BuzzFeed, Mashable, all these companies had massive layoffs or went out of business. Google used to drive all the traffic to publishers and now it's driving a lot less because of AI. I was the second employee at Morning Brew. I spend two days of the week creating content and five days doing all of the admin work around my content. Now using Claude and the MCP, every night it scans every new subscriber who signed up. It knows who my ideal advertisers are, and where you can see as the content creator every bot that is indexing and scraping your content.
And I think that's the world that we are moving towards, Steph, and I think that that's a big step towards this new chapter of ownership and AI.
Hey everyone and welcome to a very special episode of the AI Download. We are coming to you from the LinkedIn studio at Cannes Lions in the south of France. And I'm your host, Sheryl Lazar. Joining me right now is someone I've come to love very dearly, a friend, a colleague now. We did the AI challenge together.
I'm like, I love, like we're like, let's get closer.
We did the Women's Day AI challenge, by the way. We signed up 12,000 plus women into this. Jenny, I don't even ever say your last name. I just call you Jenny.
I'm just, I'm just Jenny. I'm like Madonna.
Why don't you do a little intro?
All right. I'm Jenny Sockevich, VC, mom, AI creator, all the things, and soon to be co-conspirator with my dear Sheryl Lazar.
And this is a one-off episode, but we have a lot more to come that we'll be announcing. That said, we do have a very special guest because here at Cannes Lions, this is like the Super Bowl for advertising. Top leaders in marketing are here, and also celebrities, by the way, which we'll mention in a moment. But here today we have the founder and CEO of beehiiv, a top platform that you might know for newsletters. We're going to be finding out more, but Tyler Denk is with us.
Tyler Denk is the CEO and founder of beehiiv. He went from product at Google and Morning Brew to founding beehiiv, the platform that turned the newsletter into a full creator operating system, just crossed 30 million in ARR, on pace to double this year. So, let's get into it. Tyler, welcome to a very special episode of the AI Download. We're here at LinkedIn in this studio. And by the way, we got delayed because of the one and only Oprah.
So, you know, so you're like in the same energy as Oprah here right now.
It goes Oprah and then Tyler Denk, right?
One, two, whichever way you want to do it. Yeah, sure.
So, we are so excited to have you here because you're doing amazing stuff. I mean, basically one of the leading newsletter platforms in the world right now, and you built it very quickly.
Big caveat, you said we were one of the fastest growing newsletter platforms. I feel like that puts us in a pretty small pool. We're one of the fastest creator economy platforms. Let's put on our big boy pants here. We launched podcasts, we sell digital products, we have a website builder. We're paying out content creators and publishers over a million dollars a month through the ad network. So, very much a creator platform, not just a newsletter platform. Just for the record.
Thank you. I love that. That it's not even just a narrative, but that positioning is very important.
Well, so it's really kind of like the Trojan horse, right? Was the newsletter. So, tell us a little bit about how did you get started in newsletters? Why newsletters? And what is the biggest growth strategy you're seeing right now?
Yeah, so my background was I was the second employee at Morning Brew back in 2017. So, I built the internal infrastructure, I led growth, and I helped them scale from 100,000 subscribers to 4 million up until we got acquired by Business Insider in 2020. And so, through that experience, whether it was building the content creation tools for the writers or the ad management platform team for the sponsorship team, like the inner workings of how all of that worked, I became kind of like an expert in that. Around the same time, Substack launched around 2017. There's this newsletter wave, both VC-backed. You have independent journalists like Ben Thompson launching Stratechery. And so, there's this massive wave towards newsletters being cool and trendy. And then you have exits like Axios and Politico and Morning Brew, who are all newsletter-first media companies at a time where everyone's saying that media is dying and there's no business model there. And so, in taking, I guess, my expertise through my experience at Morning Brew, just saw like a huge opportunity. So, what really differentiated us when we launched wasn't that we were just building another software platform. It was we were building what we knew worked at Morning Brew. What got us from 100K to 4 million readers. And that's something I don't think any of the competition really has. And so, that's kind of how we've moved so quickly and know what to build.
Yeah, when I discovered beehiiv, what stood out to me was that, I mean, the promotion of it was that the Morning Brew part I knew. And also, I feel like you've always been a bit of like a creator founder. Can you share why that's important, and do you think that is a strategy that a lot of people are going to be taking on right now?
Totally. I mean, I actually would say that I wasn't always a creator founder. I even push back. I don't really like to consider myself much of a creator now. I do have a newsletter called Big Desk Energy that goes out every Tuesday to 130,000 founders. And my value there is that I think a lot of successful startup founders don't share the secrets of how they are scaling. They think if they know something, if their competition finds out, they lose their competitive advantage. And they always have these rose-colored glasses of like, 'Oh, entrepreneurship and startups are so like it just is what it is.' It's really hard. And so, I took a very transparent route to being able to share exactly what it's like to build a company from hiring to firing to strategies to fundraising to our week in Cannes. Like it's really just like my life as a founder fully transparent. From that, we've gotten such great goodwill from other founders who have followed the journey. And then a lot of our users also read my newsletter. And so, hearing directly from the founder in terms of what they're prioritizing, what their values are, what their roadmap looks like, I think buys a lot of trust for our users to say, 'I align with Tyler. I align with the way that he sees the creator economy.' There's a lot of creator economy companies that have a predatory take rate model. There's a lot of creator economies that sell people's data. Like we have never done that and we've been very transparent. And so I think in this world that we're evolving into with AI and everything else, the more that you can get that the classic buzzword, which is authenticity, but actually transparency and know who's the person behind the company. There's a lot of faceless brands out there that you have no affinity towards. And then there's a lot of people, which is the thesis of the creator economy, that you really align with their values and what they believe in. And so it's been a huge competitive advantage for us.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So it's really interesting that you've doubled down on newsletters, which are long form. I mean, that's as wonky as it gets. I remember my husband helped build The Athletic that sold to New York Times. At the time people said, 'Nobody's going to read long sports articles.' But it turns out $100 later, yeah, it turns out they do want to read that kind of thing. And so I'm interested in how you see the long form audience juxtaposed with the rise of short form everything. We have a diminishing attention span. So how do those two things interact as we think about the future of the creator economy?
Yeah, I mean, I think it's very symbiotic. I don't think there's like a one-size-fits-all for anything in the creator economy anymore. I think before there were video-only content creators who were only YouTuber or only TikTok. There were like newsletter-only content creators and then there was also podcasters. And now you see the most successful content creators do a little bit of everything. They're very active on YouTube. They have a podcast. They have a newsletter. Colin and Samir is an incredible example of that. Started with the YouTube, they had a podcast, they have a newsletter, now they're doing IRL events. And so what a successful creator looks like today in 2026 is some combination of short form, long form, and multiple different mediums. And I'd extend that even to the business models built around them. So it used to be, 'Hey, I only do subscription,' or 'I'm ad-based' or 'affiliate.' And now the best content creators, like we were with Oliver Darcy earlier, he's making more than a million dollars a year with subscriptions, probably making more than that in ads, and then he does IRL events as well. And so, you can kind of see a lot of that reflected in our roadmap as well. We started with newsletter, like I said at the beginning, we expanded into websites and then digital products and then podcasting. And so, you can see the evolution of our roadmap. It's growing with the creator economy and what it takes to serve these users.
So, last November we hosted something called the Winter Release Event, very original, and we launched 10 new products.
That was our initial transition from newsletter company to creator, what we call the operating system for the creator economy. And that's really what we are trying to build. The event was a huge success. We had tens of thousands of people tune in live. We got tons of press coverage and like it's really hard to capture a moment in this world where attention is so hard to gather. And as a small Series B company, we were able to garner a ton of attention for this one big event and like really make a splash in the creator economy. It actually led us, we did like a small strategic round of like $10 million over the winter that was like totally from inbound demand because people saw the vision of what we were building. So, like very opportunistic of us.
So, with just all that said and where we are right now and the fact that I feel like everyone gets that they need to have a newsletter. It's not just, 'Oh, I'm a newsletter creator.' Everyone needs one.
Yeah. I think that we want to know, and you do talk about this a lot, but like right now being at Cannes and here in 2026 and looking forward, how do people grow? Are we saturated at this point? Is it hard to break through?
I think it like no, I'm definitely not in the peak newsletter saturation camp. I think there will, like we're not at peak books, we're not at peak podcast, we're not at peak video. Like everyone loves to say that we're at peak email because I think there is this association with like podcasts are podcasts, it's a form of entertainment. Email, you're mixing newsletters and media that you want to consume with a laundry list of items that your co-workers are emailing you about and that together is email. And so I think it gets a worse reputation, but I think like long form is long form. It's a great medium. It's an open protocol that's been around for three decades. It's totally decentralized where a lot of these tech platforms, you're totally subject to the algorithm. And the classic story that I always use is when Facebook, like there was a time when people were getting likes on Facebook. Like I was like, like my page on Facebook.
It used to matter a lot. The thinking was if I had 100,000 likes on my Facebook page, I post content to Facebook and Facebook will reward me by showing 100,000 people my content. And they had all of these brands investing so much money into getting more likes on their Facebook page. And then in 2018, Zuckerberg and a few PMs were like actually we want to prioritize people connections and not brands and not publishers. And so BuzzFeed, Mashable, all of these companies had massive layoffs or went out of business. And the lesson from that is if you become overly dependent on a single channel for distribution, they can give and they can take away and those companies were totally flat-footed. Twitter deprioritized external links in 2022. Obviously, it's very well-known now with like the Google AI overview in 2024, traffic to publishers have cut 40 to 50%. And so again, Google used to drive all the traffic to publishers and now it's driving a lot less because of AI. And so like the common theme from all of that is you just can't be overly dependent on a single platform. Email really is the great counteract of like it's an open protocol. You can use Apple Mail. You can use a million different email clients because it's an open protocol, but you can also send on beehiiv. You can send on Mailchimp. You can send wherever and it's very portable. And I think more creators are waking up to what it means to actually have ownership. A lot of creators are used to having 10,000 followers and seeing the same type of content going from a lot of people are seeing it to not that many people are seeing it and you're totally helpless. So email is really like a great counterbalance to that.
This, I am obsessed with emails. I tell her we're doing more emails. Helping me get better.
I reach almost 100,000 people a week. I do three emails and...
Writing another one will be at the end of this.
Yeah, yeah, the AI Download newsletter. My personal email is about like 53% open rate and it's crazy how much people really, really want to hear from my POV. Just the unique lenses of who I am as a creator and what I've done in my life and my lived experience as a mom and etc. etc. I'm curious for those who haven't made an email list, for all the creators that are listening and they're so scared, what on earth am I going to write about in my newsletter? What is your pitch to them of why they should start a newsletter tomorrow?
Or even small businesses. Like I feel like everyone's becoming a creator these days, right?
That's the thing that we can do creator too, but we are seeing a lot of businesses that are trying to get more creative with marketing and content marketing where like we have a newsletter called Creator Spotlight that just covers the creator economy.
It's amazing. Yeah, it's great.
And so like the whole thinking is the people who want to read that newsletter, one, they're interested in the creator economy, they should also be our users. But rather than just serving them Google Ads and Meta Ads, we provide value by giving them content that they resonate with and then that gets them into our funnel. They understand, they see all these other creators building massive businesses on email and just so happens it's sponsored by beehiiv and like it's very easy to get them into our funnel. And a lot like Ramp has a newsletter on us. Brex has a newsletter on us. Calci has a newsletter on us. So all of these very sophisticated B2B and B2C brands are investing in content marketing. Your actual question is like for creators who are scared to jump in, one, obviously sign up to beehiiv, it's free. That is where I do think we're seeing a lot of this explosion of newsletters in general. When I was at Morning Brew it took me and four engineers five years to build what we had built, to connect all these different pieces. And we were able now at beehiiv to build all of that to get started for free. And it's all the capabilities we had. So one is just like getting started. I think perfection over progress is like where a lot of founders get caught up, right? Like you never want to get in the way. Like you just need to take your first step and start creating content. It's my job as the head of product at the company to make sure it's seamless and not confusing and intuitive for any sort of novice or early user to be able to get started. And then like what you write about, it's like another form of expression. Like what do you post about on Instagram? What do you spend time reading about or consuming? But you want to make sure that you enjoy it. And my other piece of advice is a lot of people, there are always like these copycats of 'I want to be Morning Brew for AI' or 'Morning Brew for crypto.' And Morning Brew is a 7-day-a-week newsletter.
Yeah, well and what you realize is it's an absolute grind. And so starting off with like once a week or even once a month just to get in the habit.