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Jim Chanos
Founder & Managing Partner, Chanos & Company

Tesla Short Seller Jim Chanos Reveals New Short Positions

📅 Jun 05, 2025 Forbes 9 MIN 93753 VIEWS 27 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
Jim Chanos, the greatest short seller of all time, sits down for a conversation with Forbes executive editor Matt Schifrin at the 2025 Forbes Iconoclast Summit. Subscribe to FORBES: https://www.youtube.com/user/Forbes?s... Fuel your success with Forbes. Gain unlimited access to premium journalism, including breaking news, groundbreaking in-depth reported stories, daily digests and more. Plus, members get a front-row seat at members-only events with leading thinkers and doers, access to premium video that can help you get ahead, an ad-light experience, early access to select products includin...

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  1. 3:58So what's the — is the bull case that somehow the tariffs will hurt new car sales and everyone will turn?
  2. 4:40Do you see a catalyst on the horizon?
Matt Miller 0:03 ↗
Jim, welcome.
Jim Chanos 0:04 ↗
Glad to be back.
Matt Miller 0:06 ↗
Great to have the most successful short seller on the planet here.
Jim Chanos 0:10 ↗
It's a very low bar.
Matt Miller 0:11 ↗
Anyway, it's been a great day for you, given what's going on with Tesla. I know you're short Tesla.
Jim Chanos 0:18 ↗
Yeah, as I posted earlier, you know, to quote my favorite Simpsons character, Comic Book Guy: most predictable breakup ever.
Matt Miller 0:28 ↗
Awesome. Okay, so this week you issued a new short pick, and we want to hear all about it. Tell us what you're shorting now.
Jim Chanos 0:38 ↗
Yeah. So we still have advisory clients. We're not in the fund business anymore, but we do have some institutional clients. So we put out something earlier in the week on an old name of ours. So most of the people in this crowd, I suspect, would be very excited to find the next hundred-bagger. So what we did was look for something that was already up 100 times and revisit it. So that company is Carvana, which has gone up 100x since its lows in late '22. And we think that it's still a misunderstood story. The Street believes it's an epic turnaround, and we've been pointing out that, in fact, the company is still losing money, ex-gain on sale of loans. It's selling subprime loans to both affiliates and non-affiliates and booking big gains on that, representing 122% in the latest quarter of their income.
And so it's a business that is, I think, misunderstood by the Street. People are fascinated with the gross profit margins. The company excludes lots of things from its gross profit calculation that other auto dealers include, and so it makes the gross profit figure look great. And then people basically assume they'll leverage that figure. In fact, there's a lot of numbers in there that are scaling just as fast as the gross profit. But what really caught our eye and made it, I think, timely is a couple of positioning aspects, which these days on the short side are really important. Number one, the short interest is back down to multiyear lows. From being one of the most heavily shorted stocks in the market in 2023, it's now back below and back toward its pre-COVID levels of short interest, as a percent of shares outstanding below 10%.
But perhaps even more ominous is that the insiders have begun to sell in an absolute torrent of stock. And it's not just the Garcias — the chairman and his son, the CEO — but it's pretty much the C-suite are getting out seemingly as fast as they can. So again, I don't know what they see in terms of the near term. And the final thing I would point out to the audience is that although it's priced as a growth stock at absolutely stunning price-earnings ratios and multiples to cash flow, the business is cyclical. Their used car revenues, their core business, dropped over 30% year over year from mid-2022 to mid-2023 when there was a slight slowdown in the economy. So this is really a company kind of at the end of the whip for retail consumers and trading at valuations that are just eye-popping.
Matt Miller 3:58 ↗
So what's the — is the bull case that somehow the tariffs will hurt new car sales and everyone will turn?
Jim Chanos 4:04 ↗
Yeah. So the tariffs — the tariffs will hurt new car sales. Carvana is still taking market share. Valuation doesn't matter. It's trading — I should point out — it's trading at 4 to 5x the valuations of its peers, including Credit Acceptance, which we think is actually arguably the best comp, which is another subprime auto credit issuer. Because as I pointed out earlier, Carvana is making all its money in finance, not selling the cars.
Matt Miller 4:36 ↗
So it's basically a subprime lender.
Jim Chanos 4:38 ↗
It's a subprime lender. Yep.

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Chanos, J. (2025, June 5). Tesla Short Seller Jim Chanos Reveals New Short Positions [Interview transcript]. Forbes. CEOInterviews.AI. https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3030647/

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Jim Chanos. "Tesla Short Seller Jim Chanos Reveals New Short Positions." Forbes, 5 Jun. 2025. Transcript, CEOInterviews.AI, https://ceointerviews.ai/interview/3030647/.

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