doesn't mean every solution by every manager at every moment, but it means the right solution is done by the right managers, deliver great risk return to the investor. And so I think BlackRock is by its actions as the biggest in the world saying, hey, listen, the public market, great, always be part of an important capital market ecosystem, but the private markets writ large are the future.
Interviewer 4:39 ↗
Is there a point at which the space is too crowded?

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Lipschultz, M. (2024, December 11). Blue Owl’s Lipschultz Talks Private Markets, Interest Rates [Interview transcript]. Bloomberg Television. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3023158/

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  howpublished = {Interview transcript, Bloomberg Television. CEOInterviews.AI},
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  month        = {dec},
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