Spacetime Is The Memory Of A Self Knowing Universe | Federico Faggin

The body is classical information. The mind is quantum information. And the spirit is meaning. The meaning of quantum information. Every one of us has to find out who he is by an experience of who he is. Not by reading a book and repeating what — that's what AI does.

Yeah. Yeah. Once you decide that you're going to find out, the world will present you the next step to do.

And all of a sudden, out of the chest, just, you know, just energy was coming out of my chest. But it was love, and it was love that was never felt before. It was love that was coming from me.

Quantum physics is actually pointing to the mind of the universe. In fact, a good way to think of this is the color wheel. You know the color wheel, okay? Red, green, and blue, right? So if red is the body, green is the mind, and blue is the spirit, they have overlap regions. Each field is observer, observed, and agent. So there has to be an overlap between spirit and body. Woo! What is there?

The permanent memory of the experience of the self-knowing of one, space, time, and matter.

Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

It's a pleasure. I mean, I'm here for going deeper.

We are not the body. We exist in a reality deeper than the space-time, matter, energy that scientism believes to be all there is. And that here is the real collision of beliefs that needs to be resolved. So we are not the body. We are beings that exist in a deeper reality where consciousness, free will exist. We control the body. The body is an instrument that we use to have an experience in this reality, which is by and large made up. It is made up by the information that hits our senses, transformed by our body and perceived by the conscious field that we are. We are a field. We are not a finished, bounded entity.

Well, first of all, we are here to have an experience in order to know ourselves. But when I say to know ourselves, I don't mean to know ourselves as a body. If we believe to be the body, that's the first delusion, is to believe that we are the body. So then if we think we are the body, well then we start with the wrong foot. So we have to understand that we are a field. This field wants to experience aspects of itself. No, understand aspects of itself that in this reality will actually be accentuated by the fact that the body will be almost organized in such a way that it will manifest those aspects that the self that we are, the larger, vaster self that we are, wishes to understand. And so we, in a sense, are representative in this reality of the vaster self that we are. And the portion of us that believe to be the body is the ego, and the ego believing to be the body, you know, behaves like the body, and the body is conditioned to manifest what the vaster self wants to understand of itself.

Of course it is part of the — the 'sai' is the name that I use for a quantum field that has also consciousness and free will. I have to use a different name because the quantum field does not have any consciousness or any free will according to scientism or, so, generally science today. So we have to use a different name. Yeah. And the fact that it is conscious and has free will, 'sai' is the proper name.

Yeah. Yeah. One — the totality of what exists knows itself through our own knowing ourselves, which requires communicating with each other because we are parts-whole of one. In other words, we are parts that contain the whole. The reality is holographic, in other words, and holographic means that the whole is contained in the part. I notice often that the cells of our body are built the same way. Each cell has the genome of the egg that created the entire organism. So each cell has the blueprints of the entire organism. So look at that — even the body, which is a perishable thing, perishable construction, has the same holographic properties and organization.

Yeah. Well, you know, scientism is materialist and reductionist. So scientism starts with the idea that there are separate aspects, separate parts — you know, atoms, molecules, particles, they're separate. And so they're trying to understand the universe combining aspects, particles, atoms, and molecules, as if you could express and understand the whole using parts that are separated when their nature is not to be separated. This is what quantum physics — the quantum field theory — have shown: that the foundational aspect of reality are the quantum fields of particles. So already quantum physics is saying everything is interconnected, and the interconnection comes from what is called quantum entanglement. The entanglement is that the aspects of the — you know, the states of the fields when they interact, they create properties in common that connects them independent of the distance. And therefore you have properties here that says that non-locality is the way the universe is built, where the whole idea of science up until, you know, the understanding that there is entanglement was that there is locality. In other words, properties and actions can only occur if you have interactions which are at the vicinity of where the — you know, or where the species are, or where the atoms or molecules or particles are. But in this case there is what appears to be action at a distance, instantaneous action at a distance, which is incomprehensible with the way in which we understand, you know, the world. And now has been proven — the last experiment that proved, you know, without any doubt that this must be so was done in 2014. So here we have — we are, you know, we have in front of us a reality that says everything is interconnected. There are no parts, no separable parts. You cannot start with separable parts, then you have to start with the whole, and if you start from the whole you have to explain then why the parts come out of the whole. This is a complete reversal from the way science — science in the beginning now becomes scientism, a belief system, you know, a dogma that says that the world has to be built this other way. No, in fact probably a hundred top physicists today want to start from the whole and derive the parts because they have understood that trying to go the other way gives, you know, leaves you empty-handed. Yeah. In fact, you know, string theory, which tried to explain reality from the parts, which are strings that vibrate, did not succeed. And you know, it took about 80 years of hard work. At one point 90% of the, you know, the physicists, the theoretical physicists, were working on string theory. They didn't get anywhere. So that's telling you that no, we have to start with the whole. Wow, that's difficult because the whole, not being able to be separated into parts, brings into question even the nature of mathematics, because the nature of mathematics — mathematics starts with parts, the sets, the sets that define that, you know, this element is either in the set or outside the set, you have to find true and false. But if everything is interconnected, what is true and what is false? You see, you know, there may be areas where there are both true and false. For example, look at the color. Let's take the color red and the color orange. Do you — is there a boundary between the two? Can you define a boundary that says from this side of the boundary is red, the other side of the boundary is orange? Is that possible? No. There is a region where you can say is both orange and red, or is neither orange or red. This is reality. This is the deeper reality is made that way. It is in our face. The colors, which are qualia, are that type of reality.

How can you get consciousness from matter that doesn't have any consciousness? Ah, how can something — how can more come from less? You have to start there because you cannot explain how matter can know itself. You know, if it is matter, it shouldn't be conscious, and it is defined as non-conscious. So how can you get consciousness out of something that doesn't have it? Even worse, free will. How can you get free will from a world that is supposed to be deterministic? You know, objects in space and time are deterministic. And in quantum physics, quantum physics does not describe the motion of objects in space and time. The state of a field has nothing to do with — it doesn't describe reality. It describes all the possibilities that you could possibly measure of something, but with their probabilities. So it only can tell you what is possible to know about reality. That's not — what is possible to know about reality is not reality, because reality is what actually is shareable, right? Is, you know, we can all see the same thing. No, quantum physics — in fact, quantum physics is actually pointing to the mind of the universe, to a quantum computer of the universe that makes predictions about what might happen. But what will happen is based on free will decisions on the fields which are the components of this reality.

That's right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Einstein, because he believed in determinism, couldn't make that leap. And saying — and say, no, no, you know, the fact that quantum physics only gives us probability of all the — of whatever might happen, but it doesn't tell you what will happen. And so — and there is a known — there is a postulate that is essentially that says that from the probability to what the actuality — many probabilities to one actuality, what actually manifests in space and time. Nobody knows how that process works.

It's called collapse of the wave function. Yeah. Okay. And nobody has an explanation for that. We know that it is random and it is non-algorithmic. So all of a sudden, what can be random and non-algorithmic? A free will decision. A — or the field that you observe, not of the observer. See, in the past there was this theory that the observer may collapse the wave function. Yeah, this is not what this theory is saying. What I'm talking about is the field that you observe, but in fact the field that interacts and plays the role of an observer, because each field is observer, observed, and agent — all three, every field plays all these three roles. Because there are only fields that interact with each other.

Yeah. So let's start with a principle. Okay. We have to start with the whole, with one. We cannot start with the parts. The parts are emanation of one. Now there are parts because we experience parts. Even quantum theory says there are quantum fields, and those are considered separate, though they interact with each other, and when they interact they entangle, so they're not really separate because that entanglement remains independent of space and time. So — so yeah, so even that is not right. Okay. But this preconceived idea that we had to start with parts and that everything is material is always — is always, you know, weighing heavily on us as we try to figure out what's going on. So we had to get rid of that for a second. So let's think that one, which is defined as the totality of what exists, has three properties: is dynamic, holistic, and wants to know itself. Dynamic and holistic is what quantum physics is already saying — the — you know, all that exists is never the same instant after instant, keeps on changing, changes all the time, and everybody agrees with that. And is holistic, everything is interconnected, is not made of separable parts. This is what entanglement has shown: the world is like this. I have added 'and wants to know itself'. Why am I doing that? Because the evidence is that consciousness and free will, which are the aspects of wanting and the aspect of knowing itself — because for one to know itself it must be conscious, it must experience itself, and in that experience know itself — must be fundamental, because they cannot be explained with something that doesn't have those properties. Matter without consciousness and without free will cannot create consciousness and free will, period. Lots of people have tried to figure it out. Myself tried to figure out how to make a robot that was conscious. I couldn't do it. There is no way that you can transform electrical signals, biochemical signals, any kind of signal, any kind of information into conscious — you know, consciousness and free will. There is no way. So you got to start there. So if you start there, now all of a sudden — and by the way, if you start there, when you say one — one also has — since one wants to know itself, where does it come — the self-knowing, where is the self-knowing of one coming from? It cannot come from nothing. Well, it's coming from a potentiality, a potentiality, some possibilities. That potentiality is actually the best fit for explaining the quantum vacuum, because in physics, quantum physics, there is the quantum vacuum, which is what is left when you take all the fields out of reality, and there is a quantum vacuum that has an inner energy with a density which is astronomical, is incredible how much energy there is in what's supposed to be vacuum. Crazy. And this vacuum is kind of boiling up and is creating forms, you know, but they are not forms, they are kind of chaotic things, they appear, disappear, and you know, and they call, you know, foam. But you know, this stuff is what is there before there is anything, before there is form, there is this quantum vacuum. So that's the potential of one.

Yeah. At least in the narrative. Okay. Because there may — but you know, the question is, what is time? We had to figure out what is time. Okay. So let's not — let's not go too far. Let's start from, you know, from the first time that one knows itself. What happens? It brings — one brings into existence what it knows. So knowing and existing are two faces of the same coin. So now knowing — we now understand what knowing is. Knowing is an experience. That's me. One says, that's me. It knows itself. It brings into — at the same time that it knows itself, it brings it into existence. Okay. And it must be a part-whole of itself. Why? It's not made of parts. One is not made of parts. It cannot see itself just a little bit. It's got to see itself completely in the direction in which it looks at itself. What is direction? The direction is the identity of what it brings into existence. That's the identity of the sai. It brings into existence a sai. A part of itself that now, being a part, must want to know itself. That part wants to know itself just like one wants to know itself. And it can create other parts out of itself. Just exactly like a cell that duplicates. That's exactly what I was wanting to say.

I had that image of one, and I was wanting to say to you, that's the true Big Bang. That moment of self.

Well, it contains the totality of itself, but within that direction which has known itself. Yeah, exactly. That perspective on itself — perspective like a snapshot of itself. Next time, next time around, it sees itself in another perspective. It brings into existence another part-whole of itself.

That's how part-wholes are created. They are just like cells. They're cells out of a — you know, of the egg being one is the egg that creates another cell, another part. Just like life, man. Same way.

That's crazy stuff, to think that life comes from nothing.

Of course.

But it explains, for example, why life has to occur, because, you know, and it starts from the concept of self-knowing, knowing which is foundational. Even science is about knowing, for Christ's sake. It's not about something else. It's about knowing. And then we have very — so then the knower, the that which knows. So that's that part-whole that, say, that now can also know — start knowing, right? Of course she knows itself — that sai knows itself with that identity, with that point of view. It's like a — you know, it's like a — you know, the sai becomes conditioned to observe reality with that same point of view with which one knew itself when he created this.

Yeah. Anything that a sai knows for the first time brings into existence the same way that one brought into existence. You know, the sai when he knew itself that way. Same way. In other words, any new knowing is a creation, is not a combination of stuff, is a new creation.

Yeah. But that is — you see, the crucial thing is that knowing is about meaning. It's not about symbols. So far I haven't even mentioned symbols. The symbols are what are needed for the — for the satis to communicate with each other. Why? Because what they feel, their own experience and their own knowing, cannot be duplicated. Exactly. The property of quantum fields: the state, the quantum state of a field cannot be reproduced. Now you see the connection of what I'm talking about with quantum physics explaining why it has to be that way. Because the self-knowing — that's a property of consciousness. It's not a property of information. The information of a computer can be copied as many times as you want. But the love that I feel for my son, I cannot even give it to him. I'm the only one to know that love. How do I know it? By feeling it, by experiencing it, by qualia. But qualia are the bringers of meaning. What I really care about that feeling is what does it mean? And the meaning — so the meaning of information, or quantum information in this case, is the essence of the spiritual aspects of reality, of who we are. So there is body, mind, and spirit. The body is classical information. The mind is quantum information. And the spirit is meaning, the meaning of quantum information.

That's a step forward.

But the way to understand is, you know, every sai, and of course one itself, when it creates, when it knows itself, it knows itself in these three ways. So body, mind, and spirit cannot be separated. Remember, just like the colors — in fact, a good way to think of this is the color wheel. You know the color wheel. Okay, red, green, and blue. Right? So if red is the body, green is the mind, and blue is the spirit, they have overlap regions. There is no single distinct boundary between red and green. There is an overlap. What is that overlap? What does it represent? That represents what I've called live information — quantum and classical information. The information that describes life, biological life, which is not classical information. You need that kind of new type of information. It is the overlap between body and mind. What is it? The overlap between mind and spirit — that's qualia. Qualia, the quantum state, the quantum states that become experience in the consciousness of the entity, which is this aspect, the spiritual aspect that has consciousness, free will, and identity. It's in the spirit. It's not in the mind. It's not in the body. Ooh, what is the overlap between — and this is the new thing, because normally we think of spirit, mind, and body in linear fashion. Yeah. No, in this way it's a circle. So there has to be an overlap between spirit and body. What is there?

The permanent memory of the experience of the self-knowing of one, space, time, and matter. Permanent matter, because the memory must be permanent. Remember that I said that in the previous conversation that we had, that the quantum state keeps on changing. So you need to put — if you need to remember the quantum state, you need to put that whatever happens, you know, your experience in the quantum state must be put into symbols, into permanent symbols, so that you can recall your experience. You need memory because the experience only lasts in a very short period of time in the present, and in the present you must put into memory what you experience. And so there is no past. What you experience becomes permanent memory. So there is no past — you experience in the present. In the present you got to put in memory your experience. So you put into — you transform what you think of time into matter, permanent matter, which is what gives you the memory of what you just experienced. Also in that same present, you want to predict what might happen in the future. Right? That's what the mind does. That's what the quantum computer, which is mind, does for you. It can make you — it can give you probabilities of what might happen in the future. But what might happen in the future is exactly what you need to decide to express, or the satis need to decide to express. So all of a sudden — and that happens also in the present. So in the present you have the memory of the past experience and the prediction of the future, and also in the present you make the decision of what to manifest. What you manifest then becomes the new body.

Because it has to be — it has to be in the — it has to be in the, you know, sharable. That's like the display of the system. The display, which is where we all exist, you know, where all physical things exist in a sort of a display of reality, which is the body. But there is also behind that body there is a computer, and the computer is a quantum computer, which is what I call mind. And it goes beyond that, and that's what most people don't — some people got that you need body and mind, but they didn't get the spirit, the meaning of the experience. So what do you put into — you cannot copy the state of the field, or you know, you cannot do that, but you can put into symbol the meaning of that experience. The meaning of the state that you experience, the qualia that you experience, that you can put into symbols.

Yeah. It manifests in this sharable — this is sharable reality. Think of, you know, space, time, and matter, you know, and matter-energy as the classical display of a quantum computer. And a memory display it gives us all states. It's a memory. But then the interpretation of the bits that exist in that display is in our consciousness. It's in consciousness. It's not in space and time.

No, that is in some — but it is in some kind of space-time matter, but it's not the kind of space-time matter that we normally think about. Yeah. For example, right now the only hypothesis that I have for the matter that will represent permanent memory of the experience will be dark matter, because dark matter doesn't interact with real matter or energy. They — it's just something we just discovered — 50 years ago we discovered that we have to have dark matter, which is a lot more percentage-wise than the matter that we knew. Yeah. Okay. So dark matter could be a candidate for structures that are permanent and represent the memory of the experience of the satis and the experience of one. Also, the expansion of the universe has to occur if there is a continuing self-knowing of one that keeps on growing. You need — that knowledge needs to be stored somewhere. You need more space and space-time.

What we call space-time. Yeah. But this is all, you know, this is highly speculative at this point. But it gives you a sense of the way I'm thinking.

But, Hans, it's hard conditioned. It's hard to follow quantum physics. Quantum physics — these same physicists that know the equation say, well, I don't understand what they mean. I mean, it's actually crazy if you think about it. Now, if you start from this posture that I said earlier, you can explain why quantum physics must have those properties that nobody has understood. Come on. I mean, this actually explains — now there is a postulate that explains what nobody has ever been able to understand. And that's, to me, that's a big step forward. Absolutely. You know, now the quantum fields are conscious, and therefore you can interpret now the collapse of the wave function as a free will decision of that quantum field. It's the one that decides where to show the electron in the double-slit experiment. It's the field that interacts with the field of the instrument. But that interaction is the field that decides, I'm going to show the electron over here for whatever reason it does. It's its own will, free will. You see, I think — why you explain what, you know, otherwise everything is just randomness. Yeah, we explain life as randomness. How can you explain life with randomness? The same way that we explain, you know, consciousness with something that doesn't have consciousness. Same way we pull it off, you know, out of a hat.

I would not have been able to. Yeah. No, because you know, you have to experience yourself as a part-whole, otherwise how can you say that there are part-wholes? You know, it's such a different kind of explanation. Then after you have experienced yourself as a part-whole, then you can understand that our cells are also part-wholes of the organism. But I never read in any book of biology that our cells are part-wholes of the organism. I can say it because I understand that I am a part of one, and therefore — and also that nature has a — is a fractality, you know, the same structure is repeated at a different scale. I mean, a cell of our body is just like a field of one. Now there may be many, many steps in between, but at least there are, you know, we have the smallest one that we know and the largest one, which is us being part-whole of one. Yeah.

But look, I mean, you know, you can find out by yourself, not by taking drugs. I don't suggest to take drugs to experience yourself as a part-whole. You have the capacity to experience yourself as a part-whole without drugs, without — otherwise how can you be sure that, you know, you don't know, you know, yeah. So you experience yourself as a part-whole, each one of us can. You don't need a, you know, a big atom smasher, right? You know, you are now believing what a scientist is telling you by having used an instrument — multi-billion-dollar instruments to tell you what reality is. Now I'm telling you a deeper reality, the most profound reality, and you can find out by...

You got to want to know. You got to... I mean, the same way I wanted to know. I was unhappy about myself. I knew that I was responsible for my unhappiness because, as an entrepreneur, I found out that the buck stops there, right? So I have to accept that the good or bad of the company depends on me being in charge of the company that I started. So once I made that step, meaning I am responsible for most things or everything that happens in my life. Okay, I made that. Then when I found out that I was unhappy and I pretended to be happy, I said, well, I am responsible for that stuff. So now being responsible, I want to know, because how can I be responsible if I don't have the capacity to then find out? It would be a joke that the universe is playing on me. No, I trusted the universe not to, you know, to take me to a loop, right? I trusted it and I said, I want to know, and I got the experience. I didn't know. I'd never read anything like what I experienced. I could not even imagine that it would be possible to have that experience, right? [clears throat] So, but it came... the same can happen to you if you want.

I mean, that experience drove me to spend 20 years of my time, at 30, 40% of my time, to explore, to understand that experience. So that experience had the power to drive me to spend, you know, one-third of my time, more than one-third of my time, to find out about and understand that experience. And it took 20 years to arrive to the, you know, to the hypothesis that consciousness and free will must be foundational.

They [snorts] already knew. That response is that that is the same arrogant point of view of scientism that believes to know everything.

The spiritual version of it. Same stuff.