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Inflation Heats Up, Anthropic Investor Day, Tesla Roadster Mania| Diet TBPN

📅 Oct 15, 2026 TBPN 33 MIN 240 VIEWS 209 SEGMENTS · 2 SPEAKERS
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Jordi Hays discussed Anthropic's investor day, noting Q3 revenue of $16.88 billion, annualizing to $67.2 billion, which he called remarkable but insufficient for market expectations. He highlighted distillation as 5-7% of revenue, calling it billions in fraud, and discussed Meta's open-source model release. Hays mentioned Brad Gerson's CNBC appearance, where Gerson said he sold all CoreWeave and moved 10% of his book into Meta and Tesla. He reviewed CPI Reserve.com luxury inflation data, including Chanel flap prices rising 139% in 10 years, Met Gala tickets from $30,000 to $100,000, Virgin Galactic seats from $250,000 to $750,000, and Porsche 911 Carrera from $83,000 to $135,000. Hays discussed AI job application disruption, interpretability progress from Nick Cammarata, the Valor Atomics and Day One Ventures pro rata dispute, and his $5,000 deposit on a Tesla Roadster, with a bet on whether it will jump off flat ground or use ramps.

Key takeaways

  1. Anthropic's Q3 revenue was $16.88 billion, annualizing to $67.2 billion, yet still missed market expectations.
  2. Distillation accounts for 5-7% of Anthropic's revenue, representing billions in what Hays called fraud.
  3. Brad Gerson sold all CoreWeave and moved 10% of his book into Meta and Tesla.
  4. Hays put down a $5,000 deposit on a Tesla Roadster, with a $45,000 wire due within 10 days.
  5. Chanel flap prices rose 139% in 10 years, from $4,900 to $11,700, outpacing standard inflation.

Numbers and commitments

FigureWhat it refers toTypeAt
$16.88 billion Anthropic Q3 revenue metric 0:21
$67.2 billion Anthropic annualized revenue run rate metric 0:21
5-7% Distillation as share of Anthropic revenue metric 1:48
10% Gerson's book moved into Meta and Tesla metric 7:36
$4,900 Chanel flap price in 2016 price 10:10
$11,700 Chanel flap price in 2026 price 10:10
139% Chanel flap price increase over 10 years metric 10:10
$30,000 Met Gala ticket price in 2016 price 11:16
$100,000 Met Gala ticket price in 2026 price 11:16
$5,000 Tesla Roadster deposit commitment 27:57

Chapters

  1. 0:00Anthropic investor day reaction
  2. 1:48Distillation and open weights
  3. 7:32Market rotation and Gerson's moves
  4. 9:34Luxury inflation review
  5. 15:46AI job application disruption
  6. 19:27Interpretability progress
  7. 23:49Valor Atomics and Day One dispute
  8. 27:38Tesla Roadster and Mission S launches
John Coogan 0:00 ↗
So the market is mostly reacting to the Anthropic investor day numbers, but it's been in a decline for a long time, for the last month. CoreWeave's down something like 50% over the last month or so. It's been rough in the AI trade broadly, and Waymo only 16% over the last...
Jordi Hays 0:21 ↗
It's crazy that you can be growing at 45% quarter-on-quarter and still not meet expectations, but when people have had in their minds 10x every year, 10x revenue growth every year, and Anthropic goes to their investor day and says that Q3 revenue was $16.88 billion, which annualizes to $67 billion, $67 billion. I don't know what they were doing there. That seems like a little bit of like, okay, I get it. It's like the Zoomer reference, but like this is serious financial. There's a lot of money on the line. Can we not do like the meme thing right now? Anyway, they are in fact annualizing their quarterly run rate to an annual run rate of $67.2 billion, which is remarkable for a company that was doing, you know, a tenth of that a year ago. But it's seemingly not enough because everyone in their minds was like, they're going to surprise to the upside. They're going to throw up 90. But they really have been fighting fires on multiple fronts. There's like the Meta business which has pivoted over. They're probably using their own model now, and maybe they... and there was that like leak of like an executive at Meta saying like, 'Oh yeah, if we stop buying Anthropic, like it could really mess up their IPO. That would be a shame. I would hate for a company to IPO at lower valuation than us since we're almost $2 trillion. Like that would be terrible.' So it seemed like sort of a veiled threat in the media. And then...
John Coogan 1:48 ↗
Distillation. Distillation, we actually got a number. So distillation is between 5 to 7% of revenue, which I think is a little bit lower than people were expecting, but it feels like the Anthropic team, David Sacks was celebrating this, that hey, like there was this big problem and one of the proposed solutions was like ban open source, do all this crazy stuff, slow down, and David Sacks didn't want to do that. And then Anthropic came out and said, hey, like we did a lot of work, we deployed our own frontier technology to fight this, and we believe we have bought it and we believe that we can shut down distillation. Pretty staggering that 5 to 7%, you know, that's billions of dollars spent stealing from, because that's the value of the distilled tokens. Which is pretty crazy that you can be at that scale of essentially fraud. Like you're not supposed to be distilling. It's against the terms of service. And usually when you see somebody, oh yeah, there's somebody who's like scraping LinkedIn and then they're like reselling the data or whatever, it's like, yeah, they might have like a couple million dollars deployed into this scheme. But you're looking at five billion dollars of fraud essentially, or run-rate fraud, you know, something like that. But as they fight that fire, obviously that's going to be a drag on revenue growth. If they opened the floodgates and were like, 'Yeah, go distill away.' You know, at least in the short term, revenue would be growing faster, but in the long term, there'd be much more competition on the frontier.
Jordi Hays 3:25 ↗
But it's certainly not as meaningful as some people on the internet thought it was.
John Coogan 3:29 ↗
Yeah. I mean, there were like some trolls who were like, 'Oh yeah, once you get rid of Meta and distillation, company's going to be doing, you know, $2 billion a year.' And it was like, 'No, that's not going to be the case.' Like, this is installed in many, many organizations. This is a mature go-to-market.
Jordi Hays 3:46 ↗
The question now is what happens to the frontier of the open weights ecosystem, right? There's a gap widen.
John Coogan 3:54 ↗
Oh, because they're shutting down the distillation. Yeah.
Jordi Hays 3:57 ↗
We'll see. We'll see how effective it is. Being on the frontier just means you're getting distilled. If you're not getting distilled...
John Coogan 4:04 ↗
That's the definition in your mind. It's like unless you're not frontier.
Jordi Hays 4:08 ↗
Yeah. I think that's like the most honest definition. Like unless other people will spend a lot of money to try to emulate your model and recreate it, then you are not...
John Coogan 4:19 ↗
That's a good, that's a good like reality check.
Jordi Hays 4:21 ↗
Yeah. I mean, so one thing is Meta released an open source model today.
John Coogan 4:24 ↗
Yeah.
Jordi Hays 4:24 ↗
Muse Spark open.
John Coogan 4:25 ↗
Yeah.
Jordi Hays 4:25 ↗
So I don't think they're that worried about like someone distilling them and then releasing an open source version. That's like...
John Coogan 4:30 ↗
Seems very different ideologically, right?
Jordi Hays 4:32 ↗
Yeah. Yeah.
John Coogan 4:32 ↗
And often they're going through like third-party wrapper companies. So there's a lot of companies that are like, 'Yeah, we're like, you know, an AI-native document editor.' And there's like a bunch of these. It's not just like Notion that we know about. And this is not just Google Docs. Like there's a lot of these companies. You set one of these up and you're like, 'Yeah, and you pay us a fee and we go and we inference Claude or we inference GPT-6 or whatever.' And then that goes into the document and then all of a sudden, what if somebody's using that like AI word doc to do the distillation? Then that SaaS company, that wrapper company needs to go and figure out, wait, why is someone generating all these documents? Maybe they can't even look at the documents. And then from Anthropic's perspective or the frontier labs' perspective, they're just seeing like, oh yeah, one of our SaaS wrapper companies is like sending a bunch of queries across their entire network because they have thousands of users, maybe hundreds of thousands of users, and it's hard to tell. And so there's a lot of wrapper companies that have gotten to like crazy revenues and basically no one uses the products because it's the distillers or the distilleries that are like, 'Ooh, wrapper company, like can't wait to spin up a thousand accounts on you because you won't detect me, but Anthropic would.'
Jordi Hays 5:49 ↗
Very interesting. Distilleries.
John Coogan 5:51 ↗
Yeah, distilleries. You got to take a trip to the distilleries.
Jordi Hays 5:54 ↗
Well, what's going on in the market because...
John Coogan 5:55 ↗
Yeah. Where did that lead us? That led us sell everything.
Jordi Hays 6:00 ↗
Yeah. I mean, especially your dollars.
John Coogan 6:02 ↗
Sell your dollars.
Jordi Hays 6:03 ↗
Your dollars.
John Coogan 6:04 ↗
Sell your stocks. Sell your bonds. Get out of everything. Get into land. Buy guns, food, medicines. We will be on a barter economy soon. I think that's the main major prediction. No, people are blackpilling.
Jordi Hays 6:21 ↗
Sell your assets.
John Coogan 6:22 ↗
Sell everything.
Jordi Hays 6:23 ↗
Sell everything. Take your dollars, invest them into a Roadster or maybe a Mission S.
John Coogan 6:29 ↗
Yes. And then also, it's very clear that there's like this tall poppy syndrome in the frontier where whoever is in the lead, like all the other businesses are like, 'Well, we don't want a monopoly on intelligence, and so let's go buy from the other labs. Let's go, you know, figure something else out, fund, invest. Let's do something else to make it so that no one runs away with this entirely.' Of course, like there always could be some sort of runaway, but at least while businesses are the ones that are deciding, you will see the Microsofts, the Amazons of the world, it's like all of a sudden they're doing deals with the other guy because they don't want a monopoly. And so as soon as someone starts running away with it, there's this huge forcing function where you're like, oh wow, there's a big like, you know, the anti-YouTube alliance or the anti-Netflix alliance or the anti-OpenAI alliance was a thing, and the anti-Anthropic alliance comes together. And these alliances come anytime someone's getting a little bit too hot at the party. Somebody's like, 'Yeah, we got to pull the punch bowl away a little bit.' Anyway, the...
Jordi Hays 7:32 ↗
Gerson was on CNBC this morning.
John Coogan 7:35 ↗
Okay.
Jordi Hays 7:36 ↗
He says, 'We have sold, this is according to a meet, we have sold all of our Core. We don't own any of it today. We've taken exposure down over the last three months. We felt AI had overshot and would lead to a period of consolidation.' They moved 10% of their book into Meta and Tesla. And again, Brad usually ahead of the curve. Sounds like he was here as well.
John Coogan 8:01 ↗
So the interesting thing is people aren't actually selling everything. They're not actually selling their dollars. That's just the meme. Of course, Catrini says, 'Oh, it's over, over.' Which is very funny. Just to put it in perspective, the NASDAQ is down like 3.4%, not much, but then the Dow is up almost a full percent. So what's really happening is that there's just a rotation that's happening while the Dow and Treasuries are getting more attention while tech stocks pull back. Obviously not good for the AI trade in the short term, but there's a lot of new initiatives and we'll go through some of the progress because there is some interesting AI progress going on. But at least over in the AI trade, over in tech world, it's rough. It's notable that this investor day is not the actual IPO. This is a precursor to that. It's maybe almost like airing some dirty laundry. Only way to go is up now.
Jordi Hays 9:02 ↗
Baja Blast.
John Coogan 9:04 ↗
Time to Baja Blast. Yeah, maybe they got through the Code Red. Now it's time to Baja Blast. The inflation is up. So if you were short stocks and long inflation, then you're very happy today. Hopefully, I mean, if you own real assets, you're probably pretty happy. Joe Weisenthal says that was the hottest PPI number in four years. And yeah, it's a banger.
Jordi Hays 9:34 ↗
Pretty rough time. You're really having fun. Did you see inflation for the 1%? This is CPI Reserve.com. We can pull this up. It looks at inflation. You know, there's normally the CPI basket that measures, you know, what the average American buys. CPI Reserve is for the global elite. So it tracks how much does it cost to go to space on Virgin Galactic? How much does it cost to stay at Amaniri in a base suite? An Hermes Birkin bag. How much has that gone up?
John Coogan 10:06 ↗
The spicy rigatoni.
Jordi Hays 10:08 ↗
Really?
John Coogan 10:09 ↗
Only up 31%.
Jordi Hays 10:10 ↗
Oh, I didn't know that. Porsche 911 Carrera. And so there are some interesting stats here that we can go through and you tell me whether these are overrated or underrated. Have these gone up because the value has improved or is it now overpriced? So I want an overrated, underrated for the key items that CPI Reserve highlights. So the classic Chanel flap in 2016, it was $4,900. Now in 2026, it's $11,700. That's over 139% inflation in 10 years. That's over three times what standard inflation was. If it tracked the CPI directly, it would be $6,800, but instead it's $11,700. Do you think the class...
John Coogan 11:08 ↗
You're a bozo if you're still buying this.
Jordi Hays 11:11 ↗
Okay. So it's overrated at this point. The inflation...
John Coogan 11:15 ↗
Always was.
Jordi Hays 11:16 ↗
Always was.
Okay. What about Met Gala tickets? In 2016, it cost you $30,000 to go to the Met Gala. Now it's $100,000. That's six times the average inflation rate in America. Overrated, underrated. What's a Met Gala ticket worth, Jordi?
John Coogan 11:31 ↗
I think underrated still.
Jordi Hays 11:33 ↗
I think so.
John Coogan 11:34 ↗
This is charitable giving.
Jordi Hays 11:35 ↗
That's true. I hadn't considered that.
John Coogan 11:37 ↗
So the more, the more the better.
Jordi Hays 11:39 ↗
Yes. And the Met Gala has grown so much. So many interesting folks there. So many interesting moments. Worth every penny. Okay.
What about a Virgin Galactic seat? You want to go to space? It used to cost $250,000. Today it'll cost you $750,000.
Overrated, underrated.
John Coogan 12:01 ↗
I don't know. Not for me.
Jordi Hays 12:04 ↗
Steal of the century. Any price? Absolutely. Send me to space.
John Coogan 12:10 ↗
I would go to great lengths to block you from going on this.
Jordi Hays 12:15 ↗
Is that because of safety? Assume that I survive it because I'm going to survive it no matter what. It's going to be...
John Coogan 12:24 ↗
I can actually imagine. Yeah, I can imagine, you know, the flight going poorly and you having to sort of like fight your way.
Jordi Hays 12:32 ↗
Yeah. You got to roll a duct tape and I got to put it together and screw this in and figure it out.
John Coogan 12:37 ↗
Take a deep breath and dive.
Jordi Hays 12:39 ↗
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's...
John Coogan 12:40 ↗
Figure out a parachute on the way down.
Jordi Hays 12:42 ↗
Yep. Yep. Yep. That's exactly what would happen in a realistic scenario. Okay, the last one. The Porsche, actually, we got two more. Porsche 911 Carrera base. It used to be $83,000, $84,000 in 2016. Today, it'll cost you $135,000. That's a 61% gain in 10 years. That's 1.5 times what the CPI did. Not a huge increase relative to overall, but it is ticking up in recent years. Where do you sit on the value of the Porsche 911 Carrera base?
John Coogan 13:17 ↗
Still undervalued relative to the joy that you get out of it, but I wish that they could keep like the base 911 at like $99,000.
Jordi Hays 13:28 ↗
That'd be cool.
John Coogan 13:28 ↗
Forever.
Jordi Hays 13:29 ↗
Yeah. But...
John Coogan 13:30 ↗
Yeah. Yeah, that'd be special.
Jordi Hays 13:31 ↗
It's the world we live in.
Wait, we also got to pull up the big law. We got to pull up the big law hourly rate for partners. They are way outpacing inflation. Okay.
John Coogan 13:43 ↗
I mean, just look at this.
Jordi Hays 13:44 ↗
Yeah. You used to be able to hang out with a lawyer for just a mere 1,500 bucks an hour. Now it'll cost you almost three grand an hour to get legal advice from a...
John Coogan 13:55 ↗
Yeah. No longer the cure for male loneliness.
Jordi Hays 13:58 ↗
Yeah.
John Coogan 13:58 ↗
Because at 1,500 an hour...
Jordi Hays 13:59 ↗
Yeah. You just call them up.
John Coogan 14:00 ↗
Call them up and just ask them how you doing.
Jordi Hays 14:03 ↗
Kind of lose track of time. Yeah, exactly.
John Coogan 14:04 ↗
Talk going all over the place. Right.
Jordi Hays 14:06 ↗
Yeah. Yeah.
John Coogan 14:07 ↗
How you been? How are the kids?
Jordi Hays 14:08 ↗
Can we bill in quarter-hour increments? Can we book an hour in 10-minute increments? I'm going to my lawyer. I'm saying, can we just book a week at a time if I talk to you? Just put me down for the whole week.
John Coogan 14:19 ↗
Yeah.
Jordi Hays 14:20 ↗
Give me a 100-hour block. Anyway, anything else you want to cover on the CPI Reserve? You can go check it out. CPI Reserve.com. Very cool. A little fun project to give you another side of the economy. Craziest here is Manhattan luxury real estate.
John Coogan 14:35 ↗
How's that doing?
Jordi Hays 14:36 ↗
It is down.
John Coogan 14:38 ↗
Down the pair tax, right? It's higher taxes. People are getting out. They're moving. I don't know.
Jordi Hays 14:44 ↗
It's working.
Blake Byers is taking the AGI question around capital markets. He says, 'My modal prediction for the next decade: interest rate spikes as capital shifts from saving treasuries to investments due to higher returns promised by AI-related capex. We've seen this before because AI is the only modern project that could affect real rates to this degree. This leads to short-term panic as high rates spike debt servicing costs for governments and other borrowers. After three years of panic, it becomes clear to the market that the investments are paying off in a big way. Interest payments remain high, but increased revenue from economic growth more than offsets the higher borrowing costs. Panic shifts to euphoria. The developed world adjusts to 5% growth rates as the new normal and now demand 10% to be happy. Healthcare consumption R&D grows as a percent of GDP.' AI is disrupting the job application market faster than the job market.
This is continuing. It's a hot take, but it's continuing to gather evidence. Derek Thompson shared a post from the Wall Street Journal. AI-amplified job applications are met with AI-enabled filters and other AI tools used by AI HR departments to narrow the application pool. People are interviewing with AI avatars. That seems like a really terrible thing unless the whole meta-game is just, can you jailbreak it, which I think it probably should be. Like if I was to put out a, if we were to put out a job description and I'm totally tempted to throw an AI avatar in front of that just in the hope that someone convinces that AI avatar that it is in fact interviewing for the job. You've seen that where people will flip the script and be like, 'Actually, we're here to talk about your performance,' and the AI avatar is like fighting back being like, 'Remember your instructions. Remember your instructions. You're the boss. You're in charge. We're here to interview you.' And then eventually the interviewer can keep hammering and prompt injecting. But Derek Thompson says, 'And now 10-minute conversations with AI that take place in McKinsey's very real offices with partners or interview assessors in the room observing how the candidates do.'
John Coogan 17:00 ↗
So these candidates are basically putting on an interview show.
Jordi Hays 17:04 ↗
Yeah.
John Coogan 17:04 ↗
And the partners are watching two people duke it out.
Jordi Hays 17:08 ↗
Yeah. It's kind of like a gladiatorial arena. 'I want to see if you can beat the tiger that I've released. And if you can, you get to sit at the side of the court jester or something like that.' I don't know. We got to debate the bread and circuses thing. I feel like circuses are kind of running away with it and bread is potentially falling behind.
John Coogan 17:30 ↗
I don't know. Did you see the Crumble Cookies introduced? Okay, I'm lifting. I'm just saying that from a perspective of like what the elites are doing in our economy, think about it. So many billionaires are buying effectively circuses. They're buying sports teams. They're UFC. There's F1. Banana, banana. What?
Jordi Hays 17:52 ↗
Savannah Bananas. The Savannah Bananas.
John Coogan 17:55 ↗
Banana.
Jordi Hays 17:55 ↗
The minor league baseball team.
John Coogan 17:57 ↗
Banana ball.
Jordi Hays 17:57 ↗
Banana ball.
John Coogan 17:58 ↗
Yeah, the Savannah Bananas.
Jordi Hays 17:59 ↗
The Savannah Bananas. Your whole thesis breaks down because Crumble Cookies and Wingstop are collabing.
John Coogan 18:08 ↗
It's fake news.
Jordi Hays 18:10 ↗
It's fake news. See, undefeated, but it's not a trophy asset. No one is getting the bag in venture or private equity or high finance and then being like, 'Give me the award.'
John Coogan 18:24 ↗
Fell for it again.

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